CNN poll: Majority support waterboarding terrorists, 50/46

posted at 8:47 pm on May 6, 2009 by Allahpundit

The latest reminder that the nutroots’ mindless anti-torture absolutism, in all circumstances and regardless of countervailing considerations, isn’t quite as “reality-based” as they wished. As intriguing as this result is, note how much higher the numbers are in opposition to investigating Bush officials.

Six in ten people questioned in a CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey released Wednesday believe that some of the procedures, such as water boarding, were a form of torture, with 36 percent disagreeing.

But half the public approves of the Bush administration’s decision to use of those techniques during the questioning of suspected terrorists, with 50 percent in approval and 46 percent opposed.

“Roughly one in five Americans believe those techniques were torture but nonetheless approve of the decision to use those procedures against suspected terrorists,” says CNN Polling Director Keating Holland. “That goes a long way toward explaining why a majority don’t want to see former Bush officials investigated.”

Fifty-seven percent of those questioned don’t want Congress to investigate Bush officials who authorized those harsh interrogation procedures, with 42 percent calling for action by lawmakers. Fifty-five percent also don’t want a similar investigation by an independent panel.

Like Karl says, interrogation investigations are a farce; fortunately, thanks to numbers like these, they’re not in the offing. One thing I can’t figure out, though: The left swears, up and down, that the ticking-bomb scenario conservatives always use when arguing this subject would never, ever, evah happen in real life. That may be true in the most literal sense — time bombs aren’t a favored weapon of jihadists — but counterterrorism agents typically wait as long as possible before swooping in to make arrests of suspected terrorists in order to gain as much incriminating evidence as they can. Why is it so hard to imagine the CIA discovering that terror cells are in motion to carry out a plot, intercepting a member on his way to the scene of the attack, and having to decide whether to rough him up to extract information that might disrupt the plan?

To illustrate just how confident the GOP is that this issue is a winner for them, here’s the latest ad from Senate Republicans — followed, just for good measure, by the DNC’s latest dig at the opposition. I think both are lame. The first one’s simply too far over the top thanks to the music, and the second one’s a clever concept without any ultimate point. How can it be that our parties’ message brain trusts have devolved this far? The Conservatives 4 Palin people are operating on a budget of near-zero dollars, I’d imagine, and even they’re more clever than this.


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right2bright on May 7, 2009 at 1:46 PM

AllahPundit…something wrong with this thread.
9:50 to 11:17 no posts, no an hour.
And I posted several times trying to get a post on, but it never showed.
It seems if there is a link, it gets kicked off.

right2bright on May 7, 2009 at 1:51 PM

It saved potentially thousands of lives.
What evidence do you have of this?
Tom_Shipley

Cheney claimed it.

Obama confirmed it.

DSchoen on May 7, 2009 at 3:23 PM

“Actually, we’ve prosecuted as torture as recently as 1983”

Jezzzzz Tom are you really this stupid?

“We prosecuted waterboarding as torture in WWII”

That’s your claim Tom. Please back it up with the names of folks that were prosecuted waterboarding and ONLY waterboarding DURING WW2?

“Actually, we’ve prosecuted as torture as recently as 1983”

Tom, dude, WW2 ended in 1945. Texas is not Japan or Germany, yes Hillary claims it’s another country but she, like her boss, is an idiot.

Fta

This generally included the placement of a towel over the nose and mouth of the prisoner and the pouring of water in the towel until the prisoner began to move, jerk, or otherwise indicate that he was suffocating and/or drowning.”

“That term is used to describe several interrogation techniques. The victim may be immersed in water, have water forced into the nose and mouth, or have water poured onto material placed over the face so that the liquid is inhaled or swallowed.

The media usually characterize the practice as “simulated drowning.” That’s incorrect. To be effective, waterboarding is usually real drowning that simulates death. That is,

the victim experiences the sensations of drowning: struggle, panic, breath-holding, swallowing, vomiting, taking water into the lungs and, eventually, the same feeling of not being able to breathe that one experiences after being punched in the gut.

The main difference is that the drowning process is halted.

According to those who have studied waterboarding’s effects, it can cause severe psychological trauma, such as panic attacks, for years.

Here’s the testimony of two Americans imprisoned by the Japanese:

They would lash me to a stretcher then prop me up against a table with my head down. They would then pour about two gallons of water from a pitcher into my nose and mouth until I lost consciousness.

And from the second prisoner: They laid me out on a stretcher and strapped me on. The stretcher was then stood on end with my head almost touching the floor and my feet in the air. . . . They then began pouring water over my face and at times it was almost impossible for me to breathe without sucking in water

Tom, dude, how much water can penetrate a clear plastic film?

If you guess NONE you are correct!

Notice in these examples YOU provided water is poured INTO the nose and mouth.

“We know that U.S. military tribunals and U.S. judges have examined certain types of water-based interrogation and found that they constituted torture.”

TRUE!

It also found certain types of water-based interrogation NOT to be Torture.

Specifically if no WATER gets into the breathing passage ways!

This is accomplished by using clear plastic wrap instead of a cloth or nothing blocking the water.

Tom, can you read?

DSchoen on May 7, 2009 at 4:02 PM

Tom,

The trial quoted third hand never happened, because Asano was the only Japanese officer ever tried for water torture.

Go search yahoo for his name and you will find out for yourself. You are quoting an author, quoting someone else about a trial that NEVER HAPPENED. That whole story is bunk, but of course you’re to dedicated to being a libturd to go look it up.

dogsoldier on May 8, 2009 at 7:05 AM

What started my research by the way was a desire to reinforce MCAmnesty’s claim about that. What I found was shocking. All the claims about prosecuting torturers was bullshit.

I also learned that we are the only ones observing geneva in stand up tradition wars. None of our uniformed enemies ever observed it. Some just ignored it more fully than others.

So that whole notion about not torturing to protect OUR guys is a lot of crap.

dogsoldier on May 8, 2009 at 7:10 AM

Photostats of all the charge sheets, summaries and motion pictures of ALL THE TRIALS are at Berkley. They have been exhaustively searched. Here is the summary for Asano:

http://socrates.berkeley.edu/~warcrime/Japan/Yokohama/Reviews/Yokohama_Review_Asano.htm

If a movie isn’t enough proof, you really are a loser. Anyway, he is the only one charged with water torture out of all the Japanese soldier tried.

dogsoldier on May 8, 2009 at 1:32 PM