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Senior creditors: Chrysler deal violates 5th Amendment

posted at 1:36 pm on May 4, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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If the Obama administration expected the senior creditors of Chrysler to fold their tents under political pressure, they may have gotten a rude shock today.  Thomas Lauria, who accused the White House of threatening the creditors withn humiliation at the hands of the White House press corps, has filed a motion to halt the administration’s machinations on behalf of the UAW in the Chrysler bankruptcy.  Lauria and his allies claim that the Obama administration has violated the Constitution in their bid to devalue the senior creditors’ holdings on behalf of junior creditors, and have some precedent to support the allegation.

The heart of the argument starts on page 8 (via HA commenter Outlander):

III. The Taking of Collateral through a Direct or Indirect Use of TARP Authority is Unconstitutional.

13. The Treasury Department relies on TARP as the purported authority to justify the disparate treatment under the 363 Sale, even though TARP was enacted after the Senior Lenders’ liens on the Debtors’ property were already in place. The Supreme Court long ago recognized, however, that a secured creditor’s interest in specific property is protected in bankruptcy under the Fifth Amendment. Louisville Joint Stock Land Bank v. Radford, 295 U.S. 555, 594 (1935). That case involved a Depression-era statute that was intended to help bankrupt farmers avoid losing their land in mortgage foreclosure. The statute in Radford provided that the bankrupt debtor could achieve a release of the security interests either (i) with the lender’s consent, purchasing the property at its then appraised value by making deferred payments for two to six years at statutorily-set interest rates; or (ii) by seeking from the bankruptcy court a stay of the proceedings for up to five years during which time the debtor could use the property by paying a rent set by the court, which payments would be for the benefit of all creditors, with a purchase option at the end of that period. Id. at 856-57.

14. Justice Brandeis noted that the “essence of a mortgage” is the right of the secured party “to insist upon full payment before giving up his security [i.e., the property pledged].” Radford, 295 U.S. at 580. In invalidating the statute, the Court stated that “[t]he bankruptcy power . . . is subject to the Fifth Amendment,” and that the pernicious aspect of this law was its “taking of substantive rights in specific property acquired by the bank prior to the act.” Id. at 589-90 (emphasis added). Thus, Congress could not pass a law that could be used to deny to secured creditors their rights to realize upon the specific property pledged to them or “the right to control meanwhile the property during the period of default.” Id. at 594. That is precisely what the Treasury Department would have Chrysler do here, with respect to the Chrysler Non-TARP Lenders’ property rights that were acquired prior to the enactment of TARP.

15. Relying on purported authority provided by TARP, the Treasury Department is demanding that Chrysler’s assets be stripped away from the coverage of the Senior Lenders’ liens – thereby impairing the rights of the Senior Lenders to realize upon those assets – so that those assets may be put in New Chrysler and used to the benefit of unsecured creditors in this proceeding, who will then be paid much more than the Senior Lenders. But, even assuming that TARP provides the Treasury Department with authority to provide funding to the Debtors and impose the transfer of collateral away from the Senior Lenders, TARP was enacted long after the Senior Lenders contracted with the Debtors and received senior liens on the Debtors’ property. Radford specifically disallowed the use of a law to retroactively alter existing liens on property.

16. Here, the proposed sale of the Debtors’ assets will leave the Senior Lenders with a diluted pool of assets and no further interests in the operating assets covered by their specific liens. The Constitution forbids this application of a law retroactively to undercut the Senior Lenders’ pre-existing property rights in favor or inferior creditors.

17. Finally, that the Treasury Department would take these unconstitutional actions to help the United States address difficult economic times is not an answer. Indeed, the same justification was expressly rejected in Radford, where Justice Brandeis noted that a statute which violated secured creditors’ rights, but which was passed for sound public purposes relating to the Great Depression, could not be saved because “the Fifth Amendment commands that, however great the nation’s need, private property shall not be thus taken even for a wholly public use without just compensation.” Id. at 602.

18. What is really striking here is that what is being proposed by the Sale Motion would strip the Collateral away and allow it to be put to use as new capital in New Chrysler for the benefit of existing and other creditors – even though the Chrysler Non-TARP Lenders have been given no opportunity to realize upon that Collateral to the point of full repayment ahead of at least $14 billion of selectively identified unsecured creditors.

One might think that a Constitutional scholar like Barack Obama would have already known that, but either this precedent escaped him or he doesn’t care about it at all.  Brandeis acted to uphold contract law, especially in the face of a government interest in paying off politically-connected unsecured creditors ahead of the senior creditors.  There is no other reason for Brandeis to make that decision, as only government could insert itself into the contractual relationship during a bankruptcy proceeding — just as Obama has done with Chrysler.

Lauria’s argument seems very compelling here, especially given Brandeis’ rather clear assertion that bankruptcy proceedings have to fall within the 5th Amendment — and that government can’t implement a taking to satisfy its own arbitrary aims by ignoring the relationship of the creditors to the default.  We’ll see whether the court rebukes Obama.


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5th amendment, via wiki:

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Count to 10 on May 4, 2009 at 2:06 PM

Reading it is better than sex………….in my case anyways.

Knucklehead on May 4, 2009 at 2:05 PM

You’re doing it wrong.

amerpundit on May 4, 2009 at 2:06 PM

Isn’t the Constitution being used as guest toilet paper in the WH by Obamageddon? Because it doesn’t seem to exist in his limited world!

xler8bmw on May 4, 2009 at 2:06 PM

I think he knows that problem and is trying to fix that sticky problem even as we speak.

petunia on May 4, 2009 at 2:03 PM

That is my point. He is trying to destroy something that has lots of money and power to fight back. It was only a matter of time. Maybe this will slow down all this hope and change.

bloggless on May 4, 2009 at 2:06 PM

Count to 10…

Why is no one pointing out this little detail that this can’t logically work as anything but sit-down-and-shut-up-and-do-what-you’re-told-or-else to the workers? I mean… it’s so obvious! Can’t the workers see it, or am I completely missing something in the obvious that somehow they think they are like… management now or something? Do the workers own the union? Or is the union an entity separate from the workers owned by someone else? I mean when you say, “The Union now owns 40% of the company…” what does that mean? Who is the union?

Just wondering.

UnderstandingisPower on May 4, 2009 at 2:07 PM

What’s unconstitutional about fascism? /sarc

gwelf on May 4, 2009 at 2:08 PM

This country’s “Car Czar” berated the manager of said fund with an outburst of prose substantially resembling this:

“Who the f### do you think you’re dealing with? We’ll have the IRS audit your fund. Every one of your employees. Your investors. Then we will have the Securities and Exchange Commission rip through your books looking for anything and everything and nothing we find to destroy you with.”
I like that he responded to this with a suit.

Vashta.Nerada on May 4, 2009 at 2:06 PM

They Bullies apparently have picked on the wrong “kid”. Let’s all hope Ralphie wins again.

bloggless on May 4, 2009 at 2:08 PM

What would and empath do?

tomg51 on May 4, 2009 at 2:05 PM

This is why we’re screwed.

Count to 10 on May 4, 2009 at 2:08 PM

You’re doing it wrong.

amerpundit on May 4, 2009 at 2:06 PM

Not doing it wrong, just not doing it at all, which is fine with me.

Knucklehead on May 4, 2009 at 2:08 PM

Consti….. constu…..consty…..consta….what was that word again?

bloggless on May 4, 2009 at 1:50 PM

Actually, it constipation. In Obama’a case, it’s the perfect metaphor for being full of one’s self.

Rovin on May 4, 2009 at 2:09 PM

When FDR tried to pack the court with six new seats in order to get his way, congress rolled over and gave him his way. Obooba already has a compliant congress, so should he decide to pack the court for good measure, congress and the press would act like it’s just another brilliant move by Fearless Leader and we’ll end up with seven or nine leftists activists on the court vs four conservatives.

Then Katie can bar the door all she wants: it won’t matter. Nothing will matter but the will of Fearless Leader

Akzed on May 4, 2009 at 2:00 PM

I have some hope that there are not a few Democrats who really do believe in the Constitution and will not just vote the way the Democratic leadership demands. Cap and Trade is a good example. One can only fall on one’s sword so many times before one actually dies.

petunia on May 4, 2009 at 2:09 PM

Not doing it wrong, just not doing it at all, which is fine with me.

Knucklehead on May 4, 2009 at 2:08 PM

Heh.

By the way, the Nevada Attorney General has filed criminal charges against ACORN.

amerpundit on May 4, 2009 at 2:10 PM

Oh, goody!! I LOVE a fight!

Just like the one on CNBC this minute, where the regulars are taking apart some sweet young thing who said our current economic difficulties are a RESULT of the Bush tax cuts…I couldn’t watch anymore. It was ugly.

tree hugging sister on May 4, 2009 at 2:11 PM

I think he knows that problem and is trying to fix that sticky problem even as we speak.

petunia on May 4, 2009 at 2:03 PM
That is my point. He is trying to destroy something that has lots of money and power to fight back. It was only a matter of time. Maybe this will slow down all this hope and change.

bloggless on May 4, 2009 at 2:06 PM

The good thing about your point is that it takes a lot of guts to make a lot of money. He isn’t going to be up against shrinking violets here. And some Lawyer is going to make their name by standing up to power!

petunia on May 4, 2009 at 2:11 PM

Thomas Lauria, who accused the White House of threatening the creditors with humiliation

Hey, it worked for them in Chicago, why should Washington be any different?!!

Susanboo on May 4, 2009 at 2:12 PM

Why is no one pointing out this little detail that this can’t logically work as anything but sit-down-and-shut-up-and-do-what-you’re-told-or-else to the workers? I mean… it’s so obvious! Can’t the workers see it, or am I completely missing something in the obvious that somehow they think they are like… management now or something? Do the workers own the union? Or is the union an entity separate from the workers owned by someone else? I mean when you say, “The Union now owns 40% of the company…” what does that mean? Who is the union?

Just wondering.

UnderstandingisPower on May 4, 2009 at 2:07 PM

Honestly, I don’t know. Unions probably have some kind of special status as entities. They are like a lower level of government, able to tax their members.

Count to 10 on May 4, 2009 at 2:12 PM

HotAir: The 5th Amendment of the Constitution is, once again, ignored by the “Constitutional scholar” who is now president…

MSM: Look! They’re holding hands! Awwwww!!

newton on May 4, 2009 at 2:12 PM

Actually, it constipation. In Obama’a case, it’s the perfect metaphor for being full of one’s self.

Rovin

BWAHAhahahahaha! Brilliant!

tree hugging sister on May 4, 2009 at 2:12 PM

Barack I’s reply:

L’Constitution c’est moi

lonesomecharlie on May 4, 2009 at 2:12 PM

Maybe Justice Brandeis lacked adequate empathy.

JudetheFossil on May 4, 2009 at 2:13 PM

Could someone please explain this to me?

In high school economics we learned that unions were created to balance out the power between management and the workers. Well, if the union management has now become MANAGEMENT/management… i.e. they own the company… what happens to the workers? I mean let’s say the workers want more money or more benefits, they start by doing what? Petitioning the union who now owns the company? How is that going to work? Aren’t we then back to how it was before there were such things as unions?

I’m a bit confused on this point… unless of course we’re all just going to be slaves and be done with it.

UnderstandingisPower on May 4, 2009 at 2:00 PM

I am not a union employee. If my company ceases to find it profitable to employ me, it can terminate me. Thus, my own economic interests are aligned with the company’s–both the shareholders and I want my company to meet with financial success. I work for a major international conglomerate, so the connection is a bit abstract, but an employee of a small business can observe it much more directly.

A union which a company by law must negotiate with has very different interests. The union’s economic interests are to strangle the shareholders to the maximum extent possible without killing the proverbial golden goose. Now that the UAW owns/is about to own major stakes in the automakers, the interests of the shareholders and the interests of the workers are finally aligned, as they should have been all along.

The fallacious idea that workers and capitalists have irreconcilably-opposed economic interests was first floated by Karl Marx, and it is no more true today than it was in the 1840s.

hicsuget on May 4, 2009 at 2:13 PM

Starring Barack Obama as Scut Farkus.

Christien on May 4, 2009 at 2:13 PM

My problem with TARP and any activity of the federal government dealing with proptery involving land is that the only mention of this is given to Congress in Art. I, Sec. 8, and requires the State involved to grant the federal government ownership of it per property.

When you are in a position of being able to receive property, you must have the standing to do so: the federal government would need that from any State that has Chrysler or GM property involved, or any of the banks it is dealing with where the government could end up holding the bag to it. The old National Banks were this way, and any attempt to end up with ‘Nationalized’ institutions would require this.

I am no legal scholar, but the Constitution is very pointed on this, as it is a means to prevent the federal government from just buying anything it wants. It needs State permission to do that.

ajacksonian on May 4, 2009 at 2:15 PM

“Constitutional scholar” who is now president…
newton on May 4, 2009 at 2:12 PM

That title was always nothing more than a resume padding title to make it look like Obama did something while he didn’t have a real job of any kind…

petunia on May 4, 2009 at 2:15 PM

Not doing it wrong, just not doing it at all, which is fine with me.

Knucklehead on May 4, 2009 at 2:08 PM

This is going to be the thing that railroads this thread, isn’t it?

:)

bluelightbrigade on May 4, 2009 at 2:15 PM

One might think that a Constitutional scholar like Barack Obama would have already known that, but either this precedent escaped him or he doesn’t care about it at all.

Who will rid Me of this meddlesome U.S. Constitution?
- King Obama

MB4 on May 4, 2009 at 2:15 PM

Look I ain’t the sharpest pencil in the box but the part that got my attention is just the overall “scam” feeling this forced resolution of the Chrysler deal has to it.
Just A Grunt on May 4, 2009 at 2:01 PM

Have to disagree, Just, you are quite sharp and succinct; the bike example is great!

Branch Rickey on May 4, 2009 at 2:16 PM

Maybe the pain in the wallet is starting to overcome that tingle in the leg.

I’d be laughing harder, except I’ve got that same pain and never had the thrill.

gobblemom on May 4, 2009 at 2:17 PM

The fallacious idea that workers and capitalists have irreconcilably-opposed economic interests was first floated by Karl Marx, and it is no more true today than it was in the 1840s.

hicsuget on May 4, 2009 at 2:13 PM

The question, then, is “do the unions actually pursue the economic interests of the workers?”

Count to 10 on May 4, 2009 at 2:17 PM

Somebody is backing into a buzzsaw.

I wonder if Mr. Lauria has ever been diagnosed with suicidal tendencies.

jay12 on May 4, 2009 at 2:19 PM

I am no legal scholar, but the Constitution is very pointed on this, as it is a means to prevent the federal government from just buying anything it wants. It needs State permission to do that.

ajacksonian on May 4, 2009 at 2:15 PM

That’s why “state’s rights” people are on the DHS watch list don’t you know. They might keep Obama from gaining total power over everything.

petunia on May 4, 2009 at 2:19 PM

The fallacious idea that workers and capitalists have irreconcilably-opposed economic interests was first floated by Karl Marx, and it is no more true today than it was in the 1840s.

hicsuget on May 4, 2009 at 2:13 PM

So you trust the unions to run Chrysler? I don’t. Unions are the most corrupt institutions in this country. They may once have served a purpose but now they just force jobs to other countries.

petunia on May 4, 2009 at 2:23 PM

Finally, Hallelujah someone is taking on the Obamanots and their mad power grab.

Jdripper on May 4, 2009 at 2:24 PM

Why is no one pointing out this little detail that this can’t logically work as anything but sit-down-and-shut-up-and-do-what-you’re-told-or-else to the workers? I mean… it’s so obvious! Can’t the workers see it, or am I completely missing something in the obvious that somehow they think they are like… management now or something? Do the workers own the union? Or is the union an entity separate from the workers owned by someone else? I mean when you say, “The Union now owns 40% of the company…” what does that mean? Who is the union?

Just wondering.

UnderstandingisPower on May 4, 2009 at 2:07 PM

Card check didn’t go thru….and the unions want power, and did a lot of work for Obama, to see him elected. Now it’s pay back time. Eventually, Obama will probably find a way to push card check without any legislation. He’ll command it, in otherwords.

Remember when the pilots union worked to empower themselves and bought United Airlines? Google that, and see where that got them.

Unions are going corrupt…and fast! The workers won’t care, as long as it’s filling their pockets, and bellies.

capejasmine on May 4, 2009 at 2:24 PM

Thomas Lauria is a brave man.

But – just as it is unwise to pick a fight with an outfit which buys ink by the barrel, it is unwise to pick a legal battle with an outfit which can print it’s own money.

Perhaps precedent will prevail, and our Dear Leader will understand that pitch forks can be counter-productive when misapplied.

Sadly, though, I think Ed’s summation of “he doesn’t care about it at all” is the only horrid truth that is in Obama: Bills of Attainder; Ex post facto legislation; the Fifth Amendment; – impediments to his impudence, is all.

Those ‘negative’ rights will all be properly dealt with by our Dear Leader at the constitutional convention he will call. So he can ‘fix’ it all.

Look for the call soon after his second term starts.

Mark my words…

locomotivebreath1901 on May 4, 2009 at 2:25 PM

The fallacious idea that workers and capitalists have irreconcilably-opposed economic interests was first floated by Karl Marx, and it is no more true today than it was in the 1840s.

hicsuget on May 4, 2009 at 2:13 PM

I would love to agree with you, and I do… except then what’s the point of a union? And again, what kind of entity IS the union? I mean if Company X that’s owned by a union makes a profit, who gets a share in that profit? The employees? I don’t think so. I think the management of the union gets the profit AND the “tax” on the employees via “dues.” Right?

UnderstandingisPower on May 4, 2009 at 2:27 PM

I wonder if Mr. Lauria has ever been diagnosed with suicidal tendencies.

jay12 on May 4, 2009 at 2:19 PM

In times of change, the Patriot is a scarce man; brave, hated and scorned. If his cause succeeds, however, the timid will join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot.
- Mark Twain

MB4 on May 4, 2009 at 2:27 PM

Card check didn’t go thru….and the unions want power, and did a lot of work for Obama, to see him elected. Now it’s pay back time. Eventually, Obama will probably find a way to push card check

You know, it always seems to be the workers or unions that start the revolutions, more often than not. Most of the communist ‘revolutionaries’ in the 70s and 80s labeled themselves the “workers parties” and such. If I recall correctly, even Lenin harnessed the workers in Russia to bring about the Soviet Union.

And it has also worked the other way, with Solidarity.

Just some food for thought…

JamesLee on May 4, 2009 at 2:28 PM

Ooops, its hardball. Batter up!

littleguy on May 4, 2009 at 2:29 PM

Monday, May 4, 2009
Dead Bodies Always End Up Floating To The Surface

Perella Weinberg was merely one of the hedge funds on the receiving end of the “persuasive” tirades … And the kicker is that these “lesser beings” would have been on the receiving end of not only the White House Press Corps, but such other jovial acronyms as the SEC and the IRS.

I have no doubt the fascist progs love Obama’s strong-arm tactics, and the WHPC is probably even more enchanted with Il Duce 2.0, even after being cast by his administration as unethical tools and soldiers for La Bama Nostra.

Rae on May 4, 2009 at 2:29 PM

I really didn’t want Chrysler to go into bankruptcy, not because of the Chrysler employees, but because of the damage its would do to all the Chyrsler suppliers and the possible domino effect that their failing could have on Ford, Toyota and Honda. (Chr. has a much higher level of outsourced content that Ford or GM)

Now… Go Mr. Lauria… drive this heap into a nice ugly liquidation… take a big steaming dump right on Barry’s shoes…

phreshone on May 4, 2009 at 2:30 PM

who is going to make a secured loan now? These senior lenders with perfected liens are being threatened by the gov. to take losses to help junior lenders and unsecured claimants, in other words, putting bankruptcy law and creditor/borrower laws upside down. Remember when all the Dems were complaining that TARP banks weren’t loaning or refinancing debt,and just this past week the Dems tried to pass a law allowing brptcy judges to reduce principal balances and lower int. rates? These idiots can’t see the monumental conflicts of interest the gov. has, and just wait till they try to exchange debt for equity in the TARP banks.

beens21 on May 4, 2009 at 2:34 PM

I have no doubt the fascist progs love Obama’s strong-arm tactics, and the WHPC is probably even more enchanted with Il Duce 2.0, even after being cast by his administration as unethical tools and soldiers for La Bama Nostra.

Rae on May 4, 2009 at 2:29 PM

We hear praise of a power-wielding, arm-twisting President who “gets his program through Congress” by knowing the use of power. Throughout the course of history, there have been many other such wielders of power. There have even been dictators who regularly held plebiscites, in which their dictatorships were approved by an Ivory-soap-like percentage of the electorate. But their countries were not free, nor can any country remain free under such despotic power. Some of the current worship of powerful executives may come from those who admire strength and accomplishment of any sort. Others hail the display of Presidential strength simply because they approve of the result reached by the use of power. This is nothing less than the totalitarian philosophy that the end justifies the means If ever there was a philosophy of government TOTALLY AT WAR with that of the Founding Fathers, it is this one.
- Barry Goldwater

MB4 on May 4, 2009 at 2:35 PM

I’m no esteemed constitutional scholar like our vaunted Dear Leader, but this argument sounds precisely on point to me. You know, I’ll bet when Tom Lauria was on the law review at Tennessee he actually wrote some articles.

NoLeftTurn on May 4, 2009 at 2:35 PM

rbj on May 4, 2009 at 1:53 PM

and

amerpundit on May 4, 2009 at 1:53 PM

Cheers!

Jim708 on May 4, 2009 at 2:35 PM

Honestly, I don’t know. Unions probably have some kind of special status as entities. They are like a lower level of government, able to tax their members.

Count to 10 on May 4, 2009 at 2:12 PM

Better question…. do Unions pay taxes?

Anser? its a 501c… Non profit…

So, how does it suddenly become an investor who now takes profit from the majority ownership of a company?

Romeo13 on May 4, 2009 at 2:35 PM

The question, then, is “do the unions actually pursue the economic interests of the workers?”

Count to 10 on May 4, 2009 at 2:17 PM

The economic interests of a compulsory labor union lie in having more members from which to confiscate dues. Thus they advocate a policy requiring more workers when fewer would suffice.

The economic interest of the workers who are presently members of the union lie in restricting additional membership. Call W the free-market rate for labor and N the number of employees needed to do the job. The amount of money a union can successfully extort from a company is a fixed amount, which we will call X. The amount of money remaining to be distributed to the workers in additional pay after union dues have been paid we will call X’, which is X – (N × d), where d is the cut the union takes out of each paycheck. The number of additional workers the union succeeds in getting hired on is L.

It is clear then that the wages paid to the workers, if the level of employment = N, is W + (X’/N) = W + ((X – (N×d))/N) , whereas the wages in the inflated payroll scenario is W + (X’/(N + L)) = W + ((X – ((N + L)×d) / (N + L))) . L > 0, so each employed worker is clearly worse off under the N+L scenario by (XL – 2 LNd – 2 N²d)/(N×L) than under the N scenario by, whereas the union is better off by L×d.

Even exclusive of the loss to union dues, a question is raised–ought the union to be protecting the interests of the N workers only, or of the hypothetical L additional workers as well? Also, if one takes a Marxist approach and says that the union ought to look out for the interests of the whole of the working class, rather than just for its own actual members, then the best thing the union can do is cease to exist—the union hurts all workers by driving up the price of goods more than it helps its own specific members.

hicsuget on May 4, 2009 at 2:37 PM

Rae on May 4, 2009 at 2:29 PM

Did you see the underlying post I linked too besides Tyler on Page 1? It’s a must read.

SkinnerVic on May 4, 2009 at 2:38 PM

I would love to agree with you, and I do… except then what’s the point of a union? And again, what kind of entity IS the union? I mean if Company X that’s owned by a union makes a profit, who gets a share in that profit? The employees? I don’t think so. I think the management of the union gets the profit AND the “tax” on the employees via “dues.” Right?

UnderstandingisPower on May 4, 2009 at 2:27 PM

In this very specific case, the share of the company owned by the UAW is held in trust, with the proceeds from the ownership going directly into funding the pension plans for the workers. The more aggressively the union bargains with itself, the more the workers get now at the expense of their own future pensions.

hicsuget on May 4, 2009 at 2:40 PM

Go W&C.

LASue on May 4, 2009 at 2:46 PM

Complicated for sure with the outcome uncertain. Obama and crew were hoping this would not go to court. In fact they were almost right with the exception of this attorney Lauria.

Here’s the rumored threat that was used against a bondholder.

Confronting the head of a non-TARP fund holding Chrysler debt and unwilling to release it for any sum less than that to which it was legally entitled without compelling cause, this country’s “Car Czar” berated the manager of said fund with an outburst of prose substantially resembling this:

“Who the fuck do you think you’re dealing with? We’ll have the IRS audit your fund. Every one of your employees. Your investors. Then we will have the Securities and Exchange Commission rip through your books looking for anything and everything and nothing we find to destroy you with.”

Faced with these sorts of threats, in this environment, with valued employees in the crosshairs and AIG a fresh, open wound upon the market, the fund folded.

http://www.finemrespice.com/node/56

Threatening someone with the IRS is akin to calling Tony Soprano. Right or wrong, innocent or guilty, you are f’ked.

patrick neid on May 4, 2009 at 2:52 PM

Could someone please explain this to me?

In high school economics we learned that unions were created to balance out the power between management and the workers. Well, if the union management has now become MANAGEMENT/management… i.e. they own the company… what happens to the workers?

Guess they’ll need a union.

JellyToast on May 4, 2009 at 2:52 PM

SkinnerVic on May 4, 2009 at 2:38 PM

I used your scoop and gave you a h/t in the Updates.

Buy Danish on May 4, 2009 at 2:53 PM

“We’ll see whether the court rebukes Obama.”

If they do………..

………. get ready for Martial Law.

His hubris could not stand the defeat……..

Seven Percent Solution on May 4, 2009 at 2:53 PM

If I was a hedge fund, the threat of having your name dragged through the mud would pale in comparison to losing billions of dollars on your loans.

And how many hours in legal fees can you afford for the difference for the $100 Million difference between what the debt-holders offered and what the Administration was willing to agree to? Keep in mind, Chrysler owed them a BILLION dollars, and they were willing to settle for $400 million, walk away and let the UAW, Uncle Sam and Fiat have a new company with unburdened assets.

hawksruleva on May 4, 2009 at 2:54 PM

hicsuget on May 4, 2009 at 2:13 PM

We saw a precursor of this a few years ago when the UAW was given control of the employee health plan. I believe GM pays into a fund, but, the UAW controls the money and what it gets spent on.

As soon as the UAW was responsible for the costs of the health plan, the plans being offered were suddenly a lot less ‘awesome’. They’re still better than what many people have through work, but, the union provided plans substantially worse than the plans that GM was providing.

As soon as the UAW was the one responsible for making the decisions, suddenly, it wasn’t the worst thing in the world to offer the employees a good health plan instead of an amazing health plan.

I imagine that the employees will see the same thing happen elsewhere in Chrysler once the UAW is a major stockholder. I’d imagine it will suddenly become a lot easier to fire incompetent employees. I think that salary negotiations will also become a bit more reasonable as well now that the union actually has a stake in the company’s success.

JadeNYU on May 4, 2009 at 2:57 PM

I direct your attention to “Kelo vs. City of New London

So much for the 5th Amendment angle. All the Court will have to answer is whether or not this applies:

“[The] Court long ago rejected any literal requirement that condemned property be put into use for the … public.” Id., at 244. Rather, it has embraced the broader and more natural interpretation of public use as “public purpose.

The danger here is that if the Court agrees a public purpose is served by usurping established bankruptcy law and allowing the WH plan to proceed, no existing law will then be able to prevent the US Government from acting in any way it chooses. It will have the power to “take” anything from anyone at anytime, all in the name of “public purpose”.

“Public purpose” is easily transformed to “needs of the state”, which is a pure communist principle.

Hang on, folks….here it comes.

BobMbx on May 4, 2009 at 2:58 PM

hicsuget on May 4, 2009 at 2:37 PM

You might want to recalculate — union dues are always a percentage of wages, so the amount of money controlled by the union is proportional to the total labor costs of the company in question. This might encourage the one-wage-fits-all tendencies of unions, and their drive toward inefficiency.

Count to 10 on May 4, 2009 at 2:58 PM

SkinnerVic on May 4, 2009 at 2:38 PM

I did, after you directed me. I also saw it linked at ZeroHedge in one of the pertinent threads. (Sorry I re-posted! It is worth quoting.):

This (as yet unproven) yarn goes exactly like this:

Confronting the head of a non-TARP fund holding Chrysler debt and unwilling to release it for any sum less than that to which it was legally entitled without compelling cause, this country’s “Car Czar” berated the manager of said fund with an outburst of prose substantially resembling this:

Who the f^@k do you think you’re dealing with? We’ll have the IRS audit your fund. Every one of your employees. Your investors. Then we will have the Securities and Exchange Commission rip through your books looking for anything and everything and nothing we find to destroy you with.

Frightening, bone chilling stuff.

Others hail the display of Presidential strength simply because they approve of the result reached by the use of power. This is nothing less than the totalitarian philosophy that the end justifies the means If ever there was a philosophy of government TOTALLY AT WAR with that of the Founding Fathers, it is this one.
- Barry Goldwater

MB4 on May 4, 2009 at 2:35 PM

This is not going to end well. The differences between the progressives and the conservatives (not the GOP pols) in this country, and the progressives and the Constitution are becoming increasingly irreconcilable.

Rae on May 4, 2009 at 3:01 PM

I imagine that the employees will see the same thing happen elsewhere in Chrysler once the UAW is a major stockholder. I’d imagine it will suddenly become a lot easier to fire incompetent employees. I think that salary negotiations will also become a bit more reasonable as well now that the union actually has a stake in the company’s success.

JadeNYU on May 4, 2009 at 2:57 PM

You can expect Chrysler to go straight out of business within 2 years of the UAW exerting its control. Once the UAW sets it’s compensation requirements, the average retail price of a Chrysler automobile will be in the upper $60,000 range.

And they will never understand why nobody will pay that much for an average car.

BobMbx on May 4, 2009 at 3:02 PM

In this very specific case, the share of the company owned by the UAW is held in trust, with the proceeds from the ownership going directly into funding the pension plans for the workers. The more aggressively the union bargains with itself, the more the workers get now at the expense of their own future pensions.

hicsuget on May 4, 2009 at 2:40 PM

On the other hand, I think the pensions might be insured by a government agency, so, if the company fails, the pensions are payed by the tax payers. Or, you know, another bailout.

Count to 10 on May 4, 2009 at 3:02 PM

It’s good to see the investors legally fight back. However, I would not get too excited. Our legal system has as little regard for the constitution as does our president. If this goes to court and Obama gets his victory, heaven help us all.

MichiganMatt on May 4, 2009 at 3:03 PM

Obama is no sort of scholar at all. He’s just a syncophant, he recites all the liberal mantras, and applies them interchangeably. Liberals don’t bother to apply reason to their arguments any more.

Here’s an example. They’re advertising for cap & trade legislation, saying it’ll create jobs. But cap & trade is listed as a source of income for the government in the budget. If you’re sucking a bunch of money OUT of the economy, how does that create jobs? Even if you replace that money with (even more) government checks, how does that CREATE jobs? They’ll say that cap & trade is going to help us reduce dependence on foreign oil. But they won’t allow for any new exploration or nuclear power. They just throw that in so the ad sounds more “moderate”.

hawksruleva on May 4, 2009 at 3:04 PM

You might want to recalculate — union dues are always a percentage of wages, so the amount of money controlled by the union is proportional to the total labor costs of the company in question. This might encourage the one-wage-fits-all tendencies of unions, and their drive toward inefficiency.

Count to 10 on May 4, 2009 at 2:58 PM

I know that; I was just trying to keep the math simple. An equation where dues were a function of wages would require recursion, rather than algebra, to reach a solution, and would have no general form.

hicsuget on May 4, 2009 at 3:04 PM

MichiganMatt on May 4, 2009 at 3:03 PM

Once we’ve rid ourselves and this government of the Craven Criminals on Capitol Hill (on both sides of the aisle), we can get started on the ones in the judicial system.

Rae on May 4, 2009 at 3:05 PM

Constiwhational? That old thing? Bwahahah!

Grafted on May 4, 2009 at 3:07 PM

one could hope that this goes to the SCOTUS and the court takes the oppurtunity to strike down TARP as unconsitutional

unseen on May 4, 2009 at 3:08 PM

Rae on May 4, 2009 at 3:01 PM

On this thread I said that I didn’t think that Obama had quite reached Hugo Chavez’ level yet. If these alleged threats of sicking the I.R.S. and S.E.C. on the recalcitrant senior creditors are true, then Obama has most definitely crossed the line. And I have no reason to think they are not true.

Buy Danish on May 4, 2009 at 3:09 PM

The Constitution doesn’t apply to unicorns. QED.

So there.

DRPrice on May 4, 2009 at 3:15 PM

Good for them. I am astonished that no one ever brought suit for an injunction against Bush & Paulson or later against Obama& Geithner for the unconstitutional strong arming known as TARP. We’ve become a very passive people.

james23 on May 4, 2009 at 3:15 PM

Good for them. I am astonished that no one ever brought suit for an injunction against Bush & Paulson or later against Obama& Geithner for the unconstitutional strong arming known as TARP. We’ve become a very passive people.

james23 on May 4, 2009 at 3:15 PM

A bit of shock and aw, possibly with smattering of disbelief and a hind of betrayal.

Count to 10 on May 4, 2009 at 3:19 PM

Buy Danish on May 4, 2009 at 3:09 PM

His Narcissism and reckless hubris will be his downfall.

This man should not be allowed to nominate a SCOTUS justice until these matters are settled, if at all. I find it hard to believe these threats and strong arm tactics are not grounds for impeachment.

Rae on May 4, 2009 at 3:19 PM

nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

I’m betting they’ll twist this to mean, “We can do whatever we want because it’s in the public interest (public use).”

Daggett on May 4, 2009 at 3:20 PM

I find it hard to believe these threats and strong arm tactics are not grounds for impeachment.

He’ll never be impeached with a Democratic majority in congress.

Daggett on May 4, 2009 at 3:21 PM

Lauria and Co.: Godspeed. Someone has to stand up to these bullies who think the federal muscle exists to prop up their political power base.

evergreen on May 4, 2009 at 3:22 PM

Go Lauria!

And if you haven’t done so already, better hire yourself some heavy-duty personal security, PDQ.

AZCoyote on May 4, 2009 at 3:22 PM

“We’ll see whether the court rebukes Obama.”

If they do………..

………. get ready for Martial Law.

His hubris could not stand the defeat……..

Seven Percent Solution on May 4, 2009 at 2:53 PM

If Obama could get the votes, I see him upping the ante. He’d get them to pass legislation, making him, supreme ruler, and the only obstacle to his wants, would be……..nothing!

capejasmine on May 4, 2009 at 3:24 PM

Of course, and let’s just get this out of the way:

Lauria is raaaacist!!!

evergreen on May 4, 2009 at 3:24 PM

He’ll never be impeached with a Democratic majority in congress.

Daggett on May 4, 2009 at 3:21 PM

Exactly!!! Even if their constituents screamed from the mountain tops, to impeach, it’s not like they really care what their constituents want.

capejasmine on May 4, 2009 at 3:25 PM

One might think that a Constitutional scholar like Barack Obama would have already known that, but either this precedent escaped him or he doesn’t care about it at all.

Or as FDR said after he was told that many aspects of the New Deal may be unconstitutional, “we’ll worry about that later”.

Harpoon on May 4, 2009 at 3:27 PM

hawksruleva

YUP. The One is a prime example of university teachers who don’t really know much about their own subjects. Like English teachers who can’t write or even understand the language, history profs who base most of their classes on political nonsense or even science teachers who spend most of their time telling students about global warming.

Add to those examples the possible indication of Affirmative Action favortism and it is a shock that anyone takes this guy seriously.

IlikedAUH2O on May 4, 2009 at 3:29 PM

I think the most interesting part about this is that this administration knows that it can get the White House press corps to do its bidding!

And newspapers and networks wonder why their audience is leaving them,!!

Sheerq on May 4, 2009 at 3:34 PM

Unafraid In Greenwich Connecticut
Clifford S. Asness
Managing and Founding Principal
AQR Capital Management, LLC:

The President’s attempted diktat takes money from bondholders and gives it to a labor union that delivers money and votes for him. Why is he not calling on his party to “sacrifice” some campaign contributions, and votes, for the greater good? Shaking down lenders for the benefit of political donors is recycled corruption and abuse of power.

The whole thing is worth a read, and he lays out demonizing/giving the shaft to hedge funds also mean doing the same to “very sweet grandmothers” who invested in the same, and who would be better off taking their chances in bankruptcy court than Obama using their money to pay off special interests and the politically connected.

Rae on May 4, 2009 at 3:34 PM

When FDR tried to pack the court with six new seats in order to get his way, congress rolled over and gave him his way. Obooba already has a compliant congress, so should he decide to pack the court for good measure, congress and the press would act like it’s just another brilliant move by Fearless Leader and we’ll end up with seven or nine leftists activists on the court vs four conservatives.

Akzed on May 4, 2009 at 2:00 PM

Actually, congress didn’t roll over and give FDR 6 new justices. It was president Grant that had set the size of the court in 1869 to 9. FDR wasn’t liked at all for his move to pack the court, and in fact set the rules so that he had the power to nominate up to 8 justices!

That said, I could see Oblahblah doing the same stunt and the congress simply rolling over on this today.

Chaz706 on May 4, 2009 at 3:35 PM

The “Constitutional Scholar” who doesn’t know anything about the Constitution. His students should get their money back.

Every time The Won opens his mouth he proves to people with brains that he knows absolutely nothing about anything except liberal dogma. Even the things he’s supposed to be an expert in he knows nothing about.

J in STL on May 4, 2009 at 3:36 PM

Just what is a constitutional lawyer?
That’s like saying a “professional artist”. That would mean Renoir, and Picasso paint the same?

right2bright on May 4, 2009 at 3:39 PM

Barry: You will bow to my will as I’m the coolest Prez in all of history and I WON!

Red Blooded American Capitalist Pigs: Go F*ck yourself…

I love a Democracy…

Wyznowski on May 4, 2009 at 3:42 PM

Blaming President Bush for the old era of recognizing collateral on loans and loan contracts. That is why America has a problem. we accepted contract laws.

seven on May 4, 2009 at 3:48 PM

Obama’s plane violates that, basically wiping the bond holders out so that the UAW can keep it’s pensions and the government doesn’t look like it has been throwing money away. and the UAW will continue to vote the Dems in.
The violation of that contract violates the fifth amendment.

Count to 10 on May 4, 2009 at 2:00 PM

FIFY

mph on May 4, 2009 at 3:49 PM

Didn’t they get the memo? This administration does not recognize the Constitution as legitimate.

Sign of the Dollar on May 4, 2009 at 3:54 PM

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