Shocker: California overestimated tax revenues again
posted at 10:56 am on May 4, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
The budget compromise reached in California, for which Governor Arnold Schwarzengger heavily lobbied, made a series of optimistic forecasts about tax revenues that flew in the face of the recession and the effect of California’s tax hikes. How badly did they miscalculate? The Golden State has fallen more than $2 billion behind in income tax collections alone, including a $1.8 billion bath in April, which should have been the state’s best month. And sales taxes are next:
The state may get more bad fiscal news this week when the state controller makes his final tally of April sales taxes. …
April, the state’s largest tax-collection month, has fallen short of expected revenue by more than $1.8 billion in personal and corporate income taxes. The state was $750 million behind projected tax collection on April 1.
There’s good reason to believe April’s sales tax receipts may disappoint, too. New car sales the first three months of this year fell by 43 percent compared with the same period last year, according a report last week by the California New Car Dealers Association.
Auto-related sales tax (car sales, parts, etc.) make up about 20 percent of the state’s sales tax receipts, said Paul Warren, a revenue and taxation analyst for the Legislative Analyst’s Office.
The state has a series of referendums on the ballot to get Californians to increase taxes to make up for these shortfalls. So far, they’re all looking to fail by wide margins. Voters have finally reached their limit of tax hikes and spending sprees from a legislature dominated by Democrats for more than four decades.
Schwarzenegger had his opportunity to lead California into a semblance of fiscal sanity. Instead, he pressured the GOP to cave on tax hikes in a budget compromise that did little to roll back spending, but instead put an even higher tax burden on a state reeling from the recession. To no one’s surprise except the terminally clueless political class in Sacramento, the tax hikes helped deepen the recession by cutting back on discretionary spending, especially on big-ticket items like cars.
Just a few months after supposedly plugging their budget hole, Schwarzenegger and his fellow Democrats* will have to deal with another gaping hole in the budget. Will they learn anything from the last round and start redlining the budget to get spending under control? Not if the last few decades give any indication. The Governator had little problem beating up Republicans to get a tax hike passed the last time, and I’d be shocked if he didn’t try it again.
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Crimigrants don’t pay taxes.
Alden Pyle on May 4, 2009 at 12:17 PM
Why should they get anything?
darwin on May 4, 2009 at 12:17 PM
California is a beautiful woman, abused and beaten daily, who keeps running back to her abuser (liberalism). She’s terrified of the uncertainty of walking away.
SKYFOX on May 4, 2009 at 12:19 PM
Yes. Wondering when someone was going to make the point. O’Bama tax receipt projections are worse than California, and while he probably doesn’t care since he has a credit score of 550, it will mean we have financed significantly more than even his ridiculous projections. Oh, but if only California could print money….
Starlink on May 4, 2009 at 12:22 PM
This intrigued. So true and many are moving out of CA then moving here. I hope we sell our home and soon. We have had it with CA. She is Beautiful and she has been abused. The Liberal’s have chased all the profitable businesses out of here for years. I will miss her.
sheebe on May 4, 2009 at 12:28 PM
OOPS Meant it intrigued me.
sheebe on May 4, 2009 at 12:28 PM
“Illegal aliens do not get food stamps, welfare, housing, they get basic medical care and school
EricPWJohnson on May 4, 2009 at 11:35 AM”
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FALSE. Illegal immigrants DO get food stamps (including the WIC program monies), as well as Medicaid and public schooling. I see it here in Pennsylvania too, as well as having seen it for the 18 years that I lived in California.
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The unspeakable-elephant-in-the-room is that the multi-billion dollar California state budget deficit is essentially the cost of various welfare services to illegal aliens.
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“Why should they get anything?
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darwin on May 4, 2009 at 12:17 PM”
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INDEED! Illegal aliens should get NOTHING.
DavePa on May 4, 2009 at 12:29 PM
Illegal aliens do not get food stamps, welfare, housing, they get basic medical care and school
more nonsense
EricPWJohnson on May 4, 2009 at 11:35 AM
Wrong! LA County Supervisor Mike Antonovich has released reports stating that they cost LA County alone over one billion dollars a year in these “entitlement” programs (to which, of course, they are in no way “entitled”).
califcon on May 4, 2009 at 12:30 PM
Yesterday the CA GOP called me and I told them I was no longer going to donate to them or to the National… all my donations will go to SarahPac.
I told them that we Californians know that the Republicans colluded with the Democrats to have 3 Repubs defect and pass the budget so that the other Repubs would get cover.
If you look at Ca Politicians it’s a game of musical chairs . You have the same politicians rotating jobs as term limits force them to move.
Illegal immigration is killing us but now the Latino Democratic Politicians have moved up and have a lot of control so there is no way something is going to be done about it.
We have a medical program for all kids so now parents don’t buy insurnace for their kids, they make the tax payer pay for it.
The State Board of Equalization has no effective means of collecting the sales tax businesses collect for them and so the tax reps are forced to beg a lot of businesses to remit it, they think it’s their money, it’s a complete joke.
This has been a state run by Democrats and yet the populace is sooo ignorant that they will continue to elect Democrats… My husband and I can’t wait to leave…
CCRWM on May 4, 2009 at 12:34 PM
Reread the SCHIP expansion that passed. It included a provision that allowed states to enroll illegal aliens – so they got “free” medical care until they are 25 or something.
Since states get a benefit (in terms of federal funds) for enrolling people into SCHIP. Yes, they go get full medical coverage for free.
Illegals don’t get welfare or food stamps. Nope. Nothing to see here.
lorien1973 on May 4, 2009 at 12:37 PM
This California resident says, “The more they tax the less I spend.”
sanclemman on May 4, 2009 at 12:41 PM
Makes me sad to see this. Anyone who saw Arnold’s enthusiastic introduction to Milton Friedman’s “Free To Choose,” or heard his stirring 2004 RNC speech, would never believe things have come to this. What happened to him? He was a believer.
Caiwyn on May 4, 2009 at 12:41 PM
patrick neid on May 4, 2009 at 12:08 PM
so he vetos everything – right – and they easily override it
Then is the situation any different? – or are we transferring the blame from the Democrats to a lone governor without a filibuster minority
EricPWJohnson on May 4, 2009 at 12:41 PM
Thanks, you saved me from having to spend the time to straighten out:EricPWJohnson on May 4, 2009 at 11:35 AM.
He is so misinformed…however, even if he was correct, the cost to educate is so much more for illegals. You have bi-lingual programs, they are deficient in almost all areas of learning so you have added teachers and tutoring. More health problems, more problems with unattended children, higher crime rate, medical is almost exclusively “emergency”, which consumes the most expensive care.
In just about every area, illegals are an added burden. This Eric guy should go to an emergency room, say in Anaheim, around 9 pm. Try to find an English speaking person waiting to be attended. So the hospital has to be staffed with bi-lingual. The area will be packed, because they cannot be “refused” medical care from an emergency room.
Listen, to all you Californian’s. Take whatever money you can, and get the heck out.
right2bright on May 4, 2009 at 12:43 PM
lorien1973 on May 4, 2009 at 12:37
Yuo must have missed the part where I said illegals get basic medical care and schooling but not housing, welfare, social security etc
EricPWJohnson on May 4, 2009 at 12:43 PM
Respond to
Please…
You posted a comment, it was proved to be wrong…now either retract or argue your point.
right2bright on May 4, 2009 at 12:45 PM
You missed the part where SCHIP covers everything under the sun.
You also missed the part where, yes, illegals do get welfare.
They also get housing.
And what? They can get social security too?
lorien1973 on May 4, 2009 at 12:46 PM
That is just L.A. alone, not counting San Diego…
Response Eric?
right2bright on May 4, 2009 at 12:47 PM
Seriously, Eric, is part of your brain missing? There are direct quotes above, and links, showing you how very wrong you are.
And please note that Antonovich’s ONE BILLION DOLLAR A YEAR figure do not include the very substantial costs of schooling their kids or incarcerating their criminals.
califcon on May 4, 2009 at 12:48 PM
One Billion Dollars!!
right2bright on May 4, 2009 at 12:48 PM
The Cal-eee-forn-ya Legislature is like the welfare queen at the checkout counter who suddenly realizes she doesn’t have enough food stamps to buy the steaks in the grocery basket and is about to blame the cashier for her luxury denial situation.
viking01 on May 4, 2009 at 12:49 PM
Oh, and then there is the incalculable cost to society of the many hospitals and urgent care centers that have closed under the crushing burden of providing free health care to illegals. Tax-paying citizens DIE because of this.
califcon on May 4, 2009 at 12:51 PM
Same thing in AZ over the past few years and why AZ goes more Democrat with every election. What’s amazing is that they leave CA because of what is happening there and then proceed to elect the same people to the legislature here that caused CA to go down the tubes. Dumbest people I’ve ever seen.
We already have a head start with illegal immigration and with a mayor that is totally pro-illegal, I expect the Phoenix area to look more and more like LA over the coming years.
AZ_Mike on May 4, 2009 at 12:52 PM
right2bright on May 4, 2009 at 12:53 PM
EricPWJohnson….where are you???
right2bright on May 4, 2009 at 12:54 PM
Now that you mentioned it that would be a great start. But as I said he didn’t. He looked for compromise. Compromise that led to the fiscal collapse of the state as George Will, your favorite moron, stated in his recent piece.
Arnie is a classic example of what is wrong with the current/previous Repub party these last 10 years. Always worried about the politics instead of the principles.
You veto every single piece of legislation that increases the size and spending by government. It’s not complicated. Fiscal restraint and small government bias are the two planks that anchor the Repub party. Everything else springs from these first principles. Force the Dems to overide every veto. If nothing else it gives the electorate more time to think about it. That is what Specter, Collins and Snowe prevented by launching Obama’s spending spree. For this alone they should be thrown out of the party.
On these there can be no compromise. As to other inane comments that the electorate doesn’t care about this as proven by their voting for Obama, I said it a long time ago, once the voters realize Repubs are looting the treasury they would prefer Dems to be the looters. Why? Because Dems are honest about it and they generally pretend it goes straight to the voter—next up “free” health care.
patrick neid on May 4, 2009 at 1:03 PM
calicon, et al
Democrats have been giving assistance to illegal immigrants in California since they took power after Reagan – The Democrats – Not the lone Republican Governor – not all states do – in fact most don’t
Lorien1973
The 2003 fox opinion piece is not totally accurate - first there is no treaty that gives illegal aliens SSI benefits paid in Mexico, It gives only legal benefits to those who worked and paid in or those who were there under the color of law called Procul
We also have the same treaty with many other countries as well so its not an exclusive treaty nor an unusual one – also people working in Mexico pay into their social security program and get (these checks are extremely small) paid when they retire wherever they live – so does France, Brazil, Germany and many many others.
Its best that you get information directly from government websites and government legal documents and not opinion pieces
Also califcon, right2bright, my contention is that – Californias mess is the fault of overspending union thug democrats and not really Arnold.
Also I am against any kind of entitlement because no one’s entitled to anyone elses money – heck I’m against public schooling as well – strangely enough I’m against welfare
THese are the types of arguments that rise up when a blogger incorrectly places the blame on the wrong person to fullfill this attention getting act that he has successfully played
but its getting played out
Yes people get benefits all the time that maybe and really they wern’t supposed to
But the argument really is – why are there any benefits?
EricPWJohnson on May 4, 2009 at 1:04 PM
I think Eric has moved on, he once again was shown to be shallow in his posts.
right2bright on May 4, 2009 at 1:05 PM
patrick neid on May 4, 2009 at 1:03 PM
Okay so he tried to compromise, so he’s totally at fault for trying to mitigate or change their mind or get some, some concessions for the taxpayers
That’s just not right he should have dug in his heals and been overridden into bakruptcy years ago
EricPWJohnson on May 4, 2009 at 1:06 PM
right2bright
name calling – the hallmark of intellectual discourse
EricPWJohnson on May 4, 2009 at 1:07 PM
Obama’s illegal alien aunt lives in public housing. Yet illegal aliens can’t live in public housing. Circle that square in your own mind.
For a guy who is against entitlements, you sure are spending a lot of time justifying them and pretending that people can’t get them, when clearly they can and do. But hey, whatever floats your boat.
lorien1973 on May 4, 2009 at 1:08 PM
George Will was pretty accurate on this just the other day:
California as Liberalism’s Laboratory
juanito on May 4, 2009 at 1:09 PM
That’s nice. BS-by that I guess you mean I am a LIAR?
Perhaps those families I am speaking of are no longer getting away with what they were before.
But pardon me if I get a little riled by you calling my FACTUAL experience BS.
I knew it was happening. I knew these people who were getting away with this-hence my sharing of the story.
What %$^&#$% fairy-tale do you live in that you are the truth moderator here?
Badger40 on May 4, 2009 at 1:09 PM
Whining — the hallmark of a troll getting trounced by the facts.
califcon on May 4, 2009 at 1:11 PM
lorien1973
Obama’s aunt was granted housing status when she was legal, its just that these are not the best funded agencies and followthrough is happenstance
Also, I never defended them – I just don’t like nonsense
people speed, people double park, people drink and drive, the same argument is illogical by that means you are saying cause people do it its perfectly legal- no its not
If you are an illegal alien and goe to SSI or Hud or to get a job and say you are an illegal alien – you wont get all three – legally
But this still is not governor Arnold’s fault – well at least to some people anyway….
EricPWJohnson on May 4, 2009 at 1:12 PM
Calicon
Thamks for proving my point
EricPWJohnson on May 4, 2009 at 1:13 PM
Many, Many California residents quit spending after the tax hikes. The purpose is to try to force these “leaders” to come to grips with the overspending. Since I make a few trips out of state each year, we can stock up our on our taxables in neighboring states, not primarily to save money, even though the tax rates in a couple of the out-of-state counties is up to 2% less, but to try to make a point in some small way. Or tires. Just in taxes and fees, the same tire for my truck is $15 dollars higher here than other areas.
But these morons that run the place are so clueless, they can’t equate a sharp drop off in retail sales and tax revenue with the tax hikes. And contrary to the news media, it’s just not the white conservatives feeling this way. It’s anyone who works for a living and pays taxes, regardless of race, religion, political party … As witnessed by the local tea partys, this is the one issue that seems to be bringing people from all backgrounds together ….
gstrickler on May 4, 2009 at 1:14 PM
I still say the only solution to California is to split it up so that local government can function to make politicians accountable to citizens. I’m good with adding more stars to our flag.
petunia on May 4, 2009 at 1:14 PM
Badger40
Yep – its the ole – I know its true because my wife/girlfriend/brother/mother/sister/neighbor/armybuddy did it thing
thats soo like 1998
EricPWJohnson on May 4, 2009 at 1:14 PM
No need to “thamk” me, Eric.
Judging by your lack of erudition and poorly constructed, fact-free arguments, I’m guessing you are the product of a California public school education . . .
califcon on May 4, 2009 at 1:15 PM
He did nothing once he realized his re-election was at stake. But don’t take my word for it talk to the senate repubs in California.
As to the snark about bankruptcy years ago, that would have been better than now. Sooner is always better than later when it comes to bankruptcy—there are more assets to be saved.
patrick neid on May 4, 2009 at 1:17 PM
So you think that your post of this:
Really meant this:
and that we don’t understand you…
In fact you blame us for your post by stating this:
Eric, wouldn’t it have been better for you to post something like this:
…but you decided to accuse of of not understanding your very simple post….where you should be thanking us for helping educate you.
right2bright on May 4, 2009 at 1:17 PM
The point is that Democrats control the state government have been veto proof or nearly veto proof for most of Arnolds tenure
Blaming arnold is giving those who created the mess he has to deal with a pass.
Why this seems to infuriate these supposed conservatives and Ed is beyond me.
Like the Dems just let Arnold get whatever he wants?
shoddy blogging
EricPWJohnson on May 4, 2009 at 1:17 PM
Why would anyone willing to cross into another country illegally then be expected to follow the laws once they become residents?
Once a liar always a liar.
petunia on May 4, 2009 at 1:18 PM
Hey, you were not defending your post that was proven to be wrong…and you never owned up to being wrong.
But thanks for proving my point…you post wrong info, you are corrected, you don’t acknowledge…then you whine when someone calls you out.
Don’t hide behind a snotty comment…step up to the plate and take ownership of a wrong, very wrong and misguided post.
right2bright on May 4, 2009 at 1:20 PM
Right on Target. California is like a dying cancer patient. Instead of working on a cure they let the patient keep smoking and drinking. Once the patient is dead will Barry be able to bring it back to life? I would say NO.
izoneguy on May 4, 2009 at 1:20 PM
Great work…but Eric thinks you misunderstood him…
right2bright on May 4, 2009 at 1:21 PM
Like hell they don’t and not only that but they can have their children delivered at a hospital her in CA to the tune of $20k and not have to pay a dime. The feds are supposed to reimburse for the cost but that budget was decimated long ago. Their kids go to public schools and get a free lunch and breakfast as well as the education…
Try that lie with someone who desn’t live in CA…those of us who live hre know the truth. Illegal immigration is one of the biggest things killing us!
CCRWM on May 4, 2009 at 1:23 PM
No one is doing any such thing. What I and many are saying is Arnie rolled over in the face of this after having won the recall election by promising to stand against this majority. In California taxes cannot pass without a 2/3 majority vote. The Dems do not have that. Arnie has sought to undermine this on any number of ocassions.
If a veto is all you have then use it early and often. He did not. He is a failure.
patrick neid on May 4, 2009 at 1:24 PM
thats soo like 1998
EricPWJohnson
Your snark does not invalidate Badger40′s personal experience. In fact, it adds nothing at all. You seem to be enchanted with Ahnold. Why?
SKYFOX on May 4, 2009 at 1:25 PM
right2bright
and your point is what? No government form links asking illegla aliens to register for benefits are there?
California’s Welfare system right now under eligibility is this statement
Didn’t see where illegals were given any benefits
but what does the state of California know anyway….
Look I’m done its late over here
EricPWJohnson on May 4, 2009 at 1:28 PM
SKYFOX
Well, cause also the facts get in the way as well…
EricPWJohnson on May 4, 2009 at 1:29 PM
patrick neid on May 4, 2009 at 1:24 PM
Again, blaming a lone Republican for somehow refusing to overturn the constitution of the State of California as well as the US Constitution and just doing what HE wanted and forget our current system of government because we are all frustrated…
Are you listening to yourself, come on guy you’re better than that?
Ed, are YOU Listening?
EricPWJohnson on May 4, 2009 at 1:33 PM
Whatever. My personal testimony is real. And the people involved know it to be real.
Calling me a liar in absolute terms like you are a higher authority on such matters is a waste of everybody’s time here.
I talk about things that I know about.
I do not presume to form an opinion of a stranger’s testimony as fact or fiction unless I have personal info which enables me to call them on it.
You, sir, have no such information about me, nor my experience.
Stick to the things you are experienced with here-like being a $hit-eating fly on the wall.
Badger40 on May 4, 2009 at 1:33 PM
Badger40
keep talkin maybe an aunt knows someone who knew someone who used to date the guy who shot kennedy
Hey you never know…
EricPWJohnson on May 4, 2009 at 1:39 PM
Again, it was a personal experience. I knew these illegals personally.
So a neighbor didn’t tell me, my Aunt didn’t tell me, THEY told me what they were getting away with themselves.
Who knows-maybe THEY were lying.
But the illegal alien lady using her EBT card in the store next to me tells a different story.
Badger40 on May 4, 2009 at 1:41 PM
Badger40
Yeah yeah everyone knows someone who absolutely knows the legal status of a complete stranger – who would confess everything to someone who could turn them in
EricPWJohnson on May 4, 2009 at 1:43 PM
I love it when you give right2bright rope
This is a lesson – make sure you know what you are talking about before you blogoff….
So California DOES HAVE an Citizenship test for welfare, foodstamps
hmmmmmmmmmmmm…
But of course we all know that its done under the table wink wink…
By Arnold
EricPWJohnson on May 4, 2009 at 1:45 PM
“redlining the budget”?
Ed, surely you jest. Those asshats in Sacramento only know one word “SPEND”. If the rest of the country wants to see the US future, just look at Kalifornia.
And Arnie can kiss off any idea of being a US Senator.
GarandFan on May 4, 2009 at 1:45 PM
Eric you know immigrants arent’ supposed to come here illegally and they do…they aren’t supposed to get benefits and they do… We have lots of rules no one is enforcing and we the tax paying legal residents and citizens are getting really sick and fed up!
CCRWM on May 4, 2009 at 1:46 PM
You like evidently being a jackass to complete strangers.
Your keyboard must be sopping wet from your pleasure over insulting me.
My illegal alien friend was not a stranger.
You really must live in CA. I can find no other explanation for your being so bizarrely obtuse.
Badger40 on May 4, 2009 at 1:46 PM
Yes illegals can get social security and disability. They pretend to pay into it through their illegal employment so when some were denied it a few years back they took the case to court. They won. They paid in, they get to take out.
They also took the money to Mexico, so SSA now sends checks to mexico.
How does it feel to PAY your RAPIST.
Spiritk9 on May 4, 2009 at 1:51 PM
Eric, your argument is ridiculous. There are laws against, speeding, dealing drugs, stealing cars, etc. Does that mean those things are not done?
Once again:
Here’s a link (thanks, Lorien!): http://www.the-signal.com/news/article/12489/
califcon on May 4, 2009 at 1:53 PM
Kudos to your info.
But I’m not holding my breath about our friend believing it.
It is entirely possible, you know, that DPS made all those figures up.
/sarc
Badger40 on May 4, 2009 at 1:58 PM
I see a lot of comments about illegals and government benefits. Since I work for a large CA county welfare deparment, I’ll put in my two cents.
To get cash welfare (TANF), an applicant has to prove legal immigration status or citizen status. We DO ask for birth certificates or passports. There are some 25 other documents that are acceptable under federal law, such as Naturalization, Citizen Birth Abroad, and various tribal records. Military records are used in some cases if they provide the information we need.
Applicants for Food Stamps must be citizens or legal permanent residents. CA has a state-funded food stamps program (CFAP) for legal immigrants who have not been in the country long enough to be eligible for federal Food Stamps.
Medicaid, called Medi-Cal in CA, also requires proof of citizenship or legal status. An illegal alien mom who has US citizen kids gets only “emergency Medi-Cal” which is very restricted; i.e. prenatal, emergency, and terminal care.
I don’t know what other states do, but this is what we do here. This county has some 500 cases of US citizen kids and parents who are illegal. No, we don’t contact immigration. We’re not allowed to.
This year’s budget battle in CA will be one for the records. When all these propositions fail, the Democrats will have to come up with $14 or so in cuts. The Republicans will not vote for taxes this time. Three of them did it last time and we got the mess we have now.
This year should be the awsome train wreck we have all been predicting for years.
For a political junkie like me, the prospect of a California budget disaster and a Supreme Court nomination battle means an awsome summer.
sdillard on May 4, 2009 at 1:59 PM
Oops, $14 BILLION in cuts.
sdillard on May 4, 2009 at 1:59 PM
Now you are entering the the theatre of the absurd. Using the power of the veto to force parties to reconsider is not overturning the constitution. Get a grip partner.
patrick neid on May 4, 2009 at 2:06 PM
I’m not questioning the information you posted, but I do believe what Mike Antonovich has been telling us for years. I assume it’s due to illegals cranking out babies as fast as they can, in order to use them as the basis for their benefits claims?
califcon on May 4, 2009 at 2:07 PM
During the run-up to this compromise a Republican legislator, Chuck DeVore, made some interesting observations. He noted that in the space of 10 years that the California budget had doubled going from roughly $70B to $140B. If this budget during this time had only gone up adjusted for inflation and population it would have increased to about $105B and there would be no serious deficit issue. He also noted that in about 2005 Arnie ordered a performance audit to “blow up the boxes of government” and a telephone book thick document of changes was produced. To date, only a handful of those recommendation have been acted on per DeVore. The CA politicians have made no effort to reduce the size of the government beyond window dressing.
mrveritas on May 4, 2009 at 3:01 PM
And if an illegal mom gives birth to her child in California?
dominigan on May 4, 2009 at 3:27 PM
I posted before reading your comment. Thanks for the info!
dominigan on May 4, 2009 at 3:28 PM
I am truely SHOCKED, SHOCKED I said, that the new fee on furniture repairs did not fix this budget problem!
SHOCKED!
Freddy on May 4, 2009 at 3:31 PM
The problem is that different counties process requests in different ways, with some counties processing without any paperwork at all.
LA has a nice 3 billion deficit from their liberal give it all away approach.
Freddy on May 4, 2009 at 3:36 PM
The person who stated that Arnold could have vetoed, and forced the dems to overturn his veto is correct.
If you are right, and know you are right then that is the path you take. Arnold thought the dems were right and he took that path.
If he vetoed, and was overturned, he would have a great argument to get rid of the dems. But he just makes it seem like there is no difference between the two parties..
right2bright on May 4, 2009 at 3:46 PM
Clever and true.
maverick muse on May 4, 2009 at 3:51 PM
Since when does a temporary travel visa make a visitor a legal resident deserving government subsidized housing?
I’m not even sure that Obama’s aunt ever had the proper visa to enter the USA.
maverick muse on May 4, 2009 at 3:59 PM
He chose his donkey. A shame that voters didn’t see through him before enabling him to drag the GOP down with CA.
maverick muse on May 4, 2009 at 4:02 PM
califcon: Yes, the only way an illegal alien parent can get aid in my county is through a US-born child. As long as the anchor babies are born citizens, we have to aid them. We don’t aid the illegal parents, but they are the payee on the case.
I know about that story out of LA. Again, it’s the anchor babies that are the “eligiblity linkage”. That’s federal law.
Some posters have mentioned that other jurisdictions are not as strict as my county. That may well be, but if that’s the case they are violating federal and state laws and regulations. It’s my job in this county to interpret those regs.
The whole system is a mess. The anchor babies are the key; change the law so that illegals can’t give birth to citizens and states would save billions. Ain’t gonna happen with this Congress, though.
sdillard on May 4, 2009 at 4:13 PM
Ditto Jeb Bush with FL
Ditto John McCain with AZ
Ditto Mike Huckabee with AR
Ditto Specter with PA
Etc, Etc, Etc.
Proof once again, that Reaganism is not dead, only buried under RINO’s.
Christian Conservative on May 4, 2009 at 4:16 PM
The California flag has a bear in it. I suggest California grin and bear it. Fix your own damn state by selling San Francisco to France.
Limerick on May 4, 2009 at 4:18 PM
California shows how our nation will end up under liberal policies. California’s in a deep hole, and their answer so far has been “dig faster!” to get out of it.
hawksruleva on May 4, 2009 at 4:20 PM
Good info. But many illegal immigrants use false identity information in order to apply for jobs and benefits. See here, or here, or here and here. As for emergency Medi-Cal, what’s emergency? If they go to the emergency room, do moms, or other illegals, get turned away? Do kids who show up at school get sent home unless their papers are correct?
hawksruleva on May 4, 2009 at 4:27 PM
The idiots in Sacramento (including Arnold) are clueless. Doubling registration fees (which is one reason the last governor was recalled) can only hurt NEW CAR SALES. Especially during a recession! Duh! Just like raising taxes on smokes didn’t meet tax revenues because more people quit smoking than they calculated. I was planning on buying a new truck this year to replace an older one. More a treat than a need but NOT NOW. I already voted NO on PROP 1A via absentee ballot. Can’t wait for the T-Party election festivities!
Bluehanky on May 4, 2009 at 4:35 PM
The whole system is a mess. The anchor babies are the key;
No kidding!! I also think this is a large part of the reason that illegals mostly don’t get legally married when they start their families — the single mother qualifies with the kids and the dad can earn his money without it being taken into consideration.
Thanks for all the info!
califcon on May 4, 2009 at 5:04 PM
The answer is that illegal immigrants use the emergency rooms as their doctors and hospitals.
Go to most any hospital emergency room at 9 in the evening and see how many “Americans” there are in the waiting room.
right2bright on May 4, 2009 at 5:17 PM
And, at least in California, so many hospitals and trauma centers have closed because of this financial burden that it’s a very dangerous place to have a medical emergency.
califcon on May 4, 2009 at 5:29 PM
I just noticed the “Math is hard” subtitle. Very very funny.
therightscoop on May 4, 2009 at 6:37 PM
And they have such goofy laws that no one would will help you if you are injured. Kalifornia – every goofball for themselves.
izoneguy on May 4, 2009 at 6:54 PM
It seems California could find something to cut…
And that was way back in 2004.
Dawnsblood on May 4, 2009 at 7:29 PM
Californians have collected MORE than enough signatures on petitions to recall, Schwartzenkennedy, Boxer, Feinstein and a large part of the State Legislature but Secretary of State, Debra Bowen, refused to validate those petitions and refuses to even state WHY she will not validate those petitions.
nelsonknows on May 4, 2009 at 7:35 PM
You got a link for that?
I’d really like to check that out.
BallisticBob on May 4, 2009 at 7:57 PM
Do you live in California? I do, and you do not appear to have any idea what you are babbling on about.
doriangrey on May 4, 2009 at 8:13 PM
I HOPE GIRLY-MAN FAILS!!!!
right4life on May 4, 2009 at 8:28 PM
ahhhhnold is an embaressment to every bodybuilder/powerlifter/olympic lifter out there…
he needs to get back on the juice!!!!
right4life on May 4, 2009 at 8:30 PM
The Governuter Benedict Arnold Schwarzenrenegger is going to be remembered in the exact same light as former Governor Gray Davis…
doriangrey on May 4, 2009 at 8:37 PM
Let California sink. If that cesspool of a state ceased to exist tomorrow, would any of us in the other 49 care? I’d wager that we wouldn’t.
KSgop on May 4, 2009 at 8:49 PM
In terms of the suggestions that California be split into manageable parts, let us note that there are already fifty-seven state slots [He said so and He is always correct.] of which six are still open. One of the set has already been designated for the District of Columbia heartland, but the others may be useful in solving the problem. And a side benefit would be expanding the number of senators — clearly something this entire country needs…
LaMonte on May 4, 2009 at 9:45 PM
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