Obama campaign manager: I fear Jon Huntsman the most in 2012
posted at 5:10 pm on May 5, 2009 by Allahpundit
Jon Huntsman, the Utah governor who’s positioned himself as the moderate GOP alternative in 2012 by coming out in favor of civil unions? The RINO-in-chief, in other words?
While no republican presidential candidate yet makes Obama’s team “shake in {their} shoes…,” President Obama’s campaign manager, David Plouffe, now says Governor Jon Huntsman makes him, a “wee bit queasy…I think he’s really out there speaking a lot of truth about the direction of the party.”
To which Kirk Jowers of the University of Utah’s Hinckley Institute of Politics says, “Huntsman has positioned himself in a great place right now because he is the only presidential candidate really running in the middle right now.”
Huntsman spent the weekend in Michigan which is a key G.O.P. primary state.
And Jowers – who has advised three republican presidential candidates – says Huntsman has now, “…become a top five candidate for 2012.”
Reportedly he’s also being advised by former McCain guru John Weaver. Three possible motives for Plouffe to say what he said:
1. It’s true: Huntsman really does make him nervous.
2. Reverse psychology: Huntsman doesn’t make him nervous, but if enough dopey Republicans think he does, maybe they’ll nominate him and it’ll be an easy kill for The One.
3. Reverse reverse psychology: Huntsman does make him nervous, in which case it’s important to kneecap him as soon as possible. Plouffe, being no dummy, knows that Rush et al. will simply assume that he’s practicing briar-patch reverse psychology and will immediately start to tear Huntsman down as a scarecrow whom the Dems would love to face, thereby demonizing him among the Republican base and ruining his chances before the campaign even begins.
Which is it? Also, how does Huntsman hope to capture the nomination with the base favoring a return to Reaganism as the solution to Hopenchange? Presumably his strategy is 2008 redux: Count on Palin, Romney, Huck, and maybe Sanford splitting the social cons amongst themselves while winning all the Brooksian center-rightists for himself. I hope he does run; I’m curious to see just how many of those Brooksians there are.
Update: Ambinder thinks Plouffe is on the level and that Huntsman’s for real, given the early primaries in moderate-leaning states like New Hampshire and Florida. That’s super, but how does Huntsman challenge Obama in the general with who knows how many Christian conservatives staying home out of objection to a nominee who supports civil unions (and who happens to be Mormon)? Are we sure Plouffe doesn’t want to face him?
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Mormons are very good people, I have nothing against Huntsman’s religion. But the political reality is that a mormon will never win in the Baptist Deep South, which are must-win states for any potential GOP nominee in the Electoral College. Unfair as it may be, Romney or Huntsman would lose a general election based on their religion alone.
And while Romney at least display some conservative traits (albeit with questionable political history), Huntsman is a certified RINO for all intent and purposes.
Norwegian on May 5, 2009 at 5:49 PM
Mormons are almost always really great, genuine people, and frankly I wouldn’t care if Romney had six wives and spoke in tongues if it meant getting the communist in chief out of the white house.
anniekc on May 5, 2009 at 5:49 PM
Are his boobs fake?
lorien1973 on May 5, 2009 at 5:50 PM
Another day, another criticism. i never bring good news AP, but I don’t think we’ll know next primary how many of the GOP are conservative versus Brooksian-moderate slime. Why you ask? Always so inquisitive. Because just like last election the crazy left will flood our unregulated primaries in every state and vote for the most leftist moderate McCain puke contending for the GOP nomination. We’ll see which candidate the Acorn criminals endorse, but that is all the primaries will tell. We can’t view the GOP as a serious party until they get serious about their primary process.
chicagojedi on May 5, 2009 at 5:50 PM
The Winner!
TugboatPhil on May 5, 2009 at 5:50 PM
RINOs have been so helpful to the Republican party after all.
kirkill on May 5, 2009 at 5:51 PM
They fear who they attack attack attack attack attack.
Wonder who that might be?
But this is a story for two years down the road.
Now, 2010 is the thing.
profitsbeard on May 5, 2009 at 5:41 PM
I agree.
Who have they attacked relentlessly and constantly?
PALIN PALIN PALIN
The real fear is right in front of your noses.
dddave on May 5, 2009 at 5:52 PM
mormon
TTheoLogan on May 5, 2009 at 5:53 PM
LOL.
Theworldisnotenough on May 5, 2009 at 5:54 PM
This is a feint. The man’s a RINO.
Remember what they did (and are still doing to) Palin? She’s the one they truly fear.
Chaz706 on May 5, 2009 at 5:54 PM
Huntsman the GOP nominee? Of which rump nation?
Dusty on May 5, 2009 at 5:54 PM
Would have dismissed such talk a year ago, but now agree. Best way for the Republican Party to end its 150-year history with a whimper would be to divorce itself from the only people who in any significant numbers are interested in it.
Don’t want to dis Huntsman because I don’t know much about him except that my friend in Utah thinks he’s doing alright, but a trusted, articulate, telegenic, marginally sane conservative running on the Birthday Party ticket could out-poll Dole-McCain redux. Even if he or she didn’t the first time out, by 2016 or 2020 Republicans of significance might be as scarce as Whigs.
As for civil unions, I think if they’re civil, we should negotiate with them, but as soon as they start that “people united will never be defeated” crap we should just let them go on strike.
CK MacLeod on May 5, 2009 at 5:54 PM
So he isnt a big government social nanny-stater? Thats good right there.
Interesting how many Republicans who will defer to siding with personal freedom, get labled RINOs.
Since when did one have to be for big government in our lives in order to be a true Republican and not a RINO?
firepilot on May 5, 2009 at 5:54 PM
I was not smearing mormons. I was merely suggesting that the antipathy towards mormons in the US goes beyond the FLDS. You can’t just pretend like the mormons have a peachy-keen history here in the US. That’s called denial.
By the way, the book is not a hack job. That’s what the church leadership want you to think because it talks about the stuff you like to pretend did not happen.
BY THE WAY I AM NOT ANTI-MORMON. I am not one of these people who dislike the religion because of their past. ALL I AM SAYING IS THEY DO EXIST.
Joe Caps on May 5, 2009 at 5:55 PM
Sort of like when they said McCain would be their biggest fear….
wink, wink, wink — how is that briar patch?
The ones they are trying to destroy are the REAL ones they fear (i.e., Palin)
stenwin77 on May 5, 2009 at 5:56 PM
he splits the Romney vote.
Romney is the one they fear because he is squeeky clean, pro-business, articulate, smart, rich and hey, if a moderate pretending arabic-speaking terrorist-sympathiser communist can get elected, why not a Mormon who actually has a brain instead of a TOTUS.
Time to get behind Romney.
notagool on May 5, 2009 at 5:57 PM
Forgive the analogy, but I’ve observed similar phenomena at places where I’ve worked that happen to have a lot of gays on staff. The workplaces become very “gay friendly.”
I think that when you’re a member of a cultural minority and you find yourself in a situation where you are no longer in the minority it becomes a little more natural to express yourself through your business dealings. As long as it doesn’t become discriminatory, I don’t see a problem.
Here’s CATO’s summary on Huntsman:
Y-not on May 5, 2009 at 5:57 PM
It’s interesting, actually.
Romney ran and ultimately lost as a conservative candidate to McCain. Huntsman is running as a moderate, thereby hoping to avoid Romney’s fate.
What Huntsman failed to realize is that the objections to Romney were twofold, basically: religious ones, and “flipflop” ones. Few people I debated had much truck with Romney on policy, aside from the occasional spiel about Romney not saying enough conservative stuff. No, the knock was that Romney was a RINO in sheep’s clothing. A trust issue, mostly. If people believed Romney’s words, they didn’t have an issue.
Then the Mormon issue. Some people won’t vote for a Mormon except if they are in chains, and probably not then.
Huntsman is concluding that Romney was too Conservative sounding and going that way. We got a taste of McCain style moderatism, and we hate it. Romney just has to overcome the trust issue, and his policies sound great. Huntsman is barking up the wrong tree. I don’t know of any groundswell of support for him, unlike Romney got.
Remember, Romney got attention because he stood up for federalism and fought the gay mafia in Massachusetts. He also balanced a state budget run by liberals. Huntsman basically lets his GOP state legislature do most of the job.
Vanceone on May 5, 2009 at 5:58 PM
There are Catholics here in NJ whom are conservative and held their nose and voted for McCain, whom refuse to vote for a Mormon.
I don’t get it, but Huntsman is too much of a moderate for my liking.
I want a conservative to fix the socialist’s mess.
jencab on May 5, 2009 at 5:58 PM
No.
portlandon on May 5, 2009 at 5:58 PM
Democratic Taqqiya.
He doesn’t fear him. Wants us to think he fears him so we support him.
blatantblue on May 5, 2009 at 6:01 PM
If “Christian conservatives” don’t do everything in their power to de-elect the Obamessiah, they aren’t very Christian or conservative.
Speedwagon82 on May 5, 2009 at 6:02 PM
It’s hard to see what Huntsman brings that Romney doesn’t have. In fact, maybe this is Plouffe’s way of trying to neutralize Romney, who is, arguably anyway, a stronger candidate.
Infidoll on May 5, 2009 at 6:03 PM
I have to say that I grew up in Maryland and have lived a number of places throughout the south, midwest, northeast, and west and I have never detected any hostility toward the LDS with the exception of two “groups”: gay marriage advocates and evangelical Christians. I really don’t think that being a Mormon is seen as a handicap to most people. From an historical standpoint, I would no more hold their history against current Mormons than I would resent a Brit for trying to starve my ancestors.
Y-not on May 5, 2009 at 6:03 PM
McCain did not lost moderates because he wasn’t moderate enough. He lost them because he acted like he was half in the grave after the Republican primaries ended.
Speedwagon82 on May 5, 2009 at 6:04 PM
Oh, and Joe Caps? It’s still a hack job. I don’t deny that the massacre happened, but trying to put the blame on all Mormons and the church of the time is a total falsity.
But that’s not important to this discussion: random anti-Mormon smears in a thread that had none demonstrate what you are. Yes, I know that there is a lot of anti_mormon stuff out there. Believe me, I know. It’s because of people like you who never miss a chance to bash the church that it continues.
Economically speaking, Huntsman has done okay on taxes. Spending, though, not really. Utah does need some serious spending stuff, but I give credit to the legislature more than anything for our fiscal responsibility. Huntsman can’t really take credit for anything, since our state legislature usually tries to do a good job fiscally. They started whacking the budget a year ago–real cuts, too. Unlike most states, they have cut spending a large amount here. That’s not Huntsman.
Vanceone on May 5, 2009 at 6:04 PM
“Huntsman is a keyboard player. Huntsman also joined REO Speedwagon on the piano for two songs during their concert at the Utah State Fair on September 16, 2005.”
Alright. He is an REO Speedwagon freak. He’s done.
Maybe He and Huckabee could tour together.
portlandon on May 5, 2009 at 6:04 PM
Wow. Everyone in my family and extended family is Catholic, most from the middle Atlantic states and the Northeast, and we were never taught anything negative about Mormons. In fact, I don’t recall every spending any time critiquing other people’s religions.
Y-not on May 5, 2009 at 6:05 PM
Right now, it doesn’t matter who the Republicans are going to run against Obama.
Anybody notice that little economic fuel called, ‘gasoline’. Price increased by $.20/Gal. in the last week here in Corncob Country.
Obama is about to hit a really bumpy spot in the road. No jobs, high fuel prices, inflation. Fecal matter is about to hit the fan.
PappaMac on May 5, 2009 at 6:07 PM
Yeah, in my days growing up in North Texas, before I became one of those agnostic heatherns, I went to a Southern Baptist church. (First Baptist in Wichita Falls).
I remember one time in Sunday school, where we were told about not even associating with Mormons.
There are a lot of Mormons who I would not vote for, since in this part of the country (southern Idaho), some of those Mormons are heavy on social laws, and I do not agree with that.
But I would have no problem with voting for a Mormon or anyone else for that matter who does not want to have to tell me what I can drink or do in my bedroom.
firepilot on May 5, 2009 at 6:08 PM
They also liked Huckafraud to
karasoth on May 5, 2009 at 6:08 PM
BY THE WAY I AM NOT ANTI-MORMON. I am not one of these people who dislike the religion because of their past. ALL I AM SAYING IS THEY DO EXIST.
Joe Caps on May 5, 2009 at 5:55 PM
Then why bring it up Joe? You aren’t fooling anyone. Attack Huntsman on his merits, not his religion or so called history of Mormons written by anti-Mormons.
John Huntsman I’m sure is a decent fellow, but not much different from McCain. I doubt he would win a third term in Utah.
Conservative Voice on May 5, 2009 at 6:09 PM
Who cares what he thinks?
Who here can say they can easily identify the political landsape in fall of 2011? What Plouffe is concerned about is the economy. This is more disinformation anything to keep America’s mind off of the economy.
Theworldisnotenough on May 5, 2009 at 6:09 PM
That’s kinda’ sad.
If a Catholic priest (or nun) taught something like that in Catechism class they should be reported to their Bishop and sanctioned.
Y-not on May 5, 2009 at 6:10 PM
That’s not the point. Democrats and the media always play up someone they either think they can beat, or they know will vote with them as “dangerous” and “someone to fear” come election time.
Essentially, if the dems say they fear him, don’t vote for him.
darwin on May 5, 2009 at 6:10 PM
If he is on the right side of the fence with everything else I think he would have a decent chance. Might make a better Veep though…
Is it just me or does he look like an older version of the Johnny Cab guy from Total Recall?
Gatsu on May 5, 2009 at 6:12 PM
Maybe Arlen Specter will switch back to an R in a few years and then the Dems can say they REALLY REALLY fear him in 2012?
Obama only actually fears just one or two “journalists” in the MSM finally shaking off their O-self-hypnosis and saying: “Whiskey Tango Foxtrot! Where’s America?!”
profitsbeard on May 5, 2009 at 6:12 PM
I have the true and correct answer to this question! It is a complete waste of time for Plouffe to strategize as you suggest–unless your opponents are complete and utter idiots. The right thing to do is to consider Plouffe’s opinion utterly meaningless. It’s like asking a diehard NASCAR fan who watches no sport besides NASCAR questions about an obscure soccer match in Romania.
thuja on May 5, 2009 at 6:13 PM
Do you honestly think they would say that if it were true. Another head fake.
eaglesdontflock on May 5, 2009 at 6:13 PM
Bwahahaha!
Y-not on May 5, 2009 at 6:14 PM
LOL!
profitsbeard on May 5, 2009 at 6:15 PM
Yeah.
Or put a light blue tie on him and from a distance he looks a little bit like the devil from Reaper.
Y-not on May 5, 2009 at 6:16 PM
John McCain, except younger and with executive experience.
Yeah, that’s exactly what we need.
It's Vintage, Duh on May 5, 2009 at 6:16 PM
Time to give up on anyone on a listening tour.
Angry Dumbo on May 5, 2009 at 6:18 PM
Dole- media wanted
McCain- media wanted
W- media didn’t want
What do Dole and McCain have in commen? What did W do in his two elections?
lavell12 on May 5, 2009 at 6:19 PM
Oh this is hilarious.
Plouffe just wants to make use of all that expensive anti-Mormon polling, advertising, and robocall scripts he had ready to use against Mitt Romney. I was told the Obama campaign spent $7 million on this stuff because they were so sure Romney would be on the GOP ticket, either at the top or the bottom. One reason the Reverend Wright stuff scared them so badly was because they had their own attack-his-religion campaign ready to roll out.
They are DYING to run against a Mormon.
rockmom on May 5, 2009 at 6:26 PM
Maybe you’re too young to remember it, but the media gave W gobs of free exposure. Negative exposure is just as good as positive (it rallys the troops.. see Palin, Prejean, McCain, etc).
You don’t get elected to federal office unless the media wants it.
popularpeoplesfront on May 5, 2009 at 6:29 PM
Oh. Well, if Ambinder says so…
Jim Treacher on May 5, 2009 at 6:31 PM
Thanks for the link. I don’t think support for civil unions makes someone a RINO. According to the CATO report, Huntsman has reduced taxes, BUT
That looks like he is not a fiscal conservative, which qualifies him as a RINO.
Loxodonta on May 5, 2009 at 6:32 PM
By all means let’s let Obamas campaign manager pick our canadate. Great Idea
kangjie on May 5, 2009 at 6:32 PM
Easily, option 2.
I’m in Utah and have been in the State the entire time he’s been Governor. The guy is to the left of McCain. He is also not a compelling speaker and would make a terrible candidate.
Don’t do it!
batter on May 5, 2009 at 6:37 PM
NO NO NO NO NO.
No.
And, NO. NO MORE McCAIN. NO MORE. NO. NO MORE MODERATE CANDIDATES. NONONONONO. NO.
No.
Mommypundit on May 5, 2009 at 6:38 PM
This is a set up.. When the O team says they are SCARED of a GOP gov.. Give me a break.. I don’t believe ANYTHING the O admin tells us.. NOTHING>
reshas1 on May 5, 2009 at 6:38 PM
I hate our primary schedule.
Tim Burton on May 5, 2009 at 6:39 PM
Why would anyone believe what any democrat, especially one connected to Obama says?
darwin on May 5, 2009 at 6:41 PM
Civil Unions? I don’t care for them but it’s not a deal breaker for me. I don’t mind moderate Republicans as long as they have a spine and are willing to nominate justices like Roberts and Scalia to the courts. There is a difference between a principled moderate and a spineless RINO.
I have to learn more of Huntsmans positions before I bash him in any way. I could care less what someone from the Obama camp has to say. The only thing that slightly concerns me about Huntsman is that he is a moderate from a Conservative state. How much more “moderate” would he become in a general election?
Daemonocracy on May 5, 2009 at 6:42 PM
This is the first time I’ve even heard this guy’s name. I wouldn’t disqualify him on the basis of his civil union stance, but there’s a lot more I’d want to know. Someone commented that he has an Obama-like smoothness. That’s a little scary, but we’ve got plenty of time to learn more.
Dee2008 on May 5, 2009 at 6:44 PM
Yes, I saw that. So he was good on taxes but not on spending.
I haven’t researched the guy, and it’s far too early (for me) to pick a front-runner, but I guess I could imagine a set of circumstances in which a state’s spending might go up that might not necessarily be because of RINO policies. If, for example, Utah had a lot of infrastructure projects that needed doing… that sort of thing.
Y-not on May 5, 2009 at 6:45 PM
BARFOMATIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Anyone involved with the McCain campaign staff needs to be looked at with a suspicious eye. I for one think Steve Schmidt needs to defect ASAP! Go with Arlen Steve and take Nicole Wallace with you! The Obama Gang/Mafia members are not afraid of anyone that is a RINO because they know we will be frustrated and most will stay at home.
I second all here that say it is Palin they fear. Hell, the GOP fears Palin. I would champion her for that reason alone! The same goes for Sanford and DeMint. All three of these scare the pants off both the libtard Fascists, and the GOP Establishment. I wish she would not join this cabal of b.s. She needs to leave McCain et al behind and carve her own path.
freeus on May 5, 2009 at 6:46 PM
Ditto … they attack her constantly, tell us she’s the dumbest ditz on the planet yet they just can’t explain why they keep attacking her if she’s such a ditz.
darwin on May 5, 2009 at 6:49 PM
SInce this is coming from someone connected to The One I think you can automatically rule out option 1 that he’s telling the truth.
Stephen Macklin on May 5, 2009 at 6:51 PM
I don’t see how a 10% increase in government spending per capita per year is sustainable, and it’s not being fiscally responsible. It sounds more like California.
Given our national situation, we need someone who can reduce taxes and reduce spending to reduce debt.
Loxodonta on May 5, 2009 at 6:52 PM
Think more along the lines of programs. Huge increases in Ed funding, government programs (including all day kindergarden…or as I prefer to call it: taxpayer funded child care).
Don’t forget, there were some large budget surpluses. Did they return the money to taxpayers. No. It was spent.
That should give you an indication on his views regarding government and spending. From what I have seen, he is also an amnesty proponent.
batter on May 5, 2009 at 6:53 PM
Actually I think John Kerry has the lock on the 2012 Presidential campaign.
This is actually useful to whom?
I bet when Friday’s jobs report hits things will be popping.
tarpon on May 5, 2009 at 6:53 PM
freeus on May 5, 2009 at 6:46 PM
Agreed, the one thing Palin has going for her is the establishment fear her. Still would like to hear her explain away cap and trade and accepting the stimulus money.
I’m a bit disenfranchised with just about everyone, but at the moment, Palin has my attention because of her enemies. An enemy of my enemy, is a friend.
Conservative Voice on May 5, 2009 at 6:55 PM
Yes, you are an anti-mormon and those 2 books you recommended are total hack jobs.
One of the books is about fundamentalists who broke off the church…so what does that have to do with Mormons…that isnt even their sect.
The other book is a badly written re-hash of the Mountain Meadows Massacre. There are some books on the Mountain Meadows Massacre that were reviewed and highly recommended by historical associations which are unaffiliated with the Mormons. In fact, recently a mormon historian wrote a book on the massacre that won various book club awards and was seen as actually adding new info and being very unbiased.
Dude, go back to your basement of hate. You suck.
The Wall on May 5, 2009 at 6:56 PM
My greatest fear is that the Democrats will dump Obama in 2012 and replace him with Biden.
Loxodonta on May 5, 2009 at 6:56 PM
Well, that doesn’t sound good.
I was hoping it was roads, bridges, dams, and other infrastructure projects that were either long-overdue or designed to attract business.
Y-not on May 5, 2009 at 6:57 PM
You are so laaaame. Mountain meadows massacre was a town that decided to go against the LDS teachings and kill some people. Horrible, but certainly not representative of the vast majority of LDS at the time. There is significant evidence that says that Brigham Young didn’t know anything about it until afterwards, not to mention the people involved were all excommunicated from the church afterwards. It’s pretty much the only history of unprovoked violence from our people EVER. So… whatever dude. Wikipedia is not so infallible as you might think. Especially if people like you are editing it.
As you can tell from our response to the prop 8 supporters destroying our property, etc. we are so into fighting back and terrorizing/destroying people who wrong us… or not. We preach turning the other cheek and we do turn the other cheek in most cases. That doesn’t mean that EVERYONE who’s mormon does, but the vast majority do. But keep believing what you want to believe… we try our best to make the world a better place and be nice to everyone and be like Jesus, but there are still people like you who love to try and dirty our names and make us sound like horrible people. I wonder if you had some ancestors in the mobs that burned our homes to the ground and raped our women and made it open season to kill a mormon on sight, man, woman or child, just because of their religion.
Talk about oppression. You would have thought there would have been a full scale war of our members against those mobs if we really preached violence back then, my friend, but you’ll find it’s not so.
Speaking of bad histories, if you’re a christian of any sort, didn’t the predecessors of your church participate in the crusades etc under the “blessing” of God? Haven’t various members of christian faiths gone off the deep end and committed heinous acts in the name of God? I believe you’ll find the answer is “Yes”. Does that make Christian faiths any less true or viable in your eyes? No? Well, stop being a hypocrite then.
Christina D on May 5, 2009 at 7:00 PM
Lefties are pretty clear on why they keep attacking her. They think she is a redneck no-nothing Jesus freak who got the job because Alaskans are too dumb to care about things like Harvard educations etc. They also think she wants to outlaw abortion and put black people in camps.
Speedwagon82 on May 5, 2009 at 7:00 PM
No. Just no.
therightwinger on May 5, 2009 at 7:03 PM
This is just a blatant attempt by Democrats to sucker Republicans into nominating their choice for an opposing candidate: someone the Left is confident they can beat.
This is the old Bre’r Rabbit ploy, aka the “please don’t throw me in the briar patch” gambit.
They succeeded once in suckering Republicans into nominating the unelectable “pseudo-Republican” John McCain. Hopefully today’s Republicans will not be dumb enough to fall for this ploy again.
landlines on May 5, 2009 at 7:03 PM
Allahpundit,
I vote all of the above three choices.
maverick muse on May 5, 2009 at 7:07 PM
landlines on May 5, 2009 at 7:03 PM
Precisely.
maverick muse on May 5, 2009 at 7:07 PM
They know better, but just get off on being ugly.
maverick muse on May 5, 2009 at 7:09 PM
Conservative Voice on May 5, 2009 at 6:09 PM
The Wall on May 5, 2009 at 6:56 PM
Christina D on May 5, 2009 at 7:00 PM
Geez. Talk about a knee-jerk reaction.
My original post was responding to somebody who said some people don’t like mormons because they think they are a cult. All I did was suggest there is more to it than that for some people. I never attacked anybody, I never smeared anybody.
And your reaction to me suggesting this shows that it is a touchy subject for some people which proves my original point. People care about the history of mormons in the US.
Joe Caps on May 5, 2009 at 7:13 PM
Well, yeah, but they’ve also knownsince August 29 that if she’s presented on her own terms she’d kick their asses. Thus the non-stop smear campaign.
ddrintn on May 5, 2009 at 7:14 PM
The Wall on May 5, 2009 at 6:56 PM
The troll revealed.
maverick muse on May 5, 2009 at 7:14 PM
A lot of us could give you the same advice.
ddrintn on May 5, 2009 at 7:16 PM
ddrintn on May 5, 2009 at 7:14 PM
Yes.
Which is why I joined with her and fans to provide her public venue on her own terms.
maverick muse on May 5, 2009 at 7:16 PM
If we let libs choose our candidates how do you think that will turn out? All we need is another RINO! Th conservatives will be stoked…uhhhh, maybe not. I put this in the category of “you’re f’in kidding me, right…right?”
jwp1964 on May 5, 2009 at 7:17 PM
Joe Caps on May 5, 2009 at 5:36 PM
You can lead a horse to water…
maverick muse on May 5, 2009 at 7:17 PM
Nice try, tool. You were the geek that started going into a rant that was bizarre but said such beautiful pieces as “thats just what they want you to believe in that church” or something like that.
Tool, youre attempt was weak. I only have one question for you…assuming you are over 18:
In which state did you vote for Huckabee???
The Wall on May 5, 2009 at 7:18 PM
Actually it’s reverse reverse reverse psychology.
jgapinoy on May 5, 2009 at 7:21 PM
I don’t see it. The reason Romney was such a strong candidate was because he had support across the nation in Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Michigan and of course would pick up the LDS vote across the rocky mountain west.
Why would Huntsman make a good candidate? Because he is sure to bring the Utah vote? He hasn’t even had any national scrutiny or prime time media exposure. A top five candidate for 2012? I don’t think so. The top five (in my opinion at least):
1. Gov. Sarah Palin
2. Mike Huckabee
3. Mitt Romney
4. Gov. Bobby Jindal
5. Gov. Mark Sanford
joncoltonis on May 5, 2009 at 7:21 PM
Duh…
4. Huntsman is a persuasive candidate, if you think like a Democrat instead of like a Republican.
Chaz on May 5, 2009 at 7:21 PM
Actually, that is what you said, not what you said you said a few minutes ago.
Like I said, are you under the age of 18? If not, in which state did you vote for your hero Huckabee.
The Wall on May 5, 2009 at 7:22 PM
So are you saying that the Mormon church has never ever downplayed any of their past?
BTW, I never said “that church.” Quit trying to paint me as a bigot.
Joe Caps on May 5, 2009 at 7:23 PM
The douche, revealed.
The Wall on May 5, 2009 at 7:23 PM
Um, no. Just annoyed with people like you who love to write false info. The truth is, the reason people don’t like us is because of misinformation, which is what you’re spreading. Bigamy spread by people like you. Any sort of misinformation is a “touchy” subject that I’d like to set you straight on.
I’m assuming you’re Christian, let’s give an example that you might understand. Suppose I posted on a site and said
“The reason some people don’t like Christians is because they are intolerant and they smell like feet and oh yeah, because they kill people and their leaders are hiding the true past of their religion (Crusades and Hitler anyone?)… please visit these anti-christian websites for more info.”
Don’t you think you’d want to say something? Doesn’t mean it’s true or particularly sensitive to you or that it proves my point just that you want to set the record straight. It’s obvious you don’t like mormons or else you wouldn’t be posting stuff like that… don’t try to play dumb. “Oh, well some people think this…. so I’m gonna post it… but I don’t agree, you know. I just like spreading misinformation around. just so you’re aware, some people just think mormons are violent.” It’s obvious what your intent is.
Christina D on May 5, 2009 at 7:25 PM
Dude, why cant you answer my question:
1) Are you over the age of 18 or just think like one??
2) In which state did you vote for Huckabee?
Please answer. Thank you very very very much.
The Wall on May 5, 2009 at 7:25 PM
Joe Caps on May 5, 2009 at 7:13 PM
Your point is accurate. The vindictive response from self-righteous radicals is their own burden to bear, not yours. They can not distinguish between ideology and person, a fault shared in fascist spheres coincidentally. Any critique of a dogma is taken as a personal assault by the dogmatic.
maverick muse on May 5, 2009 at 7:27 PM
Plouffe believes Huntsman will make a good candidate because he’s bought into his own parties rhetoric that if the GOP can capture the ‘moderates’ then they can come back.
That or he’s signalling to the media that he’s their next McCain. Expect glowing coverage of this ‘model’ conservative.
As a conservative Mormon in Utah I should point out that we have a surprising number of squishy conservatives in office (both local and national) – just because a politician is from Utah and is a Republican doesn’t mean a whole lot.
Joe Caps – you’re either naive or disingenuous if you claim to not be anti-Mormon. If you hold all ‘groups’ to their ‘past’ as you are Mormons then no ‘group’ would be able to be discussed without a lengthy discussion of their supposed sins.
gwelf on May 5, 2009 at 7:30 PM
Any one really give a damn what Plouffe has to say,especially considering the type of people he hangs with get real.
heshtesh on May 5, 2009 at 7:30 PM
Hey Christina, that is pretty much right out of his hero’s playbook. Remember this one:
“Isnt that the church that believes God or Satan are brothers?”
And then later.. “Yeah, I heard that and I am just asking.”
HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!!!
The Wall on May 5, 2009 at 7:31 PM
Joe Caps on May 5, 2009 at 7:23 PM
We don’t need to paint over the paint you covered yourself in….especially when you keep adding coats of paint.
Conservative Voice on May 5, 2009 at 7:32 PM
why in the world would OBAMA’S CAMPAIGN MANAGER be truthful about who he thinks is a threat?
everything this guy says is calculated, and this is clearly a ruse. forget about it.
where there’s smoke, there’s fire, and actions speak louder than words.
watch who is taking the most fire. you will know of whom they are most afraid.
homesickamerican on May 5, 2009 at 7:33 PM
What misinformation did I spread? I pointed to history. Please provide me with an example of a piece of misinformation that I am spreading.
Joe Caps on May 5, 2009 at 7:34 PM
maverick muse on May 5, 2009 at 7:27 PM
really? wow.
Joe Caps on May 5, 2009 at 7:34 PM
When did you stop beating your wife?
Conservative Voice on May 5, 2009 at 7:36 PM
I always figured you were a tool….NOW WE HAVE PROOF!!!
There is never anything funnier than a truly dumb person trying to sound intelligent and venturing into using words too big for him to understand and use correctly.
“a fault shared in fascist spheres coincidentally. ”
HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!
What a clown.
The Wall on May 5, 2009 at 7:39 PM
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