Obama campaign manager: I fear Jon Huntsman the most in 2012
posted at 5:10 pm on May 5, 2009 by Allahpundit
Jon Huntsman, the Utah governor who’s positioned himself as the moderate GOP alternative in 2012 by coming out in favor of civil unions? The RINO-in-chief, in other words?
While no republican presidential candidate yet makes Obama’s team “shake in {their} shoes…,” President Obama’s campaign manager, David Plouffe, now says Governor Jon Huntsman makes him, a “wee bit queasy…I think he’s really out there speaking a lot of truth about the direction of the party.”
To which Kirk Jowers of the University of Utah’s Hinckley Institute of Politics says, “Huntsman has positioned himself in a great place right now because he is the only presidential candidate really running in the middle right now.”
Huntsman spent the weekend in Michigan which is a key G.O.P. primary state.
And Jowers – who has advised three republican presidential candidates – says Huntsman has now, “…become a top five candidate for 2012.”
Reportedly he’s also being advised by former McCain guru John Weaver. Three possible motives for Plouffe to say what he said:
1. It’s true: Huntsman really does make him nervous.
2. Reverse psychology: Huntsman doesn’t make him nervous, but if enough dopey Republicans think he does, maybe they’ll nominate him and it’ll be an easy kill for The One.
3. Reverse reverse psychology: Huntsman does make him nervous, in which case it’s important to kneecap him as soon as possible. Plouffe, being no dummy, knows that Rush et al. will simply assume that he’s practicing briar-patch reverse psychology and will immediately start to tear Huntsman down as a scarecrow whom the Dems would love to face, thereby demonizing him among the Republican base and ruining his chances before the campaign even begins.
Which is it? Also, how does Huntsman hope to capture the nomination with the base favoring a return to Reaganism as the solution to Hopenchange? Presumably his strategy is 2008 redux: Count on Palin, Romney, Huck, and maybe Sanford splitting the social cons amongst themselves while winning all the Brooksian center-rightists for himself. I hope he does run; I’m curious to see just how many of those Brooksians there are.
Update: Ambinder thinks Plouffe is on the level and that Huntsman’s for real, given the early primaries in moderate-leaning states like New Hampshire and Florida. That’s super, but how does Huntsman challenge Obama in the general with who knows how many Christian conservatives staying home out of objection to a nominee who supports civil unions (and who happens to be Mormon)? Are we sure Plouffe doesn’t want to face him?
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No dude. You answer my question first:
In which state did you vote for Mike Huckabee????
The Wall on May 5, 2009 at 7:41 PM
You would think that somebody with that “oh look at me, I am impressive with my wordsmithing” writing style would at least know what my 3rd grade daughter knows…namely, that the word “cannot” is ONE word…not two.
You must’ve ventured past your dictionary.com for a moment there, genius.
The Wall on May 5, 2009 at 7:45 PM
If he wants to run, let him.
Not gonna take my advice on picking a GOP candidate from the Obama Administration, under any circumstances.
cs89 on May 5, 2009 at 7:45 PM
The reason they fear Huntsman is that he will split the morman vote with Romney….allowing for a cakewalk for Palin in the western states. Palin is the one they fear. If not, then why no Huntsman smear campaign? I didn’t even know what the guy looked like until I read this.
takeamericabackin10 on May 5, 2009 at 7:46 PM
Yep, you figured it out. They are just tryin to split that durn morman vote. them mormans.
ha haha
The Wall on May 5, 2009 at 7:48 PM
They attack that which they are afraid of.
peacenprosperity on May 5, 2009 at 7:49 PM
From dictionary.com:
That makes you an
Joe Caps on May 5, 2009 at 7:50 PM
He must be..he has the “Mitt hair” going on.
unwashed minion on May 5, 2009 at 7:51 PM
The only state I would vote for that talkshow huckster is a drunken, semi-conscious state.
peacenprosperity on May 5, 2009 at 7:51 PM
takeamericabackin10 on May 5, 2009 at 7:46 PM
First of all, when I see Morman, its an immediate red flag. Its Mormon, not Morman.
Second of all, I’m Mormon, and do not like Huntsman, and not a big fan of Romney….that is a Mormon could vote for Palin…and likewise many people voted for Romney who weren’t Mormon.
And note to all anti-Mormons…who want to share their “concern” that anti-Mormon information will surface…stuff it already, you aren’t fooling anyone. Its the same as Obama expressing his concern with Chrysler and AIG etc that he and only he can keeps the the mob from attacking them.
Conservative Voice on May 5, 2009 at 7:53 PM
As for the RINO thing. I hope Allah was just tweaking us. I think most Republicans, even social conservatives, are ok with civil unions.
Y-not on May 5, 2009 at 5:36 PM
Well it’s that or take them out back and shoot’em/s
heshtesh on May 5, 2009 at 7:54 PM
Which Ward do you go to Brother Wall? Is you wife in Relief Society? Do the children go to Mutual?
You calling someone a douche is the ultimate oxymoron.
portlandon on May 5, 2009 at 7:55 PM
The Wall on May 5, 2009 at 7:48 PM
Troll cracking on others for word usage and spelling of “Mormon?”
Dude, we’ve seen your posts.
“BWAHAHAHAHA!!!”
cs89 on May 5, 2009 at 7:55 PM
From English-net.com
Ooooops. I guess YOU are the idiot…not me.
Yep, a bigot, a tool, and an idiot.
The Wall on May 5, 2009 at 7:59 PM
portlandon on May 5, 2009 at 7:55 PM
Yes attack the Wall…shame on you. I disagree with the Wall, on how he defends Romney and attacks Palin, but on this issue he is right.
United we stand, or do we stand for nothing? Don’t want to convert to LDS beliefs…they are “weird” fine, don’t convert, on one is asking you to…but don’t call yourself a Christian or a Conservative if you don’t strongly believe and respect in another man’s right to believe as he does.
Conservative Voice on May 5, 2009 at 8:00 PM
I recognize those terms….nope, not even LDS. About half of my neighbors are, I live in socal, and I going to work for a skilled nursing company where the owner, and my future boss, are LDS.
Sorry to disappoint.
The Wall on May 5, 2009 at 8:01 PM
No, you absurd clown, I was cracking on his stupid comment that the Obama person was vaunting this guy to split the Mormon vote.
Making fun of his language was just a footnote of fun.
The Wall on May 5, 2009 at 8:02 PM
Huntsman’s grandfather was David Bruce Haight, one of the Quorum of the 12, which is the highest circle in Mormonism. It is their version of the 12 Apostles.
As a former mormon, I can attest to this as very important. The Huntsman family is a very big name in Mormonism. Far more important than The Romney family. Families who hold such stature in the mormon faith have great power within the church.
Not a slam on mormonism, just interesting.
portlandon on May 5, 2009 at 8:04 PM
Wow. Look I found a better known website that says the opposite:
How long did it take you on google to find somebody that says “NO WAY cuz that’s how it is in TREASURE ISLAND?”
Joe Caps on May 5, 2009 at 8:04 PM
The Wall on May 5, 2009 at 8:01 PM
Don’t you see, people automatically think you are a Mormon, because you strongly believe and respect another man’s right to believe as they do….and so defend Romney and Huntsman defamation because they happen to be Mormon.
Conservative Voice on May 5, 2009 at 8:05 PM
portlandon on May 5, 2009 at 8:04 PM
Really? I can see why you left the church then, because you don’t understand it. We don’t worship the 12 apostles…or mind numb vote in people who happen to share their name.
Conservative Voice on May 5, 2009 at 8:07 PM
I was raised Mormon, and was a member for over 22 years. Don’t lecture me on things I assume you know nothing about.
Bottle your moral outrage and direct it to something worth blowing your top at. “The Roger Waters WALL” has been exposed many times. Poking him with a stick to see what he spews out like a crap filled Pinata is especially nice since it is Cinco de Mayo.
portlandon on May 5, 2009 at 8:08 PM
I guess you are right. But, I figured they would know better based on my behavior on this forum.
HA HA HA!!
The Wall on May 5, 2009 at 8:09 PM
If Obama fears anything – it’s a hard core right candidate with the wind at his/her back.
HondaV65 on May 5, 2009 at 5:44 PM
Who knows maybe Olympia Snow might run.?
heshtesh on May 5, 2009 at 8:09 PM
No, actually you would be the ignorant uneducated imbecile.
CANNOT/CAN NOT
These two spellings are largely interchangeable, but by far the most common is “cannot” and you should probably use it except when you want to be emphatic: “No, you can not wash the dog in the Maytag.”
doriangrey on May 5, 2009 at 8:11 PM
Thanks for providing the source. Mustve been a REAL winner.
I gave you the source…go look it up, dummy. Tear yourself away from your Huckabee pictures and go look it up.
The Wall on May 5, 2009 at 8:11 PM
That’s not a fair assessment. Polls have shown that there are a relatively high percentage of people who- unfairly perhaps- would be reluctant to vote for a Mormon.
That shouldn’t be an excuse to argue against a Mormon running at all, but pointing out the fact that a Mormon candidate does have a slightly higher hill to climb isn’t a demonstration of bigotry.
Hollowpoint on May 5, 2009 at 8:12 PM
portlandon on May 5, 2009 at 8:08 PM
just because you were a mormon, doesn’t mean you understand it.
My moral outrage is with people like maverick muse, and joe caps who pretend to have my interests in mind. My moral outrage is with people like you who take the opportunity to attack someone you don’t agree with…because its an opportunity. When a person is right, they are to be applauded….otherwise you are no better than the bigots like joe and maverick muse.
Conservative Voice on May 5, 2009 at 8:13 PM
REALLY? You don’t worship the Quorum of the 12? You need to read your Doctrine in Covenenant, or Pearl of Great Price more. I am not going to waste peoples time here challenging you to Mormon theology, but trying to separate John Huntsman from his religious beliefs Mormon,Christian, or Quaker is not possible.
portlandon on May 5, 2009 at 8:14 PM
Hollowpoint on May 5, 2009 at 8:12 PM
You are right if they actually showed real concern…instead of saying…I’m afraid people might spread anti-Mormon rhetoric, you know like this link here and this link here…Exactly how Joe Caps did.
Hollowpoint, we share the same opinion with Romney, I do not like his gun position. That is a fair attack. Not his religion.
Conservative Voice on May 5, 2009 at 8:16 PM
portlandon on May 5, 2009 at 8:14 PM
We worship Jesus Christ. As far as how Jon governs as a Mormon…the 12 Apostles and the Prophet is against civil unions. Yep, John’s religion is relevant /sarc.
Conservative Voice on May 5, 2009 at 8:19 PM
No, no, no, no.
You arent going to do a hit and run.
You claim that Mormons “worship” their church leaders???
Provide the source. I am not LDS and I know for a fact that they dont worship their leaders any more than baptists worship their preacher.
You claim that you were raised mormon and that you are a former mormon???
I call bullshit.
There isnt any way in holy hell that a person was raised a mormon and still says that mormons worship the twelve church leaders that they have.
No way in hell.
Check it out everybody. Another dishonest Palin freak.
HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!
You lying sack of crap.
You voted for Huckabee didnt you??
Tell the truth. You have been exposed…not me, loser.
The Wall on May 5, 2009 at 8:20 PM
Your Failure in logic is accepting the fact that “The Wall” is worth defending. A skunk might look cute, but don’t pet the damned thing you’ll get sprayed. Wall is not a Troll, he is more dangerous. He is a hateful, bigoted idealist with little to offer other than “HAHAHA” & “Dude”. Get your head straight.
portlandon on May 5, 2009 at 8:22 PM
But I learned it from watching you Wall Ball.
HAHAHA Dude. Dude. HAHAHAHA.
portlandon on May 5, 2009 at 8:23 PM
portlandon on May 5, 2009 at 8:22 PM
I would defend your right to your religion, unless of course its the religion of I-Hate-Mormons, seen too many of those who deserve any kind of respect.
Conservative Voice on May 5, 2009 at 8:24 PM
Conservative Voice on May 5, 2009 at 8:24 PM
Correction, even the religion of I-Hate-Mormons deserves some respect…which is why I try to remain civil to you, Joe and Maverick.
Conservative Voice on May 5, 2009 at 8:26 PM
Thomas Jefferson, when informed that Noah Webster was compiling a standardized “spelling book,” commented, “I have no regard for a man who can spell a word but one way.”
As a lifelong editor/writer, I can assure all of you that grammar/spelling bashing makes you look crude, esp. when you are wrong. If preparing a text for publication, make the necessary changes and keep your mouth shut. Otherwise, just keep your mouth shut.
Chaz on May 5, 2009 at 8:26 PM
Yeah, that’s my take on it.
I’ve been exposed to some prejudice in my life, but I’ve always made it really clear to those spouting the nonsense that their theories about why a particular group couldn’t be trusted or whatever nutty thing they’re spouting is not welcome. Some moron called D.C. “chocolate town” in my presence — I told him off and left. I didn’t stay and listen to his bull and then disseminate his cr@p on a thread about a D.C. politician.
So I’m just wondering what our concerned conservative Mormon-lover did to persuade these bigots he’s hanging with to change their views?
Y-not on May 5, 2009 at 8:26 PM
No, no, no.
YOU are a troll.
And worse, you are a lying piece of dogpoop.
Give us the source where mormons “worship” the 12 church leaders.
Give us the source.
You are a liar. There is NO WAY in hell you were raised a mormon.
HA HA HA HA!!!
A Palin troll. A dishonest, lying Palin troll. That is what Porlandon is.
Still waiting for you to provide a source.
In fact, I tell you what, if you provide a source, I will leave HotAir forever…like I care anyway.
Provide the source, douche.
This is why I cant stand Palin…her pyscho fanatics are bad people.
Are you one of the guys who said he needed a cold shower after watching that video of Palin talking to some guy.
You disgust me, duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude.
The Wall on May 5, 2009 at 8:27 PM
Even President Obama, Nancy Pelosi, and other people I think are so off the wall deserves respect and applause when they say something right. Otherwise I am a hack. Something you should think about, or don’t call yourself a Christian or a Conservative.
Conservative Voice on May 5, 2009 at 8:27 PM
I don’t hate mormons. I just chose a different path. I served my mission. My family reunions look like a Stake conference. I have uncles who are stake presidents & bishops. My siblings are still mormon. It is a very family based church, and I love to see family members so happy.
Mormon bashing is wrong. Me calling out Wall by asking him in mormon terms (brother,relief society,mutual) if he is mormon is NOT bigoted.
portlandon on May 5, 2009 at 8:30 PM
Oh, this is getting better…
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Dude is a former mormon missionary…yet he thinks mormons “worship” their 12 church leaders.
As a former mormon missionary, it should be super easy for you to give us a source for that.
Dude, you are so obvious. What a clown.
The Wall on May 5, 2009 at 8:32 PM
portlandon on May 5, 2009 at 8:30 PM
I didn’t call you a bigot, rather I called you on ragging on a person who happens to be right on this issue, because you saw an opportunity to do so. When a person is right, then support it, otherwise you will be defaulted to be part of the camp of bigots you seem to be trying to distance yourself from from this 8:30 post.
Conservative Voice on May 5, 2009 at 8:33 PM
Translation: I hate women. I had a female boss that fired me. I don’t handle rejection well.
portlandon on May 5, 2009 at 8:34 PM
Hey everybody, I am a former mormon missionary and I chose a different path. I realize that the mormons are a real nice family people.
But, I chose a different path. After all, the mormons worship their 12 apostle leaders and they believe in sacrificing dogs and cats to the God of Mormon. I know this because I am a former mormon missionary who chose a different path.
I have nothing against mormons…like my brothers. But, I dont agree with how they believe that God is really a kangaroo living in Africa.
Well, gotta go now…I just saw a pic of Sarah Palin and I need a shower.
Signed,
Porlandon
The Wall on May 5, 2009 at 8:35 PM
Is it my imagination or does Jon Huntsman look like Shephard Smith of Fox News with gray hair?
Jill1066 on May 5, 2009 at 8:36 PM
Gov. Sanford was just on Hugh Hewitt’s show. He did a very nice job.
Cindy Munford on May 5, 2009 at 8:37 PM
Source, Portlandon, source…………
The Wall on May 5, 2009 at 8:37 PM
Thank you CV… I often have wondered how people can preach understanding and freedom out one side of their mouth and slam people who believe differently than they do out of the other side without seeing their hypocrisy.
“Everyone should be free to believe what they want!”*
*This statement is not valid if you disagree with my views. I will try to belittle you and be rude to you and tell you you’re an idiot if you disagree with me, you dang mormons and democrats and moderates and Palin-haters, etc etc. Can’t you see you’re all IDIOTS compared to me? You have NO RIGHT to believe what you believe without me bashing you and not listening to what you have to say!
Sounds like a TROLL to me… Joe Caps. That’s right! You’re a TROLL!
Anywho, The Wall, I think nitpicking grammar and spelling is not a good way of debating whether one is wrong or not (even if Joe Caps started it). Everyone makes mistakes, and I think it’s kind of demeaning to fall to arguing spelling and grammar. It’s like the “I’m smarter than you, so therefore I’m right.” argument… There are lots of smart people on all sides of any debate. I have an IQ of 145 and I’m Mormon… but that doesn’t mean I’m necessarily more right than Joe, who might have an IQ of 90 or something. However, Joe is obviously a bigot, irrespective of his IQ. And he has a right to believe what he wants, and I’m not going to slam his beliefs like he is mine. It’s obvious he doesn’t want a “smart” debate, he wants to be rude and goad people into being rude back so that he can “make a point”. Thank you for your defense, however. It’s always nice to see someone who’s not mormon defend my right to my own belief. :)
Also, sometimes I am not very good at grammar and sometimes I misspell things despite being “smart”. So I just don’t think it’s a good idea to argue it.
Which side has more smart people anyway? I’m not sure, but a lot of the 12 apostles for the LDS church have graduated from prestigious colleges (including Ivy League). I don’t see that as an argument for the LDS church or anything though, as a lot of pastors are pretty smart too and I’m sure some have graduated from Ivy League schools.
Christina D on May 5, 2009 at 8:37 PM
Provide one source Porlandon and I leave HotAir FOREVER.
Cmon dude you can do it. Do it for Sarah.
The Wall on May 5, 2009 at 8:37 PM
Time to get behind Romney.
notagool on May 5, 2009 at 5:57 PM
You go ahead,i’m sure there will be plenty of personal face time available for you.
heshtesh on May 5, 2009 at 8:37 PM
They gave me that book on the levels of worship, but said I had to promise not to tell or they would remove my spleen and kill my dog. (Sarcasm)
Give it up Wall. I owe you nothing. Do you own homework.
portlandon on May 5, 2009 at 8:37 PM
I agree…I usually dont attack people on spelling and grammar. But, the Maverick Muse’s absurd post was phony intellectualism..so thats why I did that one.
The other one…about mormans…was not really an attack on his spelling..but his point.
The Wall on May 5, 2009 at 8:39 PM
Your word means less than dog vomit. You had to say goodbye or Adieu 15 times yesterday and still couldn’t keep your word.
portlandon on May 5, 2009 at 8:40 PM
You and I BOTH know what happened here.
You were caught.
You are a lying tool, dude.
And you know it.
Go ahead and call me a troll..like you always do…but YOU are the troll and you are a liar. A former mormon missionary…..ha ha ha ha!
The Wall on May 5, 2009 at 8:41 PM
Transalation: “I got caught lying about being a former mormon and I am being cornered so I will just say that Wall is not going to keep his word. Oh how I wish I wasnt caught being a lying tool.”
The Wall on May 5, 2009 at 8:42 PM
This is why we can’t have nice things.
gwelf on May 5, 2009 at 8:43 PM
Wall,
You can’t be serious.
By the way….
of what two words are “can’t” a contraction?
Please spare me any specious arguments.
Saltysam on May 5, 2009 at 8:45 PM
In all honesty, and I am telling the truth, I am guessing you are about 15 or 16 years old.
The Wall on May 5, 2009 at 8:46 PM
What is your point, dude? Can’t is a word.
I am done arguing about that.
I just want all of HotAir to know that Porlandon is a troll who lies to justify his misinformation.
The Wall on May 5, 2009 at 8:47 PM
You can tell which Republicans or conservatives really make Democrats nervous. It’s the ones they try hardest to destroy.
tbrosz on May 5, 2009 at 8:49 PM
Wait, CV, I think I may misunderstand you here… the church put out an official statement saying:
“The Church does not object to rights for same-sex couples regarding hospitalization and medical care, fair housing and employment rights, or probate rights, so long as these do not infringe on the integrity of the traditional family or the constitutional rights of churches.”
I think they have to do civil unions to do that sort of thing properly… so it sounds like the church is sort of ok with civil unions, as long as churches aren’t affected, etc. Or at least they are neutral as far as civil unions go.
But yes, as you said, we worship Jesus Christ, and not the twelve apostles any more than a Christian worships Peter, James and John (portlandon, you should know this if you were LDS properly). You do have believe that they are prophets, but they are still men and aren’t perfect, and we are told that in church. However, salvation and redemption still only comes through Jesus Christ and His sacrifice for us.
Christina D on May 5, 2009 at 8:49 PM
Christina D on May 5, 2009 at 8:49 PM
“do not infringe on the integrity of the traditional family or the constitutional rights of churches.”
is where I was coming from. But thank you for posting the official statement.
Conservative Voice on May 5, 2009 at 8:54 PM
NO, you have it all wrong Christina. You guys worship the 12 apostles. Portlandon told us so…and he is a former mormon missionary. You know…those guys on bikes. And he will give us a source to that very soon. /sarc.
The Wall on May 5, 2009 at 8:55 PM
Christina D on May 5, 2009 at 8:49 PM
It was my understanding that Huntsman went beyond the Church’s position…since I live in Hawaii…I will admit I am not totally up on the fine print with Utah politics.
Conservative Voice on May 5, 2009 at 8:58 PM
Huntsman, et al doesn’t matter because looking around on this thread we’ll just fight each other and let the Leftists win…again.
Dr. ZhivBlago on May 5, 2009 at 9:08 PM
It is possible, Wall, that it’s been so long since portlandon’s been to church that he just doesn’t remember properly. Or it’s possible that he has been talking to one of the many anti-mormon pastors who like to pull stuff like that out of non-connected verses in the BOM, POGP, etc… regardless of whether or not we teach it or have ever taught it or if the verse actually means that. By golly, if one verse in our scriptures might possibly skewed to mean something, it MUST be WHAT WE BELIEVE! At least, this is what I have experienced growing up in Oregon. Lest anyone think I am a “blind Utah Mormon”, I was raised in Oregon and had plenty of challenges to my beliefs growing up and didn’t go to church for a while while I figured out what was true.
Portlandon was probably a missionary who went just because he was “supposed” too rather than because he felt it was right or anything. It happens. I know people who have done that because of pressure from their families. I don’t agree with families who do that, but it does occur. And sometimes it makes the person a bit resentful. *shrug* I don’t think there is a reason to doubt his claim and I don’t think that there is a reason to ridicule him either, Wall, he’s been very respectful… more than I can say for Ol’ Joe.
Christina D on May 5, 2009 at 9:09 PM
Oahu, dude??
The Wall on May 5, 2009 at 9:09 PM
I really dont think he is over 15 or 16 years old.
Based on his posts in this thread and all the other threads where he calls on non-Palin worshippers “trolls”, he is either a little kid or a (expletive).
The Wall on May 5, 2009 at 9:12 PM
Not to me, he hasnt. He is always one of the first geeks in my face when I mention one of Palin’s many faults.
Since he hasnt even tried to provide a source, I believe that he is just a bold faced liar..he was never a mormon missionary. He is Palin troll and a lying liar who tells lies like a lying liar or something.
The Wall on May 5, 2009 at 9:14 PM
The Wall on May 5, 2009 at 9:09 PM
The Big Island, Hawaii. Are you from Hawaii? With all the “dude” I would place you close to California ;)
( I grew up in Northern California )
Its nice and all, but conservatives are definitely underground here.
Conservative Voice on May 5, 2009 at 9:15 PM
Just spitballing here, but maybe his point was your assertion that “Cannot” is never written as “can not.”
Now that you’re “super smart” bubble has been popped, you’ve decided you’re “done arguing about that” and moved on to speculating about his age. Probably wrong about that too, troll.
cs89 on May 5, 2009 at 9:18 PM
No, I live in socal. I go to Maui and sometimes Oahu once a year for vacation.
I use to go to Oahu all the time on business. Unfortunately not anymore.
I have been to the big island a few times on business only…never been to the Hilo side.
I love Hawaii but people I know who live there seem to have mixed reactions.
The Wall on May 5, 2009 at 9:18 PM
Al Franken? Aren’t you kind of busy in Minnesota or something?
cs89 on May 5, 2009 at 9:19 PM
I’m not going to throw my lot in with the anti-Mormon brigade; debating religion is pointless because it’s an unwinnable arguement. My point is that one shouldn’t be labelled a bigot for mentioning that a candidate’s religion could hurt him at the ballot box, whatever his politics.
I’d vote for a Mormon presidential candidate that had the same priorities that I do in a heartbeat; however there are those who wouldn’t. In terms of electability, it at least has to be considered if for no other reason than to soften resistance to voting for such a candidate.
Hollowpoint on May 5, 2009 at 9:20 PM
Wow…what a troll you are.
You seem more absorbed and upset by the issue of “can not” vs. “cannot” then you are that one of your main Palin-goon allies just got caught telling a huge ass whopper.
Oh thats right…Palintology requires that you cover for each other and stick up for each other…I forgot, sorry.
The Wall on May 5, 2009 at 9:20 PM
I agree with that completely. I am of the opinion that the only reason Romney wasnt nominated was the 20% or so of the party wouldnt vote for a mormon. The flip flop argument was a fig leaf.
The Wall on May 5, 2009 at 9:23 PM
There were all sorts of billboards here in Utah with that quote after they said it, trying to get Utah to vote for some equal rights legislation this last time around (died before it got anywhere). It sounds like the church is ambivalent on the civil unions issue, just like they are on the “who to vote for for president” issue every year. “The church does not endorse…” “Prayerfully consider the candidates” etc. :) Knowing some mormon democrats/moderates, they can still be in line with church teachings while voting for civil unions, Obama, etc. because the church basically only has a definite opinion on legislation when it is infringing upon religious rights/freedoms or is something like abortion, where lives are at stake. Civil unions don’t necessarily infringe on church rights or on our belief that the only marriage should be between a man and a woman.
I would vote for civil unions, most likely, if they were introduced on the ballot as long as it is VERY clear and VERY well written that churches are NOT obligated to perform them if they don’t want to. I believe that these people have a right to do what they want, as long as they’re not hurting anyone but themselves. Justice will be meted out by God in whatever way He sees fit.
Christina D on May 5, 2009 at 9:27 PM
Hollowpoint on May 5, 2009 at 9:20 PM
It is pointless to argue over religion, since nothing can be proved one way or the other. That said though, I don’t think Republicans, or Democrats, or whatever party should give second thoughts on who they should put up as their man, because of their religion.
Are there people who won’t vote for old people…yes. Are there people who won’t vote for someone who doesn’t have “experience”. Yes. Are there people who won’t vote for a woman or a person of color, or a …you get the point. No matter who is brought up, there are going to be people who are shallow and narrow minded. I say bring on a Conservative Black Mormon Woman! ( I hate identity politics, but it would be fun exposing people’s bigotry — I would vote if she was a conservative, everything else doesn’t matter ).
Conservative Voice on May 5, 2009 at 9:27 PM
Christina D on May 5, 2009 at 9:27 PM
Agreed, though I hesitate when it involves adoptions.
Conservative Voice on May 5, 2009 at 9:28 PM
The Wall on May 5, 2009 at 9:20 PM
Don’t know Portlandon, read some of his stuff. What was the “whopper” he got caught in? That he was a missionary? You don’t know if he was or not.
As to “Can’t,” it’s just part of your well-established pattern here. You put on airs of superiority, claim that anyone who doesn’t agree with your assessment of Palin is “dumb,” then when you’re wrong (today it’s “can’t,” could pull up many other examples if I wanted to take the time) you blow it off and jump to the next topic.
Oh, and the Mormon issue may have hurt Romney, but his problem was he couldn’t get enough people excited about voting for him even when he was flooding the airwaves. It’s up to him if he wants to burn a few million trying again.
cs89 on May 5, 2009 at 9:31 PM
As a Utahn and a conservative, I really like Jon Huntsman. To me he’s a much more appealing candidate than Romney.
packsoldier on May 5, 2009 at 9:36 PM
Those whom the Democrats fear they attack, relentlessly. See: Miss. California, Governor Palin, etc…
29Victor on May 5, 2009 at 9:37 PM
Bringing up the argument that some people won’t vote for someone because they’re Mormon doesn’t make you a bigot. It’s true that people consider religion whether or not they should and stating that fact is fine. Being like Joe and saying “People won’t vote for Huntsman because some Mormons killed people once, a century ago. Now here’s some anti-mormon links.” is bigotry.
If an atheist that aligned exactly with your political beliefs and had a record of following those political ideals ran for president as a democrat or republican or independent, would you vote for him still in all three party situations? It is a possibility, you know. The question is, though, are you unbigoted enough to vote for that candidate? If so, then I commend you. :) I’m 99% positive that I would, as long as he didn’t like cheat on his wife and was unsavory in that sort of way. I think that’s the real bigotry test. ;)
Christina D on May 5, 2009 at 9:37 PM
I think you assume I “blow it off” when in reality
1) A sensical argument against my point hasnt been made yet
2) I am bored stiff by people like you.
3) I am employed.
As far as Palin goes, I am in Allah’s camp…its not that Palin is so bad, its just that I am against her cult.
You and Porlandon are always among the first people to jump in and go miles and miles to make stupid justifications for Palin’s weankesses…including her lack of knowledge. I am pretty sure you are one of those geniuses that calls all non-cultists “trolls”…which is just Palin-speak.
The Wall on May 5, 2009 at 9:40 PM
But does he believe in evolution? That is the most important question.
jsulman on May 5, 2009 at 9:41 PM
The Wall on May 5, 2009 at 9:40 PM
Not an assumption, a demonstrated fact. You’ve had multiple instances here of making a point, being proven wrong, and ignoring it. But whatever.
So you’re in “Allah’s camp,” huh? Haven’t seen you or Poptech in the Greenroom, despite all the pitiful begging when it was announced….
cs89 on May 5, 2009 at 9:47 PM
Based on the number of comments, I dont think many people are going to the green room…I dont go there.
See what I mean? Your little “ooh oooh you and Poptech were begging to go there” is so boring. Most people caught on that we were joking….you didnt catch it because, yes, you are dumb.
So, you bored me and you are dumb so now I will respond in typical fashion and will bid your pathetic moronic ass adeiu.
The Wall on May 5, 2009 at 9:50 PM
I vote for option three, you can always count on Rush to fall for it like a fat kid on a cupcake
Squid Shark on May 5, 2009 at 9:51 PM
The one they say they fear is always the Democrat mole they want Republicans to nominate. The head of the Democrat Party in Pennsylvania was quoted as saying that they pray every night they don’t have to face Specter shortly before welcoming him to the Democrat Party and making him their candidate.
Buddahpundit on May 5, 2009 at 10:00 PM
Says the psycho fanatic Mittbot. Face it, The Wall, you have the mentality of the O-bots. As soon as you realize that fact, we can all be at peace and you can hang out at DU or HuffPo and rip Palin all you want.
ddrintn on May 5, 2009 at 10:06 PM
As far as Palin goes, I am in Allah’s camp…its not that
And I’m against the Cult of Mitt–you know, that tiny band of hardy souls (maybe a band of one or two?) who feel that to defend their Hero, and to avenge the dastardly way he was treated by Huckabee and those bigoted anti-Mormons who were the only ones standing between their Hero and the White House, they have to tear down Sarah Palin.
ddrintn on May 5, 2009 at 10:14 PM
Pretty long comment for
and no, most people didn’t think you’re pathetic multiple “pick me!” posts were in jest.
cs89 on May 5, 2009 at 10:16 PM
I call B.S.
Palin is the one they fear the most and they will never admit it
lwssdd on May 5, 2009 at 10:21 PM
For someone who’s such a stickler for just the right expression and spelling, “sensical” sounds kind of weird.
ddrintn on May 5, 2009 at 10:23 PM
I honestly don’t think they fear Palin, merely because she is such a polarizing figure. They know that she’ll never catch on with the dems and so won’t win.
Personally, I don’t want Palin to be in office because she is not very good at explaining herself. She has good policies for the most part, but I am sorry… I don’t want someone out there that can’t give a satisfactory explanation for WHY they are doing something and who can’t stand up for their policies well.
I don’t know who I’ll support at this point, but Jindal seems like a good bet right now to me.
Christina D on May 5, 2009 at 10:56 PM
Sure they do. The most polarizing figure of my lifetime was Reagan, if not Obama. If they weren’t afraid of her, there would be no need for sliming.
Jindal’s a great guy wkith a very bright future. But when the media’s through with him, you’ll probably be off his bandwagon as well. He’s also “too polarizing”.
ddrintn on May 5, 2009 at 11:02 PM
I think Palin would appeal to conservative democrats. Her problem is with urban democrats.
Y-not on May 5, 2009 at 11:11 PM
It doesn’t bother me that Palin’s polarizing, that’s not why I don’t want to vote for her. I will vote for whomever aligns best with my political ideals and can strongly represent them to the country whether they’re considered “viable” in the general election or not. I’m iffy on Jindal though too, I need to see him more. One of the reasons I liked Mitt Romney was because he is really good at explaining himself.
What I really want is a spitfire person who gets things done, explains themselves well and bites people when they’re being idiots. Yeah!
Christina D on May 5, 2009 at 11:25 PM
ddrintn on May 5, 2009 at 11:02 PM
Plenty of Democrats voted for Reagan. GWB was a lot more polarizing.
thecountofincognito on May 5, 2009 at 11:27 PM
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