Quote of the day
posted at 10:00 pm on May 1, 2009 by Allahpundit
“Too often today, liberals are using below-the-belt tactics against conservatives and paying no price whatsoever. Meanwhile, those on the right like to pat themselves on the back for being above it all. This is like a boxer priding himself on never taking off his gloves while his opponent nearly beats him to death with his bare firsts. But in the end, there’s not much to be said for lovable losers. Conservatives should realize that fair play isn’t going to pay any dividends.
While we conservatives don’t have to stoop quite as low as the left has, we do need to start giving them a taste of their own medicine, if only to make them think twice about the way they’re treating our side…
We can say, ‘Gee, what if Bush had done this’ or ‘That’s a cheap shot’ all day long, but until our political opponents feel the brunt of the same savage incivility that it dishes out on a regular basis, nothing is going to change.”
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Upstater:
Hello there and good morning. Yes, you are right. It does need to be pointed out every day.
Terrye on May 2, 2009 at 7:14 AM
All the more purpose to participate in civil protest utilizing the truth, speaking with a strong and intelligent voice of reason.
Conservatives need to organize protests, even if small, in a steady turn out in front of media businesses. Our protesters need tutoring in how to eschew liberal bait and hammer home sound points that the media would dissolve. Never answer their question rather than make your point in your 5-second time clip. And before the protests, DO THE HOMEWORK ON THE MEDIA’S REPORTERS because their habits are known and on record.
maverick muse on May 2, 2009 at 7:18 AM
Hello there. Never thought I’d be on this late/early.
First, even though the left wasn’t completely honest, I think one reason much of the nation has BDS is because we were told everyday for 6 years how bad and stupid he was. Now, in my opinion, he should have defended himself better. But, their tactics had success. Imagine if the right uses similar tactics – except this time we will be telling the TRUTH (there’s nothing positive to report on Obama).
About the moderate majority, I see what you are saying. I would like to think that Conservatives will push for a smaller government that will let people be moderate if they so choose – or liberal. Our current government is actively encouraging people to be progressive – if you don’t move left, you’re a hick, racist. Bush was never this way, but he did avoid some of the snarky questions from the left. He should have taken them front on – I think Americans appreciate honesty.
Upstater85 on May 2, 2009 at 7:22 AM
Question: Conservatives seem to be getting better at organizing online. How hard do you think it would be to organize a mass e-mail overload of say CNN? Get 100,000 conservatives to send an e-mail to CNN at say 12:00 on July 4th. Yes, this might be “terrorism,” but it would make a point, no?
Upstater85 on May 2, 2009 at 7:24 AM
Joe Pyne on May 2, 2009 at 1:08 AM
excellent post
maverick muse on May 2, 2009 at 7:26 AM
Upstater85 on May 2, 2009 at 7:24 AM
Call it an effort to communicate; and, yes, it would work.
It would also trigger their “mean spirited” reset button. So everyone grow your Dennis Miller thick skin.
maverick muse on May 2, 2009 at 7:32 AM
Mean Spirited like this?
Now of course Fox couldn’t organize something like this, but surely some of the blogs could… They could start targeting easier targets – for example Nancy Pelosi’s e-mail/phone… Then work their way up.
Upstater85 on May 2, 2009 at 7:36 AM
IT
Make IT work FOR us.
With that, youth will gain access via IT to truth, not simply fabricated revisionism. The idealism of youth deserves better than Marx! Hell, EVERYONE deserves better than Marx.
maverick muse on May 2, 2009 at 7:38 AM
Bokbluster.com bwahahahaha
Upstater85 on May 2, 2009 at 7:36 AM
I’ve been in agreement on that point all along. During the campaign I reiterated, and should again now, that our GOP and Conservative public voices (talk radio hosts and bloggers, staunch GOP spokespeople, RNC Chair) should absolutely convene together to organize an effective defense for US, the conservative Americans who subsidize their livelihoods with ardent support. THAT would be the American Way for truth and justice.
All media personalities have themselves to consider, not merely their “cause” though it would be nice to have a united front so the personalities would enjoy their own safety in numbers, and affect for the cause in numbers. Ace of Spades made explicit efforts during the campaign to unload TRUTH to expose liars in the act of fabricating whole cloth. Allahpundit has a great nose for sniffing out dirty laundry. That’s the essence motivating us to keep logging on to these sights; to stay abreast.
But you’re right, it would be great to be past PR childhood in this media battle to maintain liberty. We’re formulating our Phoenix rebirth now, and our emergence is as real as we make it.
And conservative bloggers have united to create PJ Media and PJTV which is the giant step for mankind. And there are conservative foundations, explicitly the Heritage Foundation, that are on the ball. Study up and join the foundation of choice, and work to unify on the basis of the Constitution, the original GOP platform, and the essence of anti-Marxism, piercing festering government abuses.
CONSERVATIVE PERSONALITIES need to adjust into a ‘mutual admiration society’ of united effort, united stand, united counter attack on Socialists AND against Socialism.
maverick muse on May 2, 2009 at 8:06 AM
Because that is correct, you would be correct SO LONG AS what is correct is not revised and the revision supersede the original document as is Obama’s custom and the progressive way.
/run-on apology
There’s law that prevents anyone from being charged with a crime that was not a legislated crime at the time of the incident under investigation. We all learned that in public education during the 1960-70s–isn’t that still understood?
maverick muse on May 2, 2009 at 8:15 AM
maverick: “mutual”, “united”. this is what i’ve been saying all along: let’s be the party that takes the fervent anti-abortion people right along with those who don’t view that as the biggest issue but hold national defense as their #1 cause. or fiscal conservatism.
we can make this work. but we have to stop fighting with each other.
kelley in virginia on May 2, 2009 at 8:16 AM
We are going to find out just how bad and stupid he was.
54% for torture investigation 22% against
You could, in theory, blow off the hispanic vote because you wont hispander on illegal immigration, if you could recover the youth vote. Because there are young hispanics.
But that won’t happen as long you are the Homophobe Torture Party.
You have media….but they are not objective. Your media is an echo chamber. FOXnews has no credibility anymore, Zeigler is a michael-moore style clown, Zogby is regularily ethically and mathematically challenged as a credible polling agency by other statisticians and pollsters.
The reason you are losing the media war is not so much that the other side is lying (sometimes they are), but because you are engaged in a spiteful powerless tit-for-tat that leeches all the credibilty out of your arguments in the interest of “getting even”.
strangelet on May 2, 2009 at 9:57 AM
John is right. The Democrats need to pay a price. They are the agressors and they have set the rules. The Republicans are gutless poltroons because they don’t want to be accused by the MSM of “dirty tactics”. Get a clue, numb-nuts, they will accuse you of that anyway.
SKYFOX on May 2, 2009 at 10:11 AM
Thanks.
Hope is the thing with feathers
That perches in the soul,
And sings the tune without the words,
And never stops at all . . .
– Emily Dickinson
Loxodonta on May 2, 2009 at 10:27 AM
See, I would put all three of these guys into ONE category. They’re all somewhat annoying and don’t argue points well. Shrill, many times.
I ♥ Rush, though.
Mommypundit on May 2, 2009 at 11:01 AM
I think you are right about that.
Here is my issue:
We talk so much about the “tyranny” of the social cons. They are the “fringe” and pulling the GOP down, etc. Yet, at the same time, we are simultaneously scratching our heads at the degradation of our culture (what parent doesn’t notice this to some degree??) and lament the Left’s control of the Press. Why do we not put two and two together??? The SOCIAL liberals OWN the ENTERTAINMENT MEDIA. Yet, our human nature is all too willing to cede moral ground there and allow ourselves to be swayed and influenced by this arm of their agenda…and we still do not get it.
This is why I say that even when we win, they STILL have won. Because our culture is changing because of our steady diet of their own social liberal entertainment “press.”
Mommypundit on May 2, 2009 at 11:09 AM
I think what the left did to Bush was character assasination and I can’t be for that. I’m not saying coservatives shouldn’t play hardball, I’m just saying there should be rules and regulations. And below the belt character punches shouldn’t be allowed.
terryannonline on May 2, 2009 at 11:21 AM
Yet the majority thinks that “torture” (however defined, I dunno) is justified. You conveniently ignore that.
What does the country think about illegal immigration and gay marriage? Your views are the ones out of the mainstream, way out.
As far as I know, Zogby’s Democrat. You just don’t like the fact that his poll showed Obama voters to be the simpletons they are. And “not objective” and “no credibility”? What about the MSM? They sacrificed whatever shreds of credibility they had left a long time ago in order to get your boy into office. The MSM is nothing more than the information ministry of the DNC, and their audience and readership is reflecting that.
Hmmmm. Sounds like the moonbat tactics of the past 8 years, does it not?
ddrintn on May 2, 2009 at 11:37 AM
Sounds like America under Obama. It’s also precisely why the US’s self-flagellation over waterboarding and other aggressive practices will only engender contempt on the part of the West’s enemies.
pussum207 on May 2, 2009 at 11:40 AM
He is right. Before going to Nam, we were taught that the one of the primary rules was to put down a field of fire that was so intense, the enemy couldn’t stick his head up.
Star20 on May 2, 2009 at 12:13 PM
FTLOG, take the gloves off and beat the ever-living crap out of them.
Starting with the MSM and our college campuses.
bluelightbrigade on May 2, 2009 at 12:37 PM
You aren’t right. You aren’t even wrong.
daesleeper on May 2, 2009 at 12:39 PM
strangelet:
Bush was not bad and stupid, and I think that even most of the people who disagreed with him politically think he is a good and decent man. You are projecting here.You are assuming that if people disagreed with the way things were going they hated the man. They did not, that is just you seeing the world through a narrow vision.
As far as what the nation will find out, we shall see. Personally I think that after Obama gets through screwing things up Bush will start to look better and better.
I realize that you are saying that once the Democrats launch their witch hunts and show trials America will know how horrid Pelosi thinks Bush was. But… in fact most Americans have no desire for that kind of partisan bloodletting. And if you want to try their patience by pandering to anti American foreign courts, and outing CIA interrogators and putting the lives of military personnel in jeopardy by putting pics out there in public designed to trash America…it just might come back on you. Americans just might find out that people like you do not care about anything but punishing the people who do not agree with you.
Terrye on May 2, 2009 at 1:27 PM
And strangelet, finding one poll to back you up does not change the fact that every other poll is not interested. It also does not change the fact that Democrats like Pelosi and Obama had opportunities to cut funding, or pass laws or change what was happening and they chose not to. All this investigation might point is what lying hypocritical people you guys really are.
Terrye on May 2, 2009 at 1:30 PM
In fact here is a CBS poll showing that Americans do not want an investigation. And CBS is not famous for being a right leaning poll either.
Terrye on May 2, 2009 at 1:35 PM
That link did not come through. Here it is again.
Terrye on May 2, 2009 at 1:36 PM
Even in the Pew poll, 51% are for a truth commission. The poll question didn’t even use the word torture.
Besides, you don’t get to decide.
Soldiers are suing.
strangelet on May 2, 2009 at 1:38 PM
I’m superfine with Pelosi going down.
Anyone in Congress that sanctioned torture is fair game.
Obama stopped the practice, and pardoned the lowbies.
Do you think Bush and Cheney will escape censure?
I don’t.
The Torture President.
That is what the history books will say.
strangelet on May 2, 2009 at 1:42 PM
strangelet:
You are a sanctimonious little thing aren’t you? All afire with righteous indignation.
I do not consider waterboarding to be torture. I do consider letting innocent people so that some arrogant little twit can feel all good about themselves to be immoral however.
I think that this is how it works: back in 2001 and 2002 and 2003 etc liberals were worried about getting killed and so they demanded that government do what was necessary to keep them safe and protect them…and then time passed, there were no more attacks, they crawled out from under their beds and decided it was time to make a little political hay of the situation. So they pretended to give a damn, when in fact all of this is about gaining and getting and keeping power. Obviously they do not care about this because if they did more effort would have been made at the time.
So now, they figure we can put pics from years and years ago out there, if we get lucky and a bunch of people get killed we can blame it on Bush. We can have show trials and pretend to morally aghast, if we do so maybe the public will not notice how incompetent we are.
That is what is going on here. So you can find one poll to say one thing, and I can find a poll to say another..the thing you are overlooking in your sanctimonious posturing is that all of this might turn out differently than you want.
Just like Obama locking people up in Afghanistan, or expanding rendition or using military tribunals. It is one thing to shoot your mouth off, it is another to actually be responsible for keeping a nation of 310 million people.
And I do not want to die just satisfy your delicate sensibilities. These terrorists are stone cold murderers, they are not shop lifters.
The history books will say Bush kept America safe in spite of a domestic opposition party determined to say one thing and do another.
Terrye on May 2, 2009 at 1:52 PM
Do I think Bush and Cheney will escape censure? If the Democrats can get away with it….I don’t know. I do know it is about politics and not right and wrong.
Terrye on May 2, 2009 at 1:55 PM
And Obama did not stop the practice you idiot. They have not waterboarded anyone since 2003 and Obama was still in Chicago being a corrupt political thug in those days, he had not even entered the Senate.
And even now Obama has made sure that there is an exception for him, a time and a circumstance in which he can use these measures if he deems necessary. And not only that he still sends people off to countries who do far worse.
So all of that has to be part of any real determination as to whether or not to censure anyone…will Obama’s hands be clean enough?
Terrye on May 2, 2009 at 1:59 PM
Up until most Democrats in Congress end up in the dock. As for super-righteous Obama, how many Pakistani civilians was it he killed?
Maybe, since a lot of history books are written by kooks. The Torture President, along with Mass-Murderer President Truman. But just as we escaped a million extra casualties in WWII, we were never attacked again on Bush’s watch.
ddrintn on May 2, 2009 at 2:03 PM
Your problem is the Abu Ghraib soldiers that are suing Bush.
Amusing that AllahP and Ed are ignoring that particular gorilla in the room.
Saint Reagan signed a treaty, membah?
Im fine with you trying to prove O is implicated in the Bush/Cheney/Bybee torture memos.
Go for it.
strangelet on May 2, 2009 at 2:04 PM
It’s so easy to blame Bush, but I think his worst trait was not defending himself or those on his side. As a commenter from the link said,
(emphasis added)
For the first time in my lifetime, the GOP had control of both houses and the executive branch and they blew it! Why didn’t we get permanent tax cuts? A permanent end to the death tax? Why wasn’t Social Security fixed? Why didn’t we get school vouchers so that we don’t have to pay twice to send our kids to schools that don’t indoctrinate them? Why didn’t we close the border? Why not stop Islamic immigration? Republicans had the votes!!! And what’s with the Kennedy education bill? McCain-Feingold? Prescription drug entitlement? And the GOP wonders why they lost??? As Goldberg writes, “Crazies to the left of me, wimps to the right of me.” They should all be fired, and we should start over with TERM LIMITS!
Christian Conservative on May 2, 2009 at 2:04 PM
The point is, the whole stinking Democrat party is implicated. You want trials? Go for it. Really.
ddrintn on May 2, 2009 at 2:09 PM
I’m with you there, but on the Social Security issue, the Democrats have used it as a club to beat Republicans with for so long that, just as only Nixon could go to China, only the Democrats can do anything about Social Security. And they ain’t doing nuthin’.
ddrintn on May 2, 2009 at 2:12 PM
I don’t think Bush was evil…..but he sure was stupid.
The whole torture thing is evidence that Bush is stupid too.
Bush wasn’t smart enough not to get caught.
strangelet on May 2, 2009 at 2:13 PM
Stop interacting with the Strangelet creature.
Mommypundit on May 2, 2009 at 2:13 PM
We’ll see what genius Barack does with now, won’t we? Bombing Pakistani civilians might not be the smartest thing to do though.
ddrintn on May 2, 2009 at 2:15 PM
It’s OK, just another moonbat trying to masquerade as somehow “normal”. Logic is their enemy, as always.
ddrintn on May 2, 2009 at 2:16 PM
Bring it!
Let’s rumble.
strangelet on May 2, 2009 at 2:19 PM
A quote from which you might ponder a little:
Say, what’s righteous Barack’s position on that human rights disaster known as Gitmo today?
ddrintn on May 2, 2009 at 2:33 PM
strangelet:
You are so full of it. The truth is if people like you have your way no country in the world would sign a treaty with the US that involved national security. No country would risk their own security so that some loud mouth like you could get them killed or compromised.
You think that anything that even discomforts terrorists is torture and yet you do not bear the responsibility for keeping the American people safe. Presidents do. You can strut and preen all you want.
You are assuming that if the Democrats do this, they will cover for their own and you are okay with that. You know that they will not bring any kind of investigation they can not control so you can say lets rumble, but you know we won’t. You know that no matter how culpable the Demcorats are they will cover their own asses, and that is fine with you. You do not now, nor have you ever really given a damn about torture. It is all a show.
Terrye on May 2, 2009 at 2:34 PM
strangelet:
Obama is doing the same thing in Afghanistan that Bush did and if the Democrats had dealt with that issue a decade ago, we would not need to today, so was Clinton stupid?
You are just a simple minded partisan Democrat talking the talk.
Terrye on May 2, 2009 at 2:37 PM
Christian Conservative:
I think Bush thought the office of the President was above all that. He might have been wrong in some ways, but since Obama has taken office and acted like he won American Idol rather than the White House I have to say I miss some of that dignity. Especially when Obama starts smirking at Tea Party protesters. Bush did not do that to anti war people.
Terrye on May 2, 2009 at 2:39 PM
And you know something strangelet, your chronology is off. The US Senate, dominated by Democrats voted to give the President authority to invade Iraq more than a year after we went into Afghanistan. In that year Democrats did not do or say anything that would lead anyone to believe that their policy in Afghanistan was any different from Bush’s. They did not ask for more troops to be sent in or anything else. The whole idea of not doing enough in Afghanistan vs Iraq came much later when Iraq war opponents were looking for something to complain about.
Terrye on May 2, 2009 at 2:43 PM
I was a republican, and torture, hESCR, and Iraq are some of things that made me vote for Obama.
Like most of my demographic.
A truth commission is going to be bloodbath for the GOP.
Two reasons–
1) Abu Ghraib soldiers lawsuit.
2) Half of the intelligentsia of the GOP agrees that Bush and Cheney institutionalized a secret torture program that violated the treaty Reagan signed off on.
strangelet on May 2, 2009 at 2:44 PM
A truth commission will also tell us how many of those suddenly-sanctimonius Democrats were in the loop. Which is why there probably won’t be one, after they’ve reflected on it long and hard. Ex post facto law. Why, some day attempts to instituite Card Check and nationalized health care could be called treason. A slippery slope I don’t think the left wants to try, if they have any intelligence at all.
ddrintn on May 2, 2009 at 2:47 PM
There will be one.
Just watch.
strangelet on May 2, 2009 at 3:39 PM
strangelet:
I doubt that, and if there is it might not turn out like you want. Imagine when all those memos are released and it turns out that thousands of lives were saved. Then what? Will you wish them all dead?
The problem with people like you is that is all a game to you. You do not know or care about the repercussions. If these attacks are not stopped and people die here, on our soil there will be retribution. The only way to save lives is to stop the attacks before they happen.
I think that interrogators are always trying to find new and better ways to get information without killing people.
If there is an investigation, Bush might not be the torture President, he could be the president who saved thousands of lives in spite of people like you.
Terrye on May 2, 2009 at 3:44 PM
BTW, I don’t believe you were ever Republican and if you really give a damn about embryonic stem cell research you would give Bush credit for being the first president that ever gave any federal funding to it all and he never outlawed it or anything of the kind. The Abu Ghraib law suit is ridiculous. And I think you must be very young, otherwise you would know that nothing that is done today can compare to the kind of interrogation that took place for decades during the cold war. Somehow people like you kept quiet about it when you saw no political advantage in pursuing it.
Terrye on May 2, 2009 at 3:48 PM
ddrintn:
Not only that someday there might be a commission to find if the Obama administration broke the law in regards to TARP. There might be people who think that attorneys who gave sanction to the bailouts were not only wrong, but should be prosecuted.
Terrye on May 2, 2009 at 3:50 PM
And btw strangelet, Bush is and was a pro life Republican, anyone who says he used to be a Republican should understand that Bush’s stand on embryonic stem cell research was in keeping with his party’s policy. And besides, I think that adult stem cells have thus far shown more promise for real usable treatments, however if private research groups can make a lot of money off of this research, there is nothing to stop them. Where are the donors?
Terrye on May 2, 2009 at 3:59 PM
Do you know what I really love about America?
Proof by lawsuit.
No other country in the world could have exposed the pederast priests.
strangelet on May 2, 2009 at 4:16 PM
I hope strangelove lives in DC or NYC, and gets the full ‘benefits’ of the bend-over-for-the-muslims president!!
let the blue-devils live, and die, with their good liberal beliefs…
if another blue area gets hit, I won’t shed a tear, and I sure as hell won’t go to defend this country…let the libs defend THEIR country…hell with em…
right4life on May 2, 2009 at 4:18 PM
you know what I really like? people like you are going to be paying for people like me for a long time to come…I’m in good shape, and will probably live a long time…using YOUR MONEY!!!!!! HAAHAHAHAHHAAHA
I’m gonna get as much Social security and medicare as I can…..while good little liberal stooges like you work your a** off just to give ME MONEY!!
work hard, honey!!!
right4life on May 2, 2009 at 4:20 PM
Well I am for that. That is of course if the Leftists had any character left to assassinate.
I say take everything they’ve done and put it under the spotlight and microscope simultaneously. They put themselves up for the image of saint. Let’s see how they stack up.
Point is: Obama’s a Chicago gangland thug. An arm of the outfit. Nothing less. To treat him like nothing less is to be dishonest.
So let’s treat him like one already! Let’s look at what he’s done. Let’s look at the possible connections. Treat him the same way that a zealous DA would look at a man with possible mob connections. And when we find something: drag him to the court of public opinion and the mercy of the jury there.
Chaz706 on May 2, 2009 at 5:26 PM
Wanna bet? Obama’s playing his moonbat base. Outside of left wing blogs, the Truth Commission will quietly fade.
ddrintn on May 2, 2009 at 5:30 PM
Read my lips.
Proof by lawsuit.
Even the might of the Catholic Church couldn’t trump proof by lawsuit.
Bush and Cheney are going down.
strangelet on May 2, 2009 at 5:52 PM
LOL, OK. And the Right will remember very vividly ex post facto law and the criminalization of policy differences after the fact. It’s no wonder lefties are considered masters of unintended consequences.
ddrintn on May 2, 2009 at 5:55 PM
/shrug
its fine wid meh.
I want it to stop.
MY country doesn’t torture.
strangelet on May 2, 2009 at 6:13 PM
Let it come out at some point in the future that someone in the Obama administration had authorized the waterboarding of militia members and other assorted “domestic right-wing threats”, and you wouldn’t bat an eye.
ddrintn on May 2, 2009 at 6:44 PM
Liar.
I’m Alyosha.
Torture is always wrong.
strangelet on May 2, 2009 at 6:47 PM
Uh-huh.
ddrintn on May 2, 2009 at 6:50 PM
I swear strangelet sounds more like getalife every day.
The obvious thing is that George Bush said the same thing, the US does not torture. And here strangelet is saying the same thing Bush did while calling him all sorts of names in the process.
I think the lawsuit is nonsense. I think what strangelet is partisan nonsense. And I think the depth of strangelet’s hatred and need to be vindictive is mind boggling.
Terrye on May 2, 2009 at 7:12 PM
stranglet:
Ireland exposed priests too, that goes to show what you know. Anyone can bring a lawsuit for anything. Hell there were people bringing lawsuits to prove that Obama is not an American citizen too. So what?
Terrye on May 2, 2009 at 7:13 PM
I think there is a better chance that Obama will be dragged into Blago’s crimes than there are that Bush and Cheney will face censure.
After all, the same CIA and military that operated under Bush and Cheney is still out there. They are still risking their lives. I doubt very much if Obama wants to go after the very people he depends on everyday, especially when the whole issue is partisan driven crap anyway.
I think he is jerking you around strangelet. Just like the military tribunals, etc. He is laughing his ass off at people like you.
Sucker!!
Terrye on May 2, 2009 at 7:18 PM
Oh that isn’t true. After all, aren’t our liberals friends doing their best to get Bill Clinton arrested for his use of “extraordinary rendition”?
18-1 on May 2, 2009 at 8:52 PM
Bwahahahahaha!
The trainable retard Graner and his “love” accomplice, sub-moron Lindy England, ain’t gonna “bring down” Bush and Cheney!
Graner and England did those naked pyramids at Abu Ghraib all on their own.
Jenfidel on May 4, 2009 at 6:58 AM
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