Dodd: We prosecuted the Nazis so let’s prosecute Bush
posted at 4:40 pm on May 4, 2009 by Allahpundit
Via Moe Lane. No, he’s not saying that waterboarding terrorists is as evil as genocide, but he does seem to be saying that both are sufficiently evil as to require prosecution. I’d be curious to know how and where he draws the line on prosecutorial discretion, then: When is something so “evil” that we must proceed to trial, damn the policy consequences? David Shribman wonders:
The pre-eminent point here is that in the United States, sitting presidents and winning political parties don’t sit in legal judgment of their predecessors. If they do not like their policies, and many times they do not, they change policies. They do not sue their predecessors nor seek to punish them legally. This custom has prevailed in times of severe crisis as much as in serene times.
There are myriad examples. Jimmy Carter did not seek to prosecute Henry A. Kissinger for complicity in the invasion of Cambodia and involvement in Chile, two actions that might be regarded as peculiarly subject to legal review. Richard M. Nixon did not seek to prosecute Lyndon B. Johnson for the illegal wiretapping of Martin Luther King’s bathroom and bedroom, which King did not know about until Thurgood Marshall informed him in 1964. Nor did Nixon take any action about the illegal taping of White House conversations in the Johnson years.
VDH adds some perspective:
I’ve raised this example twice now. But, really, how is waterboarding a known detained terrorist like Khalid Sheik Mohammed (who confessed to cutting off Daniel Pearl’s head [with two knives after the first went dull], and to planning the 9/11 mass murder) at Guantanamo considered a war crime, while blowing up with a Predator drone suspected terrorists (and all those, including women and children, in their general vicinity) not?
The latter victims were not given habeas corpus, and Miranda rights, and there is a greater doubt about their guilt from 10,000 feet than is the case with the much studied psychopath KSM in Guantanamo. Most suspects would prefer to be water-boarded than vaporized? Ditto the Somali pirates, whose heads were blown off during their apparent attempts at negotiating extortion, again a bit more drastic than waterboarding. Would a future President Sanford or Giuliani be right to bring charges against those in the Obama administration who green lighted assassinations of suspected terrorists—something akin to the Phoenix program in Vietnam?
It’s the Jon Stewart/Harry Truman dilemma again: When is it wrong to inflict suffering on captives in hopes of averting greater suffering later? Why do we need a Nuremberg for waterboarders but not one for drone operators who occasionally incinerate Pakistani families based on bad intel?
Below the Dodd clip, a little further perspective from Coulter on the left’s insufferable sanctimony on this subject.










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Predator strikes are War Crimes! Obama to the Hague!
Realist on May 4, 2009 at 4:43 PM
Youtube clip caught Ann in a wierd facial expression. LOL
lorien1973 on May 4, 2009 at 4:43 PM
The comparison of these tactics to the Nazis is completely offensive to me.
But that’s OK.
I trust normal people in this world know this is absurd thinking.
AnninCA on May 4, 2009 at 4:43 PM
3 guys suffering the discomfort of having water in their nose & sinuses – no more water than a belly-flop might produce – is somehow morally equivelant to the nazis?
Dodd is the ultimate deflector. What a chump.
You want some moral equivelance, how about we do something with all those abortion survivors which Obama had no problem in letting die. That seems like real ‘torture’ to me, and I suspect the majority of americans would agree with that view.
gatorboy on May 4, 2009 at 4:45 PM
We prosecuted Michael Milken so let’s prosecute Dodd.
Chickyraptor on May 4, 2009 at 4:45 PM
Scary road we’re starting down.
BadgerHawk on May 4, 2009 at 4:45 PM
Senator “Codified AIG bonuses” Dodd is soooooo desperate. Still trying to live on his corrupt – it runs in his family – father’s Nuremberg fame. Nothing more.
Branch Rickey on May 4, 2009 at 4:45 PM
If anybody needs to be on trial, it is Christopher Dodd. His nefarious dealings with Countrywide helped with bring about the economic situation we find ourselves in.
kingsjester on May 4, 2009 at 4:46 PM
Hey, We prosecuted Ken Lay….
So let’s prosecute Dodd.
LegendHasIt on May 4, 2009 at 4:46 PM
i remember the first week of ogabe as prez, abcnews had a report after a drone killed a terrorist and some villagers in pakistan, and the host threw up a map and showed our ‘drone attacks’ and talked about how it was ‘progress’ in the war on terror.
just a week before any attack was billed as bush ‘hitting civilians’ that ‘raised the tension in the area’
i guess bombs are ‘cuter’ when they are dropped from a dem?
battleoflepanto1571 on May 4, 2009 at 4:46 PM
But our President is a post-partisan moderate, so there’s nothing to fear.
hicsuget on May 4, 2009 at 4:46 PM
The man REEKS of desperation.
omnipotent on May 4, 2009 at 4:46 PM
We prosecuted Bernie Madoff so let’s prosecute Dodd
battleoflepanto1571 on May 4, 2009 at 4:47 PM
What did Behar say to that? You cut off too soon.
petunia on May 4, 2009 at 4:47 PM
Ann puts the end to the liberal wordplay.
the_nile on May 4, 2009 at 4:47 PM
we prosecuted sadam hussein, so lets prosecute Mr. Rogers
gatorboy on May 4, 2009 at 4:47 PM
Ah man, the second clip ended too soon. Did Joy-less’s head explode?
Brat on May 4, 2009 at 4:47 PM
Dodd needs these show trials to get the nutters on the far left to support (votes and money) his re-election.
myrenovations on May 4, 2009 at 4:47 PM
Has Dodd ever heard of not throwing stones if you live in a glass house?
petunia on May 4, 2009 at 4:48 PM
Dodd has the biggest cajones I have ever seen to call for any investigations of anyone for anything.
thomasaur on May 4, 2009 at 4:48 PM
“Can we just abort the terrorists?” CLASSIC!
Seriously, Kathleen Sebilius has the number of a guy who would do it for us. A post-birth abortion isn’t significantly worse than a partial-birth abortion, is it?
hawksruleva on May 4, 2009 at 4:48 PM
Dodd knows that his glass house is protected by a protective coating of doormats, made up of the Washington media.
hawksruleva on May 4, 2009 at 4:50 PM
You only do this kind of cr*p if you plan never to be out of power and exposed to retribution.
johnsteele on May 4, 2009 at 4:51 PM
Wouldn’t it be nice if there were justice in the world and people like Chris Dodd faced accountability? Yes.
Nice world that would be.
carbon_footprint on May 4, 2009 at 4:51 PM
Liberals are too scared to prosecute Bush – they don’t want us in the streets defending the guy.
Basically – they talk – but don’t walk.
Cowards.
HondaV65 on May 4, 2009 at 4:52 PM
Wouldn’t it be nice if there
werewas justicecarbon_footprint on May 4, 2009 at 4:52 PM
Giving our enemies ammunition used to be considered sedition.
Dodd-ering fool.
profitsbeard on May 4, 2009 at 4:52 PM
Where the Taliban to somehow invade this country, Dodd would be the first quisling to save his own ass.
GarandFan on May 4, 2009 at 4:53 PM
I would also like to add that Chris Dodd talking this way is the best proof I can offer that the Republican party is all but dead. Instead of getting all up in this guy’s “wheaties” Republicans are out in Pizza Parlors apologizing for being pro-choice and anti-gay marriage.
(Yawn)
HondaV65 on May 4, 2009 at 4:53 PM
why are liberal women so judgmental and smarmy, while conservative women are so ballsy and bad assed?
Ris4victory on May 4, 2009 at 4:55 PM
Dodd pandering is cuter than watching a toddler eat fudge.
DJ Rick on May 4, 2009 at 4:55 PM
Dodd and Barney Frank should share a cell for their
role in bringing about (what would become) the financial
meltdown.
HGFinley on May 4, 2009 at 4:55 PM
Check out this slimy politician — the man is up to his ears in ethics issues, and he opines about prosecuting Bush?
Mr. Dodd, your removal from office can’t come too soon.
Richard Romano on May 4, 2009 at 4:56 PM
Is this P.O.S. even relevant anymore???
alwyr on May 4, 2009 at 4:56 PM
So, I guess I missed the part where the memos documented that 6 million innocent terrorists were exterminated by the previous administration. I can’t believe I’m hearing an American citizen, let alone a Senator giving voice to these absurdities. What’s more, how stupid can they be to willingly seek to open this door? Fast forward to see Dodd and Frank in the dock facing charges for the suffering they imposed on retiries and families with their roles in the origin of the financial crisis. Where else on earth could you find such an idiot in long pants?!
littleguy on May 4, 2009 at 4:57 PM
Since the ‘left’ is “head hunting”, let’s charge hussein for breach of the “Espionage Act of 1917″…for releasing “Top Secret” documents (the memos).
JoeySlippers on May 4, 2009 at 4:57 PM
But it’s not a glass house, it’s an Irish cottage.
Chickyraptor on May 4, 2009 at 4:57 PM
Amen!
littleguy on May 4, 2009 at 5:00 PM
Nazi’s are Bush?
I can’t see the clip but I bet it is priceless.
upinak on May 4, 2009 at 5:01 PM
10 to 1 obama signs onto the ICC and tries to get them to do it.
sonofdy on May 4, 2009 at 5:01 PM
I say do it Democrats.
Then when we re-gain power, we’ll prosecute all democrats who supported Abortion(i.e. sucking the brains out of innoncent babies).
Connecticut is about to have its 2nd straight interesting Senate race. Maybe Kos will do commercials for Dodd to creep everyone out again.
jp on May 4, 2009 at 5:01 PM
tree hugging sister on May 4, 2009 at 5:01 PM
Countrywide Dodd can shut his fat, thieving, economy-destroying-through-complacency mouth or we’ll waterboard him too. What a jackass.
We should broadcast this message to Jewish voters, who should be certainly outraged at their innocent suffering being compared to the process of extracting information from a known mass murderer (one who would probably deny the holocaust ever happened, to boot.)
jimmy the notable on May 4, 2009 at 5:02 PM
We need to get Lieberman to support someone other than Dodd for that Senate Seat!
jp on May 4, 2009 at 5:02 PM
and when will Dodd’s trial begin?
Kaptain Amerika on May 4, 2009 at 5:03 PM
VDH is right, it makes no sense to prosecute some for waterboarding but not others for actual deaths.
changer1701 on May 4, 2009 at 5:03 PM
The Dodd couple.
Daggett on May 4, 2009 at 5:04 PM
Dodd is just pissed that Specter thought of blaming the GOP for Jack Kemp’s death before he did. Analogizing waterboarding to the Holocaust was all that he could come up with.
What are his poll numbers? Down 30% to the generic Bush administration official?
BuckeyeSam on May 4, 2009 at 5:05 PM
If these idiots want to prosecute, I think we should give them what they want.
youngO on May 4, 2009 at 5:06 PM
If trials of the Bush admin are going to tear the country apart, I say let’s get it the hell over with. We aren’t going to have a recognizable country in 4 years with the way Giggles is going, so we may as well get some entertainment through show trials and rioting out of it.
crazy_legs on May 4, 2009 at 5:07 PM
Why isnt what Al Qaeda did on 9/11 a warcrime ?
William Amos on May 4, 2009 at 5:07 PM
Because we deserved it.
KSM was just an innocent victim. Poor guy didn’t even have access to a good sharp knife.
Daggett on May 4, 2009 at 5:09 PM
Because fire doesn’t melt steel. :p
crazy_legs on May 4, 2009 at 5:09 PM
O/T Thanks for donating to Best Friends. I had to leave on Fri. before I read your post. My wife was returning from a week of volunteering at the Kanab sanctuary. She spent a great deal of time with the Katrina dogs, sadly many of the dogs left are Pit Bulls and they are having trouble finding homes. Thanks again.
thomasaur on May 4, 2009 at 5:09 PM
The said thing is they believe this. Who in their right mind would believe that? Wackoooooos
deidre on May 4, 2009 at 5:11 PM
The audacity of hate.
Yeah, it’s shameless (shameful?) pandering to the Bush haters but BO apparently wants to keep the haters incited. Otherwise, he would tell them to forget about it.
jix on May 4, 2009 at 5:12 PM
Desperate and Guilty Dodd is pathetic.
If Connecticut cannot afford a rope or find a tall tree, send his sorry as@ to me. He will be flogged, hung with a new rope and deserving of it.
old trooper2 on May 4, 2009 at 5:12 PM
Huffington Post. Soldiers who talk about Jesus aid our enemies
Because you know having freedom of religeon is an evil thing to the left.
William Amos on May 4, 2009 at 5:12 PM
Dodd needs to just calm down and go make a sandwich.
Del Dolemonte on May 4, 2009 at 5:12 PM
The true story of the economic collapse has to be told……..
……… maybe during Dodd’s trial for his part in it.
Seven Percent Solution on May 4, 2009 at 5:12 PM
Dodd looks like the deeply corrupt U.S. Senator from Nevada in
Godfather: Part II. What a sanctimonious jerk.
chipandcharge on May 4, 2009 at 5:13 PM
Dodd is a SOB who should be in prison. Everything he does is designed to distract attention from his corruption and ignorance.
Griz on May 4, 2009 at 5:13 PM
Dude.
First person who brings up Nazis always loses the argument.
Besides, this is all bread and circuses for the nutroots. The Obama campaign used them and has no plans to do anything they want, but as long as they keep breathlessly moralizing about waterboarding, the far Left remains docile. Dodd is obvously afraid of the Ned Lamont crowd in Connecticut and needs them to have any shot at reelection.
The rest of the country really doesn’t give a damn, as the polls are consistently showing. So I really can’t get too exercised about this stuff.
The Coulter bit is a classic though. I think this should be the standard comeback to any liberal who demands that a conservative subject themselves to waterboarding. “I’ll be happy to, as soon as you agree to be aborted.”
rockmom on May 4, 2009 at 5:14 PM
In the former case, you have the victim in your custody. In the latter case, you do not.
It’s like asking why a police officer is allowed to fire upon an armed man pointing a gun at him, but is not allowed to fire upon a man who had been armed and dangerous, but is now handcuffed and immobilized.
It’s a clear, straightforward distinction.
orange on May 4, 2009 at 5:14 PM
He has to keep them p!$$ed of at someone or they will start realizing what he’s doing and get angry with him.
thomasaur on May 4, 2009 at 5:14 PM
Well if Dodd is all for putting together some sort of review board to determine potential criminal conduct then we should be sure to oblige him with a review of his financial dealings!
This is once again an attempt by the left to muddy the waters by trying to make some sort of moral equivalency argument, an argument that has no merit when looked at honestly therefore it should be apparent to all of us that for the left this issues has more to do with them furthering their ideology than it has to do with morals.
As for the prosecution of the atrocities the Nazi’s committed and the possible prosecution of certain people based on how the US has waged this war against fascist Islam there is no comparison!
At no time does the US intentionally target innocent civilians like the Nazi’s did, nor has the US setup death camps with the explicit intention of killing off all people of a certain religious/ethnic background (genocide) like the Nazi’s did to the Jews!
The Nuremberg trials were mainly conducted to prosecute those involved in the intentional slaughter of millions of non-combatant innocent civilians that was carried out against people of a certain religion and ethnicity, the Jews!
I’m getting quite sick and tired of this moral equivalency BS, there is no comparison here, this dog don’t hunt and those of us with a functioning moral compass and half a brain know it to be true and we should at every turn denounce the left for this and let them know with certainty they are full of SHIITE!
Bottom line is America and Americans are the GOOD in this struggle and it is fascist Islam that is EVIL in this struggle and our actions compared to the actions of our enemies proves this without a doubt no matter how the left tries to spin it…PERIOD!
Liberty or Death on May 4, 2009 at 5:16 PM
Isnt dodd deep in the hole in polls ? Is this a gift to the nutroots for votes ?
William Amos on May 4, 2009 at 5:16 PM
Yup, in order to succeed, socialism always needs ‘enemies’.
jix on May 4, 2009 at 5:17 PM
Chris Dodd…typical yankee liberal
Goodeye_Closed on May 4, 2009 at 5:19 PM
Feed Dodd to KSM…
E L Frederick (Sniper One) on May 4, 2009 at 5:20 PM
What a classic line…you support abortion, do you want to be aborted?
right2bright on May 4, 2009 at 5:20 PM
Pleeeeease procecute President Bush and VP Cheney.
Chrissy, Pleeeeease televise it and let’s have all
those squeeeky kleen dems on the stand for a comedy
show of errors and lies that the whole world can view.
Dodd is a real frigging jerk-off.. . . .When he’s not
plain stupid.
Texyank on May 4, 2009 at 5:20 PM
Lots of former Pit Bull owners in New Orleans….what a surprise!!
omnipotent on May 4, 2009 at 5:22 PM
I read what I could stomach. Leave it to the idiot left to once again make the wrong conclusions. The comments, save one, are even more pathetic.
Using their logic there were millions of Christians living peacefully in nazi Germany so we should have never entered WWII. IDIOTS
Do they ever tire of lying?
jdkchem on May 4, 2009 at 5:24 PM
What does Dodd have to hide? I always look at these people now as projectionists. Nothing more than a diversion from himself to someone else and not to mention using up the resources that might be used to keep him in check.
nolapol on May 4, 2009 at 5:24 PM
Shout it from the rooftops!!! George Soros George Soros George Soros.
Every single bit of this “torture” crap is being instigated and financed through George Soros‘ PR agencies. Anybody can find this out with less than 3 minutes’ research.
George Soros!!!
Dammit.
warbaby on May 4, 2009 at 5:24 PM
The dogs are great people though.
thomasaur on May 4, 2009 at 5:24 PM
I’m a bit drunk rigiht now so excxuse me!@
( my dad took me to the bar)
F*CK YOU, you little snide POS politician bird brain!
The blood of Americans in the next attack is on your hands, you old, pathetic, filthy, disgusting hack!!!!
You dirtbag!
You corrupt f*ck! My fellow Americans across the LI Sound hate your guts and I cant wait to see your dumb blue haired a$$ fail in 2010!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Suck a fat one!
blatantblue on May 4, 2009 at 5:25 PM
Another Douche-icrat
jdkchem on May 4, 2009 at 5:26 PM
fckin old dirty bastrd
blatantblue on May 4, 2009 at 5:26 PM
stingy cheap skate lying filthy yellow belly b*tch a$$ RAT FINK
blatantblue on May 4, 2009 at 5:27 PM
lying stupid piece of road kill jerk off sinister dog humper!
blatantblue on May 4, 2009 at 5:28 PM
donkey hoof horse kissing dog licking cat sniffing piece of democratic horse honkey cockpuppery dumbass!
WTF
blatantblue on May 4, 2009 at 5:28 PM
We prosecuted Madoff and Ken Lay and Duke Cunningham. Let’s prosecute Dodd too!
Iblis on May 4, 2009 at 5:29 PM
We poured water over the face of three f’ing terrorists who did not drown as a result. Get the hell over it people!
CP on May 4, 2009 at 5:30 PM
I hate this f****************!
you weasel c*cok!
blatantblue on May 4, 2009 at 5:31 PM
Until Dodd produces the full Friends of Angelo paper trail that he’s been promising for almost a year, he should STFU. This is classic deflection – try to throw everyone off your trail by throwing them what you think they’ll think is a bigger bone.
Idiot. I hope he gets trounced in the next election. Anyone who gives this guy any more air time or ink is a fool.
redfoxbluestate on May 4, 2009 at 5:33 PM
Exactly right. The problem remains that ‘Joe’ public doesn’t do the same simple analysis and relies on the media to do it for them. Since the media is complicit with the likes of Dodd the simple bullet point analysis will not be done for the masses and they will see President Bush as evil (even if they don’t really feel it to be true). More simple and rational marketing from conservatives (not necessarily the GOP) is what is required to defeat this insanity.
nolapol on May 4, 2009 at 5:33 PM
Well if they ever get to a point where they need to prosecute people, every single one of them who signed off on this needs to be prosecuted as well. Including liars who claim they knew nothing about it, like the queen of lies herself, Nancy Pelosi.
scalleywag on May 4, 2009 at 5:34 PM
We prosecuted Nazis and killed communist spies by the dozen during the cold war, so lets now prosecute, then execute Pelosi, Dodd, Reid, and Frank.
That’s just for starters.
Want to play more tit for tat Dodd?
Spiritk9 on May 4, 2009 at 5:34 PM
Wow! For the first time ever, I want to know what Joy Behar said about something. How did she reply about supporting abortion but not wanting to be aborted?
Jim Treacher on May 4, 2009 at 5:36 PM
haha, have you anything to add to that?
scalleywag on May 4, 2009 at 5:36 PM
Well considering what a crook Dodd is, he has got his nerve talking about the law…that is just such hypocricy.
And what about rendition? How do we know what Obama is sending people off to today?
It is just like the morons who compare waterboarding to Japanese water torture, they do not know what they are talking about. I find that the most frustrating, the sheer ignorance of some of these people is just stunning. They not only do not know what they are talking about, they have no interest in finding out either.
My guess is Dodd is desperate and he is trying to raise money and get the nutroot vote.
I will tell you this, AlQaida has been known to put children in an oven on bake, they have skinned people alive, cut off their heads, blown them up, hanged them, shot them and done just about every nasty thing you can think of..and if Truman were around today, waterboarding would be the least of their problems. As far as that is concerned I don’t think the Greatest Generation would have bothered giving any of these people Miranda rights either.
strangelet once compared the Bush administration to the people running death camps and all I could think of what kind of idiot does not know what a death camp really is?
Terrye on May 4, 2009 at 5:36 PM
scalleywag on May 4, 2009 at 5:36 PMi do!Q
hes a stupid grass munching lop hopping hob nobber drool drinker!
and hes a monron
MORAN! as the say
blatantblue on May 4, 2009 at 5:37 PM
Okay, so I’ll admit right upfront that this is a WEAK statement, but…
WE WON BOTH WARS! Thus we had the authority/power to prosecute the war criminals. Do you think that if the Nazis would have won that Hitler would have put himself on trial??? I’m sure he would have arrested those mean ‘ol Japanese and Italians.
Dodd is a Dumbass!
PS – Oh, yeah, in both cases the “we” in “we one” refers to the “good” guys. While the US and its allies have done some things wrong, there is NO QUESTION as to who the “good” guys are in these wars. If you disagree with this, then you are either massively uninformed or totally misguided. It *can* be argued that we should not have attacked Iraq, but there is no argument as to the moral intention of the parties involved. In both conflicts, “we” were fighting to save the lives of those that a true maniac was killing.
gregbert on May 4, 2009 at 5:37 PM
Yo Dudd, errrrrrrrrrrrrr Dodd! Judge ye not, dudd, karma is rearing itself on you, and soon!!!
capejasmine on May 4, 2009 at 5:37 PM
blatanblue:
Hey, don’t hold back.
Terrye on May 4, 2009 at 5:37 PM
oh and the farkoin batrtender wouildnt shut up about his apartment in mexico.
how ooooh the mexicaos have such good healthcare!
get the hell OUT
blatantblue on May 4, 2009 at 5:39 PM
But what if Dodd and the Dems are the ones acting like the Nazi’s? I guess that means we’d be within our rights to prosecute them all, from Obama on down!
JellyToast on May 4, 2009 at 5:39 PM
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