Feedie:

Draw down in Afghanistan and poison the opium crops. Let ‘em kill each other and Allah sort them out.

And after a few years of that, THEN what happens?

I’ll tell you:

It goes RIGHT back to what is was when the Taliban were in control: a massive terrorist safehouse with a border.

How did that work out the last time, again?

The hubris of Bush, thinking to remake Islam in his own image, is over.

Than so is any hope of a solution outside of killing off the entire Muslim world.

Spare our men and do whatever is necessary to protect our nation.

And so tossing away our gains over the last eight years and just cowering in the rickety old treehouse the Isolationists call “Fortress America” waiting for one of our foes to achieve dominance over the rest of the world and come for us is “protecting our nation?”

I believe America First and their ilk had similar ideas.

And look how those turned out.

corvettelady:

There is little I can add to Baxter Greene, but I will say that study and a healthy grasp of history will help dispel many such bizarre conspiracy theories.

Baxter Greene:

Damn good work.

I’m sorry, but 9/11 was an inside job. It’s so obvious how all this has played out so Bush could put in The Patriot Act, Homeland Security, FEMA (including concentration camps), wire-tapping, etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_tf25lx_3o

Believe whatever you want to believe, but we are in scary times now and will get worse.

corvettelady on May 5, 2009 at 4:03 PM

Ya well Al Gore and Mikey Moore have proof also, Haaa haa harrr harrrr. So lets see your proof that Bush did it.

It seems odd to be nostalgic for the Musharraf regime, doesn’t it?

No, I think Musharraf was better than any corrupt dynast or other product of “democracy” in Pakistan. He was a successful military man with a lot of experience. Pakistan can never be more than a crack house with nukes and we needn’t dump more planeloads of cash at this point. Minimize our losses is more like it. The nukes remain a problem and I hope the sane people lower in our government made plans. Draw down in Afghanistan and poison the opium crops. Let ‘em kill each other and Allah sort them out.

The hubris of Bush, thinking to remake Islam in his own image, is over. Spare our men and do whatever is necessary to protect our nation.

We can expect many more of these types of international catastrophes as more of the world’s people grow to understand that the Obama’s “kinder and gentler” approach to diplomacy and armed force will be understood as weakness and operated on, profitably, by the world’s villains.

The repudiation by the Obama administration of most policies of the Bush administration concerning world order is becoming a catastrophe in motion. Pakistan might be just the first.

The European community, who wanted Bush to back off, are now in a state of disorder as they realize that their Islamist populations must be “handled” by themselves rather than using the American threat to keep their Islamists in control.

Pakistan, as well as Obama, is going to understand that Bush was correct, and if Pakistan wants to continue with any semblance of democracy, they are years too late in cleaning up the Taliban.

The Taliban, under intense pressure from the US in Afghanistan, are directing their Islamist, testosterone driven, desire for an Islamic state at Pakistan which US intelligence has marked as a takeover candidate, unable to defend itself, for decades. Like the Clinton administration, the Obama administration believes that their progressive desires trump intelligence reality delivered by the US intelligence organizations.

We Americans are now under more threat than prior to 9-11. The Taliban are no fools, and have likely subverted some of those with access to Pakistan’s nuclear weapons. Obama, Hillary, and the rest of the Democratic Socialist cabal will learn a severe lesson when Pakistan folds to the Taliban. It is unfortunate that many Americans will also learn the severe lesson of Obama’s “appeasement in our time”.

Obama to end Predator raids over Taliban and AQ in Pakistan.
“The current path that we are on is leading us to loss of Pakistani government control over its own population.”

I am going to go out on a limb here,but I think the appeasement and basic surrender to the Taliban by the Pakistani government has a lot more to do with them not having any credibility with the population and bordering on
total collapse than drone strikes:

Pakistan agrees to Islamic law in Swat, bolstering extremists
Saeed Shah | McClatchy Newspapers
last updated: April 14, 2009 12:23:48 AM
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/world/v-print/story/66368.html

ISLAMABAD — Pakistan’s president bowed to Islamists’ demands Monday and agreed to impose Islamic law in part of the country’s North West Frontier province, and al Qaida-allied militants overran a neighboring district 60 miles from the capital of Islamabad.

History has shown that showing weakness and capitulating to dictators and terrorist does nothing but embolden them and make things worse:

Pakistan concedes to the Taliban in NWFP
posted at 12:35 pm on February 16, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/02/16/pakistan-concedes-to-the-taliban-in-nwfp/

Former Pakistani dictator Pervez Musharraf tried peace treaties with the Taliban in the frontier provinces to no avail. Now the democratically-elected government in Islamabad wants to duplicate his mistake. The Gilani government has essentially ceded authority to shari’a courts in the Northwest Frontier Province, allowing the Taliban to rule under Islamic law, and agreeing to withdraw government forces:

The Pakistani government and Intel agencies are throughly infiltrated with Taliban sympathizers and we already know that the ISI helped plot and carry out the Indian attacks:

Afghan Strikes by Taliban Get Pakistan Help, U.S. Aides Say

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/26/world/asia/26tribal.html?pagewanted=print
By MARK MAZZETTI and ERIC SCHMITT

WASHINGTON — The Taliban’s widening campaign in southern Afghanistan is made possible in part by direct support from operatives in Pakistan’s military intelligence agency, despite Pakistani government promises to sever ties to militant groups fighting in Afghanistan, according to American government officials.

To stop the very successful drone attacks is yet another example of how weak Mr. 57 states is.

Capitulation here,just like with Iran,will actually lead to much more serious outbreak of violence and possibly war than to deal with this aggressively,backing up any sanctions or treaties with force instead of words.

I’m sorry, but 9/11 was an inside job. It’s so obvious how all this has played out so Bush could put in The Patriot Act, Homeland Security, FEMA (including concentration camps), wire-tapping, etc.

Believe whatever you want to believe, but we are in scary times now and will get worse.

corvettelady on May 5, 2009 at 4:03 PM

No need to be sorry for what you believe but all of the actual FACTS AND EVIDENCE do not support the fantasy that 9-11 was an inside job nor do the FACTS AND EVIDENCE support ANYTHING Alex Jones says! Alex Jones is a charlatan getting rich off of backs of the dead from the 9-11 attack that was perpetrated by fascist Islam; that is a fact.

Here are some other links, perhaps you may want to take some time and do an honest comparison of the FACTS AND EVIDENCE and compare it to the fantasy world of the 9-11 truther!

Screw Loose Change

Confessions of an Ex-Truther

9-11 Myths

Popular Mechanics Debunking of 9-11

Popular Mechanics vs. Loose Change Video Debate (be sure to watch all parts, the loose change guys end up looking like the morons they are, all fluff and hype and no FACTS OR EVIDENCE!)

Journal of Debunking 9-11

9-11 Conspiracy Theories Debunked by the BBC

I could go on and on with the links as I’m sure you can, but if you honestly look at what the experts say (and I’m talking about actual experts, you know scientists that specialize and have degrees in structural engineering, metallurgy, fire sciences, etc. and not some college kids making videos in their dorm room) and compare it to the innuendos, false comparisons, half truths, misrepresentations of the facts, and outright lies of the truthers you can come to no other conclusion than 9-11 was not an inside job perpetrated by our government but was a brutal attack by murdering ideological zealots of fascist Islam!

Yep…that’ll show those jihadis that Obama is someone to respect and fear…

coldwarrior on May 5, 2009 at 4:14 PM

I know that the Pakistan government (for what it is) has been
calling for a stop to these drone attacks.

But liberals have been calling for a stop to them to.
Kind of hard to whine about pouring water on somebody’s face while you are bombing people from the sky.

Apparently when Obama said he had a “smarter” plan for Afghanistan and Pakistan,it was capitulation.

How in the world is telling the leaders of the Taliban and Al-qaeda that they are now safe to move around and launch attacks considered “Smart Power”.

corvettelady on May 5, 2009 at 4:03 PM

Try to peddle your tripe elsewhere. KSM and OBL met with GWB over tea and planned the whole thing. Get. A. Clue.

I’m sorry, but 9/11 was an inside job.

corvettelady on May 5, 2009 at 4:03 PM

The Pakistan issue is a deadly serious issue that has major ramifications all over the world,unlike your stupid “9/11 was an inside job” bullSh!t.
This site along with many others,hundreds of experts including Popular Mechanics and the University of Iowa have shown the technical data that proves the 9/11 conspiracy theories to be bullsh!t.
We also have Osama admitting it on tape.
The hijackers on film getting on the planes.
The phone calls from the people on the planes.
The confessions of the mastermind Mr. water board himself taking us through the planning and financing of 9/11.

http://www.debunking911.com/

Quit wasting our time with your truther bullsh!t.
Pakistan is a real world problem.
Your conspiracies are problems you have made up to feel important but really reveal you to be an idiot.

Obama to end Predator raids over Taliban and AQ in Pakistan.

Yep…that’ll show those jihadis that Obama is someone to respect and fear…

At this point it might even be difficult to get a decent military dictatorship out of it if the troops and junior officers won’t back it up.

So, what’s next?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_tf25lx_3o

Believe whatever you want to believe, but we are in scary times now and will get worse.

Spread the word.

corvettelady on May 5, 2009 at 3:35 PM

Argh…no. Life is complicated enough without listening to Alex Jones.

And it’s hardly as complicated as his conspiracy theories make it out to be. And there are no lizard people either.

Spread the word.

corvettelady on May 5, 2009 at 3:35 PM

With all due respect corvettelady I don’t buy into a damn thing Alex Jones has to say, the guy is a fraud and is only in it for the money, you know, selling t-shirts, DVD’s, books etc. Any azzhole that buys into the 9-11 conspiracy BS is a moronic azzhole not to mention they are insulting to the families of 9-11 victims!

We know the truth behind 9-11, it was fascist Islam that perpetrated 9-11 not the US government and anyone with one functioning synapse and a shred of honesty knows 9-11 wasn’t an inside job! All of the supposed “facts” and “truth” 9-11 truthers have come up with has been thoroughly debunked by actual experts in metallurgy, engineering, etc., etc. and that is the truth of the matter!

To put a new spin on an old PT Barnum saying, “there’s a truther born every minute” and Alex Jones is laughing all the way to the bank thanks to 9-11 moron truthers!

It seems odd to be nostalgic for the Musharraf regime, doesn’t it?

Not as odd as it seems to be nostalgic for the Clinton administration. Obama is sitting on his hands while this is going on.

Then again, Bubba would have done pretty much the same.

What is Obama doing ? He has Joe Biden in Israel telling the Israeli that they need to cave to the Palistinians.

William Amos on May 5, 2009 at 1:01 PM

You really want to know what’s going on? This is to pave the way for New World Order by the Global Elite. Our govt. has been talking about NWO for years. BHO, like Bush, Clinton, and those before them are “puppets”. Watch this video by Alex Jones to learn more and you’ll know what I’m talking about. What sickens me the most in this video is how our govt/global elites, etc., are using our military men & women to fight these wars for their selfish purposes and power.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw

Spread the word.

This and other coordinated attacks — along with threats to women, shops selling CDs and barbers

This is why the Oxford Comma is a good thing.

Tribe is a big deal for much of the area, so that could be a factor as well. Either way, I think it will be very bloody.

Wonderful. And this as our ground forces are worn to the bone in Iraq, losing ground in Afghanistan and now under the ‘command’ of a Marxist-worshiping surrender monkey.

I really cannot see Pakistan winning. Get those nukes out of there now, along with anything else of importance.

Dark-Star on May 5, 2009 at 1:05 PM

No worries, the CIA is taking care of this…oh, wait, they’re p*ssed off, too. Well, Hillary can deal.

I don’t remember who, but someone mentioned that it might actually be used against rival factions or other heretics. At the top of the list is the Saudi ruling family.

Also, what “state” are Pakistan’s nukes in? Without the necessary tools and expertise, I’d imagine it’ll be really difficult to transport it.