Limbaugh: Jeb Bush and the anti-nostalgists hate Palin
posted at 5:40 pm on May 4, 2009 by Allahpundit
A rejoinder to last night’s quote of the day. “Clearly,” says Rush, “in last year’s campaign, the most prominent, articulate voice for standard, run-of-the-mill, good old fashioned American conservatism was Sarah Palin.” Was she? On what subject, aside from the value of life and energy policy, was she any more compelling a spokesman than, say, Fred Thompson? This is the fundamental mystery of Palin’s appeal to me: It’s not that I don’t like her, it’s that I simply don’t see why she’s been anointed the new Reagan by so much of the base. As reviled RINO Mike Huckabee famously observed, she and he aren’t so different on the issues. In fact, aside from her convention speech, the rhetoric for which she’s most remembered during the campaign isn’t any articulation of conservative ideals but for accusing The One, correctly, of being entirely too comfortable around Bill Ayers. If Rush is right that some members of the new National Council for a New America are “embarrassed” by her, doubtless it has less to do with policy — she and Romney have the same stances on virtually everything except health care (I think), after all — than with the tabloid distractions that seem to follow her around. From what I can tell, the true key to her alleged Reaganism has little to do with policy at all and everything to do with her being an unpretentious small-town kid whose fondness for hunting and hockey gives her a populist authenticity no other politician can touch. (Which explains why items like this are so popular with readers.) Is that what it takes to be Reagan these days? No room for, say, Bobby Jindal either? Click the image to listen.
Update: So much for “hate”: Palin announced today that she’ll be working with the Council, thanks in part to outreach towards her by McCain and Cantor last week.
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Word at my CT peeps!
SOOO LAZY
blatantblue on May 4, 2009 at 6:20 PM
Isn’t this like the 1000000000000000000th time you’ve said this Roger?
Allah, we’re still waiting for than ban….
davek70 on May 4, 2009 at 6:20 PM
Recalling Reagan and Jack Kemp, we remember that Reagan didn’t come up with policy by himself on anything beyond LOVING AMERICA (oUR CONSTITUTION THAT UNITES US ALL) AND FIERCE DETERMINATION TO CONQUER THE EVIL EMPIRE spawned by Marx. Reagan knew what struck the right chord when he looked into matters, and was able to sell his message and influence others based upon his absolute affection for the American people. Reagan didn’t have a vindictive bone in his body.
Palin is a lot like Reagan in personable temperament, he practicality in prioritization, and her leadership quality to designate effective authority to her cabinet members whom she does not micromanage, saving the final decision for herself. Reagan made practical compromises in order to keep America moving forward, and it worked rather well for us all while he was around.
After the assassination attempt, he tolerated a lot of gun control legislation that Palin would not allow to further erode our Constitutional Rights.
And of course, the temporary worker legitimization of illegal aliens and the granting of citizenship to illegal alien babies born in the USA provided a temporary bandage that was not removed before festering into an epidemic of illegal immigrants with all of the economic woes therein. And Palin made it clear that she does not agree with McCain’s attempted comprehensive reform legislation.
Another thing, Palin would NEVER try to enact any comprehensive reform legislation without allowing its proper legislative course that includes time to read, research, discuss and listen to constituents PRIOR to vote. Reagan never played that dirty bully game, either.
maverick muse on May 4, 2009 at 6:20 PM
Goodbye AllahPundit…I mean “The Wall”.
If you condone behavior, you are guilty of that behavior.
portlandon on May 4, 2009 at 6:21 PM
To me? I’m waiting to see just how savvy she can be.
I’m liking her dance with pro-life so far.
AnninCA on May 4, 2009 at 6:21 PM
One reason, or one aspect of a reason, or whatever, is that she inspires such visceral, irrational hatred. We who remember Reagan know the roots of that sort of hatred.
ddrintn on May 4, 2009 at 6:22 PM
Two out of three supported Mitt. I’m not sure about Michelle. As for outside elections, people support basically everybody who’s more or less in their camp.
radiofreevillage on May 4, 2009 at 6:22 PM
Reagan is like Palin?
Hmm*
I found Reagan a complete idiot, from day 1. It didn’t suprise me in the least he ended up being senile.
Palin? Not at all like him.
AnninCA on May 4, 2009 at 6:23 PM
Nobody who loses a primary is even relevant. Mitt is dead, folks.
Voters vote.
He’s history.
He’s just too……*blech*
perfect hair guy
AnninCA on May 4, 2009 at 6:24 PM
Because she actually lives what we believe. Because she’s unafraid to say what we believe (unlike, for example, her running mate). Because we look at her, and say “she’s not going to ‘grow’ in office, or get mau-maued by the NYT into doing stupid things.”
I’m not a strong pro-lifer. But I nevertheless recognize that a pro-life Republican politican is far less likely to sell out my beliefs than is a “pro-choice” politician.
Can you please point to even one “socially moderate/liberal – fiscally conservative” member of Congress who actually is fiscally conservative? Who is willing to slash welfare programs in order to cut taxes, or to keep from raising them?
Greg Q on May 4, 2009 at 6:24 PM
Maybe you should ask yourself why you keep having to say this. Maybe it’s your approach.
Jim Treacher on May 4, 2009 at 6:25 PM
I hate that she is going to be within ten miles of John McCain, but I hope she knocks him off the stage AND I hope we get to hear HER views, not the rino’s views that he told her to have, that would be good. Get a good gauge if she will be the one….
HornetSting on May 4, 2009 at 6:25 PM
So, to combat the with-us or agin’-us mentality, you institute one of your own: someone who takes a stand is agin’-us (humanity). But hey, you’re welcome to remain a Democrat. Er, independent.
ddrintn on May 4, 2009 at 6:26 PM
Interpreation: WAAAAAAA WAAAAAAAAAAAA!!! WAAAAAAAAA!!!
WHY CANT WE HAVE AN ECHO CHAMBER LIKE THE KEITH OLBERMANN SHOW??? WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!
And with that, I bid you all adieu.
The Wall on May 4, 2009 at 6:27 PM
I find any Republican jumping on the medias smearing of Palin completely dispicable.
I’ll vote for a Dem before I support that nonsense.
AnninCA on May 4, 2009 at 6:28 PM
I don’t see Sarah Palin as a fiscal conservative (socialist payouts to Alaskan citizens for starters), but more importantly she wasn’t (at least in the 2008 election) at a level to intelligently discuss issues like that. Hearing her try and remember her prep material was agonizing. Not all her fault, she was thrown on the national stage way before she was ready, but she was willing to give it a try.
(Again, all my opinion but I’m being honest and I think there is a lot to learn about the 2008 election and its effects the future of the party. A turning point if you will.)
jonknee on May 4, 2009 at 6:28 PM
again
suck a fat one
and in the words of Kenny Powers:
YOU’RE F*CKIN OUT, I’M F*CKIN IN
blatantblue on May 4, 2009 at 6:28 PM
That was great fun!
maverick muse on May 4, 2009 at 6:29 PM
AIGA is over, it’s not going to happen, it never was. It was such a bad piece of policy it was doomed to fail before it was even passed.
That’s one for you.
Why don’t you tell us about that actual operating budget of your state? Why don’t you tell why that 500 million was cut from the capital budget to start with? It was because she gave no indication to the legislature what she would or wouldn’t approve, so they threw everything in there. That’s some leadership there.
This is just like Obama’s proclamation about lobbyists, it’s political pandering. The state’s still hiring people, she just gives a special disposition when they do.
What is this ACES? Her windfall profit tax?
So she didn’t do anythinng.
How about back load FOEA requests about her emails that haven’t been released?
And what are the results of that? Nothing.
So you agree AGIA is dead. Why don’t you tell the readers here that even a bullet line for Alaskan use isn’t economically viable on it’s own so the state will have to finance a huge chunk of it (which is fine by me if that’s what you guys want).
lowandslow on May 4, 2009 at 6:29 PM
Just watch……..
………. once she joins in, the crowds will swell, donations will be rolling in, her voice and ideology will drive the debate, and all the other so called “leaders” will be standing in line to try to move in on her lime light.
I say it’s a win-win……
Seven Percent Solution on May 4, 2009 at 6:29 PM
It was simply advice, no pressure to take it. But I left the party because of it and looking at the poll figures for people who identify as Republican, I am far from alone in giving up on the party. I think the country would be a lot better off with two competitive parties, but the GOP won’t remain competitive with its current attitude.
jonknee on May 4, 2009 at 6:29 PM
Tsk tsk. Perez Hilton must be trolling our site.
Allah, I prefer not to be subjected to vulgarity like this. Please ban this vulgar geek.
And with that, I bid you all adieu.
The Wall on May 4, 2009 at 6:30 PM
Allah,
She fights the establishment and wants small accountable government.
Mystery solved.
joshlbetts on May 4, 2009 at 6:30 PM
As a Fredhead, there is no question in my mind Sarah is a more compelling spokesperson to the masses. I loved what Fred did with his articles, with his Michael Moore video, and how he could take apart liberal positions on everything from global warming to SCOTUS issues. IMHO, he’s a policy guy par excellence. But, translating his ideas into a campaign message that resonated with enough voters just didn’t happen.
Sarah had a very short window as a VP candidate, generated a “buzz” that’s still audible in May after her ticket lost, and just has to attend a single pro-life dinner to generate multiple articles and other media references.
To even ask who’s a more “compelling spokesperson” in this context is ludicrous.
cs89 on May 4, 2009 at 6:30 PM
I lot of her appeal, at least for me is she’s an outsider … someone untainted by Washington. She generally is fiscally conservative and hasn’t used her position to push her views on Alaskan citizens.
She really does do what she believes in. She cleaned up the oil/government good old boy network and put the government of Alaska back in the hands of Alaskans. Her record really speaks for itself … as do her actions.
I don’t expect her to be a saint, I just expect her to live and act by her principles.
darwin on May 4, 2009 at 6:31 PM
You’re one to talk Wall-E.
GTFO ya dog
blatantblue on May 4, 2009 at 6:31 PM
The simple fact that she is so reviled, hated, despised and feared by liberals says all I need to know about her. The way the left recoils in horror (like throwing a bucket of cold water on a witch) at her mere mention says to me that she is a good human being. The left hates her because she is smart, Christian, attractive, hard working and successful. She violates the feminist liberal template on every level, especially giving birth to a large brood of children. She was the only bright spot in an otherwise dismal election.
mountainmanbob on May 4, 2009 at 6:32 PM
Again?
I feel like I’m watching a very bad B movie, with one of those death scenes that lasts 20 minutes.
But, most of those plots are more interesting than reading the writing on The Wall.
cs89 on May 4, 2009 at 6:32 PM
Actually, the GOP is leading in generic polls for the first time in years. And leading in this years matchups for the governor of Virginia and New Jersery, seats they haven’t held for a decade or longer.
Norwegian on May 4, 2009 at 6:32 PM
I think the main reason Palin is so popular is because you believe her. I don’t think she’s the most articulate person alive, and her accent is very pronounced which adds to her sometimes awkward speech patterns, but I believe that she believes what she’s saying.
In the instances when she differed from and deferred to McCain, I believe she did so because that’s what’s expected of a running mate. That doesn’t make her a sellout, it made her a good running mate. Now, though, she needs to be specific about immigration, etc.
Huckabee, Schmuckabee. He’s a big baby, and a phony to boot, IMHO. Romney is a smooth talking flip-flopper. He’s got that snake oil salesman vibe, and that has nothing to do with him being a Mormon. I liked Fred Thompson, but I don’t think his heart was in it.
Everyone went gaga over Susan Boyle. A lot of people questioned the mass hysteria surrounding this woman, and asserted that if she’d been pretty she wouldn’t have gotten so much attention. But, in America, it’s the package deal — a lot of people get rich by working hard, but who doesn’t love a good rags to riches story, and then Susan Boyle with her awkward appearance but that beautiful voice. With Palin, it was that she was a woman veep candidate, she was pretty, her accent was somewhat charming, she had this sorta of crazy family, so it made her relatable (cause who doesn’t have a crazy family?) and believable, both very unusual in politics.
haikusrock on May 4, 2009 at 6:33 PM
The trolls should look up the word “hubris” and ponder it for a bit.
It seems they are the sort who are in constant suspense every time the pendulum swings. Hint: it always swings back, so enjoy your time in the sun while it lasts, which will not be so long a time as you suppose.
At least they can take comfort in the fact that, unlike the left, the right will not feel compelled to troll their websites with a tsunami of mindless, repetitive drivel. So, they have that going for them.
A Balrog of Morgoth on May 4, 2009 at 6:33 PM
Said for the fifth time in this thread. Wouldn’t “adieu” normally involve leaving?
Snowed In on May 4, 2009 at 6:33 PM
Wrong Bob. They love her. They LOOOOOOVE her.
They want to remain in complete control and power, you know?
And with that, I bid you all adieu.
The Wall on May 4, 2009 at 6:33 PM
What do you expect from a Mittbot? Say one thing, do another. Flip-flop. Just like Romney.
Norwegian on May 4, 2009 at 6:33 PM
Drill, Baby, Drill is what I think of before I think of her Obama (on point, as you correctly note) barb. Also before I get there I think of her passionate love for this country and our military men and women.
KittyLowrey on May 4, 2009 at 6:34 PM
You simply cannot resist, can you?
blatantblue on May 4, 2009 at 6:34 PM
Hearing her was less agonizing than listening to Obama speak extemporaneously. And for that you bolted the party? LOL And I don’t get the “anti-intellectual” charge. It brings to my mind either: a) egghead candidates drawn from college faculty or b) people walking around with copies of Burke tucked under their arms, a la Axelrod, whether they’ve read a word of Burke or not. Strictly speaking, the late Jack Kemp wasn’t really an “intellectual, from what I can tell. I’ll take common sense over egghead any day.
ddrintn on May 4, 2009 at 6:34 PM
If it doesn’t matter, then why don’t you cave?
Sydney Carton on May 4, 2009 at 6:35 PM
So did you vote for that intellectual giant, Joe Biden?
Tell me what Sarah Palin ever said about same-sex marriage that Joe Biden and Barack Obama did not agree with on the campaign trail.
This is what bothers me – there is an entrenched conviction among too many people about Sarah Palin because of the way she was smeared in the campaign. The smear campaign against her worked. It grieves me to say so, but it is what it is. She is damaged goods as a party leader and candidate.
rockmom on May 4, 2009 at 6:35 PM
You know, when MSNBC’s answer to the circus talked about teabaggers, I think they KNEW we had The Wall here. Sheesh.
HornetSting on May 4, 2009 at 6:36 PM
If you think lies are stronger than the truth, why are you here?
Jim Treacher on May 4, 2009 at 6:37 PM
Term limits and age limits…why do the 70+, 80+ and 90+ year old politicians, career politicians, and the has been RINOs, insist on staying on and screwing up the country until their death and when will the Bush boys just go away?
Bush, McCain, Specter, Byrd and their ilk have screwed this country to the point that we can barely recognize it. When will the idiots in this country who continually elect them wake up? We are truly a country of morons. How did we ever get as great as we once did?
Anybody have a clue?
orlandocajun on May 4, 2009 at 6:38 PM
Well go watch some vids of Barney Frank, John Murtha, Chris Dodd, Harry Reid, Dick Durbin, etc., if you need that tingle back. /sarc
Patrick S on May 4, 2009 at 6:38 PM
Americans love the frontier, pioneers, self-made people and optimism. She captured imaginations and was inspiring in her fearlessness and drew admiration for her “PTA to the highest office in the state” achievement.
KittyLowrey on May 4, 2009 at 6:38 PM
LOL You might wanna keep up. Enstar and a few other of the “Utilities” are looking into a bullet line!
As it has nothing to do with AGIA i.e. in-state gas line!
I don’t think you are a Alaskan but Murkowski tried to “throw away” the Tax on Oil to Oil Comps and it took years where Sarah got it done in Months… to create a Natural Gas line. Sorry.. I would rather have Sarah do what she did on windfall unlike Murkowski didn’t and woulnd’t try. Speaking of which.. Murkowski is now on Exxon’s payroll!
upinak on May 4, 2009 at 6:39 PM
Hmm my post went away. I wonder why?
upinak on May 4, 2009 at 6:39 PM
It doesn’t matter to allow it–as in nothing changes for me. I’m not gay, but I find it reasonable that gay people want to get married. No skin off my back and while marriage isn’t easy I’d wish them the best. My life won’t change one bit either way, but I don’t feel the need to discriminate. My life wouldn’t change any if we decided to not allow interracial marriage either, but it would still be wrong to do so.
jonknee on May 4, 2009 at 6:41 PM
I don’t agree with Sarah, most likely, on pro-life. But I definitely respect her position.
And I don’t respect this male ganging up.
Disgusting beyond belief.
There is NO justification for this, other than McCain is so ridiculous that he’s trying to blame her for his loss.
Excuse me. He was dead in the water before he brought her on board.
Dead.
AnninCA on May 4, 2009 at 6:41 PM
If Palin made you leave the Republican party then you had no business being a Republican anyway. I think it’s silly to argue that she’s articulate, but she’s not the bumbling buffoon everyone made her out to be, either. Some of her “awkwardness” is her accent, and it sounds even weirder to us in the “lower 48″ because we don’t hear it often. She so reminded me of Frances McDormand in Fargo. Anyway, while I think anyone dealing with the public should have good oratory skills, it’s not a deal breaker for me. Her heart, mind, and beliefs were in the right place. She can work on her speech giving.
It’s just such a superficial reason to write her off. Added to that, it’s undeniable that she was on the receiving end of some criminal editing. She didn’t sound nearly so cartoonish and “stupid” in person as she did when she was edited for her primetime interviews.
haikusrock on May 4, 2009 at 6:41 PM
There is a post that is probably in cyber space due to the links. But I did answer you.
upinak on May 4, 2009 at 6:42 PM
Oh yes, moderates with no appeal whatsoever, except for left wing loons like strangelet.
Btw, Palin’s younger than Obama — so, how does an older man appeal to the youth, oh wise strangelet?
Richard Romano on May 4, 2009 at 6:42 PM
Unfortunately for you, you are absolutely right. As so recently demonstrated by the Democrat Party, one does not revive one’s political fortunes by dumping the ideological core of one’s movement in favor of the squishes in the middle. The squishes in the middle go with whichever party has the momentum in October.
Anyone who gives any credence to the notion that either political party should dump its base and redesign itself to appeal to the perpetually undecided is either clueless, a defeatist, or a troll.
A Balrog of Morgoth on May 4, 2009 at 6:42 PM
It doesn’t matter to allow it–as in nothing changes for me.
My life won’t change if polygamy or incest is allowed either, but that doesn’t change my opposition to it.
Norwegian on May 4, 2009 at 6:42 PM
Apparently, they didn’t cover the meaning of “adieu” at Wall’s Community Col- I mean, Ivy League Alma Mater.
cs89 on May 4, 2009 at 6:44 PM
It does annoy me that Obama/Biden weren’t out there for gay marriage, but I was speaking in terms of party platforms not of individual statements. Palin simply personified it. Anti gay marriage is a platform for the GOP and it’s going to be an increasingly difficult one to stay with.
But on a purely technically basis, Palin did say she was for a constitutional ban on gay marriage.
Biden and Obama are both against such an amendment and are for civil unions.
jonknee on May 4, 2009 at 6:48 PM
I’d also like to know what’s so new about Obama’s agenda. How is it not nostalgia?
Except in his case, it’s nostalgia for policies that have already failed in other countries. Just because it’s new to America doesn’t mean it’s new.
Jim Treacher on May 4, 2009 at 6:51 PM
Keep in mind that the Republican Party of 1860 DID compromise on slavery. Lincoln was the moderate alternative to radical abolitionism. He favored gradual, compensated end of slavery, and, in the meantime, non-extension of slavery to new states and territories. Where he was uncompromising was on secession.
Yet the South treated his election as an insult and provocation: They insisted on viewing him as an absolutist, went to war, and realized their worst fear.
Palin is in many ways a fairly moderate politician. She has a moderate demeanor and a pragmatic attitude tied to convincing demonstration of personal principles and a willingness to discuss and stand by them. Her supporters can forgive her compromises because they trust her. When a politician they don’t trust compromises, or when a compromiser makes a gesture toward the base, it has a completely different effect.
In that respect, she is very much in the Lincoln and Reagan mode, a conviction politician who is secure enough in herself and her support to orient herself toward the middle. But she has, to say the least, a very long way to go before she justifies any further comparison.
CK MacLeod on May 4, 2009 at 6:52 PM
firepilot on May 4, 2009 at 6:52 PM
Shouldn’t the use of the word “adieu” alone be grounds for banning?
dfwaggie on May 4, 2009 at 6:54 PM
So Hot Air exists in the universe where Romney didn’t have that well known debate with Ted Kennedy where they argued over which was more pro-choice and pro-gay marriage?
I just want to know for future reference.
29Victor on May 4, 2009 at 6:55 PM
To some, adieu is just another way of saying je suis un menteur.
Loxodonta on May 4, 2009 at 6:55 PM
If the Republican primary were held next year and it was between Romney and Palin, I would probably go with Romney. I don’t think Palin is ready, although I personally like her much more than Romney.
terryannonline on May 4, 2009 at 6:56 PM
I’m not sure why this is where it always goes, but no one is trying to legalize either of those. If they do at a future date, let’s have that debate then. For now let’s deal with the rights for millions of our citizens.
jonknee on May 4, 2009 at 6:57 PM
29Victor on May 4, 2009 at 6:55 PM
Apparently, his position has “evolved.”
cs89 on May 4, 2009 at 6:59 PM
I was unable to follow last year’s nomination process, and do not have a a horse in the 2012 race. I don’t think that I read or heard any recent statement from any of the leaders of the new Council that are critical of Governor Palin. However, I do think they handled their launch poorly. Governor Palin should have been invited in much earlier, so that she could have been part of it on the launch date.
Loxodonta on May 4, 2009 at 6:59 PM
jonknee on May 4, 2009 at 6:57 PM
20 years ago, you would have had to search pretty vigorously for anyone advocating same-sex marriage or adoption. They were out there, but not in the mainstream.
State-funded transgender operations for inmates would have sounded as strange then as polygamy does to us today.
FWIW.
cs89 on May 4, 2009 at 7:02 PM
By “deal with”, do you mean like when gay marriage was voted down in California and elsewhere? Would you be “tolerant” enough to accept the wishes of the majority of the majority of the American electorate (see recent CNN poll on subject).
Norwegian on May 4, 2009 at 7:02 PM
Palin is different because she, you know, actually means what she says.
Jaynie59 on May 4, 2009 at 7:06 PM
What the hell is Jeb doing at the party anyway? Daddy lied to us and big brother screwed us. They told us that W is more conservative than Daddy is, so we gave him a chance. Well, financially, W really is a dolt so now they’re saying, “Wait, we meant that Jeb is more conservative than W is.”
I don’t think we can afford to wait to find out for sure what Jeb is. We need a CONSERVATIVE.
Mr. Grump on May 4, 2009 at 7:07 PM
I don’t believe in “evolution,” I believe in Intelligent Design. Heh.
29Victor on May 4, 2009 at 7:08 PM
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MALICIOUS DISORDER on May 4, 2009 at 7:10 PM
Isn’t it curious how cynical some hard-nosed political junkies can be until it’s someone they like being shifty?
29Victor on May 4, 2009 at 7:11 PM
Allah, Allah, Allah (suddenly I feel tingly inside and the need to face to the east. But I digress.)
Palin IS a conservative. She oozes it. She is PRO-LIFE, wouldn’t ya say?
She is PRO-BUSINESS, if her experience as a co-owner of one with Hubby and her desire to “Drill, baby, drill” is “Real, baby, Real” … and it is.
She is PRO-GUN. ‘Nuff said there.
She is ANTI-ELITIST. Well, at least I consider that a strong, conservative trait.
She is PRO-DEFENSE. Uh, having a son in Iraq ought to qualify for something.
Look, Allah, here’s what you simply cannot get. Palin lives out all the conservative values. She walks them, talks them, breathes them. Ya think Mitt Romney lives out the PRO-GUNS thing? I’ll bet he refuses for fire one for fear of mussing his hair.
The tabloids follow her around and with them the mildly salacious stories because Palin is also a REAL PERSON. Every conservative I know has personal failures. Actually, that’s a rock foundation stone of Christian conservativism: it’s called “Original Sin” and sometimes “Total Depravity.” We’re all bad, Allah. Even Adam Smith cognized that.
Palin is fresh, living, real, and truly a conservative. To the bone.
MaxMBJ on May 4, 2009 at 7:12 PM
Am I the only person who sees this as a generational divide, the “me” generation vs it’s own children? The spend generation that doesn’t care about tomorrow vs the generation that will have to pay for it? Even most of the young democrats are more conservative than their gray- haired counter parts.
Sarah Palin doesn’t represent anything new to the conservative movement other than the fact that it is still alive and refuses to fade away. This is more frightening to the elder Republican Statesmen (whom would rather share a cigar in the lounge with an ole democrate friend than to be caught fraternizing with a young conservative republican)than the actual person she is.
MichiganMatt on May 4, 2009 at 7:14 PM
Just give Sarah time, she is a sleeping giant. Don’t give in Sarah, lots of people love you. I voted for both Bush’s but won’t vote for one again.
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letget on May 4, 2009 at 7:15 PM
Ever read “The Wisdom of Crowds”? Do you believe in the voice of the people?
Well, I’m bettin’ McCain got about 20,000,000 more votes than he would have without Sarah. The Repubs better listen to that voice from the voting booth.
It says something.
MaxMBJ on May 4, 2009 at 7:17 PM
As Reagan said, Mr. Allah Pundit: Tear down “The Wall!”
At least, I think that’s how the quote went….
tom on May 4, 2009 at 7:18 PM
I don’t give two craps about her “rhetoric”. I admire her for her actions, both in public and private.
brobin on May 4, 2009 at 7:18 PM
I’m not sure why this is where it always goes, but no one is trying to legalize either of those. If they do at a future date, let’s have that debate then. For now let’s deal with the rights for millions of our citizens.
jonknee
It always goes there because that is the natural next step in the process. Gay marriage begets polygamy which begets incestuous marriage which begets interspecies marriage, etc. So, let’s not have that debate then because, by then, it will be too late.
SKYFOX on May 4, 2009 at 7:26 PM
Agreed, although she is more dynamic than Fred which makes her more compelling, but if you were just reading their speeches there’s not going to be that much of a difference.
Buy Danish on May 4, 2009 at 7:26 PM
The “me” generation has spent their adulthood aborting their kids or sending them to day-care and failing public schools. What’s a little crushing debt compared to that?
29Victor on May 4, 2009 at 7:28 PM
Oh, and AP everything you write about Sarah bespeaks your disdain for her. “…not that I don’t like her” my ass.
SKYFOX on May 4, 2009 at 7:28 PM
I don’t think it’s an age thing. More like and establishment vs. the grassroots thing.
KittyLowrey on May 4, 2009 at 7:30 PM
That is absurd, what’s your basis for this? Gay marriage has been around for years in Mass and there’s no talk of plural marriage or incest. Actually polygamy/incest is usually only in the news for nutty religious groups, hardly part of the liberal gay rights group.
If you think about it some more, gay marriage can’t beget incest. Gay people can’t make offspring to which then marry.
jonknee on May 4, 2009 at 7:31 PM
Well put. If society isn’t allowed to define marriage as between a man and a woman then what right to we have to define it at all?
29Victor on May 4, 2009 at 7:31 PM
Rush was covertly for Mitt also, but wouldn’t say. But he obviously was against Huckabee and McCain in the primaries. Huckabee actually won it for McCain by attacking Romney. All that said, however, Rush is right! (And that’s 99% of the time!) When Sarah entered the picture (remember, trolls, she didn’t run for President and wasn’t in the primary! Hello!), she was definitely the most exciting, pro-base candidate of them all. Many of us contributed to McCain-Palin when we wouldn’t have contributed to McCain-Huckabee or McCain-Ridge, or whoever. Palin energized conservatives like no one else in the campaign. I would have voted for Fred if he had worked harder, but I was never sure he really wanted it, So while I voted for Romney in the primary (Hey, he was a LOT more conservative than McCain or Huck), I was energized by Palin and so was my wife.
Now, I am amazed at the vitreol that people have for her. I believe that Dems and RINO’s are scared to death of her and they demonize her every chance they get. But she is a force to be reckoned with because like others have said, she is a fighter (of both Dems and corrupt Repubs), she is not afraid to be not politically correct (witness the bear skin she has in her office), she is staunchly pro-life, she has done more to raise the perception of Alaska than anyone I know of, she is REAL, she is one of us. (Hey don’t give me the anti-intellectual garbage, I have a Bachelors and two Masters degrees.)
Who can hate such a woman? Yet we see the left absolutely HATES her! Why some on the right seem to also is mystifying to me. Even if she doesn’t run in 2012, she could do a lot to bring people out for whoever runs. If it is only the RINO’s that want her gone, then we really need to get rid of the RINO’s, not Sarah!
Finally, Rush isn’t endorsing her to be the next candidate. He has also spoken out strongly for Jindal, so he’s just encouraging conservatives as he finds them. Dittos, Rush!
Christian Conservative on May 4, 2009 at 7:33 PM
It’s official according to Conservatives4Palin!
Sarah has decided to join the National Council for New America after Cantor and McCain made many efforts to reach out to her. She is joining with the understanding that Alaska comes first.
That sounds like the GOP is starting to realize Sarah is a VIP. It’s about time!
sarahpalinfan99 on May 4, 2009 at 7:33 PM
Watching Jeb trying to conduct these “townhall” meetings is a joke.
Forget the President Reagan nostalgia? How about we forget you, Jeb?
How about we forget all of the “lifers” in office and find some new blood?
How about we forget you telling us to go with the PC tide on immigration and stick to our guns?
He’s doin’ plenty of talking but very little listenin’.
madmonkphotog on May 4, 2009 at 7:33 PM
You’re not the only one as long as I’m around. As a (barely, but nonetheless) pre-baby boomer, I’ve been watching these now-aging children suck their thumbs my entire life. I blush to admit it causes me deep satisfaction to watch them betrayed by their children, who they have profoundly ignored.
What an embarrassment they have proven to be.
warbaby on May 4, 2009 at 7:34 PM
Now things are gonna’ get real interesting!
The first NCNA meeting Palin is present at should be a hoot!
sarahpalinfan99 on May 4, 2009 at 7:35 PM
The lady is the real deal. When she talks about supporting the 2nd amendment, we know she really does because she has the bears and moose heads to prove it. When she says she is pro-life, she has Trig Van Palin to prove her personal thorough commitment to life. When she says she supports the military, she has her son who is now currently serving in Iraq. When she says that she is for energy development, she has the state of Alaska to prove that she knows the value of domestic resource development. When she says she is for limited government and lower taxes, she has her budget proposals in Alaska to prove it. When she says she is for missile defense, the defense system protecting the west coast is in her backyard (not literally, but for the Tina Feys…). So as Obama says its not her words, but her deeds, her background, the inspirational aspect of a beautiful, smart conservative woman. This is what makes her a star and one the conservative movement has not had since Reagan!
milemarker2020 on May 4, 2009 at 7:40 PM
The best parts of these two threads ….and it was said more than once…
Worth saying again….Sarah IS the one to beat…
AND…Sarah…please…; IGNORE the old boy network…
You don’t need them…
jerrytbg on May 4, 2009 at 7:40 PM
SKYFOX never said that polygamy/incest had anything to do with gay rights groups, but how can you deny anyone the right to marry based on their marital status/parentage if you can’t deny it based upon their respective genders? At least polygamy/incest have an historical president. No culture that I’m aware of has ever legalized gay marriage, not even one’s that celebrated homosexuality.
There is already a case pending in Canada challenging their anti-polygamy laws based on my argument above and in 2006 Canada’s federal government commissioned a study that recommended that polygamy be legal in Canada.
29Victor on May 4, 2009 at 7:41 PM
I think I’d feel a lot better about Palin, and I loved her last year (Not like that, DON’T SHOOT ME TODD!)If she could give a good speech on conservatism, its principles and what it means for governance. I get the vibe that she’s an instinctual conservative, which is fine, but I’d like to see her be a philosophical conservative too.
Iblis on May 4, 2009 at 7:45 PM
Great comment!
Christian Conservative on May 4, 2009 at 7:48 PM
Iblis,
She lives it!
jerrytbg on May 4, 2009 at 7:48 PM
The only people i’m embarrased by are the idiots that show up to rallies and act like that woman who said Obama was a Muslim and that guy with the Obama monkey doll.
Speedwagon82 on May 4, 2009 at 7:49 PM
athensboy on May 4, 2009 at 6:01 PM
I would advise everyone to click on and read athensboy’s comment, because it perfectly illustrates the vapidity of Obama’s support. It’s all a popularity contest to athensboy. “Rage” turns off moderates and independents, he says, as if Obama’s performance as POTUS and its effect on the world (which includes mushies and indies) is a non-issue.
Bring Palin back for ’12, he warns, and Tina Fey will be back too (actually, Fey says she’s done doing Palin, probably because she hates that it’s the biggest hit of her career). This is the current mode of discourse from looney lefties: Don’t address issues, just laugh, malign, distract, and insult. Any mention of criticism from Rush? “He’s a fat drug addict.” Miss California USA not backing down from her stance against same-sex marriage? “She’s a b*tch, a *unt, and — this just in — she’s got implants!” Glenn Beck trounces MSNBC and CNN in the ratings, and they’re blaming him for a neo-Nazi killing cops.
athensboy leaves the issue of unwarranted, unnecessary, unprecedented transformation of American society — which is MY issue — untouched.
L.N. Smithee on May 4, 2009 at 8:00 PM
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