Quinnipiac: Specter 53, Toomey 33; Specter 46, Ridge 43
posted at 3:40 pm on May 4, 2009 by Allahpundit
Independent voters, who back Sen. Specter over Toomey 45 – 36 percent, switch to Ridge 47 – 37 percent if he becomes a candidate. The former Republican Governor also gets 14 percent of the Democratic vote…
In the Specter-Toomey matchup, Republicans back Toomey 74 – 18 percent while Democrats go with their new convert 85 – 4 percent. Men back Specter 47 – 41 percent, as do women 59 – 26 percent. Union households go Democratic 62 – 27 percent.
In a Specter-Ridge face-off, Republicans go with Ridge 82 – 10 percent, while Specter takes Democrats 78 – 14 percent. Men shift to Ridge 50 – 41 percent, while women remain Democratic 51 – 37 percent. Union households back Specter 57 – 34 percent…
Pennsylvania voters approve 56 – 36 percent, including 81 – 10 percent among Democrats, of the job Specter is doing. By a 52 – 34 percent margin, voters have a favorable opinion of Specter. Toomey gets a 20 – 13 percent favorability, but 67 percent don’t know enough about him to form an opinion. Ridge gets a 55 – 19 percent favorability.
How significant is that last number? Karl reminded me on Twitter this morning that Barry O was once a little-known underdog to Hillary too, which is true, but (a) meaning no disrespect to Toomey, I doubt that he has The One’s retail or organizational skills, and (b) Obama and Hillary were playing on a basically even field whereas Toomey has to beat a Democrat in a state that went blue by 10 points last year. Will he so impress centrists and conservative Dems that they’ll abandon an incumbent with a net favorable rating of +20? Anything’s possible if the economy keeps tanking and the stimulus proves a bust, but even then, given these numbers, Ridge would likely ride the backlash to a better showing than Toomey would. In fact, Toomey would probably run to Ridge’s right in the GOP primary by hitting him for being pro-choice, which would play well with the base but set him up for disappointment in the general: As of 2005, at least, Pennsylvania voters were pro-choice by a margin of seven percent. (Yeah, Bob Casey’s pro-life, but the guy he beat, Rick Santorum, was even more adamantly so.) I don’t foresee much, if any, wavering in turnout among Republicans if Ridge is the nominee either. So desperately will they want to punish Specter for his apostasy that they’re bound to show up for whoever the nominee is.
Here’s what it boils down to. Is Toomey capable of running a campaign so effectively as to negate the big built-in advantages Ridge enjoys from his name recognition? Note that Ridge actually does better among Republicans in a match-up with Specter than Toomey does. And assuming that Toomey isn’t capable, is Ridge’s stance on abortion — an issue he’ll never vote on in the Senate — so objectionable that you’re forced to back a guy who probably can’t win instead?









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Yeah it’s Quinnipiac, but these numbers just about flopped my previous opinion on whether or not Ridge should jump in.
I would much rather have a solid fiscal conservative who’s pro-choice than watch Specter win re-election.
BadgerHawk on May 4, 2009 at 3:43 PM
This is if the election was held today, then?
Toomey will win in a landslide.
ZJPolitical on May 4, 2009 at 3:43 PM
Arlen specter used to be our best-case scenario for Pennsylvania. Now he’s our worst-case scenario, and there’s an off chance we might get somebody even better!
Don’t you get it Allah? Win or lose, we win.
joe_doufu on May 4, 2009 at 3:44 PM
Ridge is fine but Toomey’s better, anything to beat Specter. Ridge is just…old skool
youngO on May 4, 2009 at 3:45 PM
I’m all for Ridge running as he’ll likely win. An incumbent polling below 50% in a match up is always a bad thing.
Illinidiva on May 4, 2009 at 3:45 PM
Does Allahpundit have swine flu or something, that we’re just rehashing the morning headline threads?
BigD on May 4, 2009 at 3:47 PM
I hate the GOP.
darwin on May 4, 2009 at 3:48 PM
Right. Like McCain was going to win in a landslide over Obama.
Still cranky from the Palin thread, huh? If I have something to add to a Headlines item, I’ll post on it. If you’re not up for “rehash,” you’re always welcome not to read it.
Allahpundit on May 4, 2009 at 3:49 PM
only Republican who can win PA is Spector. Obama called them bigots who cling to guns and religion and won by 10 points
nice343 on May 4, 2009 at 3:49 PM
Meh. I don’t like the idea of the NRSC endorsing one candidate over another, but if Ridge gets in and wins the primary then I guess he would be better than Specter.
What else is Ridge moderate on, besides abortion?
changer1701 on May 4, 2009 at 3:49 PM
Who are you kiddin’, AP?
You’d be shilling and shrilling for Specter if he still had (R) next to his name. Your opinion is worthless.
Aristotle on May 4, 2009 at 3:50 PM
Toomey is electable.
This race will be SOLELY on the economy/spending, unless we’re attacked.
If the economy is in the dumps with 10% unemployment, Toomey should win.
Now, on Quinn. They are horrible pollsters and almost always lean Dem.
Look at their 2008 results.
artist on May 4, 2009 at 3:50 PM
The entire problem here is simple. The voters of PA want and need a leader, with vision, and convictions to vote for!
All this flacid, wishy washy moderate gruel is just nauseating and does not promote a movement in the polls.
If we as conservatives are going to party-build, then lets do it from a position of strength and try not to get mired in an Allahpundit style of moderate nuance.
epluribusunum on May 4, 2009 at 3:51 PM
Its funny how republicans always discredit polls they don’t like. Of course President McCain knows a who lot about it
nice343 on May 4, 2009 at 3:51 PM
I would rather have Toomey than Ridge, but I would rather have Ridge than Toomey. Let them both run and have the PA residents pick which one they want.
deidre on May 4, 2009 at 3:51 PM
I’m not 100% sure that Toomey will be all that dejected if he loses the repub primary to a more electable guy, who is far to the right of Specter and a much better human being to boot. He’ll still have punished Specter for his “stimulus” vote, all the more so if Specter loses the General or the Dem primary. (ironically, having a more electable republican running in the repub primary probably makes it MORE likely that Specter will get a strong opponent in the dem primary)
BuzzCrutcher on May 4, 2009 at 3:51 PM
Hahaha
AllahP, your base is sooooo delusional.
They really don’t care about winning at all.
Just like Hofstader and Frum say.
You will be in the wilderness a loong, looong time.
Can I be your facebook bff?
lol!
strangelet on May 4, 2009 at 3:52 PM
Toomey can’t win, unless there is a nation-wide blowback against all Democrats. something beyond just red-state disgust.
jp on May 4, 2009 at 3:52 PM
deidre on May 4, 2009 at 3:52 PM
I’m sorry but I’m from Texas. I just don’t voters in PA. What kind of leadership do y’all like? You just vote for people that insult you? Obama, Murtha, Specter (basically)
youngO on May 4, 2009 at 3:54 PM
Couple of problems …
First … it’s not JUST Ridge’s stand on abortion.
Second of all – why are you saying that Toomey can’t win? I see a couple of polls here where the election is almost a year and a half away (i.e. – they’re worthless).
Second – even if they were worth something – I see less than a double digit lead over Toomey by Ridge in a poll that I’m assuming has around a 3% MOE. What is that possibly? A seven-point difference between the two.
Third – doesn’t Toomey get any consideration for his role in getting Spector out of the party? The guy’s a hero. But it’s just like a moderate Republican to jump in on the success of a true Conservative and try to move him out of the scene – after he’s won the battle.
Forth – with so much time between now and the election – you’re completely discounting the Obama factor. Do you really think Obama will BE MORE popular next November? Doubtful. More than likely people will be a little ticked off from paying higher taxes, higher utility bills, and driving around in solar cars that break down in bad neighborhoods at night. They’ll be looking for a change then.
HondaV65 on May 4, 2009 at 3:56 PM
If it’s Ridge against Benedict, the tie Spector to Bush strategy the GOP was going to use is mute.
veni vidi vici on May 4, 2009 at 3:56 PM
Toomey can win. He won a seat in the house from a heavily democrap district. If he can raise money and can effectively get his optimistic message out, I think he can win.
If the Republican “leadership” does anything to upset his candidacy, I will be leaving the party completely. I firmly believe that Toomey represents exactly where we should be going as a party and if those rat bastards stab him in the back again, that will be the last straw. They screwed him in 2004 to support an f’in turncoat and they damn well better remember that treachery and NOT repeat it. If they want to send a strong message, then the “leaders” in the Senate better endorse him.
I will be doing whatever I can to see him elected, money, volunteering anything. He is an honest and strong proponent of fiscal discipline and free markets. He’s one of the few who have actually kept a promise to leave office after the 3 terms he stated during his campaign.
We need honest people in DC.
crashland on May 4, 2009 at 3:56 PM
Isn’t ‘electability uber alles’ how we ended up with Specter ?
S. Weasel on May 4, 2009 at 3:56 PM
Since PA is a closed primary system, having a choice of candidates should always be preferred over pre-selection by the party. The party, though, should not fund either campaign, nor endorse a candidate.
WashJeff on May 4, 2009 at 3:56 PM
Why is the GOP so nakedly choosing power over principle? What about the tea parties don’t they get?
Theworldisnotenough on May 4, 2009 at 3:56 PM
Doesn’t really matter. I’d give money to Toomey’s campaign just to tweak the nose of the wimps in the GOP, and be happy if he won. Ridge? Not a penny. He’s part of the problem, not part of the solution.
But in the end, unless we get 20 new people in the Senate that are at least as good as Toomey, and much better than Ridge, it isn’t going to even slow down our Nation”s slide into the Abyss.
LegendHasIt on May 4, 2009 at 3:56 PM
Team bho and acorn are going to give it all they can to see a D wins. If the team can find another really good D they will support them. It all comes down to numbers. I just hope a R wins and not that arlen slug.
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letget on May 4, 2009 at 3:56 PM
Is it possible, Democrats are looking to the future? Specter is a bit long in the tooth. If he can’t sustain 6 more years, then they can choose a replacement, that would be far more liberal, in the long run.
capejasmine on May 4, 2009 at 3:58 PM
As I said earlier, this poll is hogwash or Specter would still be a RINO.
dogsoldier on May 4, 2009 at 3:59 PM
Okay, but twice in one day (so far), especially a Palin/Romney thread, is more like morning breath than hot air.
BigD on May 4, 2009 at 4:00 PM
If 67% of the PA electorate doesn’t know enough about Toomey to have an opinion of him, he’d better start seriously campaigning. Ridge IS electable, and the only time when pro-choice matters for a Senator is when voting on a SCOTUS nominee–would Ridge filibuster an Obama nominee? Let them both run, and may the best man win!
Of course, Quinnipiac assumes that Specter would win the Dem primary, which is not assured. If another Democrat got into the race, Specter could be squeezed out.
Steve Z on May 4, 2009 at 4:01 PM
I don’t think anything, really. I’m waiting for some other commenters to clue me in on why Ridge would be so bad also.
BadgerHawk on May 4, 2009 at 4:02 PM
First you need to give Specter a chance to screw them over.
THEN you take a poll.
drjohn on May 4, 2009 at 4:02 PM
This seems the wrong question. It seems clear that Ridge has some name recognition that helps make him competitive with Specter. The real question is can Toomey develop enough in the next 18 months to match that. IF not, then you have to decide that he is unelectable and look at alternatives.
OBQuiet on May 4, 2009 at 4:05 PM
Right, BEFORE the MSM decides to help shape that opinion. I’m convinced that’s one reason Palin had/has such high negatives…nobody knew anything about her, and the media obliged by filling in the blanks with negative info.
changer1701 on May 4, 2009 at 4:05 PM
Here it is:
Toomey’s positions are not known to MOST of my fellow Pennsylvanians. Arlen’s are. OF COURSE he’s going to have a large edge, right now. Give it time.
RWLA on May 4, 2009 at 4:07 PM
Electability = Stupidability
thirteen28 on May 4, 2009 at 4:08 PM
Hahaha
AllahP, your base is sooooo delusional.
You must be Allahpundits target audience
AllahPundit
Pro-abortion
Pro-gay marriage
Atheist or anti-diest
Why not just be a democrat and try to influence them to the right rather than be on the right and influence us to the left ?
Seriously what did we do to ever deserve your brillance.
Same with Frum and Brooks
kangjie on May 4, 2009 at 4:10 PM
Rockmom would be the expert on this, but I don’t think there’s any real objection. Ridge is a former governor and former head of Homeland Security. I think the issue is one of establishment versus not. One would think Toomey’s fiscal conservatism would be a huge plus given today’s economy. He is pro-life, but so is Pennsylvania’s other senator, Bob Casey (although he did note for Sebelius). Perhaps two pro-lifers senators in Pennsylvania is one too many.
Toomey may well have beaten Specter in the GOP primary in 2004 had not Arlen had W’s support. There’s some face to save in not having Toomey on the ballot.
BigD on May 4, 2009 at 4:12 PM
Just a point here…. Arlen Specter went back to his Democrat roots less than a week ago. Up until that time any GOP contender was in a different situation than they are now that the rat bastard traitor is no longer foisting himself on Republicans. The process, in other words, has had to start anew where Toomey or Ridge is now fighting as the non-incumbent instead of a challenger for a seat held by the GOP. Different dynamics.
P.S. The local paper today had a great comment about Specter and all the other elderly politicians. Specter is almost 80 and riddled with cancer. When he was elected, it wasn’t until death do us part. I would add that the only way to change Washington is to throw many of the elderly political class out on their corrupt rear ends so that new blood and ideas might make it through the filth of a bunch of people more interested in staying in power than doing anything. In that light Toomey is a far better choice for Senate than Ridge who has had his time in DC and brings more baggage than a 747.
highhopes on May 4, 2009 at 4:14 PM
News Flash: the people who vote primarily on abortion are going to vote for the Republican regardless of who it is.
Speedwagon82 on May 4, 2009 at 4:14 PM
Didn’t Casey win on his family name though, for the most part, and the anti-GOP tide that year? I mean, a pro-lifer can certainly win, but I don’t know that Casey is the best example of that…Santorum would be, I guess.
changer1701 on May 4, 2009 at 4:18 PM
Looks like huffpo, and Kos let their lil goons of their leashes again.
Or….they got marching orders, because the big story all over the place, seems to be Obama threatening those in the private sector, that choose to follow the laws.
capejasmine on May 4, 2009 at 4:21 PM
Pennsylvania likes sticking forks in babies’ heads. Give em what they want. Simple as that.
spmat on May 4, 2009 at 4:21 PM
Voila…….and Specter, I hear, will be in charge of the vetting, yet again, for the Court appointment.
Heaven help us.
*dreams of Anita Hill’s smearing float back*
AnninCA on May 4, 2009 at 4:21 PM
The issue is not abortion so stop throwing that out there. Voting for or against Ridge, who I like, has nothing to do with abortion. It is totally about whether we can trust the moderates to stand with us on the other issues. Will Ridge as a “moderate” compromise on other issues as well. If he will then he serves us no purpose.
sjramos on May 4, 2009 at 4:24 PM
If Defecter is only a few points ahead of a neo-RINO like Ridge now, it proves that he’s beatable in a Democrat primary, and I hope he chokes like Cass Eliot on Joe Sestak or some such. In the end, I would take Ridge, Sestak or Ed freaking Rendell over Defector. Maybe Defecter and Sestak can bloody each other up in the primary and open the door for Toomey, who seems quite likeable.
Specter is poop in suit, so out with the old poop and in with the new poop.
Western_Civ on May 4, 2009 at 4:25 PM
You’re probably right. Casey was establishment and, like Santorum pro-life. I think the Terri Schiavo thing hurt Santorum, but I don’t have a real good feel for that, being in Delaware.
BigD on May 4, 2009 at 4:27 PM
We’ll never get rid of these feckless old farts, no matter which party they’re in. You can’t get people to vote them out. They’ll be in office until they turn into a rotting corpse, and the they’ll turn into the living dead. Specter, the dictionary aptly describes it as: a haunting or disturbing prospect.
scalleywag on May 4, 2009 at 4:28 PM
I like Ridge, but his running is only a rumor. I think Toomey can pull it off, these early numbers obviously reflect his lack of name recognition. I also seriously doubt Specter will go unchallenged in the Democratic primary and if a tough Democrat does step forward, Specter could ose support fast and be forced to fight him off.
Daemonocracy on May 4, 2009 at 4:29 PM
Toomey and Ridge need to fight it out, and let the winner beat the lving hell our of double-turncoat Arlen.
Either Toomey or Ridge would be better than that four-flushing weasel.
profitsbeard on May 4, 2009 at 4:32 PM
Pennsylvanians better cling to guns and religion, because they’re dumber ‘n a stump.
kirkill on May 4, 2009 at 4:32 PM
Good point.
I don’t know about you guys, but I’m almost at the point where I don’t even care about politics anymore. Just tell me who is running a month before its time.
…I know, the terrorists have won.
Vigilante on May 4, 2009 at 4:32 PM
Schiavo definitely hurt Santorum as well as a general perception he was too conservative. I personally think Ridge has a better chance of winning against Specter assuming he gets the Dem nomination. I like Toomey but I have no problem supporting Ridge, he would never defect like Specter and would be a pretty reliable vote for the Republicans.
msmveritas on May 4, 2009 at 4:32 PM
Before or after the Kemp “foot in mouth” moment?
Branch Rickey on May 4, 2009 at 4:33 PM
Fab, the regurgitation begins again…
Branch Rickey on May 4, 2009 at 4:36 PM
Obama lost PA in the primary.
But it appears that PA residents are comfortable with Specter.
And he’ll be given the vetting of the Supreme Court nominee, which I presume is his chance to set a new record for himself.
That’s his payoff. I’m convinced.
Otherwise, he and Anita Hill would need to be buried together.
AnninCA on May 4, 2009 at 4:41 PM
The other thing to consider – in addition to others mentioned above regarding Quinnipiac and timing – is that Ridge is a known quantity. His numbers shouldn’t fluctuate much from here. Toomey has more upside, theoretically. I’ll yield to the people who actually know him and the state: Maybe he lacks the “gravitas” of great senators like, um, Barbara Boxer from my home state… but seat-counting isn’t going to turn this country around. Creating and testing an authentic alternative, even at the cost of a winnable seat here and there, is a lot more important than marginal shifts of selected seats from moderately D to moderately R.
I’ll repeat what I said in the headline thread: You don’t see many nutroots types lamenting Lamont or dissing Dean. Even dwarfs started small.
CK MacLeod on May 4, 2009 at 4:41 PM
Exactly. Because Toomey is the moderate like McCain was. Oh, wait…
ZJPolitical on May 4, 2009 at 4:47 PM
I am not convinced that PA voters are all that comfortable with Specter. There was a poll early this year that I can’t seem to find but it showed that most voters, D & R, felt it was time for him to retire. I think Ridge would be a strong contender to beat Specter because people here have a generally positive feeling about his two terms as governor. Toomey doesn’t have the name recognition to poll well among the general electorate here yet. Ridge is a reliable Republican and if he can beat Specter I am inclined to support him.
msmveritas on May 4, 2009 at 4:47 PM
Is this incessant whining by Alluh going to continue for the next 2 to 4 years? Get over yourself. Ridge cannot beat Toomey in a PA primary, but keep pushing forward with the moderate theme. Alluh believes half a loaf of bread is better than none…but conservatives have finally figured out that half of nothing equals nothing! But by all means keep pushing the mime that conservatives can’t win! How that moderate John Mccain work out for us???
jmell7 on May 4, 2009 at 4:48 PM
If the NSRC gets involved in this to support Ridge, I will definitely be sending money to Toomey. The brain trust that wasted millions on Jeffords needs to stay the hell out of this primary.
Are you sure the Ridge is only a squish on abortion? What makes you think he would be better than Collins, Snowe, or Lindsey Graham?
Greg Q on May 4, 2009 at 4:50 PM
If abortion is the only issue Ridge is moderate on, then what’s wrong with supporting him in the primary? Hell, if he polls that much higher than Toomey, then this is a no-brainer. Now the fact that I’m pro-choice obviously makes it easier to accept Ridge as the GOP nominee, but c’mon folks. Are we really gonna piss away a chance to take back a Senate seat over abortion?
Doughboy on May 4, 2009 at 4:52 PM
Well, I’m from a state that allowed the aging senator to decide that.
A long-term senator definitely has clout. I don’t follow PA politics, so it’s interesting to see he was in trouble in his own primary.
I posted above that I’m convinced he wants to wipe his record clean of the Anita Hill debacle.
That’s the real deal that was made.
When I saw the news this morning, I so got it. It has nothing to do with Reid or anyone.
Obama offered him a way to scrub his record, or so he thinks.
Remember, this is a guy who is responible for the worst justice on the Court. Nobody respect Thomas.
AnninCA on May 4, 2009 at 4:52 PM
No one in California thought Arnold could win reelection after his special elections tanked in his first term. Public polls showed his future dem opponents Phil Angelides and Steve Wesley ahead of him. But he ran an effective campaign, and people were still allured by his star power, and he ended up winning big.
Of course, Arnold is a RINO who’s gone the way of George Bush. But remember how he was elected in the first place. Californians (who lean left) recalled dem governor Gray Davis and replaced him with a charismatic Hollywood figure who initially started out as a fiscal conservative.
GOP doesn’t have to make win big immediately. Let’s face it, they’re not storming back in two years. But they should make modest gains and set the stage for long term change. Just look at California – it’s been essentially ran under the Obama economic doctrine. Sooner or later, dems like Specter will fall out of favor, even if he does win.
Mad Kimchi on May 4, 2009 at 4:55 PM
Too many variables this early on.
Will Specter face a challenge in the Dems’ primary? Yes, most likely, so will that affect who shows up on the Left to support the new “DINO” either way? Does Ridge’s entry in the race deter any dems from challenging Specter for the rights to a tough general election contest?
Does Toomey suffer from a disparity in name recognition alongside a former governor (having only run for a GOP nomination), such that he stands to gain ground in this sort of polling? Possibly, but the slandering Left won’t waste time characterizing him as “mean” or “extreme.” (Look for a DHS report naming Toomey’s organization.)
There’s still a lot of time left …
cackcon on May 4, 2009 at 4:57 PM
It’s a poll of name ID.
And the agenda could not be clearer, given that Ridge said last week that he’s not running, while Quinnipiac cannot be bothered to run a potential Specter vs. Sestak matchup.
The other questions I noted on Twitter with AP are: (1) what does GDP look like a year from now; and (2) what does unemployment look like a year from now? To which I will add (3) How much are Obama and the Dems going to overreach in the next year? Santorum won in 1994 in no small part as a backlash to the the Clinton economy and agenda. If 2010 plays out like 1982 or 1994, either Ridge or Toomey could beat Specter or Sestak. OTOH, if the economy is sailing then, neither Ridge nor Toomey beats the Dem nominee in PA.
The only thing today’s poll tells you is that, at the margin, if things are neither considerably better or considerably worse, Ridge is a stronger candidate in PA than the relatively unknown, more conservative Toomey.
And didn’t we know that without a poll?
Karl on May 4, 2009 at 4:58 PM
That’s true of any poll taken anywhere, though. If things change dramatically, so will the numbers. Indeed. My question is, in which dramatically different scenario does Toomey magically become a stronger candidate than Ridge? If the economy tanks, the GOP has a much better shot at the seat — no matter who the nominee is. If the economy recovers, our shot is much worse — no matter who the nominee is. Give me a scenario where Toomey’s actually a better bet than Ridge.
Allahpundit on May 4, 2009 at 5:04 PM
Just my opinion, Arnold is a sleaze-bag. He’s a sexist jerk.
AnninCA on May 4, 2009 at 5:07 PM
Exactly, so why put stock in this one?
The one where — after going through a needlessly finger-pointing primary about the direction of the GOP — Ridge comes out damaged, with a base that doesn’t care to door-knock, phone bank, etc. for him, and a Dem nominee who skewers him with any tack rightward he made to try to appease the base.
Karl on May 4, 2009 at 5:12 PM
In the PA Republican primary Toomey is a better bet than Ridge! You know…where actual Republicans vote and not some “party know-it-alls.” And I’ll make a really bold bet…Ridge will not even get in the race because he knows he can’t win in the primary. But rumors are great!
jmell7 on May 4, 2009 at 5:13 PM
I think it’s just a matter of comfortability.
But why was he losing his own primary?
AnninCA on May 4, 2009 at 5:13 PM
Moreover, if Ridge does get in the race, a Sestak challenge to Specter becomes more likely.
Yet Quinnipiac did not poll that scenario, which should tell people why the poll was done.
Karl on May 4, 2009 at 5:22 PM
Allah pushing the “moderate” on us? Color me shocked.
It's Vintage, Duh on May 4, 2009 at 5:23 PM
Hey, how about a campaign where the Dems remind voters that Ridge left PA to become the guy who came up with the color-coded terror alerts and urged everyone to buy plastic sheets and duct tape?
Awesome!
Karl on May 4, 2009 at 5:26 PM
I’ve always said that there must be something in the water in PA. Those idiots elected Murtha again over a real war hero conservative. What are the chance that they’ll jettison Specter in favor of a conservative?
The life-long Demomorons in this country won’t wake up until they’re told what they can eat, when they can eat, what they can hear, what they can say and whether or not they get health care and get to live.
orlandocajun on May 4, 2009 at 5:34 PM
Tom Ridge failed to register a nearly half-million-dollar lobbying contract that he had with the government of Albania.
Not to worry: Who doesn’t love lobbyists for foreign governments?
Karl on May 4, 2009 at 5:35 PM
Tom Ridge: Further to the Left than Obama on rights for terror detainees.
I can just feel the Ridge fever now.
Karl on May 4, 2009 at 5:37 PM
Never. Mind. Electability.
Run on PRINCIPLE. Run on Conservatism. Run on WHAT IS RIGHT FOR AMERICA.
Then we will win.
There is no moderate voter- they are uninformed voters influenced by the passions of those around them.
Ya want ‘moderates’ to come to our side??? Fire up the base!
ExTex on May 4, 2009 at 5:41 PM
Obama lost PA in the primary.
But it appears that PA residents are comfortable with Specter.
Agreed, and if they vote Specter back in, and things go to hell in a hand basket for their state…..I don’t wanna hear any whining, when the boom is lowered. You get what you vote for!
capejasmine on May 4, 2009 at 5:42 PM
I really do not care what the poll results are now. I am supporting Toomey. Period. I’m through with moderates like Specter and Ridge, all they produce is disappointment.
For the record, I am no longer a republican. I am registered as “no party affiliation” here in Pennsylvania. Further, I could care less what the national republicans plan or plot, most of the them could find their butts with both hands let alone run the country. So, to hell with the GOP. To hell with the democraps. I’m voting for a conservative, if we win good, if we don’t then nothing has changed.
Zorro on May 4, 2009 at 5:56 PM
I’m somewhat sympathetic, Zorro.
I’m not so sure moderate works these days.
AnninCA on May 4, 2009 at 6:04 PM
Ridge has a history in that state, the people know and respect him. I don’t know if Toomey can overcome that or not. I just hope Specter gets beat. He deserves to lose.
Terrye on May 4, 2009 at 6:04 PM
Zorro:
Ridge is not all that moderate in most ways.
Terrye on May 4, 2009 at 6:05 PM
Where is the comparison between a Democrat running and Specter?
PappaMac on May 4, 2009 at 6:12 PM
I read that Tom Ridge grew up in Veterans Housing in Erie PA and got into Harvard with a scholarship. He worked his way through and went into the service and served in Viet Nam. He returned home after his appendix went bad and his hearing was lost in one ear.
He does not seem like a lightweight to me. And the people of PA elected him to both the Governor’s office and the House of Representatives.
I don’t have anything against Toomey at all, but after Santorum lost it might be that Ridge would have a better chance of winning in the general.
Terrye on May 4, 2009 at 6:13 PM
My prayers for you, Zorro, and your state! I think we all want what’s best for our Country, and so far, what we have, is far from being best!
capejasmine on May 4, 2009 at 6:27 PM
It’s very simple for me. I’ll vote for Ridge in the primary, and if he wins I’ll vote for him in the general election. If Toomey wins, I’ll vote Specter.
I’m not sure why anyone thinks that Toomey can do better than Santorum did in 2006. It’s just too easy to portray Toomey as an Santorum, and the swinger voters are quite likely to remember why they disliked Santorum, his extremism on abortion and gay issues finally caught up with him.
thuja on May 4, 2009 at 6:43 PM
Being a native of Pennsylvania, it simultaneously annoys and amuses me to read comments about Pennsylvania politics from people whose only experience of the state is eating Tastykakes.
Several points to keep in mind when trying to analyze this race:
1) As has been pointed out, Specter will be 80 years old next year, and has had two bouts with cancer. People in PA are definitely aware of this.
2) The The Pro-Life and Pro-Gun ownership movements are very strong in PA. The proof of this is the election of Bob Casey. Do some research, and you will find out that the reasons why Schumer picked him was because of his stands on abortion and guns. Having taken these issues off the table, the election became a referendum on Santorum, who was perceived as being too close to the Bush Administration and as having lost touch with the state.
3) Remember, Toomey came within a hare’s breath of beating Specter in 2004. The only thing that saved Specter was George W. Bush’s campaigning for him in Central PA just before the election, under the mistaken belief that Specter was needed to save the seat.
4) Toomey (or I for that matter ) can beat Ridge in our sleep. It’s very simple – George W. Bush is extremely unpopular in PA (see point 3). Run ads linking Ridge to Bush, and see how far and fast Ridge’s numbers fall.
5) Can anyone name a significant achievement of Tom Ridge as a congressman, governor, or DHS Secretary (besides duct tape, code orange and long lines in the airport)?
6) Having been told for the better part of 20 years that fiscal conservatism and not social conservatism is the way forward for the GOP. Yet here is Pat Toomey, who has made is name as a fiscal conservative, and now we are told that we need to be moderates to win.
7) Had the financial meltdown not occurred, there is a very strong chance McCain could have won in PA.
8) Lastly, the Pennsylvania electorate can be very ornery, and they aren’t shy about giving the establishment the boot. Just ask the Republican leaders in the General Assembly who were sent packing by voters in the 2006 Republican primary.
I hope this helps clear up some of the MSM generated fog.
DagoTwit on May 4, 2009 at 6:48 PM
I’m not entirely adverse to the electability issue but I don’t think that should be the only criteria.
And to you Allah, Pro-Choice or Pro-Life might just be a policy issue. But to most of us who are Pro-Life it’s a very, very, very important issue. “Pro-Choice” is just another way of saying “Pro Murdering innocent children”.
I do understand he’d have little input on the issue but you seem to dismiss it as just another policy and it’s not.
Kronos on May 4, 2009 at 7:03 PM
Ridge should probably just run for Casey’s seat.
Speedwagon82 on May 4, 2009 at 7:17 PM
Casey claims to be pro-life and was elected with the understanding that he was, but he has been reprimanded twice by Bishop Martino for pro-abortion votes: the one you mention; another vote for a pro-abort cabinet member (can’t remember her name/position) and worst of all; for repeal of the Mexico City Policy. From all indications, he is on the verge of being instructed not to present himself for Communion so he isn’t looking very pro-life these days.
I’m praying that Toomey wins the primary and am willing to send his campaign money should he. On the other hand, I too will be finished with the GOP if they interfere to select Ridge.
However, if Ridge were to win the primary and the election, I can find two silver linings to an otherwise disappointing situation. First, he would still be better than Specter on a practical level. Second and more importantly to me personally (as a Catholic), it would be more fuel on the fire held to the Bishops’ feet, forcing them to finally take a stand. Every time a prominent ‘Catholic’/’Catholic’ institution supports abortion ‘rights’, more of the bishops stand up. Five of Pennsylvania’s have been part of the chorus speaking out against Notre Dame. I’m not sure how many they have, but that’s pretty good. Anyway, many more need to stand up, but it’s a start, and some action needs to be taken in addition to the words, but we get a little closer to that point with every heretic that comes along. Non-Catholics and/or those who don’t care about the murder of the innocent unborn probably could not care less, but as a Catholic, it is tremendously important to me. I am sick to death of pro-abortion ‘catholics’ scandalizing my Church. I will NEVER vote for one of them. EVER.
I really hope Toomey wins. I’m tired of conservatives settling, and I think he can win. Rick Santorum won until he was knifed in the back by circumstances and Arlen Specter from what I recall and I’ll take DagoTwit’s word over thuja’s wishful thinking any day.
pannw on May 4, 2009 at 7:28 PM
Here’s another poll from the PEG Political Action Committee:
RIDGE SPECTER A STATISTICAL DEAD HEAT; TOOMEY TRAILS
“PEG PAC found that if the election for US Senate were held today, Tom Ridge could defeat Arlen Specter by a margin of 39 percent to 38 percent. The poll also shows Specter would defeat Pat Toomey by a margin of 42 percent to 36 percent.” The number of undecided voters in the survey is over 20 percent cautioned Patti, and the margin of error is +/- 2.8 percent, so the association leader said the results are not conclusive.
Loxodonta on May 4, 2009 at 7:42 PM
I don’t know why this idea of Santorum being too conservative for PA gets so much play among some people. Although he has strong conservative principles, I think he was more like George Bush in many ways. As far as his electability is concerned; in the 1990 race in the House of Representatives,Santorum ran against a seven term incumbent in a heavily Democrat district and won, and subsequently was re-elected for a second term. He then ran for the U.S. Senate in 1994, where he pulled off a big win over the Democrat incumbent, Harris Wofford. Santorum went on to win re-election to the U.S. Senate in 2000.
There were a number of factors to blame in his 2006 loss. He really angered the PA base with his endorsement of Specter in Specter’s 2004 campaign. The media hounded him for claiming residence in Penn Hills, PA while maintaining a VA home where, I believe, his family lived and received PA charter school tuition for his children. And his opponent in 2006 was the son of an incredibly popular governor, Bob Casey.
I met the senior Casey when the PA pro-life group supported him over pro-abortion Barbara Hafer. Who would have guessed his son would be just another cog in the Democrat machinery. His father was very outspoken in his pro-life views.
Constance on May 4, 2009 at 9:17 PM
BTW, Hafer was defeated by Casey 68%-32% If some of you are interested in following PA politics, check the website grassrootspa.com.
Constance on May 4, 2009 at 9:26 PM
Can someone please explain how this loser can even get a vote. Are Dims so stupid that they will embrace this guy? Does he have any kind of message or platform other than Arlen SPector staying in power.
If I was a Dim I wouldn’t vote for him on principle. Wait a second, that just cleared it up for me
America1st on May 4, 2009 at 11:18 PM
I swear, Allah is worse than the leftist press on abortion. Read your own rhetoric, dude. If Toomey is never going to vote on abortion, why is it the only issue you’re talking about?
Think name recognition has something to do with this poll? Think the 95% Dem satisfaction with “the job Specter is doing” will change after more than a week as a Democrat?
Give it a rest.
Jaibones on May 4, 2009 at 11:41 PM
Headline sounds like the Kentucky Derby! My money is on Specter because I think Ridge has too much self respect to run for the US Senate.
kens on May 5, 2009 at 2:05 PM
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