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The obligatory “Michael Savage banned from Britain” post

posted at 9:30 pm on May 5, 2009 by Allahpundit
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When I first saw the story this morning, I thought they’d turned him away at the gate at Heathrow like they did to Geert Wilders. Nope: He never tried to travel there. Evidently the British government simply cooked up a list of notorious figures abroad whom they have a problem with and put it out as a heads up to them not to come knocking. Simply bizarre, and needless to say, a blockbuster publicity coup for Savage. Good work, Gordon Brown.

“I think it’s important that people understand the sorts of values and sorts of standards that we have here, the fact that it’s a privilege to come and the sort of things that mean you won’t be welcome in this country,” [Home Secretary Jacqui] Smith told GMTV.

“Coming to this country is a privilege. If you can’t live by the rules that we live by, the standards and the values that we live by, we should exclude you from this country and, what’s more, now we will make public those people that we have excluded…

“[Savage] is someone who has fallen into the category of fomenting hatred, of such extreme views and expressing them in such a way that it is actually likely to cause inter-community tension or even violence if that person were allowed into the country,” Ms Smith told BBC Breakfast.

Also on the list: Jihadists, neo-Nazis, that child-killing savage from Hezbollah for whom Al Jazeera threw a birthday party last year, and, oh yeah, Fred Phelps. I’ve never listened to Savage so I’ll rely on our commenters to judge, but as intense as his invective may be, is he really in this category? Is Phelps, for that matter? Fomenting “hatred” isn’t the same as fomenting violence — which would be reasonable grounds for exclusion — unless the Brits are afraid that violence might be directed at, not by, Savage or Phelps. That was their reasoning in excluding Wilders, after all: They didn’t fear that he’d incite an anti-Muslim riot, they feared he’d incite an anti-Wilders riot by Muslims. Maybe that’s their thinking with Savage too, in which case they’re basically admitting that the country’s no longer safe for certain viewpoints — Islamic fundamentalism not included.

Anyway, one publicity-stirring lawsuit, coming up:

Savage told The Chronicle that being included in such a crowd is no laughing matter — and he is now preparing legal action against Smith, he said.

“This lunatic … is linking me up with Nazi skinheads who are killing people in Russia, she’s putting me in a league with Hamas murderers who kill Jews on busses,” he said. “I have never advocated violence … I’ve been on the air 15 years. My views may be inflammatory, but they’re not violent in any way.”

He said he has been defamed and endangered by the British government action. “She has painted a target on my back, linking me with people who are in prison for killing people,” he said. “Does she not think people might hunt me down?”

Savage said he has had no contact with the British government or with Smith’s office and has no idea how he ended up on the British Home secretary’s list.

Good point: His profile’s much higher now among violent nuts abroad than it was yesterday. Exit question: What’s really going on here? Why strain so mightily to make an example of him? Did they add him to the list simply as convenient political cover, to prove to British Muslims that famous “Islamophobes” aren’t welcome in the UK either?


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He loves … Metallica.

Am I evil?
Yes I am.

Dash on May 6, 2009 at 7:16 AM

I wish him luck with his suit.

Coming to this country is a privilege. If you can’t live by the rules that we live by, the standards and the values that we live by

This guy is a lying sack of shiite. How many hate filled violent muslims have they imported to the UK, who openly preach death to britain and the US EVERY FREAKIN DAY?

How much more insanity will people endure before they rise up?

Things like this turn my stomach.

dogsoldier on May 6, 2009 at 7:19 AM

People who don’t want to hear the cold hard truth because it hurts probably punch out their dentist while getting a root canal.

Gordon Brown is a cowardly changeling.

Barrack on May 6, 2009 at 7:21 AM

Savage has no problem saying the U.S. has the right to control its borders and deny entry to anyone it chooses for whatever reason.

Sovereignty for me but not for thee.

He can always take it up with the World Court…

sanguine4 on May 6, 2009 at 7:23 AM

Some have suggested the White House is behind this. I don’t know one way or the other but the very suggestion is made gives one pause.

diogenes on May 6, 2009 at 7:41 AM

Whoever first said (or repeated it) “There will always be an England” was an idiot.

Sergeant Tim on May 6, 2009 at 7:41 AM

We are all Stalinists now.

petefrt on May 6, 2009 at 7:46 AM

Go Savage

Screw Parliament

blatantblue on May 6, 2009 at 8:02 AM

sanguine4 on May 6, 2009 at 7:23 AM

I am not a fan of Savage’s, but to say his stance on illegal immigration is the same as him visiting England legally is wrong.

momof2 on May 6, 2009 at 8:07 AM

This is beyond ridiculous. 1984 is present day formerly great britain. Fox News is also involved. They black balled Savage. Even mentioning Michael Savage’s name will get you excommunicated from Fox. The fake catholics on Fox are pro homosexual and pro infanticide. Oreilly is behind Fox’s fascism. Little matter. Glenn Beck will replace Oreilly. Oreilly interviews like Larry King.

Jerricho68 on May 6, 2009 at 8:15 AM

I think the lib Brits are using the same strategy the Dems have here: when their politics are failing, attack/degrade a conservative talk show host. Apparently the Brits don’t have their own conservative talking heads, so they pointed their intercontinental ballistic invective at Savage. I’m sure the White House is pleased … if not somehow involved. Well, they are involved … they showed them how it’s done.

Monkeybrains220 on May 6, 2009 at 8:18 AM

I only listen to Savage in small doses. He can be unbearable at times. And I don’t even know why he takes calls from listeners since he berates half of them and talks over the rest.

But he’s not promoting hate. He may raise his voice and sound enraged most of the time, but it’s only because he loves America and democracy and sees what’s happening to our country.

What’s truly frightening is that we’re only one step behind the Brits. Rush has already been targeted by Obama and Emanuel and the DHS has labeled anyone with a conservative viewpoint(including returning veterans) as potential right-wing extremists.

Doughboy on May 6, 2009 at 8:30 AM

I love Savage’s stories about calamari. I’m sorry but I do.

I like hearing stories about his mom, and hearing old clips of hear appearing on the show, talking about how no sex leads to longevity, and all the laughing included.

I like hearing “Blue Monday” every monday, and the latin music, and the Rammstein metal, and hearing interviews with interesting people. I like hearing Brigette Gabriel’s reports on his show, or hearing about Teddy the dog. The only people who say its just a hate show seriously either,
1) never listen
2) or when they do, listen for about 2 minutes.

blatantblue on May 6, 2009 at 8:37 AM

clips of hear her appearing on the show

blatantblue on May 6, 2009 at 8:39 AM

I would agree with Great Britain if they were to deny a request for a visa to Fred Phelps. He leaves his compound at his own risk. I am BY NO MEANS advocating any action or suggesting any foreknowledge of violence here. Having said that, I think Fred Phelps would be at similar risk traveling to NYC or to London, and London has an advantage in that it can keep him from coming. A government has an obligation to keep crime inside its jurisdiction down, and extending an invitation to Phelps would be extending an invitation for crime to occur.

People the world over know about Fred Phelps. Did the average Briton know about Michael Savage before yesterday, though?

Another question. Is Howard Stern on the same exclusion list? If he’s not, his omission would suggest discrimination against conservatives.

flutejpl on May 6, 2009 at 8:40 AM

gotta take the good with the bad. he is who he is, and he makes no apologies for it.

thats sincerity (some will call it insanity), and I appreciate it. i’ll take savage anyday over

Sean -new york obama times, turbo tax cheat tim geithner, corny-phrase overkill- Hannity

blatantblue on May 6, 2009 at 8:40 AM

So who exactly won WWII? Are we going to start burning books next? Interesting how thin that line is.

reflexx on May 6, 2009 at 8:53 AM

So who exactly won WWII? Are we going to start burning books next? Interesting how thin that line is.

reflexx on May 6, 2009 at 8:58 AM

So who exactly won WWII? Are we going to start burning books next? Interesting how thin that line is.

reflexx on May 6, 2009 at 8:58 AM

Savage has no problem saying the U.S. has the right to control its borders

sanguine4 on May 6, 2009 at 7:23 AM

So, you are OK with illegal immigration.

Johan Klaus on May 6, 2009 at 9:18 AM

Savage’s views are actually pretty mild, just truthfull. Sometimes the truth is an ugly thing, nevertheless, it should not be ignored.

The world is full of wussies and cry babies moaning about being offended. Cowboy up Brits lest you all be wearing scraggly beards and burquas.

Alden Pyle on May 6, 2009 at 9:25 AM

The fascist left is really scary.

ExTex on May 6, 2009 at 9:44 AM

Michael Savage is a man’s man.

maverick muse on May 6, 2009 at 9:57 AM

Michael Savage is a man’s man.

maverick muse on May 6, 2009 at 9:57 AM

Michael Savage is a man’s man.

maverick muse on May 6, 2009 at 9:58 AM

Metrosexuals and PC weenies just don’t get it.
Respect your elders.

Savage is not my favorite radio personality.
But I admire him for being true to himself and to America.


Michael Savage Is

A Scientist.

A Staunch Defender of the US Constitution.

Impatient, having already paid his dues, not willing to forfeit liberty. Cross when crossed, cranky & cantankerous but perceptive, intelligent, well educated and very well read old man with a voice and venue to broadcast. He has a good sense of humor so long as he senses justice. If you stab him in the back, he’s not going quietly into the night.

Law abiding and respectful of traditions.
Stands on US Constitutional principles.
Supports the legal and moral defense of falsely accused victims wearing our nation’s uniforms being hounded by abusive prosecutors and PC vendettas.

Savage holds very strong opinions, though politically incorrect, that are based rather upon his own scholarly research, studies, historical and contemporary observations.

He has an insatiable curiosity for knowledge.
THAT THREATENS MARXISTS.

When he tears past the decibel comfort zone, exercise your own freedom to hear something else. But let him tear into the opposition as they deserve their own medicine. Although he goes to the extreme when angry, he NEVER goes further than his opponent.


What are you prepared to do?

And then what are you prepared to do?
Confronted against The Chicago Way,
you must be willing to go all the way.

maverick muse on May 6, 2009 at 10:02 AM

/3rd time’s the charm

maverick muse on May 6, 2009 at 10:04 AM

The thing with Savage is he respects old-school Dems. His father was one and he was one up to about 20 something years ago.
Most people don’t like his show since you catch him on a off day or when he’s ‘ranting’. I was one of those people for the longest time till I started listening to his show and how brilliant and patriotic he is. This is not to say I agree with him on every issue but he usually nails it right on the head with things I do agree with and things I don’t agree with him on he makes a compelling argument. He also holds multiple PhDs.
Now even after all that, you have to respect the fact that nothing he has said encourages people to be violent. He may ask people to protest or lobby against something but he never encourages them to do violence.
I wouldn’t be surprised if CAIR and/or our gov’t had a hand in this.

scrubbiedude on May 6, 2009 at 10:06 AM

sanguine4 on May 6, 2009 at 7:23 AM

Don’t cast your own misperceptions as another’s dogma.

You’re a punk who puts your own shaded words into another’s mouth. Like Thought Police Jaqui Smith, you probably don’t even listen to Savage or you’d know how wrong you are. Have you read any of his published works? So if not ignorant, you’re a liar. Either way, you’re wrong.

maverick muse on May 6, 2009 at 10:10 AM

Someone may have already made this point, but perhaps the Brits were simply following the suggestion of our own Department of Homeland Security – Savage is a right wing extremist!!!

DWSC on May 6, 2009 at 10:12 AM

scrubbiedude on May 6, 2009 at 10:06 AM

He attacks the MSM.
His outbursts get headlines.
Headlines are crafted by his opponents.
He attacks the MSM…

maverick muse on May 6, 2009 at 10:13 AM

I hope UK enjoys their sharia.

It’s coming sooner than they think.

How truly pathetic this whole story is…

A badge of honor for Dr. Mike.

Borislav on May 6, 2009 at 10:13 AM

Alden Pyle on May 6, 2009 at 9:25 AM

The Brits scapegoat Savage in order to retaliate vs. Obama’s snubs; two birds with one stone.

maverick muse on May 6, 2009 at 10:15 AM

I heard a local radio host interview Sam Donaldson this morning. The a-hole could not bring himself to defend Savage. He gave the meme that it is their country blaw blaw blah. I guess it’s okay for everybody to ban anybody exepct the US. We aren’t even allowed to ban illegal immigrants from entering out country illegally. One of the gripes against Savage is that he said people should burn Mexican flags in retaliation for Mexicans burning American flags because he was against immigration. As always, they they omit that he and most people oppose ILLEGAL immigration.

Blake on May 6, 2009 at 10:39 AM

expressing them in such a way that it is actually likely to cause inter-community tension or even violence

WTF? “Inter-community” tension and maybe even some violence? That sounds like any one of the Imams in Britain at any given time. What BS!

Big John on May 6, 2009 at 10:42 AM

i love savage!

Ghoul aid on May 6, 2009 at 11:16 AM

Shock jock and others on UK ban list did not seek entry

Mystery surrounds compilation of list banning 16 people from UK as it emerges that majority had not sought entry to the country

* I’ll sue for defamation, says banned US shock-jock

* w/video

Two of the 16 people named by Jacqui Smith as excluded from Britain are in prison in Russia where they are serving 20-year sentences.

The disclosure came as a US talk-show host said that he would sue the Government for defamation after being placed on the list.

Michael Weiner, also known as Michael Savage, a shock-jock broadcaster in America, has described the Koran as “a book of hate” and questioned the validity of autism. He told his radio audience in the US that he intended to sue Jacqui Smith, the Home Secretary, who he described as the “lunatic… Home Secretary of England”.

He said: “To link me up with skinheads who are killing people in Russia, to put me in league with Hamas murderers who kill people on buses is defamation.”

In an article posted on his website, he said that he did not advocate violence but traditional values.

He wrote: “What does that say about the government of England? It says more about them than it says about me.”

A leading media lawyer said today that lawyers would be “falling over themselves” to offer their services.

Mark Stephens, of the London law firm Finers Stephens Innocent, said: “He would seem to have a very good case. The people on the list who have been banned are supposed to be advocating extreme violence and so to put him into that category is clearly defamatory.

“His views, such as those on homosexuals, may be offensive but that is another thing entirely. The Home Secretary appears not to have appreciated the difference between tolerance and defamation.”

Mr Stephens added that he thought that Mr Weiner could hope to obtain about £200,000 in damages, adding that this should be paid by the Home Secretary personally, not by the Government.

Among others on the list are the Hamas MP Yunis al-Astal and the Jewish extremist Mike Guzovsky, two leaders of a violent Russian skinhead gang, the ex-Ku Klux Klan Grand Wizard Stephen “Don” Black and the neo-Nazi Erich Gliebe.

The Home Office admitted that people placed on the “banned” list had not necessarily intended or sought to come to Britain.

A spokesman said that Jacqui Smith placed people on the list after receiving submissions from officials.

Staff across Whitehall, including the intelligence services, are apparently gathering information about individuals around the world who could be included on the list even though they do not know whether the person intends to travel to Britain.

Between August 2005 and the end of March this year, 101 people were excluded from the UK for having engaged in unacceptable behaviour. A total of 22 were excluded between October 2008 and March 31, including the 16 named by the Home Secretary. The remaining six are not being named for security reasons, according to the Home Office.

Britain has been able to ban people who promote hatred, terrorist violence or serious criminal activity since 2005, but the list was made public for the first time only this week.

Chris Huhne, Liberal Democrat home affairs spokesman, said: “Blacklisting people without consideration of why and when they want to enter the country merely risks turning them into martyrs for their cause.

“It would be more appropriate to consider each case when it arises to assess whether British law is likely to be broken if the individual is admitted.”

heroyalwhyness on May 6, 2009 at 11:24 AM

I hope UK enjoys their sharia.

It’s coming sooner than they think.

How truly pathetic this whole story is…

A badge of honor for Dr. Mike.

Borislav on May 6, 2009 at 10:13 AM

Agreed. They are extremely close to it…and they seem to pander exponentially, to Islamics, and their whims.

UK, may you be happy with the path you have chosen for yourself.

capejasmine on May 6, 2009 at 11:30 AM

Michael Savage is a beast! He is the man that coined the phrase islamofascism. He calls a spade a spade. He has called the Obama administration for what it is, neo-marxist. He was right on immigration, right on Dubai ports, right about Bush, right about CAIR, right about Palin, right about Obama. He is strong medicine, but medicine that after it goes down does the job. Instead of banning Savage they need to bring him into Britain, because its clear that Britain has already lost its soul. A shame, the country that gave us Churchill and Lady Thatcher has come to this sad state! If I am Savage I would go on every program and do so live. With him, its easy to take his words out of context because he doesn’t mince them. This is his shot to take his show to the top literally because he is real and unabashed about his love for this country and his disgust with liberalism, which as he says is a mental disorder. Love Savage!

milemarker2020 on May 6, 2009 at 11:42 AM

we should just ban jaqui smith

thedude on May 6, 2009 at 11:47 AM

How does one go about getting on this list?

Vashta.Nerada on May 6, 2009 at 12:09 PM

I think when AllahPundit says something is “obligatory,” it’s a signal that he doesn’t like the person it’s about.

Alana on May 6, 2009 at 12:11 PM

in which case they’re basically admitting that the country’s no longer safe for certain viewpoints — Islamic fundamentalism not included.

Yep, Europe is finished and France and the United Kingdom will be the first to fall to fascist Islam…RIP UK, France not so much!

Liberty or Death on May 6, 2009 at 12:19 PM

We like Savage. We do not listen to him daily, but we like him.

Sounds like OUR DHS sent some of their members over to Britain.

Dear cousins, get a grip on your nation! You guys are better than this! This infestation of sharia law, and fear of their Muslim population is heart breaking when you think about it in context of Margaret Thatcher, Churchill and the entire former British Empire. From Edward I to Elizabeth, no British ruler would have ever allowed their peoples to cave like this. Never! For heavens sake Brits, you kicked the world’s asses, and that would include murderous Muslims trying to wipe out Christianity. It was called the Crusades! Stand up Brits and take back your country! This is incredibly painful to watch Great Britain capitulate to a group of people that has bombed London and Scotland and killed their own citizens. Clue to us, if it can happen there, it can happen HERE. And it looks like it is.

freeus on May 6, 2009 at 12:28 PM

Stand up Brits and take back your country! This is incredibly painful to watch Great Britain capitulate to a group of people that has bombed London and Scotland and killed their own citizens. Clue to us, if it can happen there, it can happen HERE. And it looks like it is.

freeus on May 6, 2009 at 12:28 PM

Exactly!!! The wheels on this happening here, are already in motion. So now people need to decide. Are we going to just lie down, and take this, or stand up, and fight for what our country stands for?

capejasmine on May 6, 2009 at 12:39 PM

No great loss for Mr Savage. Who would want to visit an England filled with Muslim extremists, sharia law, and a “feel good” government that hasn’t the backbone to stand up to the radicals? And, at the expense of their own security! A once proud nation reduced to a third world country.

hopefloats on May 6, 2009 at 1:07 PM

Savage is a true independent minded, America first, kind of guy. I enjoy his take on issues because he often presents a point of view i havent heard all day after listening to Beck, Rush, and Hannity echo simmilar sentiments.

He can be out there sometimes and i know Mark Levin hates him (and Mark Levin is absolutely my fav) but i think he is worth a listen and most importantly….

To put him on a list of terrorists and murderers is not only absurd but a slap in the face to anyone who believes that free speech is an important right. He has never committed a crime or said anything inspiring violence. He is outspoken about the open border policy and the fact that opponents have tried to make this point of view hate speech should frighten us all.

Overall, he is the perfect person to lead the charge for free speech. He is fiery enough to take the fight to the enemy and could never be called a Republican party shill. Some have criticized his showmanship at times, but he is an entertainer first and his audience obviously accepts him for who is is….

If nothing else, you can tell he loves America and wants it to be the great country he grew up in……can anyone fault him for that…

alecj on May 6, 2009 at 1:14 PM

Savage is just not a good talk show host. He’s capricious and unpredictable and both in the worst possible way. He comes off as a jerk with very little to redeem him, and his commentary morphs and sways from day to day; you just never know what his opinion will be on any particular topic, or even if his opinion will stay constant. I don’t like him.

However, this is atrocious and smacks of political persecution.

spmat on May 6, 2009 at 1:53 PM

Savage & I have a lot in common-
we aren’t afraid to speak our mind nor the truth & we get in trouble for it.
And it still doesn’t stop us.
Standing up for what is right is always the hardest thing to do.
That’s why people never do it.
And I am sure this has something to do with the Muslims in England. Bcs of Savage’s views on Islam, I am sure they’re hell bent on silencing their rabid critics.

Badger40 on May 6, 2009 at 2:36 PM

Churchill read Mein Kampf and began calling a Hitler a madman and predicting that he would start a world war. The BBC banned him from broadcasts.

InterestedObserver on May 6, 2009 at 2:41 PM


Patriot Act Abused by Obama

White Christian Home Schooled Teen in prison, persona non grata, charged with being a rightwing radical.

A North Carolina single parent Christian home schooled teen was charged with having made a bomb threat from an internet account at home. The FBI searched the home, bound and arrested him, sent him to a juvenile prison in South Bend Ill, and the federal judge put a gag order on his case so that no details are available, except that there were no bomb making materials found in the home, and the mother said that the internet address had been hijacked. The boys mother is denied access. She’s asked her legislators for help, but is told that there is nothing she can do.

This is the sort of case that Michael Savage will undertake to find out all of the details. And given no guilty evidence to support the FBI arrest, Savage will likely give the teen the benefit of the doubt until an independent investigation occurs, or the Feds produce their evidence proving their arrest is in order.

maverick muse on May 6, 2009 at 3:12 PM

Churchill read Mein Kampf and began calling a Hitler a madman and predicting that he would start a world war. The BBC banned him from broadcasts.

“All was there—the programme of German resurrection, the technique of party propaganda; the plan for combating Marxism; the concept of a National-Socialist State; the rightful position of Germany at the summit ofthe world. Here was the new Koran of faith and war: turgid, verbose, shapeless, but pregnant with its message.” -Winston Churchill

I think that’s pretty relative to your point and the point Dr Savage is making. :p

scrubbiedude on May 6, 2009 at 3:14 PM

InterestedObserver on May 6, 2009 at 2:41 PM

I caught a Savage hour a year ago when he was reminding everyone of how great a leader Winston Churchill was. There was no ranting. There were a lot of historical events and relationships being addressed.

maverick muse on May 6, 2009 at 3:16 PM

Badger40 on May 6, 2009 at 2:36 PM

Laura Ingraham this morning was defending Savage with a guest. Their point was that for all of the political differences and arguments between Savage and CAIR, it is CAIR that is standing up for Savage’s freedom of expression, not the ACLU.

Rush Limbaugh also noted the Muslim professor, head of Islamic studies as a prestigious university, statement that Obama’s biggest headache is not Limbaugh or radio talk show hosts, but the Taliban and Pakistan today.

On Sunday I was reading a British post interviewing a moderate Muslim cleric in London (educated and fashioned Occidental, not fundamental Sharian) who espoused the need for his fellow Muslims to live amongst those of other faiths as equals on the earth. (It may have been a link from Instapundit, or Gateway Pundit if not Drudge.)

It is VERY good of rational Muslims to stand up for what unites people who love liberty. Give credit where credit is due.

maverick muse on May 6, 2009 at 3:27 PM

Savage is just not a good talk show host.

Yep, that is why his show which is not in a good time slot is the third most listened to talk show in the USA.

Get a clue pal.

Borislav on May 6, 2009 at 3:45 PM

<–taking up a collection to send this hag a case of D batteries

PatriotPete on May 6, 2009 at 3:46 PM

I am not a Michael Savage fan, not having listened to him that often, but this is horrible. I have to wonder if this is not a test run, picking some unpopular individuals, to see what the reaction will be, before labeling others undesirable. I would not be surprised to see these same people, if they have not been already, added to lists by the Obama administration, as potential threats. Since the UK has added them.

coyoterex on May 6, 2009 at 4:14 PM

The entire world has gone stark raving mad. Nothing makes sense anymore.

petunia on May 6, 2009 at 4:38 PM

Laura Ingraham this morning was defending Savage with a guest. Their point was that for all of the political differences and arguments between Savage and CAIR, it is CAIR that is standing up for Savage’s freedom of expression, not the ACLU.

maverick muse on May 6, 2009 at 3:27 PM

I would think it would be fine for the ACLU to stay out of it. Dont forget that the first letter in ACLU stands for American, and this isnt an issue of American Civil Liberties.

That said, the ACLU has indeed spoken out against the treatment of Savage:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1177428/U-S-shock-jock-banned-Jacqui-Smiths-latest-disaster-Banned-U-S-shock-jock-tried-visit-Britain–hes-suing.html

orange on May 6, 2009 at 4:41 PM

I love Dr. Savage. He’s not afraid to speak his mind and isn’t a mouthpiece for the Republican Party. A True conservative.

RightXBrigade on May 6, 2009 at 4:54 PM

I think what happened here is:
1. The Home Sec wanted to exclude islamocrazies
2. But she wanted to appear balanced and evenhanded, so as not to be seen as biased against muslims (especially amongst the large UK muslim population)
3. So she picked a few wacky people who are “the opposite of islam”

Now, I find Savage an utterly despicable man.

But this action by Jacqui Smith is moral cowardice of the worst kind. It’s appeasement, pure and simple. She’s equating politically incorrect speech to incitements to murder.

The truth is: the UK has a very dangerous enemy. As evidenced by the repeated bombings, it’s islamocrazies. Not all muslims. Just – all muslims who declare an intent to cause physical harm to UK citizens, UK interests, or UK allies. The evidence suggests that there’s quite a few of the latter, and that they’re very active.

Normally, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Savage would, whatever else you might say about him, certainly qualify as anti-islamocrazy. But Smith lacks the courage to declare: “Muslim extremists are our enemy. They incite the killing of our people, and sometimes they follow through. They can’t come here.” Instead, she plays the moral equivalency game, wherein Savage becomes equivalent to the bombers because, like them, his speech is offensive.

If Savage has called for the murder of British citizens, of any religion, there is a clear case for excluding him. If he hasn’t, and it’s my impression that he hasn’t, it’s a disgrace to treat him in the same manner as those who’ve quite definitely have made such a call.

dick on May 6, 2009 at 4:58 PM

expressing them in such a way that it is actually likely to cause inter-community tension or even violence

WTF? “Inter-community” tension and maybe even some violence? That sounds like any one of the Imams in Britain at any given time. What BS!

Big John on May 6, 2009 at 10:42 AM

That was the same choice of words from the “official leak” regarding the Yellow Sea China Navy confrontation with the US unarmed naval ships in international waters conducting tests of the ocean floor and contours and ability to detect Chinese submarines in open waters. /Ed’s other thread

maverick muse on May 6, 2009 at 5:24 PM

capejasmine on May 6, 2009 at 11:30 AM

The British certainly are being offensive to Americans who aren’t Socialist pigs.

maverick muse on May 6, 2009 at 5:25 PM

How does one go about getting on this list?

Vashta.Nerada on May 6, 2009 at 12:09 PM

Being a real mensch.

Ms.Smith fits the FemiNazi mold, politically, culturally, socially and personally.

maverick muse on May 6, 2009 at 5:28 PM

Alana on May 6, 2009 at 12:11 PM

He and the boss eschew the politically incorrect. In order to remain pure in the scene of the open minded, they burn anyone more conservative than they are.

He eschews anything older than he is. He is a progressive devotee, and an imp with traditions which do not apply to him.

However, Savage was and still is supportive of Mitt Romney. Hence, a thread in common with them.

So though they despise Savage (feigning ignorance), the permit reader comments because THAT is within their comfort zone. Collecting HotAir comments also gives them the weather signal, whether or not to do any more than observe from a distance.

True enough, Savage loves to dish out nicknames and irritate fair weather friends. But he also acknowledges his own idiosyncrasies. Suffice it to say, he’s a pain in the ass to fake people.

maverick muse on May 6, 2009 at 5:40 PM

I think when AllahPundit says something is “obligatory,” it’s a signal that he doesn’t like the person it’s about.

Alana on May 6, 2009 at 12:11 PM

OT, love the name. Gave my oldest that name, but with double the n.

coyoterex on May 6, 2009 at 5:51 PM

Rush is Rush. Hannity is talented, but boringly predictable. Savage’s intelligence, education and insight put him in a league all his own. He’s more of an activist than Limbaugh or Hannity. He put’s his money where his mouth is. He took on CAIR, and as a result, has been blackballed by every Muslim group in the world. This is why he’s not welcome by government in Londonistan. Europe is lost at sea spiritually, culturally and morally. This is just another symptom of their decline.
I love you Michael. Keep it up.

labrat on May 6, 2009 at 6:40 PM

I think when AllahPundit says something is “obligatory,” it’s a signal that he doesn’t like the person it’s about.

Alana on May 6, 2009 at 12:11 PM

AP seems to have a number of “tells”. Don’t ever pass up a chance to play poker with him. You would probably take every cent he walked into the game with.

MB4 on May 6, 2009 at 6:53 PM

I would think that if England bans Savage they would ban Levin. He “goes off” a lot more than I have ever heard from Savage and he never seems to say anything in anything other than a holler.

MB4 on May 6, 2009 at 6:57 PM

MB4 on May 6, 2009 at 6:53 PM

Are those ‘obligatory’ tells? ;)

Ugly on May 6, 2009 at 7:00 PM

I used to listen to Dr. Savage every day, but I don’t get to much anymore because I’m already home by the time his show comes on in Houston. I really enjoyed his show, but sometimes he scared the crap out of me. I think I could handle it a little better today after listening to Glenn Beck on a daily basis. Sometimes it’s hard listening to unpleasant things, but it’s reality.

I did happen to catch Dr. Savage about three weeks ago and he was apoplectic over the police officers’ murders in Oakland. His rant brought me to tears. Agree with him or don’t agree with him, but he’s not a hater or anyone who should be feared. Obama- that’s another story.

alwaysright43 on May 6, 2009 at 7:29 PM

I have heard Dr. Savage off and on. Every time I hear him I cringe because he is telling like it is – the truth. He said it like it was for President Bush as well.

Decency will win. He will prevail.

OneConservative on May 6, 2009 at 7:45 PM

He should be able to enter the country–People can’t be illegal!. Where are the libs on this? People aren’t illegal. Come on people. Chant-post with me. People aren’t illegal. People aren’t illegal. …

Axeman on May 6, 2009 at 9:10 PM

I think when AllahPundit says something is “obligatory,” it’s a signal that he doesn’t like the person it’s about.
Alana on May 6, 2009 at 12:11 PM

Give the dude credit for posting this thread. I was dreading an obligatory non-existence thread. AP gave a +100 to the credibility of Hot Air.

Feedie on May 6, 2009 at 9:22 PM

I love Dr. Savage. He is a highly Educated Man, with several Degrees. His Education and his knowledge is real and he can back that up. He has courage to take on CAIR, although he had to back out. I feel his life was in danger. But he did win against paying their Legal Fees. He also filed a suit on our so called Head of Home Land Security, as well as another one to protect Freedom of Speech. All the Years I listened to him, he has always proved to be right on the nose. He can be cruel but that is the point of how he makes one think. Yes he rants but his rants are a pattern on how he can make you think. I have listened to him for so many years. I hope to listen to him for many more years. Also, I love his New York accent and he is very classy as well.

sheebe on May 7, 2009 at 1:10 AM

Well, one thing this does is put the lie to the idea that Fox News is some kind of conservative cable station. They did not even mention this because Orielly, even though he regularly has the racist hatemonger Al Sharpton on his show, will not have Savage on. Fox News also went “MSNBC” on their coverage of Israel, regurgitating the “Netanyahu” is a hard line guy …… Israel is the problem crap.

georgealbert on May 7, 2009 at 5:01 AM

Maybe they got his name off a DHS list?

davod on May 7, 2009 at 7:58 AM

I think when AllahPundit says something is “obligatory,” it’s a signal that he doesn’t like the person it’s about.

Alana on May 6, 2009 at 12:11 PM

He’s been called on this before. His mealy mouth excuse is that when he gets so many emails asking him to post a story it is then “obligatory.” It’s bad enough that he is condescending to HA readers, but on top of it he insults everyone’s intelligence with this made up excuse.

Blake on May 7, 2009 at 8:54 AM

Is this their revenge for us not allowing Amy Winehouse to come here for the Grammy awards ?????

LODGE4 on May 7, 2009 at 10:58 AM

Dr Savage’s been playing the Kinks-Living on a thin line for the past couple days. It’s pretty funny stuff.

scrubbiedude on May 7, 2009 at 11:20 AM

Banning someone from entering the country is different fom censoring speech of those residing within the country.

We have every right to refuse entry to our country. The U.K doesn’t follow the U.S consitution, your first ammendment right ’s does not travel with you.

You are foreign to us. We do have legislation prohibiting incitement to hatred of various kinds.
It has to cover a wide spectrum to be effective.

You, as a citizen of one sovereign state,cannot claim that your first amendment rights gives you the ability to enter another country at will,regardless of why they decided to do so.

Anyway ,for years the U.S granted visa’s to I.R.A/Sinn Fein
members to fund raise against the wishes of our government and citizens.

mags on May 7, 2009 at 11:26 AM

We have every right to refuse entry to our country. The U.K doesn’t follow the U.S consitution, your first ammendment right ’s does not travel with you.

He’s not suing because of America’s free speech. The was un perturbed that he was banned. Then he found out who else was on the list. That’s when he decided to sue. There are anti-defamation laws that Dr Savage is suing under. He’s already getting great responses from anti-defamation lawyers in England.

scrubbiedude on May 7, 2009 at 11:56 AM

You are foreign to us. We do have legislation prohibiting incitement to hatred of various kinds.
It has to cover a wide spectrum to be effective.

Oh and he never ever tried to incite violence which is what the law includes. And it’s bit hypocritical when you listen to some of the Muslim immigrant protesters in England.

scrubbiedude on May 7, 2009 at 11:58 AM

This just in:

“MILLIONS OF HATEMONGERS ABROAD SUDDENLY TUNE INTO MICHAEL SAVAGE, MINUTES LATER TURN OFF RADIOS IN DISAPPOINTMENT.”

I follow Michael Savage. Anyone who thinks he advocates violence is someone who clearly doesn’t think. Agree or disagree with him, his words, or his personality, the last thing he ever has done is advocate violence of any sort.

Question: Where is Janeane Garofalo on this list? She spewed more hate in her minute-long rant on Olby’s show than Savage has in the last decade of airtime. Oh…right…that’s tolerated/accepted hate-speech. My bad.

CatsGodot on May 7, 2009 at 4:29 PM

We have every right to refuse entry to our country.

mags on May 7, 2009 at 11:26 AM

Really? Because we are always being told that we can’t deny entry to a gazillion illegal mexicans. And one of the reasons the UK pols cited against Savage is that he urged people to burn Mexican flags in retaliation to people burning American flags who were demonstrating in support of immigration. BZZZZZZZZZZZ! Catch the big lie, there? They were demonstrating for illegal immigration — no one opposes legal immigration.

Anyway, screw you limeys. And the raising of money for the IRA and allowing Sein Fein entry was done by the lousy democrats — not conservatives, so piss on them and piss on you!

Blake on May 7, 2009 at 10:03 PM

mags on May 7, 2009 at 11:26 AM

I guess this explains why you don’t deport or deny entry to islamic terrorists — you really want them in your country. So, when the next 7/7 happens, and it will, I’ll be chuckling and thinking of you.

Blake on May 7, 2009 at 10:05 PM

They actually did Mike a favor..Being banned from that tiny island is a good thing. I say Thank You to the Queen for Mike.

lasertex on May 7, 2009 at 11:06 PM

…Even mentioning Michael Savage’s name will get you excommunicated from Fox. …
Jerricho68

As I said before, I follow him, and I like him. I agree with many of his views. However, I do find him falling into hyperboles and paranoia all too often. And this is a perfect example.

I listened to his podcast the day after his reaction to this. He accused Fox of not reporting this. Funny thing is, 8AM Pacific time, I first found out about this…….on the Fox News Network.

He’ll claim to coin phrases that, honestly, I’ve heard before him even uttering. Rush will quote a phrase, then, weeks later, Savage joke about it as he “just made it up”, then complain how “the Golfer” stole that from him. I can go on and on. If you’re a listener, I would suggest taking his “I’m all alone in this!” words with a grain of salt. When everyone in the world seems to be wrong but you, maybe you should consider that, hey, maybe it’s not that everyone else is wrong. When he goes on about Fox, I’m wondering just what kind of aluminum foil he wraps his head with. You’re Independent. Got it. Stop overplaying that card.

…On a tangent (like I’m not already on one), along those lines, I also question his background as a nutritionist. I’m not sure how many of you would remember this, but as a diabetic, there was a caller that stuck out to me, and one that was difficult for me to shrug off. A caller complained that listening to Savage raised his blood pressure, and, thus, his glucose levels (which is true). When asked what his average is, the caller said, flatly, “400.”

For those of you who are not diabetic, and don’t have to closely monitor your readings, “400″ is pretty much synonymous with “go see a doctor before you fall into a coma.”

How did Dr. Savage react? “Okay, do you have your meter near you? I’m going to play this, and tell me how much higher your readings go.” Why not just ask him to drink a soda and eat some candy while you’re at it?

….okay, I’m done now. /rant

CatsGodot on May 8, 2009 at 2:17 AM

(quick clarify: just in case the whole “coma” thing might seem like an exaggeration, ideal readings are 80-100; 150 is considered high (and doctors get really snippy when you’re at this level), 200 is considered very high, 250 is considered very VERY high (like, drink some water and run some laps, quick), 300 means that you need to check for kitoacidosis–essentially, your body starts leaking poison into your own body, risking kidney shutdown. And things just get exponentially worse from there.)

CatsGodot on May 8, 2009 at 2:21 AM

As I said before, I follow him, and I like him. I agree with many of his views. However, I do find him falling into hyperboles and paranoia all too often. And this is a perfect example [...]
A caller complained that listening to Savage raised his blood pressure, and, thus, his glucose levels (which is true). When asked what his average is, the caller said, flatly, “400.”
CatsGodot on May 8, 2009 at 2:17 AM

CatsGodot,
I remember that call, but don’t remember it exactly as something dangerous, and not enough to quibble with a diabetic either.
;-)

On the paranoia thing, I like it when he does this because it taught me something. Savage is a very intelligent thinker, and while it’s unhealthy to get bound in conspiracy theory, it doesn’t hurt to let the mind wander and toy with odd ideas. He’s been right about things that happened months later, if not totally precise.

Hope you are well.

Feedie on May 8, 2009 at 2:47 AM

I listened to his podcast the day after his reaction to this. He accused Fox of not reporting this. Funny thing is, 8AM Pacific time, I first found out about this…….on the Fox News Network.

Problem with that is Fox News didn’t really report it for 3 days when CNN and BBC actually reported it on that day with an interview with Savage from both. I’m sure they must have gotten some feed back from viewers on it.

scrubbiedude on May 8, 2009 at 6:48 AM

The Savage raises my blood glucose level was a joke. Get a grip.

Blake on May 8, 2009 at 8:15 AM

I remember that call, but don’t remember it exactly as something dangerous, and not enough to quibble with a diabetic either.

A 400 reading? For anyone who knows about proper nutrient should know that that is dangerous. Quite dangerous. And, yes, it was 400. That’s what stuck out to me. I listened to it live that night, the podcast the next day or two, and a “best of”, simply because it seemed so odd.

Your paranoia statement, though, I agree with. And I’ll give him credit for being correct, as you’ve said. He’s quite intelligent. And that’s why I listen to him and respect him. No one’s perfect–everyone has their flaws–and when you can parse through the faults to see the treasure, you can learn a lot.

“Just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean they’re not out to get you.”

Problem with that is Fox News didn’t really report it for 3 days…

Re-read what I wrote. I saw it that morning. Not 3 days later. That morning. No, as far as I know, he hasn’t been interviewed, but it was part of the morning headlines.

The Savage raises my blood glucose level was a joke. Get a grip.

You miss the obvious connection. Aren’t you the very type that Savage rails against–those that mindlessly follow, lock and step? The fact that his glucose went up, yes, was “a joke” (although, medically speaking, can be quite accurate, and still a cute exercise on radio). The baseline, however, isn’t, and the fact that Savage didn’t pick up at it, at all, says quite a bit about him.

Incidentally, looks like O’Reilly is also asking the question I asked earlier. What Would Doc Savage Do? …nah, I’m chalking it up to the obvious, and asking the same question that I’m sure many others are.

CatsGodot on May 8, 2009 at 12:40 PM

CatsGodot on May 8, 2009 at 12:40 PM

Yeah, 400 is not a good number.

This would make a good contest at a Savage Convention, filled with contrarians:

Win a prize; guess how many seconds before people stop debating each other and listen to the man. Life is so much easier for conformists, heh. :-)

Feedie on May 8, 2009 at 2:16 PM

I don’t see how you weak minded chumps can’t come to the defense of Michael Savage. None of you are even worthy to carry his sandals. Today it is Savage. Someday will be your day. They will come to your bath house and pull you out of your stall and reveal your life style choices to everybody, grab you by the lapels of your pajamas and pack you of to a reeducation camp. Why is there not one hetero white male in all of Pajamas Media. How can you call Michael Savage low brow. He is and will always be greater and smarter then you. Your bookmark is off my tool bar forever you cowardly mealy mouthed wimps.

Jerricho68 on May 16, 2009 at 6:41 PM

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