Quote of the day

posted at 10:00 pm on May 1, 2009 by Allahpundit

“Too often today, liberals are using below-the-belt tactics against conservatives and paying no price whatsoever. Meanwhile, those on the right like to pat themselves on the back for being above it all. This is like a boxer priding himself on never taking off his gloves while his opponent nearly beats him to death with his bare firsts. But in the end, there’s not much to be said for lovable losers. Conservatives should realize that fair play isn’t going to pay any dividends.

While we conservatives don’t have to stoop quite as low as the left has, we do need to start giving them a taste of their own medicine, if only to make them think twice about the way they’re treating our side…

We can say, ‘Gee, what if Bush had done this’ or ‘That’s a cheap shot’ all day long, but until our political opponents feel the brunt of the same savage incivility that it dishes out on a regular basis, nothing is going to change.”

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Nat Hound on May 2, 2009 at 12:13 AM

I’m intrigued by digging up dirt on political opponents and newsy types but the reality is that few people would have any interest in funding such a group and even fewer would like to run the risk of being associated with such a group for fear of a blow up. Moreover, how do you get the news out to people who for the most part simply don’t know or care……as evidenced by the last election and the continued success of folks like Barney Frank

but great fantasy….

moxie_neanderthal on May 2, 2009 at 12:22 AM

While conservatives defended both Sarah and Joe as we complained incessantly about the way they were treated, the reality is that the Democrats paid no price whatsoever for the out-of-bounds attacks.

Instead of continuing to complain, here’s a better idea. Why don’t conservatives do opposition research on the journalists endlessly running stories about Bristol Palin and Joe the Plumber? Have they ever been arrested? Whom do they own property with? Have they ever been paid to do a speech for someone and then run a favorable news story about him? Certainly Keith Olbermann’s personal life is just as newsworthy as Joe the Plumber’s, and the details of Maureen Dowd’s life are just as noteworthy as those of Bristol Palin — are they not?

YES.

ddrintn on May 2, 2009 at 12:24 AM

New World Order conference being held in Canada. Lot’s of powerful and prominent Americans are going to be there to sell us out.
http://www.conferencedemontreal.com/2.0.html?&L=1

How can anyone doubt that we are rapidly accelerating towards the foretold NWO is beyond me. If you stay stuck in the 2 party Hegelian conflict you will be caught unawares.

True_King on May 2, 2009 at 12:24 AM

That means a serious threat of Marshall Law
True_King on May 2, 2009 at 12:06 AM

Janos is right: it’s MARTIAL law, meaning using the military.
It’s only pronounced like “Marshall.”

And I’m not believing any hysteria coming from a severe Paultard like you!

Jenfidel on May 2, 2009 at 12:13 AM

Oops, my mistake. Also, kindly quit calling people names. I do have family that suffers from downs syndrome and I don’t appreciate the put down.

True_King on May 2, 2009 at 12:26 AM

Moreover, how do you get the news out to people who for the most part simply don’t know or care……as evidenced by the last election and the continued success of folks like Barney Frank

but great fantasy….

moxie_neanderthal on May 2, 2009 at 12:22 AM

You keep hammering and hammering and hammering and hammering…

ddrintn on May 2, 2009 at 12:27 AM

I do have family that suffers from downs syndrome and I don’t appreciate the put down.

True_King on May 2, 2009 at 12:26 AM

Whatever.
People that follow Ron Paul have serious mental deficiencies.
And America has always had a 2-party system and always will.
Whether you choose to designate it as “Hegelian” or not is your own opinion.

Jenfidel on May 2, 2009 at 12:29 AM

Hehe, martial law.

The US, and several other countries, have already acted in a manner which falls under the “Phase 6″ category…

–Phase 6, global pandemic has begun. This includes community level outbreaks in at least one other region. This may trigger countries to activate their own pandemic response plans, though some countries may already have done this in phases 4 or 5. WHO continues to monitor the virus’ spread, check for resistance to antivirals and consider whether vaccine producers should be asked to switch from making seasonal flu vaccine to pandemic vaccine. Based on how the virus spreads, WHO may also advise countries to take measures such as closing schools, workplaces and mass gatherings. The agency will also make specific recommendations for health workers and doctors as to how to treat the disease and reduce its spread in hospitals. And it will oversee distribution of its emergency stockpile of 5 million antiviral treatments to countries in need

racecar05 on May 2, 2009 at 12:29 AM

I’m intrigued by digging up dirt on political opponents and newsy types but the reality is that few people would have any interest in funding such a group and even fewer would like to run the risk of being associated with such a group for fear of a blow up. Moreover, how do you get the news out to people who for the most part simply don’t know or care……as evidenced by the last election and the continued success of folks like Barney Frank

but great fantasy….

moxie_neanderthal on May 2, 2009 at 12:22 AM

I don’t know, it certainly isn’t my style on a personal level, but if some benefactor went all in on it, it would be great. Keep it within certain guidelines, no physical violence, nothing illegal, but other than that, sky’s the limit.

The beauty of it, these things would appear to have just “happened.”

Nat Hound on May 2, 2009 at 12:30 AM

Silly rabbit. I don’t have a soul. At least that’s what that jackhole who called me a Nazi at the teaparty here though.

mjk on May 2, 2009 at 12:30 AM

True_King on May 2, 2009 at 12:06 AM

Our Presidents lack of record, and the people he has surrounded himself with, and what he’s managed to do to this country in 102 days, gives cause for concern. Is this a real health crises, or are the facts being hyped yet again to make the case for “government as savior” by ratcheting up the anxiety level ?
When one’s honesty and motivation is in doubt, everything is.

OneEyedJack on May 2, 2009 at 12:13 AM

I’m almost with you, you are correct for the most part the only problem is that you seem to be blaming Obama when Bush is as much to blame. Extract yourself from the two party paradigm and you will see things more clearly.

When someone controls the two opposites that continually clash then they control the outcome. It’s Hegelian contrived conflict, and he who contrives dominates the outcome.

Jenfidel can’t seem to understand this simple concept. Too much Hannity.

True_King on May 2, 2009 at 12:31 AM

I do have family that suffers from downs syndrome and I don’t appreciate the put down.

True_King on May 2, 2009 at 12:26 AM

Whatever.
People that follow Ron Paul have serious mental deficiencies.
And America has always had a 2-party system and always will.
Whether you choose to designate it as “Hegelian” or not is your own opinion.

Jenfidel on May 2, 2009 at 12:29 AM

If you choose to be betrayed by the same party over and over, then I wonder if it is you that suffers from mental illness, such as battered conservative syndrome. I also believe your blind support of Republicans translates into the classic definition of insanity.

Very sad.

True_King on May 2, 2009 at 12:33 AM

Hey Hawkdriver, hope you are in excellent spirits. Hope to hear from you soon. Take care.

Cindy Munford on May 2, 2009 at 12:34 AM

Those crazies at Reuters are also reporting that the WHO will move to level 6.http://www.reuters.com/article/swineFlu/idUSTRE53T35Y20090430?feedType=RSS&feedName=swineFlu&virtualBrandChannel=10521&sp=true

True_King on May 2, 2009 at 12:38 AM

Yes, yes yes!

Fight them and do what it takes.

clnurnberg on May 2, 2009 at 12:43 AM

Level 6 in and of its self is relatively meaningless. It measures the spread of the flu, not the severity or fatality of it. Plus, your article is well over 24 hours old.

I don’t know who Info Warrior is, but I’m imagining something along the lines of George Noory. Entertainment purposes only…

Nat Hound on May 2, 2009 at 12:46 AM

Certainly Keith Olbermann’s personal life is just as newsworthy as Joe the Plumber’s, and the details of Maureen Dowd’s life are just as noteworthy as those of Bristol Palin — are they not?

+ 1 friggin million!!!

Make it so.

cannonball on May 2, 2009 at 12:55 AM

As far as Level 6 goes, we’ve been there for a couple of days, I dont know why its such a big story. Level 5 = confirmed cases in two countries within one of the six WHO regions. Level 6 = confirmed cases within a country in a second WHO region. Americas was first, Europe had confirmed cases earlier this week.

However, this WILL be a big deal if the flu spreads as expected. It’s not that its deadly now, its that if enough get sick our health infrastructure will be overwhelmed and people will not get the care or meds they need. Those that have died perished due to lack of medical care: respirators, medicine, fluids, etc. Those that live get good care. But if capacities are reached and we can’t get ourselved to the doctor, or get the meds we need, we all become potential victims suffering at home as though we are in a third world country.

It COULD get very serious, dont be so quick to dismiss this.

cannonball on May 2, 2009 at 12:59 AM

George Noory? Kook? No way! Info Warrior is the brain child of serious documentarian Jason Bermas. He’s already uncovered the truth behind 9/11….as evidenced by his Loose Change film series.

Frankly, I’m just amazed that Jason is still alive after exposing what really happened. My guess is he sleeps at a different location every night.

moxie_neanderthal on May 2, 2009 at 1:01 AM

Back to the topic. I’m all for exposing dirt on the idiot media that exposes dirt (true or not). But WHO will be our SOROS? Where are the bajillionaire conservatives that can fnd this? Fight fire with fire!

cannonball on May 2, 2009 at 1:01 AM

Why don’t conservatives do opposition research on the journalists endlessly running stories about Bristol Palin and Joe the Plumber? Have they ever been arrested? Whom do they own property with? Have they ever been paid to do a speech for someone and then run a favorable news story about him? Certainly Keith Olbermann’s personal life is just as newsworthy as Joe the Plumber’s, and the details of Maureen Dowd’s life are just as noteworthy as those of Bristol Palin — are they not? Here’s another example. On college campuses, conservative speakers often need bodyguards to give a speech. Conservatives are shouted down and attacked — and nothing serious ever seems to happen to the fascists who engage in these thuggish tactics. So why shouldn’t conservative groups do the exact same thing to every liberal speaker who comes to the college? Go on stage, lock arms, and shout him down — then sue the university if they’re given so much as an hour’s detention more than the protesting liberal students. Along those same lines, how is it that we have public universities using taxpayer dollars to discriminate against conservatives, indoctrinate kids into liberalism, and hire faculty like Bill Ayers? Why are Republican state legislators allowing this? How about standing up and saying, “If you want to continue to receive taxpayer money, you’re going to act like a university should, not an indoctrination center”? If you are tired of being called a racist by race-hustling poverty pimps like Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and the NAACP, how about using their own tactics against them by boycotting organizations that work with them or support them financially? Are you sick of feeling like you need to familiarize yourself with porn terms just to understand what they’re saying about the tea parties on MSNBC or CNN? Then start filing [1] obscenity complaints with the FCC. The left has never hesitated to use the government and the court system against its political opponents, so why should we?

Terrific ideas! How about talking back when the Sanchez’s and Matthews try to make a fool of you on national television. Try saying, “Chris, that’s a lie and you know it. And if you continue to tell lies I will have no recourse than to call you a liar here on national television.” Try pointing your finger in their chest and say, ” I know you have your little left-wing talking points all written down…” When they complain that you are trying to paint them as something they aren’t, then ask them this, “So, David, who did you vote for in the last 3 elections?” If they refuse to answer, ask them what they are afraid of, then tell them who you voted for.

Trouble is, the Republican Party is worthless for doing the tough work of fighting back against the Obama Take Over, they don’t want to be portrayed as being “mean spirited.” At least that’s what they think the polls want them to do.

Joe Pyne on May 2, 2009 at 1:08 AM

Why don’t conservatives do opposition research on the journalists endlessly running stories about Bristol Palin and Joe the Plumber? Have they ever been arrested? Whom do they own property with? Have they ever been paid to do a speech for someone and then run a favorable news story about him? Certainly Keith Olbermann’s personal life is just as newsworthy as Joe the Plumber’s, and the details of Maureen Dowd’s life are just as noteworthy as those of Bristol Palin — are they not?

There is only one problem with this. The only news org that will cover it is Fox, and Fox is evil, just because (facts and ratings do not matter). Until we become unemployed or take extra vacation time to get away from work in order to picket infront of MSNBC or National Barack Channel (NBC) with signs siting their conflict of interests/biases, they (the parent companies) and the people (their 100K brainwashed viewers – on a good night) will never get the clue.

Sure as #%i! though if people start protesting outside of these biased news orgs local media will cover it.

El Guapo on May 2, 2009 at 1:10 AM

Certainly Keith Olbermann’s personal life is just as newsworthy as Joe the Plumber’s, and the details of Maureen Dowd’s life are just as noteworthy as those of Bristol Palin — are they not?

+ 1 friggin million!!!

Make it so.

cannonball on May 2, 2009 at 12:55 AM

Is it true that Keith Olberman recently got a $3.5 Million raise while his boss, GE was getting taxpayer bailout money? Our tax dollars spent for Olberman’s ‘bonus’….

TN Mom on May 2, 2009 at 1:11 AM

moxie_neanderthal on May 2, 2009 at 12:22 AM

Great idea in theory. Rick Sanchez killed a person with a DUI and is a CNN Anchor, and it seem’s not to have affected him in the slightest. I don’t know a single person who knows this fact unless I tell them about it. You mentioned “fantasy”. And that’s our problem. When I talk to co-workers, I’m stunned at how ill informed they are (thanks in part to HA I am not) and when I clue them in, they are like “say what!?”. They have no clue. They actually believe that what they hear on T.V. is gospel.

And that’s the problem. I wish I had the answer, but I don’t. I just keep talking to people, forwarding e-mails that are factual, and try to keep pace here at HA.

Hog Wild on May 2, 2009 at 1:14 AM

cannonball on May 2, 2009

Richard Mellon Scaife comes to mind.

moxie_neanderthal on May 2, 2009 at 1:14 AM

I’m intrigued by digging up dirt on political opponents and newsy types but the reality is that few people would have any interest in funding such a group and even fewer would like to run the risk of being associated with such a group for fear of a blow up.

Well, there ya go, folks! That’s it in a nutshell! The left is willing to take the risks in order to gain victory, but the conservatives are afraid of a “blow up.”

Same reason for the Vietnam debacle, they fought to win, we fought to not break too many things. When you go to war, when you step into the ring, when you walk on the field, you better be prepared to win, otherwise stay off the field!

Joe Pyne on May 2, 2009 at 1:15 AM

The petition’s full wording:

Dear Mr. Olbermann,

While General Electric, the parent-company of your MSNBC network, was negotiating a $126 billion taxpayer-funded bailout, you signed a new contract raising your salary from $4 million to $7.5 million annually. You have used your show as a platform to call for the resignation of corporate executives accepting excessive bonuses on the backs of taxpayers who are picking up the tab for these atrocious bailouts, yet you yourself have no problem engaging in the same “class economic rape” that you accuse them of.

Please heed your own advice and stop accepting taxpayer money to subsidize your nightly diatribes. Resign or return the balance of your excessive raise to the U.S. Treasury.
(via newsbusters.org)

TN Mom on May 2, 2009 at 1:17 AM

‘Hateful’ tone keeps Jay Severin on WTKK sidelines
During Monday’s show, when talking about the swine flu, Severin called Mexicans crossing the Arizona border “criminaliens,” said hospital emergency rooms had become “condos for Mexicans,” and called the virus a “swine-aka-Janet Napolitano flu,” according to WTKK’s online recording.

Severin also called Mexican immigrants the “lowest of primitives,” called one of Mexico’s biggest “exports” “women with mustaches and VD,” said Mexicans don’t practice hygiene, called Mexicans “leeches” and said their kids aren’t vaccinated, don’t speak English and “retard” U.S. Schools

If those are his exact quotes… not hard to imagine why he is in trouble…

CCRWM on May 2, 2009 at 1:18 AM

But WHO will be our SOROS? Where are the bajillionaire conservatives that can fnd this?

cannonball on May 2, 2009 at 1:01 AM

I really don’t think we need a sugar daddy to help us fund a conservative attack against liberals that attack us.

We have ourselves. Letters to the editor, blogs, write to your congress person, talk to your friends and neighbors.

We didn’t have a daddy warbucks help us with the tea party’s. That was a grassroots effort by us average Dick and Jane America. It set the left off and even got a comment from that boneheaded crook in the Whitehouse.

We got to them by our tea party message. We need to repeat it, wash, rinse and repeat again. They, the left, likes to say there was no message, no cohesiveness, no leader.

There was a message, it was tightly coupled, and it had free thinkers that were leading.

July 4th is a good start for a repeat of our message, and we do it the American way. US

Kini on May 2, 2009 at 1:20 AM

One other thing before I call it a night -

Unless conservatives get out of this hand wringing worrying about what will we do, they will do nothing, nothing! Just bitch and moan, bitch and moan.

Then when the day comes that the Obama Youth walk into your homes to collect your guns and pull the plug on conservative talk radio, you will finally see the consequences of your timidity and cowardice. But, by then, it will be too late.

Joe Pyne on May 2, 2009 at 1:23 AM

Until conservatives break free of this woe is me hand wringing nothing will change.

Then when the day comes when the Obama Youth enter our homes to confiscate our guns, and when the conservative voices are shut down, we will have no one to blame but ourselves. Then we will become outraged!

But, by then, it will have been too late.

Joe Pyne on May 2, 2009 at 1:27 AM

The way we do that is to start becoming part of those institutions. You know, the statist doesn’t have a birthright ownership to Hollywood or the media, generally speaking, or the school system and, you know, we conservatives for a very long time believed in “live and let live” and that’s completely understandable.

We believed in doing the best you can for yourself and your family and going to church and synagogue and being a good citizen and that’s very, very important. But now, I think we have to extend that being a good citizen means being open to being a professor or schoolteacher or an editor or reporter or a director or assistant producer in Hollywood — and there is no reason why we need to feed forever these very crucial institutions to the statists.

Mark Levin (interview with rightwing news)

TN Mom on May 2, 2009 at 1:34 AM

Michelle Malkin is one of the best for digging up facts on the opposition and she plays hardball, not lowball, which made me a fan. She fights fair, as in love and war, but few can out debate her, so she is blockaded by the MSM

For this reason,truth bombs must sometimes be tossed that hit below the belt

When the opposition closes ranks, and locks up the MSM, it can take lowball to break the barricade.

Too bad the GOP has reserved low ball in recent years mostly to cut the conservative base off at the knees. That was a sign the top of the GOP had more issues with its base than with the opposition. That is still the biggest problem and the reason the blitz attacks never materialize

Bush low balled the Minutemen and labeled them vigilantes to signal they were the enemy while he soft balled the illegal alien, whom he called ‘immigrant’ and the employers of illegals whom he called American business

What we need now are leaders who can clearly identify the enemy. The GOP elites are not self loathng, they are conservative loathing, and launch their missiles on their own troops

entagor on May 2, 2009 at 1:38 AM

Please heed your own advice and stop accepting taxpayer money to subsidize your nightly diatribes. Resign or return the balance of your excessive raise to the U.S. Treasury.
(via newsbusters.org)

TN Mom on May 2, 2009 at 1:17 AM

Where is the petition? I will definitely sign that one.

msmveritas on May 2, 2009 at 1:47 AM

Michelle Malkin is one of the best for digging up facts on the opposition and she plays hardball, not lowball, which made me a fan.

entagor on May 2, 2009 at 1:38 AM

+1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

Kini on May 2, 2009 at 1:52 AM

If you need help, this might help

Kini on May 2, 2009 at 2:02 AM

Where is the petition? I will definitely sign that one.

msmveritas on May 2, 2009 at 1:47 AM

worstbailoutintheworld.com

Too cute!

sorry, I don’t know how to provide link!

TN Mom on May 2, 2009 at 2:08 AM

I do have family that suffers from downs syndrome and I don’t appreciate the put down.

True_King on May 2, 2009 at 12:26 AM

Whatever.
People that follow Ron Paul have serious mental deficiencies.

Jenfidel on May 2, 2009 at 12:29 AM

Probably no more so than many of those who follow Juan McCoot or The High Reverend Mike Dingleberry and certainly no more than those who believe that they can declare that someone who follows another than they must have mental deficiencies.

MB4 on May 2, 2009 at 2:10 AM

Frankly, it doesn’t take a lot of digging to turn up evidence of outrageous behavior on the left.

Tom Lauria, bankruptcy attorney at White & Case, who represents a group of Chrysler bond holders specifically claims that the White House threatened one of his clients, Perella Weinberg Partners.

“The White House threatned to use the full force of the White House Press Corps to ruin the reputation of one of the Chrysler Bond Holders Perella Weinberg”

Audio interview of attorney Tom Lauria

We basically have a hold out of three hedge funds as the predominant reason that this bankruptcy happened,” Sen. Debbie Stabenow (D-Mich.) said during an appearance on MSNBC. “And I’m not too happy about that

“While many stakeholders made sacrifices and worked constructively, I have to tell you that some did not,” Obama said Thursday. “I don’t stand with them. I stand with Chrysler’s employees, families, and communities … I don’t stand with those who held out while everyone else was making sacrifices.”

This is big news and smells like FDR’s intervention in the Great Depression. Very bad precedent.

Flashing back to Air Force One buzzing Manhattan: Has anyone asked to see the flight and passenger manifest? Who was on the plane…any big Democrat donors?

moxie_neanderthal on May 2, 2009 at 2:10 AM

Probably no more so than many of those who follow Juan McCoot or The High Reverend Mike Dingleberry and certainly no more than those who believe that they can declare that someone who follows another than they must have mental deficiencies.

MB4 on May 2, 2009 at 2:10 AM

NICE +1000

Upstater85 on May 2, 2009 at 2:20 AM

While we conservatives don’t have to stoop quite as low as the left has, we do need to start giving them a taste of their own medicine, if only to make them think twice about the way they’re treating our side…

We can say, ‘Gee, what if Bush had done this’ or ‘That’s a cheap shot’ all day long, but until our political opponents feel the brunt of the same savage incivility that it dishes out on a regular basis, nothing is going to change

I have long thought this, and could not agree more.

Cylor on May 2, 2009 at 2:22 AM

Flashing back to Air Force One Aero-Reines-Nancy-et-Bawney buzzing Manhattan: Has anyone asked to see the flight and passenger manifest? Who was on the plane…any big Democrat donors?

moxie_neanderthal on May 2, 2009 at 2:10 AM

Good question.

Upstater85 on May 2, 2009 at 2:25 AM

Conservatives don’t need to hit below the belt (as if they don’t already). They do need to spend more time talking about what’s right with conservatism than what’s wrong with liberalism. Republicans screwed a lot of things up during the Bush administration, but they did some good, too. Republicans won in Iraq, at great expense, and with little help from Democrats. Let’s hear about it, along with all the other successes of Republicans past.

Negativity has its place in politics. So does optimism. Obama creamed Republicans with a three-word, three-syllable sound bite based on that principle. What is the positive vision of conservatism? What does conservativism have to offer to America? Not a rhetorical question. Let’s hear about that shining city on a hill again.

RightOFLeft on May 2, 2009 at 3:08 AM

Conservatives don’t need to hit below the belt (as if they don’t already). They do need to spend more time talking about what’s right with conservatism than what’s wrong with liberalism. Republicans screwed a lot of things up during the Bush administration, but they did some good, too. Republicans won in Iraq, at great expense, and with little help from Democrats. Let’s hear about it, along with all the other successes of Republicans past.

RightOFLeft on May 2, 2009 at 3:08 AM

How do cons/which cons hit below the belt? Just curious who you are thinking of.

Republicans may have been winning in Iraq when Bush left, but will we win? And if we “win,” what compromises will be made? Will we allow women to be legally raped?

What do you believe the GOP has done that is positive (in the last few years)?

Upstater85 on May 2, 2009 at 3:15 AM

Conservatives don’t need to hit below the belt (as if they don’t already). They do need to spend more time talking about what’s right with conservatism than what’s wrong with liberalism.

RightOFLeft on May 2, 2009 at 3:08 AM

Disagree.

No one ever successfully defended anything. There is only attack and attack and attack some more.
- George S. Patton

It is easy to hate and it is difficult to love. This is how the whole scheme of things works.
- Confucius

MB4 on May 2, 2009 at 3:20 AM

What do you believe the GOP has done that is positive (in the last few years)?

Upstater85 on May 2, 2009 at 3:15 AM

All sorts of things! There was ….. well OK not that, but there was …… well OK not that either, but there was …..

Never mind.

MB4 on May 2, 2009 at 3:23 AM

All sorts of things! There was ….. well OK not that, but there was …… well OK not that either, but there was …..

Never mind.

MB4 on May 2, 2009 at 3:23 AM

Yep, pretty much.

Upstater85 on May 2, 2009 at 3:29 AM

How do cons/which cons hit below the belt? Just curious who you are thinking of.

Off the top of my head, how about Ann Coulter calling John Edwards a ***? The Ann Coulter oeuvre, in general. Politics is a dirty game, I think it’s naive to assume even the best-intentioned politicians don’t end up with mud on their hands at some point.

Republicans may have been winning in Iraq when Bush left, but will we win? And if we “win,” what compromises will be made? Will we allow women to be legally raped?

Yes, I think we will win. More importantly, I think the Iraqis will win. Democracy works, and always has. I believe Iraq will get to where we are, someday.

What do you believe the GOP has done that is positive (in the last few years)?

Upstater85 on May 2, 2009 at 3:15 AM

Cut taxes. Not much else, but that’s because they’ve betrayed fiscal conservatism. That’s why I’m asking, though. Bush did everything right from a social con POV. Here’s your chance to explain how those policies made America a better place. They didn’t, but I’m willing to listen to counter-arguments.

RightOFLeft on May 2, 2009 at 3:41 AM

MB4 on May 2, 2009 at 3:20 AM

I said negativity has its place, and I meant it.

Defense wins championships.

-Every coach in every sport ever played.

Also, the whole optimism thing worked for Reagan as well as it worked for Obama.

RightOFLeft on May 2, 2009 at 3:44 AM

Off the top of my head, how about Ann Coulter calling John Edwards a ***? The Ann Coulter oeuvre, in general. Politics is a dirty game, I think it’s naive to assume even the best-intentioned politicians don’t end up with mud on their hands at some point.

Ah, yeah, I figured you’d either pick Ann Coulter or Hasselbeck. Good thing W.F. Buckley never referred to anyone as a queer – conservatism may have become a desert.

Yes, I think we will win. More importantly, I think the Iraqis will win. Democracy works, and always has. I believe Iraq will get to where we are, someday.

Really? I thought there were several democracies that failed… You do realize that the US was never meant to be a democracy, right?

Cut taxes. Not much else, but that’s because they’ve betrayed fiscal conservatism. That’s why I’m asking, though. Bush did everything right from a social con POV. Here’s your chance to explain how those policies made America a better place. They didn’t, but I’m willing to listen to counter-arguments.

RightOFLeft on May 2, 2009 at 3:41 AM

Yeah, the SoCons love Bush and legislation such as McCain-Feingold. SoCons got a thrill up their leg every time Bush referred to Islam as a Loving, Peaceful religion. They particularly like the US’s support of Islamic Sharia Law emerging in Afghanistan. They’re so happy they can now send missionaries over there.

Upstater85 on May 2, 2009 at 3:52 AM

Also, the whole optimism thing worked for Reagan as well as it worked for Obama.

RightOFLeft on May 2, 2009 at 3:44 AM

Let’s not forget McCain. He was confident about the fundamentals of the economy and the future of the nation.

Upstater85 on May 2, 2009 at 3:53 AM

they can declare that someone who follows another than they must have mental deficiencies.

MB4 on May 2, 2009 at 2:10 AM

Never figured you for another Paultard–couldn’t tell behind all those Mark Twain quotes and all that sleight-of-hand stuff you were always doing.

Yes, anyone who backs a politician who thinks that Arab Muslims are blameless, that everything’s the fault of the Jews, that America needs to get back on the gold standard and who accepts the endorsement of Storm Front and David Duke (and these are only some of Paul’s attributes) is mentally deficient.

Jenfidel on May 2, 2009 at 4:10 AM

Let’s not forget McCain. He was confident about the fundamentals of the economy and the future of the nation.

Upstater85 on May 2, 2009 at 3:53 AM

He should have stuck by his comment about the fundamentals of the economy more forcefully. McCain came as close to being elected as any Republican could have after 4 years of Bush.

Ah, yeah, I figured you’d either pick Ann Coulter or Hasselbeck. Good thing W.F. Buckley never referred to anyone as a queer – conservatism may have become a desert.

Hasselbeck is a peach. Maybe Ingraham? I enjoyed her hypocritical lecture on criticizing women on their looks (in the post below this).

If you just read what I wrote, I’m not saying below-the-belt is out of bounds (though Buckley’s reply to Vidal was pathetic), just that it’s overdone. If you think calling someone a queer is such courageous wit, why should it even bother you that I think Republicans land as many blows to the groin as Democrats? As a percentage, anyway, there are hardly any Republicans left to compare.

Really? I thought there were several democracies that failed… You do realize that the US was never meant to be a democracy, right?

Sorry, I didn’t use the strict poli-sci definition. Surely you know what I meant. Maybe I should have just paraphrased Winston Churchill: Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others. Iraq has the best possible situation right now, and I think it will get better.

Yeah, the SoCons love Bush and legislation such as McCain-Feingold. SoCons got a thrill up their leg every time Bush referred to Islam as a Loving, Peaceful religion. They particularly like the US’s support of Islamic Sharia Law emerging in Afghanistan. They’re so happy they can now send missionaries over there.

Upstater85 on May 2, 2009 at 3:52 AM

Ok, I have no problem ceding that you know social conservatism better than I do. I had no idea that campaign finance was such a hot-button social issue. Or that insulting Muslims was so important to the SoCons. Bush did the best he could. It would have been tragically stupid not to reach out to Muslims while our troops were occupying two of their countries.

RightOFLeft on May 2, 2009 at 4:17 AM

8 years of Bush. It’s late.

RightOFLeft on May 2, 2009 at 4:19 AM

What do you believe the GOP has done that is positive (in the last few years)?

Upstater85 on May 2, 2009 at 3:15 AM

Under President Bush’s leadership? Cut taxes, appointed Alito and Roberts to the Supreme Court, set up many elements to fight the WOT- including calling it a War on Terror, setting up Gitmo, putting the Patriot Act in place, letting the generals make the calls on troops withdrawal/surge, and knocking down the Gorelick Wall so intelligence agencies can share information, passed the Partial Birth Abortion Act, voided many silly environmental laws that were hindering America’s business, stopped the federal funding of embryonic stem cell research, passed a :”conscience” law for doctors who didn’t want to perform abortions, upped military and defense spending, especially troop preparedness, weapons systems and missile defense and I could go on, but I’m too tired.
(Whatever NObama’s undoing now, basically, is what worked so well for the country when put in place by President Bush working with the Republican Congress.)

Jenfidel on May 2, 2009 at 4:19 AM

Cut taxes… *snip*…and missile defense…

Jenfidel on May 2, 2009 at 4:19 AM

That’s the spirit. I forgot about missile defense. It’s too bad Obama is probably going to gut the program.

RightOFLeft on May 2, 2009 at 4:22 AM

Probably no more so than many of those who follow Juan McCoot or The High Reverend Mike Dingleberry and certainly no more than those who believe that they can declare that someone who follows another than they must have mental deficiencies.

MB4 on May 2, 2009 at 2:10 AM

I didn’t “follow” McCain–I voted for Gov. Palin.
As for Huckabee, I’ve never been a supporter of his. Ever.
So much for your “scathing” attacks on me.

Jenfidel on May 2, 2009 at 4:24 AM

No one ever successfully defended anything. There is only attack and attack and attack some more.
- George S. Patton

MB4 on May 2, 2009

I think that was Patton’s way of saying the best defense is a better offense. Don’t waste time with defense/damage control when you can win by destroying the enemy!

El Guapo on May 2, 2009 at 4:30 AM

I didn’t “follow” McCain–I voted for Gov. Palin.
As for Huckabee, I’ve never been a supporter of his. Ever.
So much for your “scathing” attacks on me.

Jenfidel on May 2, 2009

One problem with conservatism is that the left assumes that we supported the same people that their MSM did. But then again, that can be adventagious.

El Guapo on May 2, 2009 at 4:32 AM

Famous Patton Quotes?:

No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country.

My favorite to you liberals…
If everyone is thinking alike, then somebody isn’t thinking.

El Guapo on May 2, 2009 at 4:38 AM

He should have stuck by his comment about the fundamentals of the economy more forcefully. McCain came as close to being elected as any Republican could have after 4 years of Bush.

Well, there’s no way to really test this. I guess we can take it to be vacuously true since he was the single nominee.

Hasselbeck is a peach. Maybe Ingraham? I enjoyed her hypocritical lecture on criticizing women on their looks (in the post below this).

If you just read what I wrote, I’m not saying below-the-belt is out of bounds (though Buckley’s reply to Vidal was pathetic), just that it’s overdone. If you think calling someone a queer is such courageous wit, why should it even bother you that I think Republicans land as many blows to the groin as Democrats? As a percentage, anyway, there are hardly any Republicans left to compare.

Yeah, it’s courageous, courageous wit that is. Yep, yep, that’s what I said.

Sorry, I didn’t use the strict poli-sci definition. Surely you know what I meant. Maybe I should have just paraphrased Winston Churchill: Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others. Iraq has the best possible situation right now, and I think it will get better.

OK, glad you don’t think the way I thought you were. I think a liberal society would be something to shoot for. And, I do mean liberal in the classical sense – not the modern American sense.

Ok, I have no problem ceding that you know social conservatism better than I do. I had no idea that campaign finance was such a hot-button social issue. Or that insulting Muslims was so important to the SoCons. Bush did the best he could. It would have been tragically stupid not to reach out to Muslims while our troops were occupying two of their countries.

RightOFLeft on May 2, 2009 at 4:17 AM

Clearly I know more about SoCons than you. I challenge your digs at them, therefore, I am a SoCon. I guess a lot of people would then be SoCons.
My understanding is that McCain-Feingold did cause some problems with some of the pro-life groups.

And if we don’t pander to Muslims, we automatically insult them? Ah, but then there is the “he had to reach out to them.” line. Perhaps. Did it work in the end? Here’s something else to think about. The Allies didn’t “reach out” to the Nazis when they occupied Germany. Yeah, yeah, they are different. Islam is a peaceful religion, whereas Nazism was a movement that wanted to control every aspect of individual’s life.

I’m not going to say that everything Bush did was a mistake, but we did pay for it (literally), and we should have expected better results – but what would I, the “SoCon,” know?

Upstater85 on May 2, 2009 at 4:46 AM

Under President Bush’s leadership? Cut taxes, appointed Alito and Roberts to the Supreme Court, set up many elements to fight the WOT- including calling it a War on Terror, setting up Gitmo, putting the Patriot Act in place, letting the generals make the calls on troops withdrawal/surge, and knocking down the Gorelick Wall so intelligence agencies can share information, passed the Partial Birth Abortion Act, voided many silly environmental laws that were hindering America’s business, stopped the federal funding of embryonic stem cell research, passed a :”conscience” law for doctors who didn’t want to perform abortions, upped military and defense spending, especially troop preparedness, weapons systems and missile defense and I could go on, but I’m too tired.
(Whatever NObama’s undoing now, basically, is what worked so well for the country when put in place by President Bush working with the Republican Congress.)

Jenfidel on May 2, 2009 at 4:19 AM

Alito and Roberts were good nominees

WOT – too vague a term. Terror is a technique. It should have been called something like the War on Islamic Fascism (but that would have POed the UN and CAIR).

The Patriot Act is what Napoleon is going to use to drag us all to the re-education camps. It’s only good if you can trust those with the power.

The surge did seem to be a success – let’s see how bad O messes this up.

The Cutting of Federal Funding for Embryonic Stem-cell Research was a great thing that he did. I think both Social Conservatives and Fiscal Conservatives can agree on this point.

His stance on abortion was satisfactory to many social conservatives – of course they wanted to abolish it, but it was a start.

There, mostly positives.

Upstater85 on May 2, 2009 at 4:53 AM

Here’s something else to think about. The Allies didn’t “reach out” to the Nazis when they occupied Germany. Yeah, yeah, they are different. Islam is a peaceful religion, whereas Nazism was a movement that wanted to control every aspect of individual’s life.

I’m not going to say that everything Bush did was a mistake, but we did pay for it (literally), and we should have expected better results – but what would I, the “SoCon,” know?

Upstater85 on May 2, 2009 at 4:46 AM

Have any of you ever been “over there”? Radical Islam is all about controlling every part of people’s lives. And a lot of Bush’s so called mistakes were fueled or even magnified by partisan bickering such as “the war is lost”, “we are killing civilians in cold blood” ((D)Murtha), and other propaganda that the Democrats fed to the enemy to which they successfully used agasint us. Sure his dogmatic support of Rummy hurt us, but the liberal “message of defeat” and “America is nothing but war crimes” hurt us even more! Even though every witness turned out to be a fraud, with fake DD-214′s and falsified documents to illegally collect VA benefits (some are supposedly still hiding in Canada at this time), the damage was done because the media does not cover corrections the same way they do headlines that were corrected.

El Guapo on May 2, 2009 at 5:17 AM

Have any of you ever been “over there”? Radical Islam is all about controlling every part of people’s lives.

El Guapo on May 2, 2009 at 5:17 AM

Yeah, maybe I needed to add the /sarc

Upstater85 on May 2, 2009 at 5:25 AM

Sure his dogmatic support of Rummy hurt us, but the liberal “message of defeat” and “America is nothing but war crimes” hurt us even more! Even though every witness turned out to be a fraud, with fake DD-214’s and falsified documents to illegally collect VA benefits (some are supposedly still hiding in Canada at this time), the damage was done because the media does not cover corrections the same way they do headlines that were corrected.

El Guapo on May 2, 2009 at 5:17 AM

Yeah, I agree with you, but then again, I really agree with you. See this is the most frustrating thing. Why weren’t Bush and Co more aggressive about the successes made. Perhaps they were “above the fray,” but in the end they may have hurt the cause they were trying to promote.

Upstater85 on May 2, 2009 at 5:28 AM

The Patriot Act is what Napoleon is going to use to drag us all to the re-education camps. It’s only good if you can trust those with the power.

Where does the Patriot Act have a provision to do this? Where does it authorize anykind of “education camp”?

USA has the most comm trunks thru satellites, OTA, and ground cables due to our technological revolution. Almost all foreign comms goes thru a US trunk somehow or another. If someone from the US is talking to someone who is already being investigated in a foreign country, this can warrant wire tapping pending court approval for retroactive upholding in a court of law since regular warrants take too long to capture immediate comms. (De de-dee)

Napoleon would never have this provision of the courts reviewing the wiretap and declaring if it was warranted or not to be upheld in a court of law.

El Guapo on May 2, 2009 at 5:30 AM

Napoleon would never have this provision of the courts reviewing the wiretap and declaring if it was warranted or not to be upheld in a court of law.

El Guapo on May 2, 2009 at 5:30 AM

Never say never… remember, we’re all RWEs… If the Patriot Act is used to “gather evidence” against the “Terrorists,” then I don’t see how it couldn’t be used against Right Wing Extremists.

Yeah, it might be a strong statement, but do you really trust Napoleon that much?

Upstater85 on May 2, 2009 at 5:34 AM

See this is the most frustrating thing. Why weren’t Bush and Co more aggressive about the successes made.
Upstater85 on May 2, 2009

They tried. They ended up getting accused of “planting news” by the MSM even though what they were paying local Iraqi reporters to cover (instead of blood and gore which wsa easier to find..follow the booms) was also real factual good news. They tried to beat the terrorists at their own propaganda game with real factual local good news to rally the locals, but got called on it and criticized as “planting news” by our MSM.

El Guapo on May 2, 2009 at 5:36 AM

They tried. They ended up getting accused of “planting news” by the MSM even though what they were paying local Iraqi reporters to cover (instead of blood and gore which wsa easier to find..follow the booms) was also real factual good news. They tried to beat the terrorists at their own propaganda game with real factual local good news to rally the locals, but got called on it and criticized as “planting news” by our MSM.

El Guapo on May 2, 2009 at 5:36 AM

I guess I was referring to how they handled the message in their own country. Look, there’s no doubt the MSM is biased, but it doesn’t help when Bush isn’t a strong communicator and when he was essentially cherry picking questions. Hey, the man isn’t perfect, but it would have been nice to seem him take any and all questions and then rip into the ridiculous ones.

Upstater85 on May 2, 2009 at 5:38 AM

then I don’t see how it couldn’t be used against Right Wing Extremists.

Yeah, it might be a strong statement, but do you really trust Napoleon that much?

Upstater85 on May 2, 2009 at 5:34 AM

Right wing extremists do not have ties or interests in communist or terrorist states. However, some liberals do! IE Sean Penn, Bill Clinton, etc…

There wont be any phone calls between a US citizen and a suspect overseas that is under investigation.

El Guapo on May 2, 2009 at 5:39 AM

They tried. They ended up getting accused of “planting news” by the MSM even though what they were paying local Iraqi reporters to cover (instead of blood and gore which wsa easier to find..follow the booms) was also real factual good news. They tried to beat the terrorists at their own propaganda game with real factual local good news to rally the locals, but got called on it and criticized as “planting news” by our MSM.

El Guapo on May 2, 2009 at 5:36 AM

And it doesn’t help when you have David Frum and Scott McClellan working for you.

Even though I kind of like her, I also cringed when Perino didn’t know what the Bay of Pigs was – that would have been a great Zinger moment:

“Oh, you mean the thing Kennedy failed at?”

Upstater85 on May 2, 2009 at 5:40 AM

Jenfidel can’t seem to understand this simple concept. Too much Hannity.

True_King on May 2, 2009 at 12:31 AM

You are such a reactionary Paulbearer, yourself!
While I think he’s a nice guy and I don’t disagree with what he says, I’ve never been a Hannity fan, either his radio or his TV show.
I’m a Dittohead and a fan of Michael Medved, Mark Levin, Hugh Hewitt, Tammy Bruce and often Glenn Beck and Michael Savage, but never Hannity.

Jenfidel on May 2, 2009 at 5:42 AM

Right wing extremists do not have ties or interests in communist or terrorist states. However, some liberals do! IE Sean Penn, Bill Clinton, etc…

OK, yeah, I agree with you.

There wont be any phone calls between a US citizen and a suspect overseas that is under investigation.

El Guapo on May 2, 2009 at 5:39 AM

That’s assuming it won’t be broadened and that we don’t call fellow conservatives around the world. What about Blogs? Are they somehow off limits?

Upstater85 on May 2, 2009 at 5:43 AM

I guess I was referring to how they handled the message in their own country. Look, there’s no doubt the MSM is biased, but it doesn’t help when Bush isn’t a strong communicator and when he was essentially cherry picking questions. Hey, the man isn’t perfect, but it would have been nice to seem him take any and all questions and then rip into the ridiculous ones.

Upstater85

He press secretaries did a pretty good job of this. But that did not matter. Ever notice how no one could ever prove on demand that he was guilty of “ordering the killing if innocent civilians” but many still stuck to this claim?

El Guapo on May 2, 2009 at 5:45 AM

Ever notice how no one could ever prove on demand that he was guilty of “ordering the killing if innocent civilians” but many still stuck to this claim?

El Guapo on May 2, 2009 at 5:45 AM

I guess. I always thought the torture thing was a bigger deal. I think they really went after him on this – still do.

Upstater85 on May 2, 2009 at 5:47 AM

I guess. I always thought the torture thing was a bigger deal. I think they really went after him on this – still do.

Upstater85

That is a different story. What do you do when you brief congress (including Dems) on classified interragation methods and no one speaks up about them being too harsh? How about cutting the head off of Daniel Peal while he was still alive? His voice, pleas, and screams still stain my memory as his neck was slowly sawed. And they didn’t even try to extract any info.

Those who do not follow Geneva conventions are not protected by Geneva conventions.

El Guapo on May 2, 2009 at 5:52 AM

That is a different story. What do you do when you brief congress (including Dems) on classified interragation methods and no one speaks up about them being too harsh? How about cutting the head off of Daniel Peal while he was still alive? His voice, pleas, and screams still stain my memory as his neck was slowly sawed. And they didn’t even try to extract any info.

Those who do not follow Geneva conventions are not protected by Geneva conventions.

El Guapo on May 2, 2009 at 5:52 AM

Uh, I’m not saying they should be given “rights.” My point is why didn’t the Bush administration say something like this?

Upstater85 on May 2, 2009 at 5:55 AM

Uh, I’m not saying they should be given “rights.” My point is why didn’t the Bush administration say something like this?

Upstater85 on May 2, 2009

I think they tried. Not very well but they tried. Liberals were more concerned about equal human (even for terrorist) rights than the way terrorists were treating our soldiers if they were captured or bodies mutiliated by terrorists.

It is my belief that this is why no one has ever been able to bring about any real charges against Bush for intn’l war crimes: Geneva conventions specifically says that one is not protected by Geneva if they do not follow the Geneva Conventions: thus the unlawful combatants definition – which is how 99.9999% of terrorists choose to fight.

El Guapo on May 2, 2009 at 6:16 AM

John Hawkins 1st paragraph!

that’s real life

maverick muse on May 2, 2009 at 6:16 AM

Experts speak of Obama in the same league as such transformational presidents as Democrat Franklin Roosevelt, who led the United States through the Great Depression and World War Two, and Republican Ronald Reagan, who led the country to victory in the Cold War.

Steve Holland, Reuters, from Washington dishes savage civility; Obama is Reagan reborn. Gotta deliver more revisionism.

Where’s the comparison to Stalin? THAT’S real.

maverick muse on May 2, 2009 at 6:21 AM

Hard to justify wallowing in the slime with the liberals but the Republican “leaders” had better grow a set and learn how to respond forcefully to the merde the libs are slinging. Not very inspiring watching our “leaders” wringing their hands or stamping their feet a la lindsey grammnesty…

jsanderssr on May 2, 2009 at 6:22 AM

Meanwhile, those on the right like to pat themselves on the back for being above it all.

Hawkins

Look what good it did McCain.
Look what good it did Coleman.

That “advice” from the RNC is sabotage.

maverick muse on May 2, 2009 at 6:24 AM

Where’s the comparison to Stalin? THAT’S real.

maverick muse on May 2, 2009

The current Democratic Party as a whole. Obama is no Reagan; he does not beleive: you cannot elevate the poor by bringing down the rich (you ever work for a poor guy?). And FDR did not bring us thru the depression, he prolonged it. He definitely did not win WW2 either.

Reagan’s victory was based in large by one gamble that proved to be true. That capitolism/freedom could make more $$ and outspend communism anyday. And it worked. He moreless bankrupt the USSR.

El Guapo on May 2, 2009 at 6:28 AM

That means a serious threat of Marshall Law, as well as forced vaccinations, if you refuse a vaccination you get fined 250,000 fine and jail time, and Bush’s genius SPP says that we will be under UN law.

True_King on May 2, 2009 at 12:06 AM

uh…but any virus will spread like the SwineMexican flu. if they tracked it the same way…wth??? I haven’t vaccinated my kids against ANY flu because I boost them in other ways and have great healthcare. What are you SAYING?!?!?! I feel sick.

Mommypundit on May 2, 2009 at 6:28 AM

do opposition research on the journalists endlessly running stories about Bristol Palin and Joe the Plumber

+1

Reporters who savage civilians in yellow journalism smear campaigns, especially while covering the sins of their own political comrades, are not merely to be reproached, but researched and exploited themselves for having ruined the purpose for protecting “journalism” that they use as if it’s diplomatic immunity [another matter to rescind blanket applications].

If they dish it out, they get to eat it.

maverick muse on May 2, 2009 at 6:34 AM

That “advice” from the RNC is sabotage.

maverick muse

I say whatever the RNC says, I take with a shot of salt and tequila. McCain was a plant/puppet of the media. Thus why he got so few votes.

Heck every friend I know who is conservative admitted they voted for Obama becuase they “hoped he would be another Carter” (or worse) which would bring a better GOP candidate 4 years later.

El Guapo on May 2, 2009 at 6:36 AM

When someone controls the two opposites that continually clash then they control the outcome. It’s Hegelian contrived conflict, and he who contrives dominates the outcome.

Jenfidel can’t seem to understand this simple concept. Too much Hannity.

True_King on May 2, 2009 at 12:31 AM

I hear what you are saying about the dialectic. Every conservative should look at this when they wish to either purge the conservative elements from the party to come together in ONE body…the consensus isn’t the best. I believe in hearty diversity and debate. Sure, there will be some decent consensus, but, if the worldview is fundamentally different, there will be some breakdown.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialectic

When we talk BIG TENT or “coming together” or “one world” ANYTHING, we are talking about a primarily Marxist tactic, derived from Hegel, which means anything BUT healthy compromise of two equally ethical and moral parties. It always includes an element of compromise of of one or the other in a progressive manner.

While I do not subscribe to ALL of Ron Paul’s ideology, you cannot toss out all of it as if it were crazy. It’s been a long time since we have actually heard someone talk like he does (and he might not be the very best messenger) but there is much truth to what he says. Do we remember America as it was founded? Or, have we floated along thinking the status quo is what America has always been and simply try to “conserve” that?

Hmmmmm.

Mommypundit on May 2, 2009 at 6:37 AM

While I do not subscribe to ALL of Ron Paul’s ideology, you cannot toss out all of it as if it were crazy. It’s been a long time since we have actually heard someone talk like he does (and he might not be the very best messenger) but there is much truth to what he says. Do we remember America as it was founded? Or, have we floated along thinking the status quo is what America has always been and simply try to “conserve” that?

Hmmmmm.

Mommypundit on May 2, 2009 at 6:37 AM

Uh oh… watch out… This is bound to upset some people. The other day someone on HA said they disagreed with him on 90% of the issues…

Upstater85 on May 2, 2009 at 6:43 AM

Those that have died perished due to lack of medical care: respirators, medicine, fluids, etc. Those that live get good care. But if capacities are reached and we can’t get ourselved to the doctor, or get the meds we need, we all become potential victims suffering at home as though we are in a third world country.

It COULD get very serious, dont be so quick to dismiss this.

cannonball on May 2, 2009 at 12:59 AM

Actually, what sucks is that illegals and those who refuse to take care of their bodies in the first place will suck the supplies dry, not to mention create a scenario where the tamflu or possible antibiotics for infection are rendered useless because of mutation. Then, when those of us who might come down with this relatively mild flu, the supplies and efficacy are gone or too exhausted. Not to mention that the raised panic causes the med community to hastily create a vax which might be dangerous.

At any rate, you wont have conservative mommies ONLY refusing mandatory vaccination. You’ll have a lot of my hippy Whole Foods friends, too. Don’t forget, they have right suspicion of government sometimes. :o)

Mommypundit on May 2, 2009 at 6:43 AM

Using the exact same tactics against the left that it uses against the right may very well be effective.

That’s how cures occur.

Allowing a sore to fester is how infections overwhelm a system and kill a body.

The accuracy of the information used determines the potency of the (counter) attack.

Shooting indiscriminately is self destructive. Even if it feels good to pull a trigger, shooting yourself hurts. Winning feels better.

Keep it real. Take down the whole cloth industry. And make the snake oil salesmen drink their own medicine.

maverick muse on May 2, 2009 at 6:47 AM

RNC: and allowing moderates a place at the table.

William Amos on May 1, 2009 at 10:07 PM

UNDER the table with the dogs or the kiddy table

maverick muse on May 2, 2009 at 6:50 AM

Uh oh… watch out… This is bound to upset some people. The other day someone on HA said they disagreed with him on 90% of the issues…

Upstater85 on May 2, 2009 at 6:43 AM

Then they are foolish.

If people are so willing to subjugate conservative morality to sideline status for the Moderate Majority hoax, and also ridiculing Ron Paul supporters, then they are fools to think they can win EVER. So much for their expedient pragmatism!

We need to be so HAPPY that there are firebrands like Paul out there…we need to celebrate that kind of diversity. Also, these college kids are ON FIRE for liberty…and Ron Paul speaks to that. You have people ages 18-30 READING THE CONSTITUTION and BILL OF RIGHTS and rediscovering our nation!!! I mean, what more could you want??? Ron Paul has not left the R party, either. He isn’t a strict libertarian. He evidently still trusts in a two party system. To not study his effectiveness is beyond foolish. He does not pander to specific groups, like liberals do. He certainly isn’t a glorious Rock Star like The One. So, what is the appeal?

This isn’t pragmatic on my part, either. It’s instructive. We look at what it is that is energizing the very demographic that we lose again and again to the left…it certainly isn’t the man, per se. It’s the substance. Learn from it.

Mommypundit on May 2, 2009 at 6:53 AM

His stance on abortion was satisfactory to many social conservatives – of course they wanted to abolish it, but it was a start.

There, mostly positives.

Upstater85 on May 2, 2009 at 4:53 AM

Knowing abortion to be what it is (mass genocide, do a google image search if you have any questions) naturally makes us long for a day when it is abolished. Most christians, however, simply want a general advocate in the highest office so our daily work in our own communities is simply tolerated. We know that abortion (and promiscuity, etc.) is a heart issue. No law will change the heart, only reveal what is wrong within it. So, it is really just the symbolic gesture of the platform which we CANNOT lose.

If the RNC rids itself of the language of Life, I will never vote again. They have truly lost their credibility and compass.

Mommypundit on May 2, 2009 at 6:59 AM

I said “simply” twice. Sorry. I hate redundancy.

Mommypundit on May 2, 2009 at 7:00 AM

William Amos on May 1, 2009 at 10:07 PM

A MODERATE Statesman does not tell a conservative what to be, nor does the Moderate tell the liberal what to be. The Moderate observes both, judges circumstances per event, and votes as an independent balanced on the designated party platform according to conscience which is a matter of public record for the Party’s information. But when it comes to a specific party platform issue that legislation would destroy and the vote count is close, the MODERATE STANDS BY HIS/HER PARTY. Moderates do not abandon ship; they just don’t want to be captain of the ship.

THAT MODERATE has a place at the GOP table so long as the Moderate does not eat more servings than appropriated.

That Moderate needs identity.

A RINO is NOT a Moderate when presuming to convert votes AWAY from the party platform.

A progressive is not a moderate because the commitment is to change and dissolve the Constitutional balance in America, not to facilitate a means to maintain the order according to rule of law.

maverick muse on May 2, 2009 at 7:04 AM

Then they are foolish.

If people are so willing to subjugate conservative morality to sideline status for the Moderate Majority hoax, and also ridiculing Ron Paul supporters, then they are fools to think they can win EVER. So much for their expedient pragmatism!

We need to be so HAPPY that there are firebrands like Paul out there…we need to celebrate that kind of diversity. Also, these college kids are ON FIRE for liberty…and Ron Paul speaks to that. You have people ages 18-30 READING THE CONSTITUTION and BILL OF RIGHTS and rediscovering our nation!!! I mean, what more could you want??? Ron Paul has not left the R party, either. He isn’t a strict libertarian. He evidently still trusts in a two party system. To not study his effectiveness is beyond foolish. He does not pander to specific groups, like liberals do. He certainly isn’t a glorious Rock Star like The One. So, what is the appeal?

This isn’t pragmatic on my part, either. It’s instructive. We look at what it is that is energizing the very demographic that we lose again and again to the left…it certainly isn’t the man, per se. It’s the substance. Learn from it.

Mommypundit on May 2, 2009 at 6:53 AM

Totally agree! It’s refreshing. No, we don’t have to accept everything that is on Paul’s platform, but I was starting to get really sick when many a “conservative,” was using the “Big Tent” language for Specter, and willing to throw Paul under the bus (yes, I did see your above post about big tentism +1). To think that Specter left the party after we tolerated him all of these years, but we were willing to write Paul off as some sort of Democrat is very worrisome.

Upstater85 on May 2, 2009 at 7:05 AM

I think there is truth in the fact that conservatives need to get meaner. I used to think that was not the case, but the liberals have shown me that it works, so I think turn about is fair play.

I see things every day from this administration that just floor me, including our socalled President smirking at the Tea Parties like some snotty highschooler.

The truth is these people seem to think they can lie, cheat and steal with impunity. They give the distinct impression that the same laws they insist on cramming down everyone else’s throats just do not apply to them and they refuse to play fair.

They go after people’s families, their religious and cultural beliefs, they refuse to be accountable, it just goes on and on and there will be blowback. Count on it.

I saw a reference over at Instapundit of a Pew poll that stated support for the pro life position is actually up along with support for gun rights…and pew is not exactly a right wing outfit either.

Terrye on May 2, 2009 at 7:06 AM

Knowing abortion to be what it is (mass genocide, do a google image search if you have any questions) naturally makes us long for a day when it is abolished. Most christians, however, simply want a general advocate in the highest office so our daily work in our own communities is simply tolerated. We know that abortion (and promiscuity, etc.) is a heart issue. No law will change the heart, only reveal what is wrong within it. So, it is really just the symbolic gesture of the platform which we CANNOT lose.

If the RNC rids itself of the language of Life, I will never vote again. They have truly lost their credibility and compass.

Mommypundit on May 2, 2009 at 6:59 AM

I think this is why the base didn’t completely leave Mac in the end. No, not because of him, but because they realized Palin embraced this language of life. Palin may have driven some away, but if McCain had used someone that wasn’t as clear on her stances as Palin, I think McCain would have lost in a landslide. Many people would have adopted your potential sentiments and simply wouldn’t have voted – or voted third party.

Upstater85 on May 2, 2009 at 7:08 AM

True_King on May 2, 2009 at 12:24 AM

good link

maverick muse on May 2, 2009 at 7:08 AM

I think there is truth in the fact that conservatives need to get meaner. I used to think that was not the case, but the liberals have shown me that it works, so I think turn about is fair play.

I see things every day from this administration that just floor me, including our socalled President smirking at the Tea Parties like some snotty highschooler.

The truth is these people seem to think they can lie, cheat and steal with impunity. They give the distinct impression that the same laws they insist on cramming down everyone else’s throats just do not apply to them and they refuse to play fair.

They go after people’s families, their religious and cultural beliefs, they refuse to be accountable, it just goes on and on and there will be blowback. Count on it.

I saw a reference over at Instapundit of a Pew poll that stated support for the pro life position is actually up along with support for gun rights…and pew is not exactly a right wing outfit either.

Terrye on May 2, 2009 at 7:06 AM

First step: Point this out EVERY DAY! Obama is a flat out liar. He said he was going to unify the country. How does he plan on doing this? By demanding that Conservatives give up their beliefs. If not, you are scorned, marginalized, and sneered at. This is not unification.

Upstater85 on May 2, 2009 at 7:11 AM

Mommypundit:

I do think that there is a moderate majority. I think that is why public opinion is not static, why it tends to shift left and right. People tend to change with events.

But that does not mean that conservatives can not and should not defend themselves..if anything it means the opposite. Conservatives need to do a better job of defending themselves and their ideas. They can do without alienating moderates so long as they don’t attack moderates. Moderates are not really the problem, the problem are the hard core leftists and the dedicated liberals who can and do manipulate public opinion. Moderates can be swayed, liberals not so much.

Terrye on May 2, 2009 at 7:13 AM

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