This bikini contestant’s breast implants were paid for by the pageant. – Dave Rywall on May 1, 2009 at 12:45 PM

I heard that while watching O’Rielly last night. Before then I thought it was a bad joke. The commentator also said that she may have violated her contract with the Miss California organization by making this commercial.

Quick – someone make her a spokesperson for self-esteem for young girls.

Bubba Redneck on April 30, 2009 at 9:15 PM

I like the way you think.

DougDavis on May 1, 2009 at 9:27 AM

That’s an incredibly weak argument used by you and even many churches today. It fails a simple test of theology, even though it’s probably even taught at some seminaries today.

If you believe the words of the Bible, you believe that you are created in God’s image. You also believe that, when Adam sinned, all of mankind sinned, and even creation itself got altered to be disposed toward sin. (Read Romans 1 through Romans 5). As such, it’s perfectly reasonable to believe science when it says that we are hardwired to want to behave against the laws of nature (sin, for Christian context) in various ways.

It is thereby easy to argue against the gay marriage supporters who use the Bible to argue exactly the way you have. I am by no means comparing behaviors here in my next argument (so please don’t go there!), but it’s also been genetically proven that some people are particularly predisposed to alcoholism.

You don’t seriously believe that it is okay to be addicted to alcohol because God made some people predisposed to be that way, right? Society has a right to control alcoholic behavior, especially as it impacts public life. Similarly, as an act of the public, I think it’s perfectly reasonable for society to insist that equal rights toward gays regarding marriage means that all people, gay, or straight, have the equal right to marry someone of the opposite sex.

Given the vagaries of our legal system and the seeming inevitability of this issue, the only real way out of this mess that I see is to separate terminology. Society will be in the business of joining people by civil union for tax purposes, and religious institutions will be in the business of marriage. There is supposedly that “wall of separation between church and state,” after all, so what business does the state have in “marrying” people, a traditionally religious act? Everyone would have to go through the state process, but the state, honoring such separation, would be forbidden from using the word “marriage” as a part of its process… for ANY couple.

If you don’t let him in, you are a biggot.

Bubba Redneck on April 30, 2009 at 8:45 PM

It looks like you get it. To me, gay marrage is rediculous. If gays want to live together in a union, thats fine. But homosextuals getting married is really creepy. It looks and feels wrong to transform marrage into some perverted sharade. Its like wanting to refer to a duck calling champion as a musician.

Christina_M on April 30, 2009 at 5:30 PM

Even if BEING gay is not a choice, ACTING gay is. Seeing as sexual activity as a phenomenon is practically assumed for couples of all preferences these days, this important distinction is often overlooked. I think we can attach this meaning to Ms. Prejean’s words or anyone else’s similar statement.

Ah yes, THIS again. Another useful idiot who thinks that you’re born as a ’sex zombie’ with no choice whom you screw.

Dark-Star on May 1, 2009 at 9:47 AM

Someone who is homosexual can remain celibate and lie about his or her sexuality to everyone that asks in order to make you feel better. But, then that would be quite a sad and sorry life.

She stated being gay is a choice. After she said that, I lost all respect for her.

Christina_M on April 30, 2009 at 5:30 PM

Ah yes, THIS again. Another useful idiot who thinks that you’re born as a ‘sex zombie’ with no choice whom you screw.

What she says in Hengler’s clip about government making it unacceptable to even espouse such views isn’t terribly far-fetched, though: Britain’s well down the road towards granting this subject thoughtcrime status.

What? And you think America isn’t?

We are not communicating well, mainly because people are not hearing what we say. We say one thing but they hear “We hate gays”- mainly because of gay propaganda, but crying to the ump that it’s not fair ain’t gonna help us.

I find this is the best way to break though and get people to actually listen to me on the subject:

“We don’t disagree on gay marriage because I think gays are bad people, while you think they aren’t. We disagree because you think marriage is primarily about love, and I don’t think it is.”

At that point they finally start listening instead of just hearing “I hate gays” when I try to present my arguments.

That way I can finally get through to them and explain that I think love is important in marriage, but that the primary purpose of marriage is to get men to commit to the raising of children with their female mate. In other words the purpose of marriage is to protect the interests of children and women. That means gender is intrinsic to marriage.

Protecting these interests are beneficial to society which is why the government has any business interfering in the marriage business. If marriage is merely about love, then why does the government have any business being involved at all? Who is the government to tell us who we can and can not love legitimately?

My objection isn’t that the idea of two men being married is “squick”. My objection is that marriage isn’t marriage if it doesn’t involve a husband committing himself to a wife.

While I rarely convert anybody, it does make people stop and think. And usually they agree afterward that opposing gay marriage doesn’t make you a bigot- which is a big step in the right direction.

It wasn’t until right after college that I starting hitting the clubs and bars…and realized THIS is me!

Wow an appeal to base desires. How 21st century. /s

To say “gay” is a choice is like saying someone “chose” to be a specific race…or “chose” to be born handicapped. Or anything else you can think of.

People don’t chose to be alcoholics…people don’t chose to be lactose intolerant ( imho worse than being an alcoholic…I mean, everything good and tasty has milk involved…well ok 90% everything good and tasty )

As far as equating it to being a handicap, let the record show that you compared being gay to having a defect…call the hate police!
As far as it being the same as skin color? Come on…like I said, sexual attraction is a weak argument when given the fact that the hand can turn on certain parts. Marriage isn’t about sex, it is about the family. You want to have sex with the guys…go ahead, I won’t stop you, stone you, or hate you. Just know that with every relationship you choose to go to the next level, and have sex, that is a choice…much like that alcoholic who is so attracted to that beverage on ice.

I equated gay with alcoholism because of the argument of a gene made me do it.

As far as Gay Marriage leading the way for other non-standard marriages…it isn’t much of a logical leap…though personally I don’t have a problem with plural marriage, as that has Biblical roots. But marrying your sister, daughter, dog…why draw the line there and not with two ladies or dudes? Why do you judge these poor people born that way?

For the record, I don’t really care who is gay or what not…as long as it doesn’t involve kids ( I know, even that is subjective…when does adulthood begin? for now we will say 18…but I’m a hate monger ) and as long as you don’t try and force me to accept it, ( tolerate it sure, I can do that…accept it, not so much, I don’t make the rules ). I am set against hate crimes, all crimes are “hateful” and I am against gay marriage. But if you want to the rest of your days with a guy, more power to ya, I don’t care. Just don’t try to adopt kids, as I think there are plenty of households with a man and a woman in the parental role that are willing to adopt, and kids need a father and a mother….once kids get involved, its no longer an issue of two consenting adults doing the funky monkey when it suites them.
And for the record, I don’t think straight people take marriage seriously enough either….I mean come on people…50% divorce rate? Sure some of those are repeaters, but still.

This is ONLY about gay marriage, as that issue is. Nothing else.

All you have to do is look at the progression of lawsuits in the last 30 years on any kind of social issue to realize that nothing is ever “it.” With each ruling there is a next case to push the limits even further.

Like it or not, changing the definition of marriage from what it has historically been will not be enough for some. If you don’t think there are people waiting to change the definitions of “consenting” and “adult” then you’re not facing the world as it is today.

And no, I didn’t just equate homosexuals and pedophiles.

Conservative Voice on April 30, 2009 at 9:16 PM

Y’all need to stop putting “gay” in with “alcoholic”, etc…and people who put “gay marriage will lead to polygamy and bestiality too” out there need to stop as well.

This is ONLY about gay marriage, as that issue is. Nothing else.

And “gay” in general isn’t a mental disorder. Is there a “gay gene”? Who knows…I’m here, I’m gay, I knew it all my life. So I’m saying “yes”.

To say “gay” is a choice is like saying someone “chose” to be a specific race…or “chose” to be born handicapped. Or anything else you can think of.

“Gay” just is. Period.

Jet, so do you find the opposite repulsive? Are you saying it is impossible to be aroused with the opposite sex?

Of course not. I know a hot chick when I see one, much the same you know a good looking dude when you see one.

I dated girls, and yes…even “did the deed” with them…through high school and college. All I was doing was hiding who I was. It wasn’t until right after college that I starting hitting the clubs and bars…and realized THIS is me!

I did “choose” to act straight. But all along, I never was.

And so I refused to live my life as a lie.

MichiganMatt on April 30, 2009 at 9:25 PM

Yes, male and female together make better parents than same sex parents. My wife and I counter-balance each other’s flaws (Though I’m told all the flaws are mine).

Christian churches don’t have to married divorced people or perform interfaith marriages. They aren’t legally forced to have female ministers–despite NOW’s wishes.