Quotes of the day

posted at 9:50 pm on May 3, 2009 by Allahpundit

“‘So our ideas need to be forward looking and relevant. I felt like there was a lot of nostalgia and the good old days in the [Republican] messaging. I mean, it’s great, but it doesn’t draw people toward your cause,’ Mr. Bush said.

‘From the conservative side, it’s time for us to listen first, to learn a little bit, to upgrade our message a little bit, to not be nostalgic about the past because, you know, things do ebb and flow.’”

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“‘All you moderates out there, y’all come. I mean, that’s the message,’ Steele said at a news conference. ‘The message of this party is this is a big table for everyone to have a seat. I have a place setting with your name on the front.

‘Understand that when you come into someone’s house, you’re not looking to change it. You come in because that’s the place you want to be.’”

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You really should stop being lazy and find new quotes. :) What are we supposed to do now?

- Well, as I was saying in two separate threads devoted to each quote…

radiofreevillage on May 3, 2009 at 9:53 PM

Timeless principles are always “relevant.”

Wethal on May 3, 2009 at 9:53 PM

Correct me if I’m wrong, but the Bush family is (hopefully) in the past as well…how about setting the example and disappearing. The entire family literally owes it’s existence in first-rank politics to Ronald Reagan…thanks for the fish.

Give it up Jeb.

AUINSC on May 3, 2009 at 9:54 PM

From Reihl:

GOP Listening Tour: Just Say No!

I don’t want to be too hard on these guys. My belief is that they are well-meaning, along with wanting to keep their names in the mix. But Jeb Bush has another new Federal Education Plan and Romney wants to talk Health Care reform? Who would have guessed. They’ve both been doing the same thing for years. This is a PR stunt and one that’s doomed to fail if it’s going to produce Democrat-lite.

INC on May 3, 2009 at 9:56 PM

Both excellent quotes.

But as usual, judging by so many of the comments just here at HA, far too many conservatives just don’t get it. They’re stuck in the mud spinning tires, looking out the back window, with the windows rolled up. And happy to be there doing it.

The GOP tent is gonna get bigger…and the “Welcome” mat is at the door.

Anyone doesn’t like it? Wish you would stay and talk, but the door’s not locked either…

JetBoy on May 3, 2009 at 9:58 PM

The relevance of the past, for example , the founding fathers, is because, well, they are right, as Reagan was right. You were told to not touch a stove because it would burn. back then, stoves were always hot… sooo.. because the stove today is cool because you control the flame, is the original premise wrong?….. NO!

MNDavenotPC on May 3, 2009 at 9:58 PM

AUINSC on May 3, 2009 at 9:54 PM

I’ve wondered if there’s a little payback here that Reagan beat out GHWB for the nomination in 1980.

INC on May 3, 2009 at 9:59 PM

Anyone But Bush

WisCon on May 3, 2009 at 9:59 PM

‘Understand that when you come into someone’s house, you’re not looking to change it. You come in because that’s the place you want to be.’”

Which incidentally happens to be the total antithesis of Obama’s attitude toward the White House and America, it’s Constitution, rule of law and way of life.

MB4 on May 3, 2009 at 9:59 PM

“Party leaders go on ‘listening tour’ with eyes on future..”

Apparently, none of these “leaders” were listening to the messages at the “Taxed Enough Allready” rallies…..

…… just the talking points from the MSM.

Seven Percent Solution on May 3, 2009 at 10:00 PM

JetBoy on May 3, 2009 at 9:58 PM

did you lick meghan mccain’s ass just before you wrote that?

Ghoul aid on May 3, 2009 at 10:01 PM

Anyone doesn’t like it? Wish you would stay and talk, but the door’s not locked either…

JetBoy on May 3, 2009 at 9:58 PM

Arlen showed us that…

Upstater85 on May 3, 2009 at 10:01 PM

While we’re moving zooming Left,
Panama just elected a conservative prime minister.
Just like Canada & some European nations that are moving to the Right.

jgapinoy on May 3, 2009 at 10:02 PM

Yeah, that Reagan guy. So out of date. We need to look forward to contemporary debates about such current issues as socialized health care, which is something to which Reagan cannot contribute.

Weight of Glory on May 3, 2009 at 10:02 PM

Anyone But Bush

WisCon on May 3, 2009 at 9:59 PM

really….”anyone”……really…..

alexraye on May 3, 2009 at 10:02 PM

Jeb Bush needs to put a sock in it. I’ll stick with the nostalgia of the Constitution. Otherwise, I’d rather have the states split up and go their own ways.

The US is a union of sovereign states, not a super-state with a bunch of fully subservient local districts.

progressoverpeace on May 3, 2009 at 10:03 PM

Jack Kemp reached out everywhere and to everyone with the message of why the Republican principles of limited government, lower taxes and defense of liberty was in everyones interest not just a chosen few. Reaching out is just what Steele said. If you explain yourself well, explaining why our values work and extend a hand and a how to message, you can reach a majority in this still center right country. It is the Democrats who have to hide what they really are to get a majority.

KW64 on May 3, 2009 at 10:03 PM

radiofreevillage on May 3, 2009 at 9:53 PM

Headlines is intended for us to see what other sites are saying.
The QOTD is usually imported from Headlines.

jgapinoy on May 3, 2009 at 10:04 PM

I’ve wondered if there’s a little payback here that Reagan beat out GHWB for the nomination in 1980.

INC on May 3, 2009 at 9:59 PM

Good point and it may be true…but Reagan supported GHWB for the 1988 election as the heir to the Reagan revolution…GHWB promptly betrayed that with the tax increase deal and lost. If they still do resent the 1980 loss of the nomination, then they are even more petty than this article by Jeb indicates. Either way, good bye to them.

AUINSC on May 3, 2009 at 10:05 PM

some European nations that are moving to the Right.

jgapinoy on May 3, 2009 at 10:02 PM

Don’t be fooled by those Frenchies and Sark. Sark’s wife is way too beautiful for Sark to on the French right… /SARC

Upstater85 on May 3, 2009 at 10:06 PM

The GOP tent is gonna get bigger…and the “Welcome” mat is at the door.

JetBoy on May 3, 2009 at 9:58 PM

Welcome mat to what? To a party with no principles that is just looking to gain political power?

Sounds great. I hope that fat moron Meghan McCain feels welcome, because what party could exist without her towering intellect to blaze a trail.

The GOP can get rid of conservatives, but you’ll find that people will follow the conservatives (because they have principles – those on which this nation was founded and sustained) not the GOP, even if the GOP is giving out free candy canes to all.

progressoverpeace on May 3, 2009 at 10:07 PM

Jeb Bush needs to put a sock in it. I’ll stick with the nostalgia of the Constitution. Otherwise, I’d rather have the states split up and go their own ways.

The US is a union of sovereign states, not a super-state with a bunch of fully subservient local districts.

progressoverpeace on May 3, 2009 at 10:03 PM

My hero!

Upstater85 on May 3, 2009 at 10:07 PM

Ghoul aid on May 3, 2009 at 10:01 PM

*rolls eyes*

Kinda the erudite response I’d expect…

Arlen showed us that…

Upstater85 on May 3, 2009 at 10:01 PM

He walked. The GOP is going to have to get more socially moderate (not on abortion, tho) and walk the walk on fiscal restraint.

But, as has been said, the tent is open, and there’s plenty of room. No “purging RINOS” either.

JetBoy on May 3, 2009 at 10:08 PM

These folks aren’t interested in smaller government and more freedom, they are interested in being in charge of whatever big government there is. I want to hear from someone interested in the Constitution.

Cindy Munford on May 3, 2009 at 10:09 PM

Riehl linked to a Politico piece with this at the end:

And Cantor said the party should be inclusive in recruiting candidates, when asked if he would be open to supporting pro-choice candidates or those supporting gun control.

“We are – and should be – an inclusive party,” he said.

These guys are doomed. They need to just hang it up now.

INC on May 3, 2009 at 10:09 PM

But, as has been said, the tent is open, and there’s plenty of room. No “purging RINOS” either.

JetBoy on May 3, 2009 at 10:08 PM

There hasn’t been any purging of RINOs ever! And, you are right, Arlen walked away from his party… He didn’t get the boot from any chair or Conservative Think Tank.

Upstater85 on May 3, 2009 at 10:10 PM

I want to hear from someone interested in the Constitution.

Cindy Munford on May 3, 2009 at 10:09 PM

Beautiful, just beautiful!

Upstater85 on May 3, 2009 at 10:10 PM

Cindy Munford on May 3, 2009 at 10:09 PM

You have nailed it!

INC on May 3, 2009 at 10:10 PM

Sounds great. I hope that fat moron Meghan McCain feels welcome, because what party could exist without her towering intellect to blaze a trail.

You’re a grown-up…if you want to listen to what she has to say, do. If not, don’t. But cut the fat jokes….doesn’t do much to show how smart you are.

JetBoy on May 3, 2009 at 10:10 PM

Aw, just seeing Reagan’s face gave me a big smile. Thanks!

I already responded to the “quote” in the headlines section.

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on May 3, 2009 at 10:11 PM

By the way……..

…….. always nice to see a picture of President Reagan.

Compared to what is currently in the White House…..

…… night and day.

Seven Percent Solution on May 3, 2009 at 10:12 PM

JetBoy on May 3, 2009 at 10:08 PM

Okay, I’ll bite. What “social” issues require “moderation”?

Weight of Glory on May 3, 2009 at 10:12 PM

Another quote, O Creator of Worlds.

One basic difference between democracies and dictatorships is that free countries confront such abuses openly and directly. In January, shortly after reports of abuse became known to our military, an investigation was launched. Today, several formal investigations led by senior military officials are under way.

Secretary Rumsfeld has appointed several former senior officials to review the investigations of these abuses. Some soldiers have already been charged and those involved will answer for their conduct in an orderly and transparent process. We will honor rule of law. All prison operations in Iraq will be thoroughly reviewed to make certain that such offenses are not repeated.

Those responsible for these abuses have caused harm that goes well beyond the walls of a prison. It has given some an excuse to question our cause and to cast doubt on our motives. Yet who can doubt that Iraq is better for being free from one of the most bloodiest tyrants the world has ever known? Millions of Iraqis are grateful for the chance they have been given to live in freedom, a chance made possible by the courage and sacrifice of the United States military.
I know how painful it is to see a small number dishonor the honorable cause in which so many are sacrificing. What took place in the Iraqi prison does not reflect the character of the more than 200,000 military personnel who have served in Iraq since the beginning of Operation Iraqi Freedom.

strangelet on May 3, 2009 at 10:12 PM

JetBoy on May 3, 2009 at 10:10 PM

i agree. wasn’t his comment all…..erudite or something?

Ghoul aid on May 3, 2009 at 10:12 PM

The GOP is going to have to get more socially moderate (not on abortion, tho)
JetBoy on May 3, 2009 at 10:08 PM

But there are going to be fiscal conservatives who think you have no right to deny abortions and accuse you of being a hypocrite. So again the tactic of dividing us on differences will work. As it always does. And more people will say rude things.

Cindy Munford on May 3, 2009 at 10:13 PM

True conservatism hasn’t been tried since Ronald Reagan. What is wrong with these people? Moderate Republicans are LOSERS with a proven LOSER record ala John McCain and all those other moderates that were lost in 2008! Then their are the Democrats that won in 2008 and in 2006 RUNNING AS CONSERVATIVES ala JIM WEBB (Virginia – D). COME ON!!! WAKE UP!!! Motivate the base and more people by ARTICULATING AND EXPLAINING CONSERVATISM PROPERLY. ENOUGH ALREADY!

lanesmerge on May 3, 2009 at 10:13 PM

As I’ve been saying:

Reagan in death offers more leadership than the GOP.

blatantblue on May 3, 2009 at 10:14 PM

RINO’s are a giant leap backwards!

JellyToast on May 3, 2009 at 10:14 PM

I call horse-hockey. Anyone who doesn’t think the GOP should model itself after Reagan conservatism is just a RINO anyway.

long_cat on May 3, 2009 at 10:15 PM

Yeah, that Reagan guy. So out of date. We need to look forward to contemporary debates about such current issues as socialized health care, which is something to which Reagan cannot contribute.

Weight of Glory on May 3, 2009 at 10:02 PM

Thanks for the fascinating link.
Here’s another look at health care.

jgapinoy on May 3, 2009 at 10:15 PM

Another quote, O Creator of Worlds.

strangelet on May 3, 2009 at 10:12 PM

You are truly the Joe Biden of the comment threads here at HA…I vote we keep around around so we can mock your insane rants.

AUINSC on May 3, 2009 at 10:16 PM

By the way……..

…….. always nice to see a picture of President Reagan.

Compared to what is currently in the White House…..

…… night and day.

Seven Percent Solution on May 3, 2009 at 10:12 PM

You mean the Dictator in Chief? I still smell the sulfur that his wife is leaving behind. Yeah, I’ll take half of Reagan any day to our current skid mark Precedent.

Upstater85 on May 3, 2009 at 10:16 PM

You are truly the Joe Biden of the comment threads here at HA…I vote we keep around around so we can mock your insane rants.

AUINSC on May 3, 2009 at 10:16 PM

I preferred getalife. She was more funny.

Upstater85 on May 3, 2009 at 10:16 PM

Jack Kemp reached out everywhere and to everyone with the message of why the Republican principles of limited government, lower taxes and defense of liberty was in everyones interest not just a chosen few. Reaching out is just what Steele said. If you explain yourself well, explaining why our values work and extend a hand and a how to message, you can reach a majority in this still center right country. It is the Democrats who have to hide what they really are to get a majority.

KW64 on May 3, 2009 at 10:03 PM

So, so true. I had to repeat it.

4shoes on May 3, 2009 at 10:16 PM

If and when we produce leaders who, like Reagan, are capable of enunciating their beliefs based on deeply held and thought-through convictions, then the nostalgia will disappear. As long as the best our national Republicans can come up with is a willingness to listen, they’ll have to forgive us if some of us resort to short simple phrases (e.g., “stand for *&(*&^%$ something” and “be more like Reagan”) that even moronic politicians should be able to understand, but apparently don’t.

CK MacLeod on May 3, 2009 at 10:17 PM

I sent Mr. Steele the following email. I hope he reads it:

Mr. Chairman –

I would like to give you my two cents’ worth on opening the doors to the GOP’s big tent. We need to promote the party by its foundation: values. Not just family values, but core American values. I believe Glenn Beck really nailed this on the head. Neither party addresses core American values anymore. We have values that are building blocks to our principles. When we apply these principles to the issues of the day, we develop our policies.

It seems the Republican party has taken the foundation away from the policies. This is something we cannot do, just as with a building, removing the foundation causes the building to collapse. We have seen the Left (now dominating the Democrat party) try remove the foundational values of Judeo-Christian philosophy (not the religious tenets) from our laws, which they believe enable the laws to be easily re-written to suit changing times. What it really does is erode society, as we have witnessed, and for the same reasons our beloved party is crumbling.

You should be sending a clear message to all of America what the Republican party’s values are. This is how you build the party. The policies can wait until the party is re-built…namely at the political conventions.

I hope you will see my point. Please feel free to contact me anytime, as I would like to see a new, value-based Republican party rise up to undo the damage currently being inflicted on our great nation.

stonemeister on May 3, 2009 at 10:17 PM

Okay, I’ll bite. What “social” issues require “moderation”?

Weight of Glory on May 3, 2009 at 10:12 PM

You know what I mean…

JetBoy on May 3, 2009 at 10:17 PM

You know what I mean…

JetBoy on May 3, 2009 at 10:17 PM

Actually, now I’m not sure. Which ones?

Upstater85 on May 3, 2009 at 10:17 PM

You know, it’s bad enough to hear this ‘advice’ coming from the Democrats – to tune in and hear Republicans agreeing is absolutely infuriating.

This twits just don’t get it. Didn’t the Republicans just *try* this? How’d that work out, Jeb? In addition to a moderate Republican (aka Democrat Lite) failing to win the presidency your brother tried the moderate Republican squishy approach on a great number of things for the last several years. Check the vote results for 2006 and 2008 – how’d *that* work out, eh Jeb?

The only thing I can say positive about this is that he’s shown himself early to be an unacceptable future candidate; we can rule him out immediately.

Midas on May 3, 2009 at 10:18 PM

You know what I mean…

JetBoy on May 3, 2009 at 10:17 PM

anal love?

Ghoul aid on May 3, 2009 at 10:18 PM

We should really just talk about how great I am.

That’d be so much better.

blatantblue on May 3, 2009 at 10:19 PM

You know what I mean…

JetBoy on May 3, 2009 at 10:17 PM

Other than gay rights and atheism, what other ‘moderate’ positions do you think the ‘extremists’ here on HA should glom on to to attract more voters?

AUINSC on May 3, 2009 at 10:19 PM

The Republicans have been very moderate and we have been losing ground ever since. Jeb is OK for a place like Florida but he is the last guy that should be setting the tone for a national Republican agenda. The base feels betrayed and middle of the roaders don’t inspire anyone. We have the opportunity to offer the country a clear choice between reckless tax and spend, lets do that and quit wringing our hands.

As a side note, where are the big “moderate” leaders? Who is following them? Where are THEIR web sites? Who are the big moderate media personalities? Is there a moderate Rush Limbaugh I never heard of? Are their hugely successful moderate authors out there? What politicians have huge moderate support? Anyone?

The libs love moderate Republicans because they can use them to get what THEY want and concede nothing in return. They also know they are easy to beat on election day. The path of Allahpundit is not the way to victory.

echosyst on May 3, 2009 at 10:19 PM

jgapinoy on May 3, 2009 at 10:15 PM

No problem. What I can’t stand is when either Regan’s name is invoked by a politician as some sort of conservative insignia, or when some “moderate” republican (and I’m not referring to Jeb Bush) says we need to forget about Reagan and “move forward“. Both examples miss the point. Which is why I entertain neither.

Weight of Glory on May 3, 2009 at 10:20 PM

You’re a grown-up…if you want to listen to what she has to say, do. If not, don’t.

I don’t listen to her. But the point is that I could never take anyone, or any group, seriously that allows someone as dumb as her to have input to the public debate.

But cut the fat jokes….doesn’t do much to show how smart you are.

JetBoy on May 3, 2009 at 10:10 PM

It wasn’t a fat joke. I mentioned that she was fat. She is. It’s a fact. Why did you think it was a joke?

And any party that could take someone like Meghan McCain seriously couldn’t discern between intellect and derelict, anyway.

progressoverpeace on May 3, 2009 at 10:20 PM

Look, I have a big signed photo of Ronald Reagan in my den…courtesy of my grandfather (rest his soul). I absolutely idolize Ronald Reagan. I can’t help but shed a tear when I hear the man speak of America and our greatness.

That greatness wasn’t created by Reagan, nor did he take that greatness with him to his grave. It’s here now…hard as that may be to believe given the crapola in Washington today.

That greatness is like a candle…the one which can shine brightly in that city upon the hill. It may be flickering low right now, but it’s still a candle…and with the right care, can shine as bright as it ever could.

That candle ain’t out yet.

JetBoy on May 3, 2009 at 10:21 PM

No problem. What I can’t stand is when either Regan’s name is invoked by a politician as some sort of conservative insignia, or when some “moderate” republican (and I’m not referring to Jeb Bush) says we need to forget about Reagan and “move forward“. Both examples miss the point. Which is why I entertain neither.

Weight of Glory on May 3, 2009 at 10:20 PM

At least McCain didn’t do that /s

Upstater85 on May 3, 2009 at 10:21 PM

True conservatism hasn’t been tried since Ronald Reagan. What is wrong with these people?

Not at a presidential level anyway. There are a lot of great conservatives in the Congress, state legislatures, & some governor’s mansions around the country.

jgapinoy on May 3, 2009 at 10:22 PM

strangelet on May 3, 2009 at 10:12 PM

And you’re relevant because?

jdkchem on May 3, 2009 at 10:23 PM

Ghoul aid on May 3, 2009 at 10:18 PM

You have anything past the 3rd grade level to contribute?

JetBoy on May 3, 2009 at 10:23 PM

That’s why every president since reagan invokes reagan – even obama does. The party needs to back to reagan, not move on.

lorien1973 on May 3, 2009 at 10:24 PM

We should really just talk about how great I am.

That’d be so much better.

blatantblue on May 3, 2009 at 10:19 PM

I have a couple seconds…oh, wait. Used ‘em up typing this…

;-)

JetBoy on May 3, 2009 at 10:25 PM

Listening Tour?

How is that going to help when the organizers and participants are deaf. Doing phony town halls to avoid what has been ringing in their ears—fiscal restraint and small government bias–in action not in words.

Starting in 1994 a majority of the American people gave the Repubs the foundation to achieve these two most important goals. What happened within 10 years? They pissed it away.
Now they are a shell of themselves and the world has passed them by, rightfully so for blowing a historic opportunity to remake government.

Instead Obama and crew will be changing the country in ways that will not be reversible much as FDR’s sins still remain.

As for a Repub comeback? Not a chance. Independents want nothing to do with them. They will gain only if Obama screws up more than the Repubs lack of credibility.

Currently there are no national repub leaders who have a believable fiscal and small government message that resonates. I’m sure there are some but as long as the dinosaurs on this listening tour are on the stage they will be not heard.

Listening tour? How pathetic. It sounds like Hillary. Yikes.

patrick neid on May 3, 2009 at 10:27 PM

The GOP is going to have to get more socially moderate (not on abortion, tho)

JetBoy on May 3, 2009 at 10:08 PM

Which leaves what? And wouldn’t a conservative say that those issues are the domain of the state government and not the federal government?

jdkchem on May 3, 2009 at 10:27 PM

JetBoy on May 3, 2009 at 10:21 PM

Word, B.

I look to Reagan because he offered leadership. He offered strength, and he has been the only GOP’er in the last 30 years to properly articulate individual liberty, responsibility, limited government, and the greatness of America. He was a fantastic, strong, unapologetic leader.

What gruel and slim pickings have we had since then?

Too much, and I can no longer stomach it.

Sure — we must look forward, but our principles are inherently forward looking:

1) preparing for threats abroad and staying on top of the global military and strategic situations.
2) always staying afoot of government expansion.
3) fighting for lower taxes and less government for our childrens’ future.

We are indeed forward looking. We want to project strength into the 21st century, but we know we should look to the past. Reagans legacy should be an advisory for us.

An advisory on evil (evil never changes, it only shapeshifts. evil is timeless).

An advisory on government (tyrannies have been doing the same thing for thousands of years).

An advisory on ourselves (human nature never changes); on responsibility.

To hell with Jeb Bush’s garbage. He and his ilk have offered nothing for us!

blatantblue on May 3, 2009 at 10:27 PM

You have anything past the 3rd grade level to contribute?

JetBoy on May 3, 2009 at 10:23 PM

yes, i do. “I DO NOT LIKE THE IDEA OF OPENING THE REPUBLICAN TENT TO MODERATES BECAUSE THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT JOHN McCAIN WAS AND LOOK WHERE THAT GOT US.”

THANK YOU, AND GOODNIGHT!

Ghoul aid on May 3, 2009 at 10:28 PM

Jeb Bush just threw away whatever political future he may have had. Oh, and he threw away his son’s chances, too.

Done with the Bush dynasty.

Punchenko on May 3, 2009 at 10:30 PM

You know what I mean…

JetBoy on May 3, 2009 at 10:17 PM

Heh. I do. But I wanted to make sure there wasn’t several that you’ve considered, gay issues being just one area. Let me ask you, why should the GOP moderate on issues surrounding homosexuality? Because its more mainstream than it once was? Because you believe it makes for a better electoral strategy? Because to do so, aligns with the prevalent societal “progression” which is to be more “inclusive” no matter the prior reasons for exclusion? Or do you think it is the right/moral thing to do? I would assume that the last would be your reasoning, based on your previous posts over several months, but that is going to be a very difficult argument to make; and I think you know why.

Weight of Glory on May 3, 2009 at 10:30 PM

Excuse me???

So….are you just saying toss out the greatest of ideas that inspired President Reagan to make this country great again?

OMG! Our party is in even worst shape than I thought.

Hail to the Chief! (I miss you, Pres. Reagan)

purgatory on May 3, 2009 at 10:31 PM

That candle ain’t out yet.

JetBoy on May 3, 2009 at 10:21 PM

So, whatcha think of Jeb Bush’s article then?

AUINSC on May 3, 2009 at 10:31 PM

That’s why every president since reagan invokes reagan – even obama does. The party needs to back to reagan, not move on.

lorien1973 on May 3, 2009 at 10:24 PM

Unfortunately, there is no “going back”. We’ll never have Reagan again. Oh, a bunch of us saw a glimmer of Reagan in Fred Thompson a while back, but alas…it wasn’t to be.

The GOP can’t “go back” to Reagan. As great a man, and a President he was, we were so damn lucky in America to have him at the helm when we did.

But that was then, this is now, and the future is ours if we, the GOP, play our cards right. We don’t need a Reagan clone…we need a leader with convictions, with love for country, and respect for the US Constitution.

And a belief that “all men are equal”.

We won’t find that man (or woman as the case may be) by infighting. It cost Mav the election, and I’ll be damned if I stand idly by and let it happen again.

JetBoy on May 3, 2009 at 10:31 PM

But there is a second and more important point to be made in response to the argument that conservatives should get beyond Reagan. The main idea that animated Reagan wasn’t anti-communism or supply side economics. Reagan’s main idea was the main idea of the American founding—the idea of individual liberty—and the policies that he supported, both internationally and domestically, grew from that. America was founded on the idea that our individual freedoms derive from God, not from government, and that government should protect those freedoms and never violate them. Reagan argued, and history has shown, that America does best when it is true to its original idea. …To argue that the Reagan era is over is to argue that the era of freedom is over. And to argue that conservatives should abandon Reagan’s principles is to argue that they should stop being conservatives.

There is no such thing, at least in America, as “big-government conservatism.” A government that abides by the Constitution and protects our God-given freedoms is by definition limited. Rather than carving out blocs of voters by surrendering their principles, conservatives need to continue to tell the American people as a whole that the ideas of individual liberty and limited government are right and that the policies that come from those ideas work best to produce prosperity. Conservatives don’t need to reinvent themselves. They need the courage to be once again who they were.

INC on May 3, 2009 at 10:32 PM

If they want to be like Reagan then key on the Constitution and the Founders. Citizens thrive on freedom.

Hey Hawkdriver!! Hope you are getting to read this stuff. You take care.

Cindy Munford on May 3, 2009 at 10:33 PM

The reason that everybody is reminiscing about Reagan is because he was the last decent President we had, as well as the last conservative one.

Unless you want a zombie army of RINO McCains and Specters running for the Presidency, it is imperative that we have a dynamic and verbally adept conservative leader.
Otherwise, we wind up with GHWB or his son – two country clubbers who were both verbally incompetent.

TexasJew on May 3, 2009 at 10:34 PM

We won’t find that man (or woman as the case may be) by infighting. It cost Mav the election, and I’ll be damned if I stand idly by and let it happen again.

JetBoy on May 3, 2009 at 10:31 PM

And then you have to write that. What are you insinuating?

Upstater85 on May 3, 2009 at 10:34 PM

Unless you want a zombie army of RINO McCains and Specters running for the Presidency, it is imperative that we have a dynamic and verbally adept conservative leader.
Otherwise, we wind up with GHWB or his son – two country clubbers who were both verbally incompetent.

TexasJew on May 3, 2009 at 10:34 PM

+10000

Upstater85 on May 3, 2009 at 10:35 PM

Not to social moderates: Abortion and gay marriage are hardly ever in the top ten list of concerns for voters on election day. The economy, national security, taxes, education, and health care are always there. We have great conservative answers on those issues. There is no magic in becoming socially liberal, it won’t make a candidate win and it won’t cause one to lose if he is conservative. McCain’s pro-life stance did not lose him the election and his moderate stances did not allow him to win. He lost the economic argument.

echosyst on May 3, 2009 at 10:35 PM

We won’t find that man (or woman as the case may be) by infighting. It cost Mav the election, and I’ll be damned if I stand idly by and let it happen again.

JetBoy on May 3, 2009 at 10:31 PM

Didn’t you just agree that we need to put Reagan behind us? WTH are you talking about then. Was it the man or his ideas? His ideas are still alive, but this sounds so much like the ‘moderate’ (i.e. liberal Republican) view it’s not funny. What policies are you objecting to, exactly? Where are we ‘out of touch’?

AUINSC on May 3, 2009 at 10:35 PM

GIPPPPERRRRR!!!!!!!!!!

blatantblue on May 3, 2009 at 10:36 PM

I don’t see a lot of listening going on here. I see a bunch of pols trying to talk people out of what they find important because the pols don’t find it important. Normally they would give some lip service but they know nobody believes it now.

Rocks on May 3, 2009 at 10:36 PM

The GOP is going to have to get more socially moderate (not on abortion, tho)

JetBoy on May 3, 2009 at 10:08 PM

What is more important that the separation of powers and checks and balances as laid out in the Constitution?

That is pretty much all that conservativism comes down to, along with the rights of private property (whence flows individual liberty). Social issues are, for the most part, state issues that have no business being dealt with at the federal level.

You have to understand that the left looks at the US as a single super-state, with the federal government being the only “real” government, dictating to everyone else what to do. We conservatives look at the US as a union of states, with the federal government holding only the responsibilities for defense, foreign affairs, and interstate commerce, essentially. Conservatives and liberals are not talking about the same sort of country, at all. Not even close.

That is why we are called Republicans – because we want a federal republic as defined by our Constitution.

They are called Democrats, because they want a single, super-state run as a Democracy, with the people ruling at their whim. Something, by the way, that the Founders abhorred.

progressoverpeace on May 3, 2009 at 10:37 PM

What our current leaders don’t understand, is that everyone other than Conservatives are being asked to join the party…….

………. they forget to easily.

Remember how all the RINO’s and Media were surprised at this:

“Ronald Reagan Funeral: His Final Journey”

…. the numbers of people that turned out to say ‘thank you’ and ‘good-bye’ stunned the ‘political class’.

President Ronald Reagan’s conservative ideology and policies changed the world…..

……. anyone who wants to walk away from that can join the Democratic party.

Seven Percent Solution on May 3, 2009 at 10:37 PM

The message will no longer be relevant when human nature somehow changes. But as we’re seeing, it has not.

Jim Treacher on May 3, 2009 at 10:39 PM

We won’t find that man (or woman as the case may be) by infighting. It cost Mav the election, and I’ll be damned if I stand idly by and let it happen again.
JetBoy on May 3, 2009 at 10:31 PM

Mav lost the election because he sucked, was old and cranky and we lost a chance to run a candidate (Romney) who could at least articulate a conservative thought. It’s no accident that people like Mark Levin, Rush, Laura Ingraham and even Ann Coulter backed Romney. They all knew that McCain was unelectable and a pathetic pandering RINO.
And they were all absolutely correct.
We can go over the September meltdown, but McCain blew it with his whiny old-man drama queen run up to Washington.

TexasJew on May 3, 2009 at 10:39 PM

We can go over the September meltdown, but McCain blew it with his whiny old-man drama queen run up to Washington.

TexasJew on May 3, 2009 at 10:39 PM

Like father like daughter

Upstater85 on May 3, 2009 at 10:40 PM

The message will no longer be relevant when human nature somehow changes. But as we’re seeing, it has not.

Jim Treacher on May 3, 2009 at 10:39 PM

Thank you! Exactly. “There is nothing new under the sun.”

Weight of Glory on May 3, 2009 at 10:40 PM

echosyst on May 3, 2009 at 10:35 PM

Thank you. I’ve been beating that drum as well.

INC on May 3, 2009 at 10:40 PM

Hey Hawkdriver!! Hope you are getting to read this stuff. You take care.

Cindy Munford on May 3, 2009 at 10:33 PM

Yeah, what she said! God watch over
CW5 hawkdriver and bring him and his mates and all of America’s Defenders home safely.
(I was going to ask if we had shouted out yet)

thomasaur on May 3, 2009 at 10:41 PM

Didn’t you just agree that we need to put Reagan behind us? WTH are you talking about then. Was it the man or his ideas? His ideas are still alive, but this sounds so much like the ‘moderate’ (i.e. liberal Republican) view it’s not funny. What policies are you objecting to, exactly? Where are we ‘out of touch’?

AUINSC on May 3, 2009 at 10:35 PM

First, I was talking about McCain…All the “RINO” callers and Palinites ruined the election for McCain. Thanks SO MUCH for Obama!

Second, yes…we can’t have Reagan again. But we can find a man who shares his general principles….that WAS John McCain. But you guys blew it.

I’m gonna get angry now, so I’m stepping away from the keyboard.

God help the GOP. There’s a LOT of work needs to be done, and it is not gonna be easy.

JetBoy on May 3, 2009 at 10:42 PM

But that was then, this is now, and the future is ours if we, the GOP, play our cards right. We don’t need a Reagan clone…we need a leader with convictions, with love for country, and respect for the US Constitution.

JetBoy on May 3, 2009 at 10:31 PM

There’s no sense having a leader who has convictions, love for country, and respect for the Constitution, unless we do as well. Otherwise we aren’t going to follow.

So what are the convictions for which we should stand? What are the principles that should serve as a litmus test for who is and is not a Republican?

Loxodonta on May 3, 2009 at 10:42 PM

Second, yes…we can’t have Reagan again. But we can find a man who shares his general principles….that WAS John McCain. But you guys blew it.

JetBoy on May 3, 2009 at 10:42 PM

LOL. Glad to see you’re keeping your sense of humor. That’s a good sign, JetBoy.

progressoverpeace on May 3, 2009 at 10:43 PM

President Ronald Reagan’s conservative ideology and policies changed the world…..

……. anyone who wants to walk away from that can join the Democratic party.

Seven Percent Solution on May 3, 2009 at 10:37 PM

Thanks for that.

Loxodonta on May 3, 2009 at 10:44 PM

First, I was talking about McCain…All the “RINO” callers and Palinites ruined the election for McCain. Thanks SO MUCH for Obama!

Second, yes…we can’t have Reagan again. But we can find a man who shares his general principles….that WAS John McCain. But you guys blew it.

I’m gonna get angry now, so I’m stepping away from the keyboard.

God help the GOP. There’s a LOT of work needs to be done, and it is not gonna be easy.

JetBoy on May 3, 2009 at 10:42 PM

For full disclosure: I am NOT a Palinite.

That said, without the Palinites, Mac would have lost in a real landslide.

As far as RINO calling, well, Mac pretty much called himself a RINO. Who’s his hero? It’s not Reagan… a lot farther back.

Upstater85 on May 3, 2009 at 10:45 PM

Second, yes…we can’t have Reagan again. But we can find a man who shares his general principles….that WAS John McCain. But you guys blew it.

Sorry, you lost it totally there. I VOTED FOR McCAIN! How did it blow it?!? I couldn’t stand the guy, but voted for him anyway. Blaming me?

You are the problem.

AUINSC on May 3, 2009 at 10:45 PM

Note to the “moderates”:
We’re not going to put the Constitution “behind us”. If a RINO can’t succeed in the Primary, then it’s their tough crap. What are people like Snowe, McCain or Specter suggesting – that we destroy the Primary system and simply declare some RINO as our nominee?
McCain was nominated by cross-over Democrats, any way. He was a gift to the Dems – an old drooling clown without a thought in his head beyond defense issues or “earmarks” – totalling less than .3% of the budget and an even smaller fraction of his insane “Cap and Trade” tax scheme.
Maybe McCain should have spent less time talking to leftwing mental cases wearing Polar Bear suits and a little more time reading Milton Friedman or any other decent economist, if he wasn’t so brain-damaged.

TexasJew on May 3, 2009 at 10:47 PM

Everyday the problem with the GOP becomes clearer and clearer.

The LEFT was right about these guys – they ARE out of touch.

They have a whole party of tea baggers just waiting to be led into battle against the Democrats. We’re hungry for blood – we’re ready to get down and dirty with the Donkeys the way they were with us.

But all our leaders can do is go on an “apology tour” for the Republican Party.

If Jeb Bush wants to earn my respect he can do it first BY STANDING UP FOR HIS BROTHER’S RECORD. He needs to get in people’s faces and call them cowardly liars – because they are. Instead … he’s all “hey … uhm … please lay off my bro here please … uhm … he’s not president anymore … uhm please don’t put him in jail and all”

JEB BUSH IS ONE DOOFUS LOOKING WOOSIE.

HondaV65 on May 3, 2009 at 10:47 PM

blatantblue on May 3, 2009 at 10:27 PM

*Applause*

INC on May 3, 2009 at 10:47 PM

I’m gonna get angry now, so I’m stepping away from the keyboard.

God help the GOP. There’s a LOT of work needs to be done, and it is not gonna be easy.

JetBoy on May 3, 2009 at 10:42 PM

Good idea.

AUINSC on May 3, 2009 at 10:47 PM

These folks aren’t interested in smaller government and more freedom, they are interested in being in charge of whatever big government there is. I want to hear from someone interested in the Constitution.

Cindy Munford on May 3, 2009 at 10:09 PM

YES Ma’am.

warbaby on May 3, 2009 at 10:48 PM

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