Get off the prayer, abortion, gay rights, porkupines, and get on solid ground.

We need to stay focused on helping all Americans get into the game, like Jack Kemp always pushed for. We should also illuminate the cruelity of the welfare state and the mindless zombies it creates.

A new focus on New Business to replace welfare could be a hot ticket.

saiga on May 4, 2009 at 11:53 AM

Like your focus on fiscal Conservatism, but we need to stick with Social Conservatism, too.
IOW, we need to stay pro-Life, pro-prayer and pro-Traditional Marriage.
Add our demand for a strong national defense, military and foreign policy and you have the complete 3-legged stool of Conservatism.

So, my question is this. How do we start an actual conservative party that can win elections?

HiredGun on May 4, 2009 at 4:16 PM

We already have a Conservative party that’s won elections, hence the reference of the thread to Ronaldus Magnus.
If we stick to staunch Conservative Republicans like Sarah Palin and Bobby Jindal, we’ll be fine.
After the debacle of 4 years of Comrade Urkel’s “leadership,” our candidates won’t have to do much to win over him and Democrats in Congress in a landslide!

Do you post your concerns about white American culture? It does seem to have lurched quite far to the Left.

I suggest you consult your conscience about your own attitudes about groups of people, then do some weeding.Loxodonta on May 4, 2009 at 12:43 PM

Wow.
You certainly have combed over my posts with a fine-toothed comb there!
(Latin culture tends to skew to the Left: think Cuba, Venezuela, Brazil, Noriega, Castro and Chavez…)

Jeb Bush has some odd ideas, even for a Republican and a member of the Bush family.
My conscience is fine–Gov. Bush, as pointed out above regarding his opinions about amnesty, is influenced by his wife and whatever influence her (illegal?) Latina background brings to the conversation.
Jeb majored in Hispanic studies at UT and met her in Mexico doing charity work.

As for white American culture, it only seems to have skewed Left in the media–they have the megaphone.
60% of the American electorate self-identify as conservative year after year.

Jenfidel on May 4, 2009

Liberals cry racism far too much, and conservatives rightly mock them for it. But there is racism and other forms of bigotry that do cause damage to people.

So, I don’t understand what led you to post this:

He got some strange ideas being married to a Hispanic woman…

Jenfidel on May 4, 2009 at 6:13 AM

And when called on it and told to stop, I don’t understand what led you to post this:

Sorry, you’re probably right, but he’s gotten some bizzare ideas from somewhere…

Jenfidel on May 4, 2009 at 7:32 AM

It’s only probably right to stop focusing on the ethnic background of a person, instead of their actual words and deeds? It’s only probably right to stop attributing beliefs to a whole ethnic group?

Then this post:

I said “sorry.”
Who are you to say it’s half-way?
And I’ll get over it when you get over it.

Jenfidel on May 4, 2009 at 7:42 AM

What are you really sorry for your previous post, or only probably sorry?

Now that I’ve re-read it, I agree and take your point. (For whatever it’s worth-which isn’t much,I’ll grant you, my mention of Columba was an allusion to her Hispanic cultural influence, not her race.)

Jenfidel on May 4, 2009 at 8:11 AM

So, now you finally agree to the point, But then you go on to rationalize your statement by saying it’s not a reference to her race, but Hispanic culture. And the difference here is what?

I wasn’t referring to the color of Columba’s skin–it was the possible influence of her Hispanic culture, which often tends Left.

Jenfidel on May 4, 2009 at 8:18 AM

Do you post your concerns about white American culture? It does seem to have lurched quite far to the Left.

I suggest you consult your conscience about your own attitudes about groups of people, then do some weeding.

I also suggest you focus on people’s actual words and deeds, rather than their racial, ethnic or cultural origins. Then, you might not make posts that lend credence to the Left’s theme that conservatives are racist. I think you can make a much more effective presentation of your political views in such a way.

Other than this, I enjoy reading your political views.

He got some strange ideas being married to a Hispanic woman
Jenfidel on May 4, 2009 at 6:13 AM

Can it! That REALLY stinks.

maverick muse on May 4, 2009 at 7:29 AM

Jeb Bush tied his marriage to a Hispanic woman in his statement that it was hurtful to speak against ‘immigrants’, which is what he calls illegal aliens, because his wife was in the same ethnic group

Jeb Bush has a lot of really bad ideas but going against those who criticize an alien invasion and massive lawbreaking, because the lawbreakers happen to be in the same ethnic group as his wife really stunk

At the point a politician wants special handling for those of his wife’s nationality, is where he deserves no quarter from the chumps being used by his ilk

We need to be the party of fiscal consevatism and National defence. The explosion of non-whites in the USA will happen, and being the party of Southerm white gentlemen is a tricky sell. But, being financially responsible and erring on the side of caution on defence is what is not only right, but best.

Get off the prayer, abortion, gay rights, porkupines, and get on solid ground. The public is increasing wanting to have a dependable daddy, and we should be that hard nosed diciplinarian with a steady hand on the wheel.

Non-whites want responsible daddys too, and also want to have a chance to start businesses. We need to stay focused on helping all Americans get into the game, like Jack Kemp always pushed for. We should also illuminate the cruelity of the welfare state and the mindless zombies it creates.

A new focus on New Business to replace welfare could be a hot ticket.

Here’s why I prefer Jindal as POTUS over Sarah Palin. Being governor of a large territory/small electorate state, Palin wouldn’t bring along a lot of people with her, vote-wise. In contrast, Jindal would bring along much of the Gulf states voters – Louisiana, Texas, Mississippi, Alabama and Florida (okay, probably not SE Fla – which is infested with North Joizy/New Yawk liberal carpetbaggers). But once again, the kicker is that Jindal’s immigrant roots would totally deflect the lame-ass pro-illegal immigrant arguments that the liberals love to put forward.

CatchAll on May 4, 2009 at 10:25 AM

I’m sticking with Gov. Palin, thanks, whom I regard as Reagan in a skirt.

Jindal’s a good guy and I’d like to see him run as Sarah’s VP.

When will the Republican leadership get thru its thick skull the fact that the reason we lost in 2006 and 2008 is because we strayed from our conservative roots from 2000 onwards and became much like Democrats – big spending, earmarks, soft on illegal immigration, pork, more “entitlement” programs. I really HATE that word “entitlement”. The only thing the Constitution says we are entitled to is life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

It is because of Jeb Bush, McCain, other Republican moderates and all the soft-on-illegals Democrats that states with heavy illegal immigrant infestation see lower average wages across the board. As much as 25% lower than states with low illegal immigrant infestation.

Here’s an example – say you have ABC Trim Installers (doors, crown molding, etc) who is willing to install on a new construction site for $0.50 a square foot under a/c. But XYZ Installer comes along who hires only illegals – he’s willing to install at $0.40 a square foot. XYZ has no overhead – he doesn’t have to pay benefits, no costs involved with managing the payroll for things like FICA, etc. But what XYZ is doing is illegal – he is hiring undocumented illegal aliens, a violation of federal law. Meanwhile ABC is doing everything legal – he’s incurring costs associated with managing a LEGAL workforce – payroll deductions, drug testing, deductions for child support, health benefits, and so on.

The owner of ABC isn’t going to live more frugally than the scumbag owner of XYZ, nor should he have to. He’s entitled to a fair profit. So where does that dime of difference come out of so he can be competitive? He pays his salesman and his employees less money than they really should get for the work that they do. If everyone’s salary is dragged down it has a snowballing effect where fewer goods & services are bought in the local economy. So everyone else’s salary is dragged down too. Hiring illegal aliens has a pernicious effect that is ripping out the guts of our country from within. And to all you bleeding-heart liberal trolls that are tolerated here on HA, PLEASE don’t hand me the BS that illegal immigrants are doing the work that no one else will do. That is a complete & utter liberal LIE and you damn well know it.

The only thing the Republican leadership needs to do is keep to our conservative Reaganesque roots and revamp & repackage it so that even the dumbasses who get their news watching Jon Stewart will be able to wrap their minds around the concept of minimal government intrusion into our lives, minimal taxes, strong foreign policy, deport every last one of the damned illegal immigrants.

That’s why I’m hoping that Bobby Jindal will run for Prez in 2012. His parents are LEGAL immigrants and he understands & embraces the conservative ideology, Plus, his immigrant roots give him the “street cred” to shut up the knee-jerk liberals, La Raza & the ACORN crowd.

So let’s ditch the old white guys (which I am) and put some of these fantastic women up front. There have also been several African American’s prominent in the Tea Party movement. Put them up front too. And people in there 20′s and 30′s that live and breath Conservatism. In other words, let’s get people out there that the American people can identify with. In the last election we saw Joe the Plumber and Tito the Builder have a big impact on the election (but nothing was going to drag McCain to a win).

Let’s get the next generation of Conservative leaders out there speaking for Conservative principles and put the old Republican politicians out to pasture.

I’m a little fuzzy on this one, don’t moderates also favor letting the tiny survivors of abortion just die from neglect, or are those just liberals?

The effect might be benign, or it might be imperceptible, or it might be catastrophic. I have no idea. Compared to the impact of CO2, this should be relatively simple to figure out though.

maverick muse

I’m enjoying your interchange with Jenfidel. It is enlightening. You two are not that far apart on key issues. I have heard rumblings of who is the power behind Ogabe’s throne, but I don’t know for sure. Perhaps that’s one of his objectives…that we never know for sure.

maverick muse on May 4, 2009 at 9:05 AM

The Bush men may all be moderately conservative Republicans, but do I think they walk in lockstep ideologically? No.
Look at Iraq: President Bush 41 was perfectly happy to work with the U.N. and have the U.S. lead an international coalition to re-take Kuwait, but he wouldn’t let Schwartzkopf take Baghdad and throw Hussein out of power.
Nor would he support the Shi’ites or Kurds when they tried to stage an uprising (except with the no-fly zones).
He would not really act as Commander-of-Chief representing American military and defense issues alone.

His son, President Bush 43, was overly deferential to the U.N., but when it became clear that he wasn’t going to get U.N. approval to use military force to eliminate Saddam as the real problem, he led his “coalition of the willing” to do what his father should have done 12 years before.
In regards to Afghanistan, Bush 43 got NATO approval to use joint forces, but most of the other countries won’t provide anything but peacekeepers or non-combatant “soldiers.”
This didn’t stop Bush from launching our own military effort there, either, to throw out the Taliban and Al Queda.
Bush 43 wasn’t nearly the internationalist his father was–thank God!
Who knows about Jeb? He was immensely popular as Florida governor, but that being said, I doubt he’s meant for higher office, even though the family always thought he’d be the President and not George W.

You are making your point upon your own point upon your own point AS IF there’s a point we’re somehow missing from your own context.

I spoke of our POTUS Bushes as they were the ones elected nationally, hence THEIR fraternity as the example. /And don’t think for a minute that Jeb actually disagrees with Daddy on ideology.

So it is. And you found my point on your own. Brava.

btw, I spoke of our POTUS Bushes as they were the ones elected nationally, hence THEIR fraternity as the example. /And don’t think for a minute that Jeb actually disagrees with Daddy on ideology.

Yes, but that was not nearly the reason (singular vs. plural) Obama actually got the nomination and the election. Do not neglect to recognize the powers who CHOSE Obama for America before anyone knew his name.

maverick muse on May 4, 2009 at 9:00 AM

All Leftist élites, but I don’t think George Soros went to Yale, much less was in Skull and Bones.

My question would seem to imply that under the leadership of Bush, the US accumulated more debt than it had in the past. So our debt actually went down after Clinton? Even if Bush had “managed” to keep our debt the same as under Clinton, I wouldn’t be very proud of that accomplishment. Here’s a question. Did the size of government get larger under Bush’s oversight?

Upstater85 on May 4, 2009 at 8:42 AM

Why this accountant’s dissection of past presidencies when Ogabe is presenting us with the largest increases of federal debt, deficits and spending of any President in our nation’s history?

And all for stuff we don’t want, need or can afford?

More debt than under who or what?
It’s certainly not more debt than what we’re amassing under NObama!
And Reagan racked up quite a bit of debt to fight the evil empire.
Bush was fighting a war, too, remember?
And those cost money.

Jenfidel on May 4, 2009 at 8:32 AM

Plus the majority of debt under Bush came in that last year.

Barry Hussein Ogabe was elected because he was the black guy who was “cool” and who offered amorphous “hope and change.”

Jenfidel on May 4, 2009 at 8:54 AM

Yes, but that was not nearly the reason (singular vs. plural) Obama actually got the nomination and the election. Do not neglect to recognize the powers who CHOSE Obama for America before anyone knew his name.

Fraternal orders are not merely for drinking buddies. Who belongs, and who doesn’t ultimately, is the point. There is no “conspiracy” I imply beyond perpetuating the social castes that enables the disregard for those who do not matter according to their fraternal rules of consequence.

maverick muse on May 4, 2009 at 8:54 AM

This can be said of the whole Ivy League establishment and not just Yale and Skull and Bones.
President Bush showed us that he could overcome his “elitist” background.
Ironically, the real Ivy League elitist now is NObama who is forgiven all because he was head of Harvard Law Review.

The way the GOP is heading is populist: think Gov. Palin, Joe the Plumber and the Tea Parties.
The government needs to be taken back from the elitists by we, the people again.