Obama tax-loophole plan panned by business

posted at 10:12 am on May 5, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Barack Obama announced a plan to recover more than $200 billion a year by closing tax “loopholes” for American businesses that do business overseas.  The loophole in this case mainly consists of closing out preferential tax treatment of income derived from foreign subsidiaries, which helps America compete abroad.  Bringing those revenues under the domestic tax rate would not necessarily raise revenues, businesses warn, but create a flight of multinationals out of the US:

The White House argued that 83 of the 100 largest U.S. corporations have subsidiaries in tax havens, citing a government report, and that in 2004 the largest corporations paid about $16 billion, or a tax rate of about 2.3 percent, on $700 billion in profits.

The plan would raise $60 billion by 2019 by reducing the amount of foreign income that companies can avoid paying tax on indefinitely through a procedure called “deferral.” It would raise another $40 billion over the next 10 years by cracking down on inaccurate tax deductions made by U.S. companies based on taxes they pay in other countries. …

Fiscal conservatives and anti-tax groups countered that the Obama plan will produce the opposite of what it intends to do.

“Obama’s proposal will shove jobs and capital out of America and into foreign countries,” said Americans for Tax Reform, pointing out that U.S. companies already pay a higher corporate tax rate of 40 percent domestically than in many other countries, and that forcing them to pay this rate on profits they make internationally will drive operations out of the country.

“It’s a relatively simple matter for a U.S. company with an Irish subsidiary to become an Irish company with a U.S. subsidiary,” the anti-tax group said.

Unfortunately, Obama’s stuck.  In the middle of a deep recession, Obama has proposed massive new government spending while revenues drop dramatically.  The predicted $1.85 trillion budget for this year is a massive fantasy, and the rosy economic predictions for this year and next make the next few years’ deficit predictions seem even more ridiculous.

Obama has to find revenue to counter the bleeding.  This attempt will backfire in a couple of ways.  First, as ATR noted, companies with the wherewithal will simply move overseas to take advantage of better tax environments, limiting their exposure to Obama’s tax-hiking fever and protecting their revenues.  He can try to make this as painful as possible, but in the end businesses will act in their own interest.  Obama seems to either not realize this or not care much whether companies flee the US, nor does he appear to have learned the value of dynamic tax analysis.

For the rest, the high American corporate tax rate will cause them to invest less in their own businesses, killing expansion and development.  It will curtail employment, and in the end, the businesses won’t pay most of the tax anyway.  They will do what all businesses do — pass their internal costs to their customers in the form of higher prices.  Those higher prices will depress demand, as well as creating inflation on top of stagnation.  This will not only cripple the American economy in a similar manner to what we saw in the 1970s, but it will also mean less revenue for the federal and state governments.

If Obama wanted to create jobs and stimulate growth — and therefore tax revenue — he would drop the corporate tax rate instead of attempting to close this “loophole”.  If we had a competitive tax rate, businesses wouldn’t need to go abroad to protect their revenue, and we could collect more in taxes in the long run.  In order to realize that, though, Obama would have to be cured of his knee-jerk antipathy towards the private sector, which was perfectly clear in his announcement of this new policy.

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With his entitlement programs and Socialism Lite, he needs every coin he can scrounge.
When are the people going to wake up?

carbon_footprint on May 5, 2009 at 10:14 AM

This job is far above his paygrade.

bridgetown on May 5, 2009 at 10:15 AM

Hey Barry, instead of trying to ‘close loopholes’ that members of your party wrote into the tax laws, why don’t you try getting members of your own party to follow the existing tax laws, and pay up?

Vashta.Nerada on May 5, 2009 at 10:15 AM

Jeez. He really is THAT stupid.

Fishoutofwater on May 5, 2009 at 10:16 AM

It’s infuriating to watch a president who appointed a tax cheat promise to ‘crack down’ on people who are not breaking the law.

Slublog on May 5, 2009 at 10:17 AM

What?! You mean lower taxes for evil big business? What would Obama do with himself if he abandoned the tactics of class warfare?

Doughboy on May 5, 2009 at 10:17 AM

If this happens, hopefully the corporations work together to determine which country to base their operations out of so we know where to go if this country’s economy sinks.

WashJeff on May 5, 2009 at 10:17 AM

I look forward to the press conference where The One will state that all true economists agree with him and this will not hurt the economy, and then label those who disagree with him to be “Republican” economists, whatever that’s supposed to mean.

I’ve never seen a major politician use the “No true Scotsman” logical fallacy so frequently and not get called on it.

strictnein on May 5, 2009 at 10:17 AM

What are you saying, that electing a community organizer with zero economic acumen wasn’t such a hot idea?

Bishop on May 5, 2009 at 10:19 AM

He doesn’t really care what happens to businesses or Americans so long as it means more power to him. He is probably getting a high off businesses leaving just because he knows he is causing it.

Selfish toddlers don’t care how they get attention as long as they get it.

PrincipledPilgrim on May 5, 2009 at 10:20 AM

Yeah, this is a really stupid idea. Leave it to a liberal to compound the problem they claim to be fixing.

CP on May 5, 2009 at 10:23 AM

Amazing. He hires Cabinet Members that can’t even do their own taxes and he attacks Corporations for taking advantage of tax loopholes.

kingsjester on May 5, 2009 at 10:24 AM

….in the end businesses will act in their own interest. Obama seems to either not realize this or not care much whether companies flee the US,

If Obama wanted to create jobs and stimulate growth….

The Precident does not want to create jobs. He has mad this clear in his actions and his rhetoric. Just b/c he says that he does uno out of diez times doesn’t make it so.

nolapol on May 5, 2009 at 10:24 AM

Just think of all the new laws Statist can create to restrict the free market once the companies start basing the whole operations outside the US. A new problem to “fix”. What magnificent b**tards these statists are!

WashJeff on May 5, 2009 at 10:26 AM

Its already happening. Just read a news article where one of the automatersis closing a US plant then they discovered it was keeping open a Mexico plant.

Obama is creating this situation not stoping it.

William Amos on May 5, 2009 at 10:26 AM

Our corporate tax rates are already way too high. It’s hard to understand that the Dems can’t see that making it easier for businesses to be successful here is good jobs, business, and the economy. Except the fact that they just hate business. So businesses will just keep outsourcing, as they’re bled dry. Nice work.

brak on May 5, 2009 at 10:27 AM

Cracking down on tax cheats.**

** By closing existing legal loopholes. Does not apply to current members of the Administration, or other duly elected (Democratic) officials.

cs89 on May 5, 2009 at 10:28 AM

That’s Precedent

nolapol on May 5, 2009 at 10:28 AM

I think the MSM got it wrong in the presidential election. Obama doesn’t let anything deter him form what he wants. Not common sense, the common good, the will of the people, the rule of law, The US Constitution or even reality itself. Obama not McCain was the true Maverick.

Tommy_G on May 5, 2009 at 10:31 AM

Sounds like it should be called the “California Plan”.

All you folks in Cali that are planning on bugging out better look in your rear view mirror ’cause Bambi’s on your tail.

rockhead on May 5, 2009 at 10:33 AM

Our corporate tax rates are already way too high. It’s hard to understand that the Dems can’t see that making it easier for businesses to be successful here is good jobs, business, and the economy. Except the fact that they just hate business. So businesses will just keep outsourcing, as they’re bled dry. Nice work.

brak on May 5, 2009 at 10:27 AM

They don’t care. Their aim is to quash the private sector and grow government. This is not stupidity. It is part of his plan.

PrincipledPilgrim on May 5, 2009 at 10:33 AM

I think we’re seeing why Warren Buffet has only spoken with him once since he became president.

MayBee on May 5, 2009 at 10:33 AM

I think we’re seeing why Warren Buffet has only spoken with him once since he became president.

MayBee on May 5, 2009 at 10:33 AM

Then why is Buffet praising him saying that he is doing the right things?

PrincipledPilgrim on May 5, 2009 at 10:34 AM

How much do you want to bet that Google is taken aside and assured they won’t be affected. They will be part of the tax cheat elite.

PrincipledPilgrim on May 5, 2009 at 10:35 AM

Gotta “spread the wealth” somehow.

I can’t believe this guy is that stupid. My husband works for an independent energy company (yeah, evil) and the owner has already purchased companies in foreign markets that are happy as can be to have him there.

tru2tx on May 5, 2009 at 10:36 AM

As long as government gets bigger, Obama will be perfectly happy.

LibTired on May 5, 2009 at 10:38 AM

Barack Obama announced a plan to recover more than $200 billion a year by closing tax “loopholes” for American businesses that do business overseas.

Is it $200B a year? I thought it was $200B over 10 years.

angryed on May 5, 2009 at 10:39 AM

When France and Sweden have governments more friendly to growing corporations, you know you are doing something wrong.

I’d much rather pay taxes that benefit Sarkozy’s gov’t than the criminal enterprise in DC.

PimFortuynsGhost on May 5, 2009 at 10:40 AM

Here’s an idea: let’s make the US a tax haven!

Akzed on May 5, 2009 at 10:40 AM

It’s as if he has made the decision to only be a one-termer. No one can be this stupid.

sherry on May 5, 2009 at 10:41 AM

Gee, maybe he should look right under his nose and do something about all the REAL “tax cheats” in Washington. A bill needs to be passed that requires mandatory annual IRS audits of Senators, Congressmen, Cabinet Members and anyone heading any office or department. Daschle, Dodd and Rangel could write the bill, with some help from Timmy Turbo Tax.

Logic on May 5, 2009 at 10:45 AM

I’m confused. Will this “save” jobs, or “create” jobs?

FreakyBoy on May 5, 2009 at 10:45 AM

The Dutch are shocked they’re on the list.

Phoenician on May 5, 2009 at 10:46 AM

If government wasn’t so enamored with spending, they wouldn’t need so much in taxes. If they didn’t need so much in taxes, they wouldn’t feel pressured to produce so many loopholes.

Reduce spending. Reduce the size of government. Return liberty and freedom.

The largest “corporation” abusing its “customers” with price-fixing, price-gouging, ponzi schemes, etc., etc. is government.

SouthernRoots on May 5, 2009 at 10:46 AM

Loophole = LAW, no? So he’s playing the anti-rich card to make raising taxes a good thing. LOL Americans are stupid. “YEAH! Let’s raise taxes on the evil corporations!” Are people really so dumb as to think those taxes aren’t passed on to consumers? Once again, Obama CAN’T come out and say what he’s really doing – and the media covers.

marklmail on May 5, 2009 at 10:47 AM

This job is far above his experience level.

California should be thought of as a trial lab for all these anti corporate policies coming from Barry and the boys. Jobs, and brains, are leaving Ca. at an alarming rate due to the anti corporate nature of the current state government. And the tax base is falling and the debt is balloning.

Unfortunately, the evidence can be hitting these guys right in their “compassionate” faces, and they still fail to see the catastrophic results that are going to be magnified by a government that continues to print $’s as fast as they can cut down the trees from which they’ll make the paper. We already see long term rates increasing as purchasers are demanding greater return for the more risky paper.

And a company’s “punishment” for moving offshore? – They will not be able to bid on US government contracts.

Ladi-F’in-da – tell me, which companies solicite business from bankrupt, opportunistic, anti-capitalistic organizations headed by neophyites?

gonnjos on May 5, 2009 at 10:48 AM

Ed – the figure was $210 billionover 10 years. Lets not give Obama the benefit of an even more effective smoke screen

Bloomberg:

The package of corporate and individual tax changes, which will be part of a detailed budget the administration plans to release May 7, would generate about $210 billion in tax revenue over the next decade, according to Treasury estimates. Obama’s proposals, if adopted, wouldn’t take effect until 2011.

see this example of how Obama’s numbers really add up

gatorboy on May 5, 2009 at 10:48 AM

So let me see if i got this. Closing loopholes and raising the corporate tax, will in turn, cause the companies to find a friendlier country with a less restrictive tax system. That’s absolute genius. Oh lord, this administration has to have the collective IQ of a box of carrots.

MDWNJ on May 5, 2009 at 10:49 AM

Maybe if we’d lower our tax rates, we’d attract businesses instead of them being forced to go overseas.

Nah. That’s too radical.

lorien1973 on May 5, 2009 at 10:49 AM

Welcome Back Kotter Carter.

jgapinoy on May 5, 2009 at 10:49 AM

OT from Drudge:

Obama WH won’t release pics of Scare Force One flyby and will have no further comment. Hmmmmmmm.

BardMan on May 5, 2009 at 10:50 AM

Who advises Obama on business matters? You would think at very least they would do it quietly so if business flees the public doesn’t’ know it was Obama’s fault.

He is interested in impressing the business haters that’s why he is doing this. Short term gain long term loss.

As long as he keeps this up the election in 2010 and 2012 is going to be interesting. But the GOP has to have a better plan by then (and to refrain from infighting) or Obama is what we get.

petunia on May 5, 2009 at 10:51 AM

This job is far above his paygrade.

bridgetown on May 5, 2009 at 10:15 AM

The man is overqualified to be his own secretary guy that gets the coffie coffee machine.

- The Cat

MirCat on May 5, 2009 at 10:52 AM

Has anyone calculated Obama’s deficits under a scenerio that his assumptions are off by more than 15%?

What if his revenue projections are off by 30% or more?

This is really scary…

RedSoxNation on May 5, 2009 at 10:52 AM

ACK!

Let I should try again.

The man is UNDERqualified to be his own secretary guy that gets the coffee coffee machine.

- The Cat

P.S. I just fired myself

MirCat on May 5, 2009 at 10:52 AM

BardMan on May 5, 2009 at 10:50 AM

I wanna know who was on that plane?

Akzed on May 5, 2009 at 10:53 AM

So let me see if i got this. Closing loopholes and raising the corporate tax, will in turn, cause the companies to find a friendlier country with a less restrictive tax system. That’s absolute genius. Oh lord, this administration has to have the collective IQ of a box of carrots.

MDWNJ on May 5, 2009 at 10:49 AM

Sigh. Ok I’ll do the obligatory “don’t insult carrots” post.

zeebeach on May 5, 2009 at 10:53 AM

This is really scary…

RedSoxNation on May 5, 2009 at 10:52 AM

Nah. Don’t worry about it. Just wait for the MSM to report on the real news. The Obamas next date night.

MDWNJ on May 5, 2009 at 10:54 AM

This won’t get through Congress, but it will make the Nutroots happy and give the White House another enemy to run against. They would be doing this if it meant only 10 bucks to the Treasury. One of Obama’s biggest applause lines in th campaign when he talked about “closing those tax loopholes for big businesses that ship our jobs overseas.”

Bread and circuses.

rockmom on May 5, 2009 at 10:54 AM

I must also say that I cannot understand why Larry Summers still wants to be a part of this anti-capitalist Administration. No self-respecting economist should.

rockmom on May 5, 2009 at 10:56 AM

It’s as if he has made the decision to only be a one-termer. No one can be this stupid.

sherry on May 5, 2009 at 10:41 AM

Obama’s policies are extreme enough to make him a half-termer (a lame duck after the midterm elevtions).

Right_of_Attila on May 5, 2009 at 10:56 AM

Don’t be surprised if the Administration has a plan (and I use that word because it always gets a laugh) to take over these companies if they try to leave for better tax climes.

He’s already shown utter disregard for the financial stake held by the Chrysler creditors, why would he stop there? It’s for the good of the country, don’t you know.

landshark on May 5, 2009 at 10:59 AM

Unfortunately, Obama’s stuck.

And so America will be stuck with the bill. Obama is like a frat boy at the party and has no regards to who is going to clean up his mess. He looks to corporate America for a bail-out and I don’t think the money will flow so easily FROM corporate America BACK to government. That is why TARP was a boondoggle and a trojan horse all rolled into one. The banking industry is stuck with TARP money and YOU the American taxpayer will be left holding the bag.

Once Obama is gone you can have fond remembrances of how Socialism ended the American dream and you will have weekly & monthly photo ops of the billionaire Obama relaxing on the beach.

izoneguy on May 5, 2009 at 11:00 AM

When France and Sweden have governments more friendly to growing corporations, you know you are doing something wrong.

I’d much rather pay taxes that benefit Sarkozy’s gov’t than the criminal enterprise in DC.

PimFortuynsGhost on May 5, 2009 at 10:40 AM

Maybe this is the real plan… to make Americans long for world government…

Did you ever in your life think you would write what you wrote above? This is just amazing.

petunia on May 5, 2009 at 11:00 AM

So now the economy wont just crash, it will crater. Gobama! please. Please Go bama.

All the brainless twits are in charge.

dogsoldier on May 5, 2009 at 11:01 AM

It’s as if he has made the decision to only be a one-termer. No one can be this stupid.

sherry on May 5, 2009 at 10:41 AM

Rahmbo is fixing that for him. Venezuela-style elections. Elections are a facade. The fix is in.

PrincipledPilgrim on May 5, 2009 at 11:03 AM

Ooops… meant to quote, not strike out.

PrincipledPilgrim on May 5, 2009 at 11:03 AM

They don’t care. Their aim is to quash the private sector and grow government. This is not stupidity. It is part of his plan.

PrincipledPilgrim on May 5, 2009 at 10:33 AM

He’s such an idiot, it’s hard to tell. But I suspect you’re right.

Daggett on May 5, 2009 at 11:05 AM

This is what happens when you let an ideologue run your country.

BadgerHawk on May 5, 2009 at 11:06 AM

He`s making it too easy to win in 2012. Thank you, sir.

ThePrez on May 5, 2009 at 11:09 AM

Does anyone remember how Obama handled the Gibson question on capital-gains taxes in the ABC debate?

Obama simply doesn’t understand tax policy concepts, just as he doesn’t understand general economic concepts. I’ve posted it too many times: look at his tax returns dating back to 2000. Neither he nor his wife seemed to understand the benefit of an interest-bearing checking account, and they’ve owned apparently only two common stocks (bought and sold in 2005) in their lives. And we’ve turned the world’s economy over to this idiot?

When are we going to get a look at his transcripts from Columbia and, more important, Harvard. I’m betting that he doesn’t have even a basic income taxation course on his law school transcripts, and I’d be stunned if you found a business organizations course on it either. I’ll bet his electives were nothing but civil rights courses–which is fine, but put him in charge of the ACLU, but don’t elect him POTUS.

BuckeyeSam on May 5, 2009 at 11:12 AM

Most Marxist’s don’t understand that tax payments come from producers. Once the producers curtail or stop production then tax payments from them will slow to a trickle. I am John Galt.

izoneguy on May 5, 2009 at 11:18 AM

Some of us have known this was coming even before the Big O was elected. And some companies already started making the move; I expect some big names to be offshore by year’s end if this goes through.

michaelo on May 5, 2009 at 11:19 AM

This job is far above his paygrade.

bridgetown on May 5, 2009 at 10:15 AM

Checking air pressure in a tire is above his paygrade.

Oldnuke on May 5, 2009 at 11:20 AM

OT from Drudge:

Obama WH won’t release pics of Scare Force One flyby and will have no further comment. Hmmmmmmm.

BardMan on May 5, 2009 at 10:50 AM

So much for transparency.

txag92 on May 5, 2009 at 11:24 AM

The plan would raise $60 billion by 2019 by reducing the amount of foreign income that companies can avoid paying tax on indefinitely through a procedure called “deferral.” It would raise another $40 billion over the next 10 years by cracking down on inaccurate tax deductions made by U.S. companies based on taxes they pay in other countries. …

Barack “57 States” Obama may be mathematically challenged, but some people CAN count. “$60 billion by 2019″ plus “$40 billion over the next 10 years” is a total of $100 billion over the next 10 years, or an average of $10 billion per year. Relative to the projected deficit of $1.85 TRILLION, this would reduce the deficit by a paltry 0.54%.

The White House argued that 83 of the 100 largest U.S. corporations have subsidiaries in tax havens, citing a government report, and that in 2004 the largest corporations paid about $16 billion, or a tax rate of about 2.3 percent, on $700 billion in profits.

If this were true, and American corporations were forced to pay 40% tax on those profits, that should bring in $280 billion per year, or a net $264 billion per year over the $16 billion actually collected.

If there was really $264 billion in “lost” tax revenue in 2004, why does Obama’s gee-whiz wonderful loophole-closing tax plan ONLY recover $10 billion per year, or 3.8% of it?

Obama is a master of deception, and leads people astray with “big number confusion”, where the sheeple don’t bother or are unable to COMPARE the relative magnitudes of big numbers. Wowee, closing a tax loophole can bring in $100 billion over 10 years–that’s a big number. The stimulus will spend $787 billion in two years–look at all the jobs it will create! But don’t compare that to the even bigger deficit…that’s the dirty little secret nobody knows until they get the bill, or need a wheelbarrow full of dollars to buy a loaf of bread!

Barack Obama is either stupid, or corrupt, or both! But what will Congress do? Will members of Congress, who have seen big corporations relocate overseas, want to accelerate the job losses, or will they look at non-union Japanese car-makers setting up shop in the South, and conclude that they need to keep them there, and not chase them out?

Money and international corporations are loyal to no nation, only to themselves. They will do business where conditions are the most favorable. Countries that create favorable conditions will have more business, more jobs, and more tax revenues. Hopefully, enough members of Congress will realize this, and stop this stupid idea in its tracks.

Steve Z on May 5, 2009 at 11:25 AM

My guess is you have to be an ignorant Obama voter to not get this … You just move your HQ offshore, and very likely your manufacturing operations, and sell products back to the USA, if you want.

Hey avoid the global warming tax at the same time, a two-fer. The losers, the workers.

Now ZERO, he wants to make the ignorants, and most ZERO voters think he is actually doing something — Get those evil tax avoiding corporations, the very same corporations who Congress said should not have to pay taxes twice. Yep, Congress made the rules, ZERO just lies about them.

Sounds a lot like the AIG bonus scam doesn’t it. I guess with ZERO it one voter excitation scam after another.

What happened to the pig flu? Scam flameout.

tarpon on May 5, 2009 at 11:29 AM

How does it feel now 52%?

Many businesses warned that if Obama was elected, there would be job losses. That has happened. Now there is going to be an exodus of companies moving overseas. Which means more US job losses. Liberals blamed Bush when this happened, bet they’ll be quiet now. Voters were warned that this administration would be anti-business. And it is.

I guess it doesn’t matter as long as the government keeps printing money and unemployment benefits last for life.

shibumi on May 5, 2009 at 11:35 AM

Steve Z on May 5, 2009 at 11:25 AM

Yes indeed. I’m beginning to think they are literally making up numbers as they go along, knowing that few will bother to see if they stack up. There is precedent for this… From a corporatist, statist Democrat President:

One morning, FDR told his group he was thinking of raising the gold price by 21 cents. Why that figure, his entourage asked. “It’s a lucky number,” Roosevelt said, “because it’s three times seven.” As Henry Morgenthau later wrote, “If anybody knew how we really set the gold price through a combination of lucky numbers, etc., I think they would be frightened.”

George Orwell on May 5, 2009 at 11:40 AM

How hard is it for the Barack administration to understand that if it costs more for a business to do business, the increased costs are PASSED DIRECTLY DOWN TO THE CONSUMER.

On one hand the left demands that businesses provide high quality goods/services at “fair” prices, while on the other they expect those same businesses to pay decent wages with generous bennies to their employees–all the while denying the business the ability to pare down its expenses so that it can do all that as well as possible.

Trust me, Barack administration: lowering taxes on businesses will enable them to hire more and produce more that more people can buy–all of which puts legitimate tax dollars into the coffer and sets up a healthy economic cycle for positive growth of our GDP, low unemployment rates, a robust economy, and higher tax revenues.

This is not PhD-level economics.

Bob's Kid on May 5, 2009 at 11:44 AM

I guess it doesn’t matter as long as the government keeps printing money and unemployment benefits last for life.

shibumi on May 5, 2009 at 11:35 AM

I guess if the left expectancy was reduced down to 21 then that might work.
With nationalized health care it should knock down expectancy to 65 or so.
So much for collecting retirement.

izoneguy on May 5, 2009 at 11:46 AM

How hard is it for the Barack administration to understand that if it costs more for a business to do business, the increased costs are PASSED DIRECTLY DOWN TO THE CONSUMER.

On one hand the left demands that businesses provide high quality goods/services at “fair” prices, while on the other they expect those same businesses to pay decent wages with generous bennies to their employees–all the while denying the business the ability to pare down its expenses so that it can do all that as well as possible.

Trust me, Barack administration: lowering taxes on businesses will enable them to hire more and produce more that more people can buy–all of which puts legitimate tax dollars into the coffer and sets up a healthy economic cycle for positive growth of our GDP, low unemployment rates, a robust economy, and higher tax revenues.

This is not PhD-level economics.

Bob’s Kid on May 5, 2009 at 11:44 AM

Every good Marxist thinks people should not own anything anyway.
Every good worker will be plowing the fields with an ass. The collective will
raise it’s own food supply and that will be enough to satisfy the people.
You will be issued one new jumpsuit every year – COMRADES.

izoneguy on May 5, 2009 at 11:49 AM

One more time: incompetent and inept empty suit.
Big media splash about making business “pay.” He has no grasp of how it makes us pay instead.
The people need to make full use of the two-party system this administration loathes so much and neuter this bunch in the 2010 elections.

n0doz on May 5, 2009 at 11:53 AM

He is interested in impressing the business haters that’s why he is doing this. Short term gain long term loss.

petunia on May 5, 2009 at 10:51 AM

Business haters = 80% of the American public these days.

angryed on May 5, 2009 at 12:01 PM

BuckeyeSam on May 5, 2009 at 11:12 AM

He understands the issue just fine. Remember the CNBC interview where the woman told him his tax policies were crazy in this environment? He told her it wasn’t about revenue, it was about ‘fairness’.

bikermailman on May 5, 2009 at 12:03 PM

Why not go after faux 503(b) organizations and have them pay taxes?

Odie1941 on May 5, 2009 at 12:04 PM

I still find it amazing they weren’t both zapped by a lightning bolt for LYING.

ProudinNC on May 5, 2009 at 12:06 PM

Note to self. Let’s see the report how this works with Soros before we applaud the Harry & Barry ideology.
I suspect Soros is outside for a reason.

seven on May 5, 2009 at 12:06 PM

The thought process behind taxing capital to cure depression is perfectly natural. It’s the same hindbrain logic that told our ancestors to use leeches to cure disease.

Simple observation tells us that blood is somehow important to health, but not exactly why it’s important. You don’t really see the good stuff blood does, ’cause that’s not on the surface. But whenever you get an infection, you see that corruption of the blood makes you sick. So naturally you figure that draining it out will get rid of all that bad stuff.

And the sicker you get, the more that proves you’re not bleeding enough. If carried through, it always ends very, very badly. But the patient’s family is usually grateful to the shaman for trying so gosh darned hard to help.

logis on May 5, 2009 at 12:08 PM

Vashta.Nerada on May 5, 2009 at 10:15 AM

If only Obama’s tax-loophole plan were his presidency’s noose.

maverick muse on May 5, 2009 at 12:11 PM

He understands the issue just fine. Remember the CNBC interview where the woman told him his tax policies were crazy in this environment? He told her it wasn’t about revenue, it was about ‘fairness’.

bikermailman on May 5, 2009 at 12:03 PM

Didn’t see that one, but that’s exactly what he told Gibson in the primary. Gibson cited the stats demonstrating that lowering the tax rate on capital gains actually increased revenues. His response was essentially, “The hell with raising revenue; I just want to gouge money from those who are selling capital assets at a gain because it’s part of my worldview on fairness.”

BuckeyeSam on May 5, 2009 at 12:11 PM

Every good worker will be plowing the fields with an ass. The collective will
raise it’s own food supply and that will be enough to satisfy the people.
You will be issued one new jumpsuit every year – COMRADES.

izoneguy on May 5, 2009 at 11:49 AM

No worker will have an ass or any livestock, or food.
The green radicals will cull the earth of animal life.

maverick muse on May 5, 2009 at 12:13 PM

Didn’t see that one, but that’s exactly what he told Gibson in the primary. Gibson cited the stats demonstrating that lowering the tax rate on capital gains actually increased revenues. His response was essentially, “The hell with raising revenue; I just want to gouge money from those who are selling capital assets at a gain because it’s part of my worldview on fairness.”

BuckeyeSam on May 5, 2009 at 12:11 PM

I believe the interview is what prompted Gibson’s question. When she asked him, and got his response, she looked at him as if he had two heads.

bikermailman on May 5, 2009 at 12:15 PM

Stupidity, at it’s finest. But what can we expect, from a man who let’s a plane fly around buildings over New York, for a photo op. Gah!!!

capejasmine on May 5, 2009 at 12:29 PM

Just wait for the Blue Eagle program to rear its ugly, unconstitutional head again.

From wiki:

The Blue Eagle, a blue-colored representation of the American “thunderbird,” with outspread wings, was a symbol used in the United States by companies to show compliance with the National Industrial Recovery Act. It was proclaimed on July 20, 1933, as the symbol of industrial recovery by Hugh Samuel Johnson, the head of the National Recovery Administration.[1][2][3]

The design was sketched by Johnson, and based on an idea utilized by the War Industries Board during World War I.[1][3]

All companies that accepted President Franklin D. Roosevelt’s Re-employment Agreement or a special Code of Fair Competition were permitted to display a poster showing the Blue Eagle together with the announcement, “NRA Member. We Do Our Part.”[1][2][3] Consumers were exhorted to buy products and services only from companies displaying the Blue Eagle banner.[1][3] According to Johnson,

“When every American housewife understands that the Blue Eagle on everything that she permits into her home is a symbol of its restoration to security, may God have mercy on the man or group of men who attempt to trifle with this bird.” [4]

On September 5, 1935, following the invalidation of the compulsory code system, the emblem was abolished and its future use as a symbol was prohibited.

If you sold goods at a lower price than a store with a blue eagle, your store got busted up.

daesleeper on May 5, 2009 at 12:37 PM

Looks as if the Tea Parties are going to get bigger and bigger.

d1carter on May 5, 2009 at 12:38 PM

Looks as if the Tea Parties are going to get bigger and bigger.

d1carter on May 5, 2009 at 12:38 PM

Interesting. If they hold one in Cincinnati, Ohio, I’m wondering whether it’ll attract the entire downtown office of Procter & Gamble.

Just what the economy needs, something to douse the financial picture of a large domestic manufacturer.

BuckeyeSam on May 5, 2009 at 12:46 PM

Looks as if the Tea Parties are going to get bigger and bigger.

d1carter on May 5, 2009 at 12:38 PM

I’m looking forward to them! :D

capejasmine on May 5, 2009 at 12:47 PM

I believe the interview is what prompted Gibson’s question. When she asked him, and got his response, she looked at him as if he had two heads.

bikermailman on May 5, 2009 at 12:15 PM

This is what America gets for electing a clean-up version of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. All are nothing but poverty merchants.

Anti-black? No way. The minute Walter Williams or Thomas Sowell runs for office, I’m first in line to vote. But certainly no one who sits in Jeremiah Wright’s church for 20 years. I hate intolerant haters–such as too many on the Left.

BuckeyeSam on May 5, 2009 at 12:51 PM

Maff am above my paygrade.

bloviator on May 5, 2009 at 12:54 PM

Of course many will leave. Obama is putting idealism ahead of common and business sense.

jeanie on May 5, 2009 at 1:08 PM

MDWNJ on May 5, 2009 at 10:49 AM

Now, now, now… there’s no need to insult carrots!

dominigan on May 5, 2009 at 1:16 PM

Business haters = 80% of the American public these days.

angryed on May 5, 2009 at 12:01 PM

So you mean only 20% of the people work for companies?
Out of that 80% I guess these are the folks that think their
jobs suck. What will suck is when everyone will have to work
for the government. No more private industry. Taxes taken
right of the top with no chance of return. No need for the IRS
or accountants any longer. No shopping, no products, no restaurants.
Is this really what the 54% voted for? If you get a welfare check now
and do nothing – those days will be over. Barry will have a nice job
ready & waiting. Welcome back to the plantation.

izoneguy on May 5, 2009 at 1:19 PM

petunia on May 5, 2009 at 11:00 AM

No kidding, but when Sarkozy spends money and political capital trying to liberalize the French economy, deal with the filth in the Banlieues, and has a smoking hot wife (not to mention his personal trainer) it is intriguing. Especially when the guy sitting in the Oval Office is a Marxist black supremacist who is trying to set up ACORN as a civilian militia and is married to someone who bears resemblance to a Star Trek character, I find it hard to continue to engage in bashing France.

PimFortuynsGhost on May 5, 2009 at 1:21 PM

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