ebrown2 on May 7, 2009 at 4:58 PM

This person does not have a clue what he is talking about… just in case anyone cares.

What paranoids these Mormon haters are.

People use your own judgement. Look at our lives and our culture do we look like people who follow blindly without using our heads? I hope not.

We are very well educated group! One of the best educated of all religious groups I think. And our education is mostly secular in nature. Studying, thinking, science, art, all aspects of truth and reason, whereever we can find it, what ever is good–these are part of the gospel of Jesus Christ as we know it and practice it.

Our Apostles and Prophets counsel and advise us with love and understanding, and patience. There is no need to fear old men grown wise with age!

They don’t use much money, they wear out their lives in service to their fellow men. Why would you fear them?

Meet them. They to a man have wonderful senses of humor and good solid marriages that have lasted lifetimes. Their children and grandchildren and great grandchildren revere them. Why do you fear goodness?

We are no threat to you. We want to live in understanding with you. We appreciate you! You add so much to our lives! Don’t fear us.

That is…when I couldn’t find the who the author was, the whole link became untrustworthy and therefore not worth my time to read or dissect.

In case you missed it, I didn’t read your link. The first thing I did was look for the who. As I do with any reading…I want to know who the author is. Something stuck in the middle of page 34…I could really care less….I am sure some of the facts Al Gore cited was based on real science.

As far as your beliefs and interpretations of the Bible…with regards that God is on vacation with regards to prophets…and I won’t get into a Bible debate on who is right or wrong…that still doesn’t answer the question on if Moses is a prophet and how that effects you with how you govern…or how Clinton governed or how Carter governed.

You have yet to prove to me that Mr Jon Huntsman is unfit for office because he believes in a living prophet seer and revelator. You have also yet to prove, beyond a shadow of doubt that all Christians are locked step and govern the same. History would prove otherwise. Hence, how does Clinton and Carter’s faith reflect in the way they ran their Presidency? Were the British more or less Christian than Americans in the Revolutionary War?

Yet you apparently don’t know the premier journal of Mormon studies/history, founded and run by Mormons, carrying an article by a Mormon sensitive to the concerns of other LDS members [p. 34]. Curious.

“Oh and do you believe Moses was a “prophet, seer, and revelator?”…what about Clinton? Carter?”

Mr. James Earl Carter, Jr. believes that the canon of revelation is closed, and thus no one on Earth has the theoretical theocratic authority over him that the President of the LDS Church would have over Huntsman or Romney. I am not prepared to answer for what Mr. Clinton does or does not believe.

Sooooooooooooo, what are you saying here? Reading between the lines it sounds like you have a bit of a problem with them mormons.

Gotcha. One of em got the last promotion at your work. I understand. Relax now. McDonalds opens early tomorrow and you are pancake shift.

The Wall on May 7, 2009 at 1:59 AM

Mormon hatred? About as logical as your “white trailer trash” hatred, isn’t it?

I am also saying that unless I trust the authors, there is no reason for me to read your link. I know my religion, and I know the history of my religion. Can you say you know your religion as well as you claim to know mine? Or is your religion’s foundation is proving my religion to be false? Because again…the I-Hate-Mormons religion is built on sand.

Oh and do you believe Moses was a “prophet, seer, and revelator?”…what about Clinton? Carter?

I am saying I don’t know who the authors are…hence I don’t know their angle. What I do know however is your angle, and you are anti-LDS. So again answer my questions:

How is that relevant? Do you believe in Jesus Christ? Did Clinton? Carter? Were the British during the Revolutionary War any less Christian than the Americans they were fighting?

explain how a certain belief Jon Huntsman holds somehow dictates how he will govern

what does attacking my religion do for you sir?

That’s really amazing.

ebrown2 on May 7, 2009 at 3:46 PM

How is that relevant? Do you believe in Jesus Christ? Did Clinton? Carter? Were the British during the Revolutionary War any less Christian than the Americans they were fighting?

publication could be understood to have an “anti-Mormon” bias.
Knowing who the author is and what their agenda goes along way to understanding how the publication is skewed. For example Al Gore…he used facts found from Scientists, fully sourced and notated in standard academic form. I am puzzled to understand how either Al Gore or the publications he has written, could be considered to have an “anti-capitalism” bias.

The article is from DIALOGUE: A JOURNAL OF MORMON THOUGHT, and is fully sourced and notated in standard academic form. I’m puzzled to understand how either the author or the publication could be understood to have an “anti-Mormon” bias.

“please explain how a certain belief Jon Huntsman holds somehow dictates how he will govern”

Does he believe that the President of the LDS Church is a “prophet, seer, and revelator?”

Further more, instead of posting a link, where the authors don’t even provide an about…please explain how a certain belief Jon Huntsman holds somehow dictates how he will govern…which is what we vote for. If Mormons were so homogenized, why are there active practicing Mormons who are liberal and some who are conservative and some in between?

Or are you in the same insane camp as the drive by Quaoar and think we are all boogy men out to get you as soon as you vote us in.

what does attacking my religion do for you sir? Are people leaving your church? Somehow proving my religion as false ( especially when you use half truths or all out lies ) doesn’t make your religion more true.

And what does any of this really have to do with Huntsman? I won’t vote for him…he is McCain. That is a legitimate reason. Because he happens to go to a church you disagree with…is dumb. There are over 12 million members in the LDS religion, and there is 12 million different personalities and 12 million different ways they practice their faith. Sure we have our standard, doesn’t mean people struggle trying to reach that standard…go figure.

Anyway, there are more interesting things to look at in Mormon history than that, including the temple “blood oaths”:

http://content.lib.utah.edu/cdm4/document.php?CISOROOT=%2Fdialogue&CISOPTR=20301&REC=0&CISOBOX=blood+oath

and the continual Orwellian revision of doctrine for political purposes, cf. polyandry in 1890 [to get Utah's statehood] and the priesthoods for African-Americans in 1977. [for Brazilian expansion, if memory serves me correctly]

Reagan was pretty polarizing in his day. It’s only through the glow of historical perspective, as many of his policies have been shown to make a positive difference, that the popular perception of him has become more widely one of appreciation.

He did win convincing elections, but the “minority” sure didn’t like what he had to say.

The Wall on May 7, 2009 at 2:00 AM

Huckabee I can understand, but Palin is pretty much a Republican. But I am pretty sure Palin isn’t as anti-Mormon as Huckabee is, I could be wrong…just haven’t seen any evidence of it.

Sigh. I wish Quaoar was a Democrat.

petunia on May 7, 2009 at 12:59 AM

Well, he voted for Huckabee and now supports Palin so he is as close to a democrat as a republican can be.

OK, maybe a retarded democrat.

At this juncture, I will not support a Mormon for President. Not Huntsman, not any of the Mormon Congressmen and Senators (no woman can be a Mormon leader!) or state governors. Ever.

Quaoar on May 6, 2009 at 11:14 PM

Sooooooooooooo, what are you saying here? Reading between the lines it sounds like you have a bit of a problem with them mormons.

Gotcha. One of em got the last promotion at your work. I understand. Relax now. McDonalds opens early tomorrow and you are pancake shift.