I’ve been thinking Barack Obama would like very much to capture or kill Osama bin Laden, or (if that fails) at least have him declared officially dead. If he is successful, it will be a game changer in more ways……

America’s superior military might is such an embarrassment.

By the way, where are we at with killing missile defense funding?

DamnYankee on May 6, 2009 at 10:19 AM

We’re getting to that after we get done drving a stake in the heart of the F-22 Raptor and cutting 15% out of the rest of the defense budget.

By the way, where are we at with killing missile defense funding?

Personally I think those soldiers just got out of hand…
Terrye on May 6, 2009 at 6:53 AM

Personally, I think those soldiers just got bored and were extremely stupid. But then Mil prison guards aren’t exactly chosen for their intelligence…

Unfortuantely, the O’s hatered of all things capitalist will mean the next attack – which He will claim He could do nothing about – will mean another East Coast attack… probably using the intel gained from His recent NYC fly over.

And the most on the West Coast will go on believing it has nothing to do with them. And move on to more important political decisions like what new thing to tax and how high to raise the rest of the taxes.

And pre-teens and airheads of all stripes will continue to defend the O and His wonderful successes, excoriating the evil Bush and his policies on various blogs like this one.

Until the O comes for them… my favorite prediction is forced conscription for ages 10-35. Their howls will make your hair stand on end.

Most of the don’t really care one way or the other. They just consider the socalled torture issue to be a winner politically.

For instance it never occurs to strangelet that Obama’s hand will not be clean if there is a sensational lawsuit of this kind, neither will Pelosi’s. And in the end no one will win because agencies like the CIA will just outsource this work to people no one will bother questioning. There will be no pics or memos or lawsuits. There will be no Red Cross either.

Personally I think those soldiers just got out of hand, they were not being properly supervised and probably hated those prisoners because they were killing Americans. So they did their own thing and now they are trying to clear themselves and maybe get some fame and money.

And they can count on simple minded people like strangelet to go along with whatever they say.

It is bad for the country.

Sorry, but I appreciate the advice, but must decline.

Turtler on May 5, 2009 at 11:44 PM

I concede your point. You are correct.

I am also from the PRK, the southern portion to be exact. I am frustrated concerning this torture argument that is going nowhere.

I simply fail to understand why my liberal friends, relatives, including my mother, and coworkers do not understand how lethal the jihadists are to this country. My points are met with abject horror that the U.S. could ever compromise morals to torture anyone.

A succinct comeback is my goal to change maybe one person’s perspective and stop this insane lust for political revenge when absolutely nothing good can come from it. I work with the USMC and talk with these young men and women and my heart hurts when I think of how dismissive some are to their sacrifice.

Pay no attention to the strange one.

I wish I could, but such idioticy demands rebuttal.

Methinks she is not an American so she has no dog in this fight regarding torture.

I am sorry, but that is not true. She does. Whether she realizes it or not is irrelevant. If an when her neck feels the cold chill of a Jihadic blade hanging over it, she will realize that she does.

She talks nonsense.

That much was apparent.

I think she is a plant from some British rag that trolls the blogs. Look at her speech patterns. Definitely not from the U.S.

Perhaps, but don’t be so sure. I life in the People’s Republik of Kalifornia, so I’ve seen a lot.

She has never answered anyone’s questions as to her brazen declarations of righteous indignation of America being a torture nation.

Than is not the proper thing to let her silence condemn her and her accusations after a thorough rebuttal?

All she tries to be is an enigma and gives you an effing wink.

Than let her. The truth will come out.

Why the hell would she simply not answer the questions posed to her?

Because she is not interested in arguing honorably, like some of our better “trolls” (Grow Fins, the Chinese apologist, etc) are. And thus she reveals her inability to argue.

Hey strange, mind your own beeswax or, in your case, bidness.

Concurred.

Unless you have some skin in the game, shut up or put up!

Oh she does.

All of it, and the ability to show it and to have it intact.

Particularly the parts around the neck.

She just doesn’t realize it.

Sorry, but I appreciate the advice, but must decline.

Pay no attention to the strange one. Methinks she is not an American so she has no dog in this fight regarding torture. She talks nonsense. I think she is a plant from some British rag that trolls the blogs. Look at her speech patterns. Definitely not from the U.S.

She has never answered anyone’s questions as to her brazen declarations of righteous indignation of America being a torture nation. All she tries to be is an enigma and gives you an effing wink. Why the hell would she simply not answer the questions posed to her?

Hey strange, mind your own beeswax or, in your case, bidness. Unless you have some skin in the game, shut up or put up!

Obama might end drone attacks on Al Qaeda in Pakistan

I wonder if OBungler can find his pecker without directions from his teleprompter. /Sarcasm

strangelet:

The best we could possibly do is gtfo and let the Pak government fight their own internals.

And if that were possible, we would let them. Unfortunately, Pakistan is a rotten apple infested with Islamists, so their ability to win without aid is very much in question.

Make no mistake: Machismo is a very big deal in MENA, and Bush made Musharaff look like he had no balls..

Perhaps, but Mushy needed a bit of that to make sure he did not bolt into the arms of the Jihad.

Every drone strike on a village is a recruiting bonanza for AQ and the Talis.

That is a valid point, but when you are offered the chance to cap high-ranking members of your enemy, you take it.

Do you not unnerstand the word “embedded”?

Yes, we do.

AQ and the Tali are married into the clans and the tribal power structure.

True, but that only means we have to use more high explosives to pry them out and destroy them.

It wasn’t any different in Afghanistan, the war you so enthusiastically favor over Iraq. And we don’t see you whining about that.

But then again, consistency is not your strong suit, is it?

Do you HAVE to be so stupid?
Pakistan is a sovereign state. We have no bidness there.

The irony of these two sentences appearing right next to each other is epic.

YES, Pakistan is a sovereign state, at least in theory.

However, anywhere are opponents lurk, we have business.

The Nazis learned this lesson the hard way after WWII, and the Jihad should be forced to deal with it.

You still don’t get it….Obama is a machiavellian pragmatist.
That is why he won.

Perhaps, but he has proven remarkably inept as one, and Machiavelli would probably have slapped his head off for not paying attention to The Prince and Discourses.

And even if we accept that as truth, Machiavellian pragmatists are not the people you want making all the most crucial ethical decisions of the era. When push comes to shove, they will ultimately “realpolitik” away from their moral and ethical obligations, RE Nixon, Ike, and others.

Can a lawyer be prosecuted for giving bad legal advice?

Obviously, if you think advising torture of high-level enemy agents is “bad,” you haven’t paid attention to history.

However….a CinC that instantiated a secret torture policy and then scapegoated his own troops for following orders, can certainly be prosecuted.certainly

And when we find one, we will be sure to do so.

But until than, the charges have no merit.

And we don’t have to “go after Bush”.

No you don’t. You could simply leave him at his peace for making ugly decisions in a time of crisis, like their successors did for Wilson and Truman.

But you being the knaves you are will do so anyway.

Even knowing the risk that it could come back to bite you.

Obama and me can just sit on out nice clean hands while the Abu Ghraib Seven bring juicy sensational lawsuits against their former CinC.

And I would like to see them try. And Fail.

Because the simple fact is that somebody has to do the ugly things in war to win it and prevent the abominable. If they had any honor, they would recognize that.

The Torture President……that is what the history books will say.

And how would you know, seeing as how you have no knowledge of history?

what a saint. no wonder he was kissing butt during his world tour. Now we all have them hating us all more and he is stripping our country of our defense against terrorists.

What are we to do now?

I don’t have a problem with Obama terrorist hunting or pirate hunting but there needs to be a better mouse trap applied.

Pics will come out, people will die there will be riots. Obama will use the deaths and mayhem for his own purposes.

The people who were tried by the military for abuses at Abu Ghraib will try to use pics to make money and cover their asses etc with the help of dishonest Obama officials.

Because as we all know, a bunch of grunts at Abu Ghraib would obviously have been given top security clearance and training to carry out secret torture plans that included putting panties on people’s heads and having group sex. Why one of the perpetrators got herself knocked up as part of the plan. On top of that they were ordered to drink and take pics on camera cell phones and send them to relatives and stuff.

Yeah, that sounds like a top secret CIA operation to me.

You know what torture is? Trying to follow your logic. There was no secret torture regime. The only evidence of that is in your own tortured paranoid fantasies.

You think anything other than giving the nice terrorists milk and cookies is torture.

Meanwhile they plot your murder. In your mind your own smug narcissistic sense of superiority is more important than other people’s lives. If you had your way literally thousands of innocent people would have lost their lives while you played your favorite game My Country sucks with a bunch of mass murderers.

Sure, But then smell your hands.

Is that why The One didn’t respond to Iranian aircraft attacking Iraqi villages, incidentally — because he can’t be “distracted” from the real war right now?

Yes, he can’t be distracted from his war on the USA.

OBAMA IS SURRENDERING ALREADY.

A FEW WEEKS AGO HE WANTED TO REACH OUT THE “MODERATE TALIBAN”.

WHAT A FREAKIN IDIOT.

WELL… EITHER HE’S AN IDIOT OR A DOUBLE AGENT.

I THINK THERE’S ONLY ONE SOLUTION: ZARDARI SHOULD GO NUCLEAR ON THE REGIONS OF THE FATA CONTROLLED BY THE TALIBAN/AL QAEDA.