When it comes to being Pro-Life I wonder how many are like myself in that they’re against abortion as a means of birth control but accept it for cases of rape/incest and absolute danger to mothers health…

Yakko77 on May 4, 2009 at 6:17 PM

Last I heard, that question gets a 70% “yes” response even after 35 years of pro-abortion propaganda.

It all depends on how the question is asked. When asked fairly, those are the boundaries the vast majority of Americans prefer. That’s why you have to ask this question here; that question is hardly ever asked fairly. The dishonest pollsters know what answer they’re going to get.

Here’s the first on “gay marriage”:
“Do you the union of 2 people of the same sex marriage?”

strangelet on May 4, 2009 at 6:21 PM

I wonder how many of those kids in the survey you cited understand what overturning Roe would actually mean. I’m guessing fewer than 3 in 10 do, and that’s being generous. In my experience a slightly smaller percentage of adults than that understand it.

I ask you, what were the numbers 5, 10, 15 years ago? They were much, MUCH lower. At this rate in 10 years, gay marriage advocates will definitely be in the majority. This issue is slipping out of the GOP’s hands and you can just feel the fear and uncertainty there. They will quickly have to come up with another boogeyman soon lest they want voters to actually look at the GOP platform and decide for themselves.

dcwvu on May 4, 2009 at 6:45 PM

If so many GOPers didn’t act like Democrats on issues other than abortion and gay marriage, they GOP wouldn’t be demonized by this sh*t.

I’m glad the GOP takes an aspirational view about abortion.

What’s radical about opposing funding for overseas abortions? What’s radical about reasonable restrictions on late-term abortions? The vaunted Roe court was dumb enough to introduce the concept of viability, and medical science has dialed that back towards conception. What’s radical about parental consent or notification for abortions for minors? What’s radical about cutting off funding to Planned Parenthood? It doesn’t have enough money? What’s to demonize here? I don’t see women going to jail for having an abortion, and I don’t see that coming in the future? And, given the state of the law and the composition of the Supreme Court, what are the prospects of ever overturning Roe? And so what if it were overturned? What does that mean? The GOP never clearly explains that it’s an issue left to each of the states–again, if it gets there?

What’s the more admirable stance? Fighting for the right of an unborn child to be born or fighting for the right of a callous skank too stupid to remember her birth control to terminate a child she doesn’t want? Get a vibrator and get out of the political debate.

More, just look at the language:

Do you think marriages between gay and lesbian couples should or should not be recognized by the law as valid, with the same rights as traditional marriages?

Emphasis naturally added.

Rephrase this as:

“Do you think same-sex civil unions should or should not be recognized by the government as valid, offering the same rights as existing, government-issued marriage licenses?”

And I think you’ll get a much different response.

It’s all about the “M” word. I wish the gay rights groups would get that and drop the “marriage” battle.

I’m for civil unions for gay couples, but not marriage. But the opinions of the 44% might be accounted for in part by the shrillness and insistence of the propaganda they’ve been fed for quite a while now. Of course, that can work both ways and an outcome is never really inevitable.

ddrintn on May 4, 2009 at 10:52 PM

I agree on civil unions. Civil unions probably poll a majority nationally. It is too bad that things are polarized and it looks like a fight over the word “marriage” rather than a discussion over rights.

As for the future, we’ll see. Most people are focused on other things in their daily lives.

The poll had 44% for marriage? That has maybe doubled in the past 20 years. If people are getting more conservative on this issue it hasn’t been at high enough levels to net out the opinions of new voters every year.

dedalus on May 4, 2009 at 10:35 PM

I’m for civil unions for gay couples, but not marriage. But the opinions of the 44% might be accounted for in part by the shrillness and insistence of the propaganda they’ve been fed for quite a while now. Of course, that can work both ways and an outcome is never really inevitable.

Young people simply aren’t opposed to it the way older people are which would indicate that it is only a matter of time.

lexhamfox on May 4, 2009 at 7:29 PM

Because nobody ever changes their opinion as they age and experience life…
/sarc

There are a lot of famous cliches built around that phenomenon, and like most cliches, there’s a lot lot of truth in them. I certainly became more conservative as I got older, and I’m not the only one. Think about that for awhile.

Dreadnought on May 4, 2009 at 9:42 PM

The poll had 44% for marriage? That has maybe doubled in the past 20 years. If people are getting more conservative on this issue it hasn’t been at high enough levels to net out the opinions of new voters every year.

For example, not even the kookiest lefties are celebrating abortion the way they did a couple of decades or so ago. It’s not so socially acceptable, is it?

ddrintn on May 4, 2009 at 7:53 PM

Well, there is that female Bishop who is taking over at the Harvard Divinity School who preaches that abortion is a gift from God. Her name escapres me at the moment, but there is a leftist kook fringe who view abortion as though it were part of their Holy Trinity.

A Balrog of Morgoth on May 4, 2009 at 8:44 PM

Well, yeah, I guess there are some still around like that. Let’s be thankful there are fewer of them. I believe that if this were the mid-1970s though you’d probably remember her name. ;)

I think you’re statistics reasoning is way off. If you look back, support for gay marriage over time has only risen, never fallen back. I assure you, in 10 years time with millions of old folks/baby boomers dead or dying and my generation and younger having more power and influence, the numbers will only get better for equality. You can try to sugarcoat things to rest better at night, but we all know its the truth.

dcwvu on May 4, 2009 at 6:56 PM

What’s the matter? Poll numbers didn’t work out the way you hoped? You sound like the one sugarcoating to me.

Counting chickens before they hatched? This poll demonstrates you don’t even have the eggs. Have you ever considered the fact that people tend to get more conservative as they get older? There are a lot of famous cliches built around that phenomenon, and like most cliches, there’s a lot lot of truth in them. I certainly became more conservative as I got older, and I’m not the only one. Think about that for awhile.

For example, not even the kookiest lefties are celebrating abortion the way they did a couple of decades or so ago. It’s not so socially acceptable, is it?

ddrintn on May 4, 2009 at 7:53 PM

Well, there is that female Bishop who is taking over at the Harvard Divinity School who preaches that abortion is a gift from God. Her name escapres me at the moment, but there is a leftist kook fringe who view abortion as though it were part of their Holy Trinity.

ddrintn on May 4, 2009 at 7:50 PM

I agree. The abortion issue is a grassroots movement that begins at home with your children. It is truly changing the landscape of how our young adults are beginning to form their worldviews. Its working. Its also no small achievement to have liaisons working with families when a teenage girl does turn up pregnant to give her and her family the extended support they need. Quite a bit of this support is done through volunteer and religious organizations.

Or.. have delved into.. umm, him.

/wretching

So you see…..until you can get that 2/3s to want to OVERTURN Roe v Wade, you guyz are screwed.
;)

strangelet on May 4, 2009 at 6:21 PM

Who says we need to overturn Roe v Wade? We can take a page from the lefty book and keep harping on the idea that abortion is a bad, bad thing…so bad that most women won’t consider it. That seems to be working, at least in part.

The thing is, liberals HATE democracy in practice. They love tyranny of the few…particularly in robes!

Mommypundit on May 4, 2009 at 7:38 PM

Liberals hate democracy in practice because it does not flow their way. Just like they are the tolerant party as long as you agree with them! Example, I find the gay activists behaviour in California despicable. There is no way the gays would have tolerated it if Prop 8 had gone their way and the heterosexuals started demonstrating to have it overturned. I hope California does not let them get away with it – that will truly be outrageous.

Gay people will always be around, like they have for thousands of years.
dcwvu on May 4, 2009 at 7:18 PM

But they are still only 2-3% – a statistic with no merit or credibility, simply an unnatural anomaly. Why are we allowing ourselves to be held hostage? Because they “own” the Hollywood?

I think we need to look more closely at why the push to remake our country for the benefit of 3% of the population. And why does their lobby have so much power and influence. They’ve corrupted the judicial system to attain what they call a civil right – when the public votes, they vote No.

It’s ridiculous. And I see no harm in continuing to keep the anti-gay marriage position part of the GOP platform. There are gays in the GOP who are anti-gay marriage, for Pete’s sake. They don’t want legal recognition of their union, they want to anger people. It’s an issue designed to divide the public so they can get their hands on more power. How many Dems/Liberals know Obama’s true position on gay marriage? His position is the same as mine – civil unions, not marriage.

yup. ever since i was attacked and called a full on racist and other unmentionable things on other blogs and in real life for supporting Hillary over Obama last year, a lot of things have changed. i used to go along with the liberal flow all of my life. i’ve had anger over the war myself, but at some point, there is nothing left and you have to look at the big picture. don’t waste your tears on ignorant morons. they are not worth it.