DeMint: Focus on freedom for the big tent

posted at 12:55 pm on May 4, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

With all of the talk about big-tent Republicanism among the moderates, a missive from one of the most conservative Senators makes the most sense.  Jim DeMint, who has campaigned for conservatives and conservative causes, advises his allies on the Right that the GOP needs to narrow its focus if it expects to win elections again.  In fact, the more narrow the focus, the bigger the tent — and DeMint knows exactly where to start:

Despite notable successes at both ends of Pennsylvania Ave., it seems to me that Republicans in Congress and in the Bush administration forgot a simple truth. To paraphrase C.S. Lewis, if you aim for principled reform, you win elections in the bargain; if you just aim for elections, you get neither.

No Child Left Behind didn’t win us “soccer moms,” but it did cost us our credibility on locally controlled education. Medicare prescription drugs didn’t win us a “permanent majority,” but it cost us our credibility on entitlement reform. Every year, another Republican quality was tainted: managerial competence, fiscal discipline and personal ethics.

To win back the trust of the American people, we must be a “big tent” party. But big tents need strong poles, and the strongest pole of our party — the organizing principle and the crucial alternative to the Democrats — must be freedom. The federal government is too big, takes too much of our money, and makes too many of our decisions. If Republicans can’t agree on that, elections are the least of our problems.

If the American people want a European-style social democracy, the Democratic Party will give it to them. We can’t win a bidding war with Democrats.

Freedom will mean different things to different Republicans, but it can tether a diverse coalition to inalienable principles. Republicans can welcome a vigorous debate about legalized abortion or same-sex marriage; but we should be able to agree that social policies should be set through a democratic process, not by unelected judges. Our party benefits from national-security debates; but Republicans can start from the premise that the U.S. is an exceptional nation and force for good in history. We can argue about how to rein in the federal Leviathan; but we should agree that centralized government infringes on individual liberty and that problems are best solved by the people or the government closest to them.

I said the same thing many times over the last couple of years.  If the GOP presents voters with a choice between a fake Democrat and a real Democrat, voters will choose the authentic item every time.  The Republican Party at some point began being afraid of its own core values of smaller government, greater personal freedom, and federalism.  Instead, Republicans went on a lobbyist and spending spree that violated the very values that formed the core of the party.

The surprise isn’t that the GOP began losing elections in 2006.  The surprise is that they didn’t start losing them earlier.

Some would have Republicans give up entirely on the principles of fiscal restraint and limitation of government power, arguing that the American people want to get bribed into voting for their representatives.  I disagree.  Over the last decade, the Republicans haven’t provided much of an option on that front, with Republicans porking up the budget and increasing the reach of DC in every budget they approved.  DeMint argues that, given a choice, most Americans don’t want the federal government taking their money for wasteful pork projects and wealth redistribution.  And if the Republicans can focus on that argument and not allow themselves to get distracted on other fronts, they can win larger and larger coalitions as they build their credibility on these issues — as long as they don’t turn back into fake Democrats once they get elected.

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Shout out to HawkDriver.

We’re thinking about ya!

Knucklehead on May 4, 2009 at 12:57 PM

Rock on Jim DeMint

jake-the-goose on May 4, 2009 at 12:58 PM

Republicans can welcome a vigorous debate about legalized abortion or same-sex marriage;

Heresy! Throw him out with Frum and the McCains!

hicsuget on May 4, 2009 at 12:58 PM

Ed, how about a fake Republican? Or a fake in general. I think people are just tired of fakes.

I agree with the article, but people need to start waking up and elect someone who actually has values.

upinak on May 4, 2009 at 12:59 PM

Here’s the GOP motto:

Freedom, Federalism, & Family

WashJeff on May 4, 2009 at 1:00 PM

The surprise isn’t that the GOP began losing elections in 2006. The surprise is that they didn’t start losing them earlier.

Without the War on Terror, they would’ve lost the House in 2002 and the White House in 2004.

steveegg on May 4, 2009 at 1:02 PM

DeMint’s been rising in my estimation lately. It didn’t hurt that Peggy Noonan singled him out for criticism in her own last burble of op-ed pablum, ironically enough also on behalf of her version of “big tent” politics. Now if we could only get David Frum and David Brooks to slander him, we’d have the makings of another base hero.

CK MacLeod on May 4, 2009 at 1:03 PM

I just hope DeMint isn’t part of this ridiculous National Council for a New America, because the inclusion of McCain puts me right off that whole thing.

DeMint is the real deal. I’d love to see him build on what he’s done so far and take a run at the fraudulent one in ’12.

califcon on May 4, 2009 at 1:03 PM

Knucklehead on May 4, 2009 at 12:57 PM

COOL BEANS!!!!!

Cindy Munford on May 4, 2009 at 1:03 PM

Good points, Jim DeMint and Ed. I agree with upinak 12:59 PM; we need a whole bunch of willing leaders whose core belief is guided by principle, not electability. Democrats have electability by triangulation mastered, and Republicans are not going to beat them at that game.

Freedom or liberty would be the way to go. Joe Scarborough was saying similar things this morning on his radio show; the tide coming in, ready to swamp the election booths, is that individual liberty is in danger of becoming a thing of the past. The Republicans would be STUPID not to become the party of freedom and liberty.

flutejpl on May 4, 2009 at 1:04 PM

Freedom, Federalism, & Family

WashJeff on May 4, 2009 at 1:00 PM

Not bad, except the kewl kids don’t know what Federalism is, and you know how important it is to appearl to the kewl kids.

CK MacLeod on May 4, 2009 at 1:04 PM

Can I get an AMEN from the congregation?

tempestleo on May 4, 2009 at 1:04 PM

Embrace the Constitution.

Cindy Munford on May 4, 2009 at 1:05 PM

I like DeMint and Sarah alot. Last election I was a strong Romney supporter. His joining this stupid Learn, Listen, Lead crap with McCain and crew changed all that. They are nothing but a bunch of panderers and none of them will go anywhere. Shame on you Mitt. We want real “conservatives” who articulate conservative values and ideals and not pandering Republicans that want to be everything to everybody.

suzyk on May 4, 2009 at 1:06 PM

Republicans can welcome a vigorous debate about legalized abortion or same-sex marriage;

Heresy! Throw him out with Frum and the McCains!

hicsuget on May 4, 2009 at 12:58 PM

How many pro-life Dems are there again? How many non-finger-crossing pro-traditional-marriage Dems are there?

steveegg on May 4, 2009 at 1:07 PM

Some would have Republicans give up entirely on the principles of fiscal restraint and limitation of government power, arguing that the American people want to get bribed into voting for their representatives. I disagree.

Me too. This should be the one thing we can all agree on. Indeed, I’m stunned to learn that some “Republicans” actually make that argument.

Buy Danish on May 4, 2009 at 1:08 PM

I dont like “Freedom” as a political action call. It makes it sound cheap and cheesy. They will over use it and beat it into the ground to the point where it will be used mockingly. Sort of like what Obama did with hope and change.

Of course, i dont have a better alternative so … whatever.

I certainly agree with him on NCLB and Medicare entitlements.

Dash on May 4, 2009 at 1:08 PM

The surprise isn’t that the GOP began losing elections in 2006. The surprise is that they didn’t start losing them earlier.

People stuck with Bush (and the GOP) much longer than they otherwise would have, because of the WOT. The Democrats were so bad on this issue that fear of losing the war, kept many Republicans home.

In 2008, with the war in Iraq winding down and McCain perceived as being not as tough on the war as Bush had been, many people saw less reason to support the rest of the mess, in order to keep the country safe.

MarkTheGreat on May 4, 2009 at 1:10 PM

Get some leaders who believe in the fundamentals of America, love the country, and can speak with some passion.

People respond to those who believe in themselves and America, not calculating wonks and poll watchers.

The populace wants to be inspired, not merely massaged.

profitsbeard on May 4, 2009 at 1:10 PM

Republicans can welcome a vigorous debate about legalized abortion or same-sex marriage;

Heresy! Throw him out with Frum and the McCains!

hicsuget on May 4, 2009 at 12:58 PM

How many pro-life Dems are there again? How many non-finger-crossing pro-traditional-marriage Dems are there?

steveegg on May 4, 2009 at 1:07 PM

Having the debate is fine, first at least we debate on our side. Second we find out where our principles are.
Freedom and government reform are great issues to run on. So is rule of law. Restoring Private Property and Contractual rights should be key issues.

Iblis on May 4, 2009 at 1:11 PM

I agree with what he says but where was he when all the stupid bills were passed. Seems to me like another politician who is jumping from the sinking boat onto a passing ship. In my estimation no one who has been in the Congress the last 4 years deserves to be there anymore.

dpierson on May 4, 2009 at 1:12 PM

Been saying it for awhile…

America is by and large Fiscaly Conservative, and Socialy Libertarian/Soc Federalist.

Leave Social Policy to the State Level, and somehow craft either Legislation, or a Constitutional Amenedment which takes Social Engineering power away from Judges.

A party which embraces this philosophy will sweep elections.

Romeo13 on May 4, 2009 at 1:12 PM

We can’t win a bidding war with Democrats.

I honestly believe that Karl Rove and GW’s advisors convenced Bush that taking the Democrats social programs off the table by passing programs like the prescription bill would get Bush re-elected in 04. While it may have worked, the fiscal conservative’s rebelled and stayed home in 06. The rest is history.

Rovin on May 4, 2009 at 1:12 PM

Good for DeMint. Well said. “If Republicans can’t agree on that, elections are the least of our problems.”

Meanwhile, the Whigs have launched their “New Whigs for a New America” tour, featuring Jeb Bush and Mitt Romney, who want to offer the country a kinder, gentler form of socialism. I wouldn’t walk across the street to see those two or any other Whigs speak. They are lost, and should stay lost.

james23 on May 4, 2009 at 1:12 PM

CK MacLeod on May 4, 2009 at 1:03 PM

I agree.

DeMint has been earning his cred all along. What were his votes on the bailout(s) and other notable boondoggles? Did he vote for that wretched GIVE act?

Mommypundit on May 4, 2009 at 1:13 PM

Demint rocks.

therightwinger on May 4, 2009 at 1:13 PM

I said the same thing many times over the last couple of years. If the GOP presents voters with a choice between a fake Democrat and a real Democrat, voters will choose the authentic item every time.

Correct me if I’m wrong Ed – but I believe on the old Captain’s Quarter’s site you were a big fan of McCain because he was a “moderate” Republican.

At least that’s the impression I got.

Only difference I saw between Obama and McCain is that McCain was “Pro-GWOT” and “Anti-Earmarks”. Otherwise – alien amnesty, waterboarding, Tarp, mortgage bailouts, etc. etc – the two were the same to me.

HondaV65 on May 4, 2009 at 1:14 PM

Not really sure why Romney is hanging out with McCain anyway…and why they are constantly sniping at Sarah.

Keep a close watch during primary time. The media will anoint who they want for our nominee…and the liberals will vote him in in the open primary states, just like McCain.

Mommypundit on May 4, 2009 at 1:15 PM

Romeo13 on May 4, 2009 at 1:12 PM

“RINO piece of crap!” – social cons.

lorien1973 on May 4, 2009 at 1:15 PM

…big tents need strong poles, and the strongest pole of our party — the organizing principle and the crucial alternative to the Democrats — must be freedom. The federal government is too big, takes too much of our money, and makes too many of our decisions. If Republicans can’t agree on that, elections are the least of our problems.

Amen

Vashta.Nerada on May 4, 2009 at 1:15 PM

How many pro-life Dems are there again? How many non-finger-crossing pro-traditional-marriage Dems are there?

steveegg on May 4, 2009 at 1:07 PM

That’s completely irrelevant, but there will be one more once we throw DeMint out.

hicsuget on May 4, 2009 at 1:16 PM

Mommypundit on May 4, 2009 at 1:13 PM

no, DeMint was one of the only senators to oppose the GIVE Act. see his speech here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TPi0gR-P8w

thankful on May 4, 2009 at 1:16 PM

“…big tents need strong poles…”

I like it! It is what I’ve always believed. I just couldn’t say it as well.

SKYFOX on May 4, 2009 at 1:17 PM

The surprise isn’t that the GOP began losing elections in 2006. The surprise is that they didn’t start losing them earlier.

If it hadn’t been for 9/11 and Iraq, Republicans would have turned on George W. Bush in 2002. Karl Rove used the war issue masterfully to keep Republicans in the fold and to demonize Democrats.

In fact, I would go so far as to say that if Republicans had really understood Bush’s “big-government conservatism” he would not have won the Republican nomination in 2000.

rockmom on May 4, 2009 at 1:18 PM

I’m likin this DeMint guy. Limited government, lower taxes, fiscal responsibility, protection of freedoms in the constitution, states rights. Sounds like the kind of things that got republicans into power multiple times now. I’m sure it will work again.

uskorea on May 4, 2009 at 1:19 PM

Leave Social Policy to the State Level, and somehow craft either Legislation, or a Constitutional Amenedment which takes Social Engineering power away from Judges.

A party which embraces this philosophy will sweep elections.

Romeo13 on May 4, 2009 at 1:12 PM

Now there’s change we can believe in!

hicsuget on May 4, 2009 at 1:21 PM

So how did this great supporter of federalism vote on the FMA and Terry Schivo?

radiofreevillage on May 4, 2009 at 1:22 PM

And then Jeb Bush wonders why we look to Reagan.

blatantblue on May 4, 2009 at 1:23 PM

Time for a Convention,suspend the ‘Purge’,
and see if the moderates can reach the common
ground,and get what’s best for the party,so
everyone can be a little happier at its direction!!

canopfor on May 4, 2009 at 1:23 PM

Freedom will mean different things to different Republicans, but it can tether a diverse coalition to inalienable principles.

The problem with placing freedom as the cental principle of the Party, is that freedom does mean so many different things, some of which are the opposite of freedom.

Instead of freedom, I prefer to focus on the conservative fiscal and small government principles, that Jim DeMint mentioned:

The federal government is too big, takes too much of our money, and makes too many of our decisions.

The disaster of California has proven that fiscal discipline is essential to our survival. However, even fiscal discipline and less intrusive government is not enough to protect our liberties. We must maintain a smart and strong national defense.

Loxodonta on May 4, 2009 at 1:24 PM

I honestly believe that Karl Rove and GW’s advisors convenced Bush that taking the Democrats social programs off the table by passing programs like the prescription bill would get Bush re-elected in 04. While it may have worked, the fiscal conservative’s rebelled and stayed home in 06. The rest is history.

Rovin on May 4, 2009 at 1:12 PM

You are right. They never understood that Republicans will never get credit for increasing spending on anything, because donks will always say it isn’t enough. Donks are still arguing over “fully funding” No Child Left Behind. They simply changed the subject after the Medicare bill passed and continued to scare the old people about Social Security.

Rove also truly believed that legalizing all the Mexicans would turn them and the already-here-legally Hispanics into Republicans forever. That didn’t work either. All these things simply pissed off Republicans. And then the pissed-off republicans were used by the donks to show Hispanics that Republicans hate them.

rockmom on May 4, 2009 at 1:25 PM

Correct me if I’m wrong Ed – but I believe on the old Captain’s Quarter’s site you were a big fan of McCain because he was a “moderate” Republican.HondaV65 on May 4, 2009 at 1:14 PM

In all fairness, HV65, (and not speakin’ for Ed), I think many folks were not aware of Mac’s social policies back in the early CQ days. With the exception of amnesty, which we knew McCain was soft on, his “moderate” stance meant he was willing to work with conservative/moderate democrats to try to get “things” done. But you are right—-his fiscal disipline has deteriorated long after the good ol’ days at Caps Quarters.

Rovin on May 4, 2009 at 1:27 PM

Some would have Republicans give up entirely on the principles of fiscal restraint and limitation of government power, arguing that the American people want to get bribed into voting for their representatives. I disagree.

OK, people here consistently accuse me of making straw man arguments, but I just wanted to point one out so you know what it is when you see it. This quote from Ed is a fine example.

Leave Social Policy to the State Level, and somehow craft either Legislation, or a Constitutional Amenedment which takes Social Engineering power away from Judges.

A party which embraces this philosophy will sweep elections.

Romeo13 on May 4, 2009 at 1:12 PM

Will the party ride around on Unicorns and hang out with Leprechauns?

Proud Rino on May 4, 2009 at 1:28 PM

But big tents need strong poles, and the strongest pole of our party — the organizing principle and the crucial alternative to the Democrats — must be freedom.

If the American people want a European-style social democracy, the Democratic Party will give it to them. We can’t win a bidding war with Democrats.

It may be slipped in under another guise
But to all Obama’s fascist action most foul we must still be wise
In spite of all the Houdini lies
Dancing in Obama’s Mussolini eyes

MB4 on May 4, 2009 at 1:33 PM

here is the question: Would George Bush won in 2000, had he not campaigned on the Drug Entitlement and Education Reform? Or would it have been Al Gore, in the whitehouse, on 9/11 instead?

the calculus, was of course they had to go to the left on some issues and coin the ‘compassionate conservative’ phrase to win over enough Moderates to actually Win.

The Democrats do the same thing, with one big difference being Bush was true to his word. Obama not so much, but of course the Dems have the advantage of the MSM at work for them

jp on May 4, 2009 at 1:37 PM

If anyone would like to check Jim DeMint’s record, please
go to http://senate.ontheissues.org/Senate/Jim_DeMint.htm.
This site in my opinion is one of the best online. They rate him as a hard core conservative & you can see for yourself his voting record on any topic. Great site!!
Jim DeMint is one of the best & he is right. Freedom is at the core of all of the tea parties. Without it, non of the issues, pro or con make any difference. What was the Revolution about? Freedom is both FOR and FROM issues, it is a winner, in my opinion & so is Jim DeMint!!!! I read a lot of sites that the Hillary Democrats put up and this is a main concern for them also. A BIG TENT INDEED!!!!

bluefox on May 4, 2009 at 1:40 PM

So long as freedom as central pole means uncorrupted freedom, not the contradictory kind currently practiced by the GOP. Freedom cannot exist with a social engineering structure, whether that structure be humanist or religious or familial in nature. Our government is not arbiter of these things, we are. The federal government was never meant to be policing our bodies, or our relationships, or the units in which we organize.

End the contradiction. End support for petty, useless federal drug laws and related sentencing guidlines. End support for a legal definition of marriage that takes cultural values into account. End the welfare by another name that is the farm bill.

The GOP doesn’t get to play christian or familial engineer for society. The role of the federal government is outlined clearly in the constitution, and where it is not we must err on the side of caution always. The GOP just doesn’t do that.

ernesto on May 4, 2009 at 1:40 PM

no child left behind was the first wake call for me. I disagreed strongly with that one. then the medicare drug stuff pushed me further away from the GOp. Then the unchecked spending with no veto for 6 freaking years. but what made me understand how out of touch the elites were with me was the immigration debate. that told me beyond doubt that the bluebloods had takern over the party and Reagan was forgotten by them.

As Zell miller said of the democratic party. I did not leave the GOP the GOP left me.

If Demint’s idea takes hold I will again join the party until then the bluebloods can take there listen learn and lead campaign and go to hell

unseen on May 4, 2009 at 1:42 PM

The federal government is too big, takes too much of our money, and makes too many of our decisions. If Republicans can’t agree on that, elections are the least of our problems.

I’m sure Barak Obama would gladly pay lip service to the exact same sentiment.

If want to DEFEAT liberalism; if you want to get heard above the liberal media’s ten thousand megaphones; then you have to be as focused as a laser beam.

If you mean to say “dismantle the Welfare State”, then say “dismantle the Welfare State.”

Four words. How hard is that?

logis on May 4, 2009 at 1:42 PM

This is another great post by Captain Ed.

The Republicans need to present themselves as the party opposed to Statism.

Granted, that message will only appeal to the 52% of Americans who are actually paying federal income taxes, a percentage that will likely shrink if Obama-Hope-and-Change economics takes hold.

ColtsFan on May 4, 2009 at 1:43 PM

here is the question: Would George Bush won in 2000, had he not campaigned on the Drug Entitlement and Education Reform? Or would it have been Al Gore, in the whitehouse, on 9/11 instead?

jp on May 4, 2009 at 1:37 PM

In other words, Bush had to burn the village in order to save it? Is it such a good thing to sell out piecemeal?

Further, had not the social cons been running the show during the primaries, we could have had Forbes or McCain in the general. McCain could hardly have been more fiscally irresponsible than Bush, and would have undoubtedly won by a wider margin, sparing us four years of “Republicans stole the election.”

hicsuget on May 4, 2009 at 1:45 PM

The disease that brought down the Republicans was the belief that they had to have a solution to all the world’s problems. That of course is the Democrat’s belief. If you believe in the Power of the State, the the State has to answer every question. What you never hear anymore, and it used to be a major discussion point, is…”It’s not the government’s purview.”

The government cannot solve all the world’s problems for everyone. Therefore is should not try because when it tries to do something that it cannot do, it generally makes things worse.

Social issues are local issues. How has $Trillions in welfare spending turned out? The greatest threat to western civilization is not disease or climate or war. It’s social security and the belief that old people have an inalienable right to enslave younger generations to support their life of leisure. Get rid of all the special interests hanging on the Eagle’s teat and you get back to the purpose of the federal government being things like national defense, protection of citizens from hostile foreign acts, domestic law enforcement, regulation and protection of the money infrastructure, etc. In short, conservative fiscal policies and small federal government.

J in STL on May 4, 2009 at 1:47 PM

Been saying it for awhile…

America is by and large Fiscaly Conservative, and Socialy Libertarian/Soc Federalist.

Leave Social Policy to the State Level, and somehow craft either Legislation, or a Constitutional Amenedment which takes Social Engineering power away from Judges.

A party which embraces this philosophy will sweep elections.

Romeo13 on May 4, 2009 at 1:12 PM

It’s not new – it takes Republicans via Reagan all the way to the origins of the party. Libertarians, Social Conservatives, Economic Conservatives, Reform Conservatives, Radical Conservatives all should be able to agree on liberty – neither federal government nor the groups that use it as a proxy should be allowed to place one person, group, caste, or class in the position to enslave another, whether it’s through perversion of the political process, by bankrupting the country, by setting one ethnic group against another, by establishing religion including the religion of secular humanism in the state and education, or by yielding national sovereignty and national interests to foreign powers.

When conservatives are united for liberty, they can shock the world. For that reason, setting so-called social conservatives against so-called economic conservatives is THE strategic goal of Democrats and fellow travelers. The constant sniping and insults from one wing against the other helps them.

CK MacLeod on May 4, 2009 at 1:48 PM

This type of articulation is the only future the GOP has. Right now we have a struggle between tyranny and liberty. Democrats are pushing for total state control. Republicans must become the party of liberty, the free individual and market, empowered local government, and limited federal power.

We need many more like DeMint.

alteredbeat on May 4, 2009 at 1:49 PM

Instead of yakking why don’t they propose bills to limit government(and mean it!)? The Dems wouldn’t allow it to pass but if you publicized the effort…

Tom

marinetbryant on May 4, 2009 at 1:51 PM

Libertarians, Social Conservatives, Economic Conservatives, Reform Conservatives, Radical Conservatives all should be able to agree on liberty…

CK MacLeod on May 4, 2009 at 1:48 PM

That’s exactly the problem–Social Conservatives would rather sacrifice liberty to the rest of their agenda. Ever heard of Mike Huckabee?

hicsuget on May 4, 2009 at 1:51 PM

Keep a close watch during primary time. The media will anoint who they want for our nominee…and the liberals will vote him in in the open primary states, just like McCain.

Mommypundit on May 4, 2009 at 1:15 PM

This is what we need to change now. We have to close the elections in these open primary states. It totally screwed us in the last election.

KickandSwimMom on May 4, 2009 at 1:53 PM

In reading Levin’s book Liberty and Tyranny he brought up a great counter to the argument the Federalism (i.e., State Right’s) allowed slavery to occur and it took the Federal government to stop it. His counter argument to that was that the Federal Government did not end slavery in DC (for which it makes the laws) until 1862.

WashJeff on May 4, 2009 at 1:55 PM

Further, had not the social cons been running the show during the primaries, we could have had Forbes or McCain in the general. McCain could hardly have been more fiscally irresponsible than Bush, and would have undoubtedly won by a wider margin, sparing us four years of “Republicans stole the election.”

hicsuget on May 4, 2009 at 1:45 PM

McCain would have lost by a wider margin than Bush in 2000 (do remember Bush did lose the popular vote). Nice try, though.

steveegg on May 4, 2009 at 2:03 PM

That’s exactly the problem–Social Conservatives would rather sacrifice liberty to the rest of their agenda. Ever heard of Mike Huckabee?

hicsuget on May 4, 2009 at 1:51 PM

Where Huckabee veers into Socially Conservative Progressivism, then he betrays conservatism. You won’t get any argument from me on that. However, I believe that Huckabee’s statist tendencies have been exaggerated by his opponents. I’d certainly prefer Huckabee’s statism to Obama’s, if I had to choose.

But you won’t get anywhere by operating on the basis of stereotypes. Libertarianism/federalism should be the positive check on social conservatism, just as traditional values and faith should provide a positive check on libertarianism.

CK MacLeod on May 4, 2009 at 2:04 PM

The Tax Day Tea Party should have been a great lesson to the republican party. There were democrats, standing next to republicans, unhappy for a number of reasons, higher taxes, the stimulus package and out of control spending in DC, the socialization of our business sector, socialized healthcare, amnesty……these are a handful of problems that both the republicans and democrats both believe are going to destroy our economic and social prosperity.

The democrats that are not on a obama koolaid IV are waking up and they are realizing that their country is being destroyed as the congress and this joke of a president move forward with their agenda.

The RNC needs to realize that they are ripe for the plucking….we need to endorse our core principles of smaller government, lower taxes, our conservative values and they will come over in droves….

We also need to find where they are keeping Biden and put Lindsey Graham, John McCain, and other RINOS is that bunker with Biden and Shut them the hell up. They are not representatives of the new movement of conservatism. They are the past and they need to be destroyed.

HornetSting on May 4, 2009 at 2:08 PM

DeMint can bring the party together without losing our basic principles like Jeb Bush, et al, would have us do.

DeMint 2012.

moonsbreath on May 4, 2009 at 2:10 PM

That’s completely irrelevant, but there will be one more once we throw DeMint out.

hicsuget on May 4, 2009 at 1:16 PM

No, it’s not irrelevant. What the pro-death/pro-same-sex-marriage part of the Republican Party (yes, Virginia, there is one) wants to do is what the governmentally-liberal part of the GOP has already successfully done – leave no difference between the two parties by doing what their counterparts in the Democratic Party have done. What they (and it sounds like, you) don’t realize (or alternately, what they don’t care about) is that there are far fewer fiscal/govermental-conservative/social liberal types out there than fiscal/govermental/social conservatives.

steveegg on May 4, 2009 at 2:12 PM

I agree totally, that the Republicans need to be more focused, and get back to their core values, and principles.

However….I remember years ago, while Clinton was campaigning for re-election. There was some news story on tv, as to why so many women were voting for Clinton. Their answer? Because he’s cute, and, or , sexy.

The same claim could be made for Obama, but on a larger scale. That star power, that icon crap, is what got Obama elected. Should Republicans go that route? NO! But until we teach our young people, and new voters, why it’s important to vote, and why the issues matter in one’s vote…this kind of crap could keep happening.

We need to teach our children, that because one party candidate might be more iconic, and attractive, is that why we vote for them? I am teaching my children, that it’s not the cover of the book, it’s the substance inside, that matters….and many many children, and young people need to do the same.

capejasmine on May 4, 2009 at 2:14 PM

DeMint/Palin 2012

hachiban on May 4, 2009 at 2:16 PM

…just as traditional values and faith should provide a positive check on libertarianism.

CK MacLeod on May 4, 2009 at 2:04 PM

Why should it? How is Christian socialism any better than secular socialism?

hicsuget on May 4, 2009 at 2:19 PM

hachiban on May 4, 2009 at 2:16 PM

Palin’s not insane enough to run for VP again – it would be all downside for her – and that show wouldn’t be entertaining again as a re-run.

Palin/DeMint might make sense, but only if Palin proves that she’s got the chops.

CK MacLeod on May 4, 2009 at 2:23 PM

The Repubs can talk about freedom and fiscal discipline all they want, but until they start acting on it in a serious and heavy duty way (HOW ABOUT ANY TIME NOW), they’ll never get votes.

hogfat on May 4, 2009 at 2:24 PM

Why should it? How is Christian socialism any better than secular socialism?

hicsuget on May 4, 2009 at 2:19 PM

Get a grip. Diverging from conservatism on smoking regulation isn’t socialism, it was just stupid pandering. Huckabee was better on TARP and the bailouts than a lot of “small-government” Republicans. Huckabee’s not my first choice, but as Huckabee himself might be the first to tell you, there was only one perfect man, and they killed him. He’s no more “socialist” than Mitt Romneycare. I’m not a big booster of either them, but what I really hate is turning from a purity test to a stereotype and writing conservatism’s most loyal proponents and activists out of the future of the party.

CK MacLeod on May 4, 2009 at 2:29 PM

no, DeMint was one of the only senators to oppose the GIVE Act. see his speech here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TPi0gR-P8w

thankful on May 4, 2009 at 1:16 PM

Okay, how do we promote this guy?

Count to 10 on May 4, 2009 at 2:32 PM

…just as traditional values and faith should provide a positive check on libertarianism.

CK MacLeod on May 4, 2009 at 2:04 PM

Why should it? How is Christian socialism any better than secular socialism?

hicsuget on May 4, 2009 at 2:19 PM

* Economic conservatism broadly defined – libertarian, federalist, fiscally responsible, etc. – should be the positive, practical check on social conservatism: Where social conservative commitments can’t be understood and implemented in ways that make sense from a federalist, libertarian perspective is usually where social conservatism begins to become counterproductive to its own ends and values (for instance, by threatening to “establish” the doctrines and dogmas of one religion or sect).
* Similarly, social conservatism should be the positive, practical check on economic conservatism. Libertarian and free market ideas begin to turn into their opposite when forced to one or another extreme – anarchy, or anarchy sooner or later giving way to brute corporate force. Traditional values and value-based communities trace the practical as well as the moral limits of pure libertarianism.

http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2009/04/30/1361-days-to-go-stop-helping-the-statists-divide-us/

CK MacLeod on May 4, 2009 at 2:32 PM

To HornetSting@2:08 PM…I agree with your entire post.

The democrats that are not on a obama koolaid IV are waking up and they are realizing that their country is being destroyed as the congress and this joke of a president move forward with their agenda.
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You are correct about this. Hillary received about 18 million votes in 2008, and approx 28% of these voted FOR McCain/Palin. I don’t know if you read any “Hillary” blogs, but I do and one would think they were Republican and or Conservative blogs!!! If our Party would stop majoring in minors and look at the big picture (FREEDOM), maybe we could fill our Big Tent!!! See my post at 1:40 pm if you like. Thanks for your comments.

bluefox on May 4, 2009 at 2:32 PM

Out of my pocket, and out of my bedroom.

DeMint is oh so right, but are the Republicans really a group of people who celebrate individual liberty?

beatcanvas on May 4, 2009 at 2:36 PM

beatcanvas on May 4, 2009 at 2:36 PM

Do you grant Christian conservatives the “liberty” to decry abortion-on-demand policies that have, for instance, destroyed poor families and turned the ghettos into massive death camps presided over by progressive Kapos, among other things resulting in a black population about half the size of it would have been, and in near-permanent underclass status?

CK MacLeod on May 4, 2009 at 2:43 PM

Out of my pocket, and out of my bedroom.

DeMint is oh so right, but are the Republicans really a group of people who celebrate individual liberty?

beatcanvas on May 4, 2009 at 2:36 PM

Yes.
But remember, liberty is not license, and most of the information you receive about Republicans is filtered through people who work toward their destruction.

Count to 10 on May 4, 2009 at 2:44 PM

bluefox on May 4, 2009 at 2:32 PM

Absolutely! We need to see the big picture. Stop pandering, stop trying to be like the damn democrats.

Lower taxes, smaller government, following the constitution! Love of this great country. That is where it is at.

I believe you are right, the democrats that are not getting welfare and other goodies from the government are starting to wonder if they made a mistake. We need to scoop them up……
The democrats got mad when we questioned their love for this country and YET, if they love this country so much, why is our president going around the world apologizing for it and why are they so hellbent on trying to change it??????

HornetSting on May 4, 2009 at 2:45 PM

Do you grant Christian conservatives the “liberty” to decry abortion-on-demand policies that have, for instance, destroyed poor families and turned the ghettos into massive death camps presided over by progressive Kapos, among other things resulting in a black population about half the size of it would have been, and in near-permanent underclass status?

CK MacLeod on May 4, 2009 at 2:43 PM

I think the problem is in a conflation of advocacy with legislation. A lot of people think that when you preach against something, you intend to legislate against it, when it is probably closer to the truth that you want to remove the legislation that prevents people from acting on their own consciences.

Count to 10 on May 4, 2009 at 2:49 PM

Count to 10 on May 4, 2009 at 2:49 PM

This problem is also an opportunity. Really, the practical difference between a Giuliani, a Thompson, a Reagan, and a Palin on an issue like choice is minimal, but the latter three earn the confidence of the socially conservative base because they make it clear where their values and principles are. Huckabee’s possible statist tendencies may make him seem more “dangerous.” In the case of Palin, the smear job against her has masked her effectively libertarian tendencies.

From the evangelicals I know, most would be more than willing to support a candidate who shared and celebrated their values, sought to change hearts and minds, and promised to remove a pervasive pro-abortion bias from government.

CK MacLeod on May 4, 2009 at 3:01 PM

* Similarly, social conservatism should be the positive, practical check on economic conservatism. Libertarian and free market ideas begin to turn into their opposite when forced to one or another extreme – anarchy, or anarchy sooner or later giving way to brute corporate force. Traditional values and value-based communities trace the practical as well as the moral limits of pure libertarianism.

CK MacLeod on May 4, 2009 at 2:32 PM

This is what happens when you try to justify the free market system on the basis of conservatism instead of classical liberalism–you end up buying into the same Rousseauian/Marxist drivel as the left. Under a government that protects the rights of all individuals, it is a crime for anyone, corporation or not, to use force to deprive another individual of his rights. If, instead, by “brute corporate force” you mean “through mutually-agreeable exchange reaching a result that is contrary to ‘social justice,’” then Ralph Nader wants his stump speech back. Further, contra the libertarians, classical liberalism abhors anarchy. Last, the Luddites surely would agree with you that there should exist limits to the outcomes of a free market.

Get a grip. Diverging from conservatism on smoking regulation isn’t socialism, it was just stupid pandering….

CK MacLeod on May 4, 2009 at 2:29 PM

The rights to your own body and your own life are the root of all other rights. Less Rousseau, more Locke, please.

hicsuget on May 4, 2009 at 3:02 PM

Out of my pocket, and out of my bedroom public rest areas, bathhouses, back rooms of bars, public airport & bus station bathrooms, beaches, alleyways, city parks, and public sidewalks.

beatcanvas on May 4, 2009 at 2:36 PM

FIFY.

TMK on May 4, 2009 at 3:05 PM

HornetSting 5/4/09 @ 2:45PM

Great minds think alike :) Now all we need to do is find about 65 million more!!! There are more Americans ( of all stripes) that would vote for FREEDOM than there are that would not. All we have to do is round them up & have an issue to vote FOR!! After all I believe there are more WITH us than against us. Have a great day!

bluefox on May 4, 2009 at 3:08 PM

Yes.
But remember, liberty is not license…

Count to 10 on May 4, 2009 at 2:44 PM

My liberty to swing my fist, rightfully, ends where your nose begins, but in red states my liberty to purchase liquor ends where your Sabbath begins. The notion of Republicans-as-Puritans is to some degree a caricature, but there is more than merely a grain of truth behind it.

hicsuget on May 4, 2009 at 3:09 PM

hicsuget on May 4, 2009 at 3:02 PM

I think you have a point on the first part.

On controlled substances point, though, the issue revolves more around the license to sell something that alters a persons mind such that they become dependent on it — issues of honest/responsible trade and loss of liberty through subterfuge.

Count to 10 on May 4, 2009 at 3:10 PM

This is what happens when you try to justify the free market system on the basis of conservatism instead of classical liberalism–you end up buying into the same Rousseauian/Marxist drivel as the left.

And it’s insanity to believe that life on Earth, or any government, will persist in a state of perfect conformity with any set of abstractions. You end up losing the ability to make distinctions, and constantly resorting to demeaning those of us who live on the ground and dealing with concrete reality, including the concrete reality of large numbers of fellow citizens who disagree with us.

Less angels dancing on the head of whatever ideological pins, and more Democratic Capitalism, please.

CK MacLeod on May 4, 2009 at 3:10 PM

My liberty to swing my fist, rightfully, ends where your nose begins, but in red states my liberty to purchase liquor ends where your Sabbath begins. The notion of Republicans-as-Puritans is to some degree a caricature, but there is more than merely a grain of truth behind it.

hicsuget on May 4, 2009 at 3:09 PM

Heh. Well, actual ceremonial based laws are something of a quirky hold over, but it is within the rights of the states to have them, or, rather, outside the power of the federal government to prevent them.
I would prefer that such regulation was on the local level, but that would be up to the constitution of each state, now, wouldn’t it?

Count to 10 on May 4, 2009 at 3:14 PM

CK MacLeod on May 4, 2009 at 3:10 PM

More to the point, you can live by an abstraction, but governance must make allowances for conditions on the ground.

Count to 10 on May 4, 2009 at 3:16 PM

On controlled substances point, though, the issue revolves more around the license to sell something that alters a persons mind such that they become dependent on it— issues of honest/responsible trade and loss of liberty through subterfuge.

Count to 10 on May 4, 2009 at 3:10 PM

Again with the leftist newspeak! Fraud is, and ought to be, a crime. But to have the government dictate what is, and what is not, “honest/responsible/fair trade” is exactly what the far left wants. Once one accepts that the state can nullify or prohibit contractual arrangements between consenting, mentally-competent adults, one accepts the entire premise behind progressivism, and it is only a question of which party controls the government as to how it is used. One could quite easily argue by your reasoning that religion “alters a person’s mind such that they become dependent on it” and require licenses to preach or to sell Bibles. Without property rights, no other rights can exist.

hicsuget on May 4, 2009 at 3:20 PM

I would prefer that such regulation was on the local level, but that would be up to the constitution of each state, now, wouldn’t it?

Count to 10 on May 4, 2009 at 3:14 PM

Federalism doesn’t mean that any idiotic idea somebody has ought to be implemented at the local level; it means merely that it ought not to be implemented at the national level. There exist “dry” counties in the South where all liquor sales are prohibited every day of the week. These laws are not hold-overs from a past era, either–they are reaffirmed on a regular basis by the voters. In those counties, guess which party has a stranglehold on the local government?

hicsuget on May 4, 2009 at 3:24 PM

What they (and it sounds like, you) don’t realize (or alternately, what they don’t care about) is that there are far fewer fiscal/govermental-conservative/social liberal types out there than fiscal/govermental/social conservatives.

steveegg on May 4, 2009 at 2:12 PM

As one of the latter, thank you!

pannw on May 4, 2009 at 3:24 PM

Once one accepts that the state can nullify or prohibit contractual arrangements between consenting, mentally-competent adults

hicsuget on May 4, 2009 at 3:20 PM

Alcohol produces mentally-incompetent adults; that was his point.

TMK on May 4, 2009 at 3:25 PM

Federalism doesn’t mean that any idiotic idea somebody has ought to be implemented at the local level; it means merely that it ought not to be implemented at the national level. There exist “dry” counties in the South where all liquor sales are prohibited every day of the week. These laws are not hold-overs from a past era, either–they are reaffirmed on a regular basis by the voters. In those counties, guess which party has a stranglehold on the local government?

hicsuget on May 4, 2009 at 3:24 PM

Just because it is a hold-over, culturally, doesn’t mean it can’t be new, legally.
Federalism goes both ways — just as you can’t implement them on the national level, you also can’t nationally ban the implementation on the local level.

Count to 10 on May 4, 2009 at 3:27 PM

Alcohol produces mentally-incompetent adults; that was his point.

TMK on May 4, 2009 at 3:25 PM

So does religion. Let’s forbid church services, but only on Sundays.

hicsuget on May 4, 2009 at 3:28 PM

Just because it is a hold-over, culturally, doesn’t mean it can’t be new, legally.
Federalism goes both ways — just as you can’t implement them on the national level, you also can’t nationally ban the implementation on the local level.

Count to 10 on May 4, 2009 at 3:27 PM

I’m not saying we should ban blue laws at the national level. I’m merely saying that Republicans are not the consistent defenders of liberty they claim to be.

hicsuget on May 4, 2009 at 3:29 PM

Alcohol produces mentally-incompetent adults; that was his point.

TMK on May 4, 2009 at 3:25 PM

In deed.
Also, by their very nature, they make all sales fraud.

Count to 10 on May 4, 2009 at 3:29 PM

I’m not saying we should ban blue laws at the national level. I’m merely saying that Republicans are not the consistent defenders of liberty they claim to be.

hicsuget on May 4, 2009 at 3:29 PM

That’s hardly a great infringement of liberty, particularly on the local level. In fact, I could argue that preventing it at the local level in an infringement on the liberties of the residents. After all, you are at liberty to go somewhere else. Voting-with-feet is something that we should think of promoting.
This goes back to the distinction between liberty and license.

Count to 10 on May 4, 2009 at 3:33 PM

profitsbeard @ 1:10

Inspired, yes!

maverick muse on May 4, 2009 at 3:35 PM

I just hope DeMint isn’t part of this ridiculous National Council for a New America, because the inclusion of McCain puts me right off that whole thing.

DeMint is the real deal. I’d love to see him build on what he’s done so far and take a run at the fraudulent one in ‘12.

califcon on May 4, 2009 at 1:03 PM

I really do admire DeMint. He has my support on Capitol Hill now, and down the road as well.

maverick muse on May 4, 2009 at 3:36 PM

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