Video: Miss California’s ad against gay marriage

posted at 4:29 pm on April 30, 2009 by Allahpundit

In which the new “queen of the GOP” becomes the new face of traditional values. When the National Organization for Marriage said she was coming on board, I thought they meant she was going to cut a spot for them. Nope: This is just pageant footage, although she did show up at their presser today to promote the cause. Watch Greg Hengler’s video of her comments. Interestingly, both there and in the ad itself, the focus is less on making the case against gay marriage than on highlighting the shrillness and nastiness of its proponents. Whether that’s because the former is a losing battle or because they’ve gained some sympathy even among gay-marriage supporters after the way she’s been treated, I don’t know. What she says in Hengler’s clip about government making it unacceptable to even espouse such views isn’t terribly far-fetched, though: Britain’s well down the road towards granting this subject thoughtcrime status.

Click the image to watch the ad. Below that you’ll find her appearance this morning on “Today” to promote it, which ends with a question about Palin — and a surprisingly tepid answer, given what we know about Miss Cali. Note well the statement from the pageant committee scolding her for taking a stand on such a “divisive” topic, which of course they never would have done had she taken the opposite, politically correc view of it. Remind me again about this very divisive topic — whose side of the debate does the majority of the state she represents take?

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The new Palin? That’s a bit of a stretch.

But she does have potential.

UltimateBob on April 30, 2009 at 4:31 PM

Note well the statement from the pageant committee scolding her for taking a stand on such a “divisive” topic, which of course would never have done if she’d taken the opposite view of it. Remind me again about this very divisive topic, on which side of the debate does the majority of the state she represents come down?

A topic that the pageant committee approved, I understand. Reasonable when asked, divisive when responded. Par.

Repurblican on April 30, 2009 at 4:34 PM

Remind me again about this very divisive topic, on which side of the debate does the majority of the state she represents come down?

I believe it’s the same side Dear Leader is on.

rbj on April 30, 2009 at 4:34 PM

the “new Palin”…

yah…ah huh…right….

alexraye on April 30, 2009 at 4:35 PM

They try and drag Palin into that? How desperate.

Firebird on April 30, 2009 at 4:36 PM

Reading Stacey McCain, beware the Road to Damascus moment that will happen in a month or two.

joeindc44 on April 30, 2009 at 4:38 PM

This woman has an opinion that differs from the Elites?

SHE MUST BE DESTROYED.

portlandon on April 30, 2009 at 4:39 PM

They try and drag Palin into that? How desperate.

Firebird on April 30, 2009 at 4:36 PM

Olby is doing a piece on Prejean giving birth to Trig, with commentary by Andrew Sullivan.

portlandon on April 30, 2009 at 4:40 PM

Reading Stacey McCain, beware the Road to Damascus moment that will happen in a month or two.

joeindc44 on April 30, 2009 at 4:38 PM

Eeenteresting.

BadgerHawk on April 30, 2009 at 4:43 PM

uh yeah, someone of her stature would not be so far into the pro-marriage camp if she was a mole or anything.

ousoonerfan15 on April 30, 2009 at 4:45 PM

“House Passes Bill Giving Gays New Protections”

……….. I think these two trains are about to collide.

Seven Percent Solution on April 30, 2009 at 4:46 PM

Thought crimes! I declare this blog as a thought crime.

lorien1973 on April 30, 2009 at 4:47 PM

I thought it was Meghan McCain…

But Miss California is far better.

Canerican on April 30, 2009 at 4:48 PM

joeindc44 on April 30, 2009 at 4:38 PM

That’s a tin-foil-hat speculation if ever there was one.

HuskerNate on April 30, 2009 at 4:49 PM

agh, look at this tripe. I really don’t people in my age group…

http://community.livejournal.com/ohnotheydidnt/34676092.html

99% of their comments are some variation of:

“omg, she’s so disgusting. she’s causing hate crimes, omg, omg, omg. she’s evil. i want to kick her in the face. she should get swine flu. her boobs are ugly. she looks like a tranny. the poor gays. she needs to be stopped! she’s such a c*nt”

Smoothies on April 30, 2009 at 4:54 PM

I wish she would have said “Matt, as you know, your network is a bold supporter of Obama, and Im happy to side with you by agreeing with his position on this”

malkinmania on April 30, 2009 at 4:55 PM

It seems this real lady has a stronger clarity in expressing conservative values than does Me again Mccain.

seven on April 30, 2009 at 4:56 PM

the focus is less on making the case against gay marriage than on highlighting the shrillness and nastiness of its proponents. Whether that’s because the former is a losing battle or because they’ve gained some sympathy even among gay-marriage supporters after the way she’s been treated, I don’t know

As you said, Allah, CA voted yes for Prop 8. Don’t think that the former is a losing battle. But we are all tired of being bullied by the gay activists and Hollywood and the MSM. And if gay marriage is passed universally, expect even more hate toward the church and those who opposed gay marriage.

Christian Conservative on April 30, 2009 at 4:56 PM

I was kinda disappointed she laughed off the Palin comparison, saying being in a beauty pageant was all they had in common. Really? Palin’s politics aren’t perfect but I hope that’s not all you guys have in common…

Patriot33 on April 30, 2009 at 5:00 PM

She is so gracious in her responses. That is what drives them nuts.

PrincipledPilgrim on April 30, 2009 at 5:01 PM

The new Palin, pulease AP.

You can do better than that.

This broad got free implants from the Miss Cali committee so let’s not hold her up as some paragon of virtue.

She’s as bad as Megham McCain, but thinner.

omnipotent on April 30, 2009 at 5:02 PM

…”her boobs are ugly.”

Smoothies on April 30, 2009 at 4:54 PM

Can anyone help out a geographically and culturally isolated compatriot and provide links to evidence supporting this assertion?

DarkCurrent on April 30, 2009 at 5:05 PM

Even Miss Prejean thinks the Palin comparison is laughable.

Guardian on April 30, 2009 at 5:06 PM

If she had won, she would have lost control of her agenda, her appearances, her viewpoints and privacy.
Her contract and control ended when she lost. If number 1 trips and get’s canned, trump will have a problem.

Just a note to Matt Lauer and Hot air. her franchise is Miss california USA. She is not the ordinary Miss California which is a contestant in the Miss America contest.

seven on April 30, 2009 at 5:07 PM

She will be destroyed by the media, just like Palin was.

Brat on April 30, 2009 at 5:08 PM

both there and in the ad itself, the focus is less on making the case against gay marriage than on highlighting the shrillness and nastiness of its proponents. Whether that’s because the former is a losing battle or

We know you’re no social conservative, but this statement has been proven false by one of the most liberal states in the country. Don’t try to lie to us trying to push your own flavor of conservatism.

Kelligan on April 30, 2009 at 5:10 PM

She will be destroyed by the media, just like Palin was.

Brat on April 30, 2009 at 5:08 PM

1. Palin was maligned, not destroyed.

2. There’s something to be said about people who fight back against a perverted system (intentional pun)

bluelightbrigade on April 30, 2009 at 5:13 PM

Damn, a woman with an opinion! Jeeez, next thing you know they’ll want the vote. Better stop her now. Get Carville on the phone,QUICK.

faol on April 30, 2009 at 5:14 PM

Hate crime bill passed by the House yesterday. In Sweden, similar laws have caused the arrests or intimidation of pastors and those who refuse to support the gay lifestyle. Hate crime laws are tolerant of everyone except the church.

On another subject, as has been acknowledged by other HA commenters, Carrie has another thing in common with Sarah besides being a beauty queen, graciousness.

Christian Conservative on April 30, 2009 at 5:17 PM

Will the Miss California committee ask for their implants back?

SnarkVader on April 30, 2009 at 5:17 PM

If the jackasses don’t like the answer then don’t ask the question. This is nothing more than oppression against this woman and she should not give one inch.

rplat on April 30, 2009 at 5:20 PM

As you said, Allah, CA voted yes for Prop 8. Don’t think that the former is a losing battle. But we are all tired of being bullied by the gay activists and Hollywood and the MSM. And if gay marriage is passed universally, expect even more hate toward the church and those who opposed gay marriage.

Christian Conservative on April 30, 2009 at 4:56 PM

More than 6 million people voted against prop 8. They weren’t all against the church. More than 60% of voters 30 and younger voted against prop 8. Unless they change their minds with age, the 5% difference in the vote could be different next time.

dedalus on April 30, 2009 at 5:21 PM

Hate crime bill passed by the House yesterday. In Sweden, similar laws have caused the arrests or intimidation of pastors and those who refuse to support the gay lifestyle. Hate crime laws are tolerant of everyone except the church.

This country is on the road to absolute rebellion and chaos.

rplat on April 30, 2009 at 5:21 PM

The new Palin?

Well she is kinda hot and can’t speak in complete sentences when asked a relatively easy question, so I’d say yes.

lolwut on April 30, 2009 at 5:25 PM

Nah.

(Liz) Cheney/Palin 2012.

Daggett on April 30, 2009 at 5:28 PM

SnarkVader on April 30, 2009 at 5:17 PM

Only if Joe Biden has to get rid of his.

bluelightbrigade on April 30, 2009 at 5:29 PM

Hilton has experience with things exploding in his face. And his question and Miss CA’s answer exploded in his face as well.

Has he not heard the adage, “Never ask a question that you don’t already know the answer to”?

BuckeyeSam on April 30, 2009 at 5:29 PM

She stated being gay is a choice. After she said that, I lost all respect for her.

Christina_M on April 30, 2009 at 5:30 PM

uh…. it is a choice. Not something you are born with

ousoonerfan15 on April 30, 2009 at 5:33 PM

Has he not heard the adage, “Never ask a question that you don’t already know the answer to”?

BuckeyeSam on April 30, 2009 at 5:29 PM

Problem is that in his mind he did know the “correct” answer to his question. The model of openmindedness. /gag

Scrappy on April 30, 2009 at 5:37 PM

Carrie Prejan is a beautiful woman, with some talent, and a pleasant personality. If she hadn’t been set up by Perez Hilton’s question, then attacked for her conservative answer, she’d almost certainly be out of the headlines.

At this point, everyone involved seems to be attempting to profit from the publicity incited by Hilton’s abusive and intolerant drama. This includes Miss Prejan. If pageant officials attack her again, the publicity, drama, and profiteering will continue.

I hope Miss Prejan can devote enough time to actually have a traditional marriage with a good man, have some babies, and raise them well.

Loxodonta on April 30, 2009 at 5:38 PM

I’ll slit my wrists before I start calling some guy somebody’s wife. Blech.

Blake on April 30, 2009 at 5:39 PM

Will the Miss California committee ask for their implants back?

SnarkVader on April 30, 2009 at 5:17 PM

Are you suggesting that the Miss California comittee gave her breast implants specifically for her to have a pro-gay marriage stance?

Scrappy on April 30, 2009 at 5:39 PM

ousoonerfan15 on April 30, 2009 at 5:33 PM

when did you decide to be straight?

lolwut on April 30, 2009 at 5:41 PM

She stated being gay is a choice. After she said that, I lost all respect for her.

Christina_M on April 30, 2009 at 5:30 PM

Being a beauty contestant is a choice. Being an evangelical Christian is a choice. Being gay is not a choice. Perez Hilton is a jackass.

SC.Charlie on April 30, 2009 at 5:43 PM

Are you suggesting that the Miss California comittee gave her breast implants specifically for her to have a pro-gay marriage stance?

Scrappy on April 30, 2009 at 5:39 PM

Yes. That’s exactly what I’m suggesting.

/sarc

SnarkVader on April 30, 2009 at 5:47 PM

Interestingly, both there and in the ad itself, the focus is less on making the case against gay marriage than on highlighting the shrillness and nastiness of its proponents.

Eschewing the shrill nasty attacks from gay activists on everyone’s freedom of speech is a point that every responsible person should make, regardless.

Matt can hold his fire before telling anyone else what to do. Prejean’s personable response certainly turned his cue into a wet noodle.

Palin, Prejean. Right, both names begin with the same letter, and they are both beautiful heterosexual women who have enough class to stand up for their beliefs. They MUST be the same person. /s

maverick muse on April 30, 2009 at 5:51 PM

when did you decide to be straight?

lolwut on April 30, 2009 at 5:41 PM

About the same time that evolution created a system of opposite gender reproduction… so many millions of years ago.

Or wait, did evolution come up with some way for gay people to reproduce too?

Scrappy on April 30, 2009 at 5:52 PM

when did you decide to be straight?

lolwut on April 30, 2009 at 5:41 PM

If being gay is genetic how does it still exist? Gay people cannot reproduce. So if it was built into them, the first mutation of whatever gene you claim causes this would have ‘Darwined’ itself out of existence every time it popped up.

Kelligan on April 30, 2009 at 5:54 PM

Scrappy on April 30, 2009 at 5:52 PM

But I repeat yourself =p

Kelligan on April 30, 2009 at 5:55 PM

If being gay is genetic how does it still exist? Gay people cannot reproduce. So if it was built into them, the first mutation of whatever gene you claim causes this would have ‘Darwined’ itself out of existence every time it popped up.

Kelligan on April 30, 2009 at 5:54 PM

Gays reproduce all the time. Just not with each other.

SnarkVader on April 30, 2009 at 5:56 PM

Gays reproduce all the time. Just not with each other.

SnarkVader on April 30, 2009 at 5:56 PM

so in that case they chose to be straight? /wink

Scrappy on April 30, 2009 at 5:57 PM

Given the fact that Palin took the stimulus money, and Ms California spoke against the bail outs and such…seems to me she is right of Palin, and Palin isn’t as conservative as people here make her out to be.

Conservative Voice on April 30, 2009 at 5:58 PM

Loxodonta on April 30, 2009 at 5:38 PM

She could pursue more education to broaden her knowledge. She certainly is congenial, and makes a good role model for pageant girls.

As is, she took a lot of abuse from the media who do owe her an apology that she’ll never get. She’s reiterating her right to her opinion. Though gracious, she’s no orator.

maverick muse on April 30, 2009 at 5:58 PM

If being gay is not a choice, then why are the majority of identical twins of gays, not gay themselves? Why are there 1,000s of people who claim to be ex-gays?

mydh12 on April 30, 2009 at 5:59 PM

Conservative Voice on April 30, 2009 at 5:58 PM

Make your delineations between the established system of federal taxation and funding vs. the conglomerated bottomless Obama pit that sinks infinitely beyond how things have been for years.

maverick muse on April 30, 2009 at 6:01 PM

Is Matt smitten with Miss Carrie? His tone with her seems a little softer than it usually is.

pugwriter on April 30, 2009 at 6:04 PM

mydh12 on April 30, 2009 at 5:59 PM

or why do people call themselves bi? How is it both a lifestyle choice, and genetics?

And is it impossible for a gay person to not be turned on by the opposite sex?
Or how about the cases of kidnapped girls who are continually raped, who fall in love with their captures? Could it be that when sex is involved, even if it is undesirable at first, it becomes something the body confuses as good?

Conservative Voice on April 30, 2009 at 6:05 PM

What I like about Ms California is she seems pretty fearless and she’s on the attack real quick here.

Why is that? Dunno. Hopefully it’s because she really believes in the things she’s saying and sees this as God’s way of telling her what she needs to be doing with her life.

HOPEFULLY IT’S NOT BECAUSE she sees this as an opportunity for fame and fortune dropped into her lap.

So let’s watch her. She is not the next Palin because she has not run the gauntlett of hell that Palin was forced to run through. Ms California has some dues to pay to get to that level.

Ideally – I hope she’s sincere. And I hope she stays on the attack. If this is all true – she will inspire Republicans and Conservatives to go on the attack again.

HondaV65 on April 30, 2009 at 6:06 PM

maverick muse on April 30, 2009 at 6:01 PM

It isn’t hard to be more conservative and responsible than Obama. As McCain is more right than President Obama, but I wouldn’t claim McCain is conservative.

Conservative Voice on April 30, 2009 at 6:07 PM

so in that case they chose to be straight? /wink

Scrappy on April 30, 2009 at 5:57 PM

More like choosing to stay in the closet.

SnarkVader on April 30, 2009 at 6:09 PM

If being gay is not a choice, then why are the majority of identical twins of gays, not gay themselves? Why are there 1,000s of people who claim to be ex-gays?

mydh12 on April 30, 2009 at 5:59 PM

Kelly McGillis, the actress, came out of the closet today at the tender age of 51 after two failed marriages and two children. If you have the time read about what she has to say.

SC.Charlie on April 30, 2009 at 6:15 PM

I think the whole argument of nature vs. nurture is a non-issue in reference to homosexuality. Even if born that way, it in no way validates the lifestyle in the eyes of society. They want to use this issue to thumb their noses at religeous groups by saying “God made them that way”, and to somehow equate themselves with the racial equality movement. It is interesting how on the one hand people champion how we humans are able to surpass our genetic limitations, yet the homosexuals try so hard to prove they are slaves to their genetic makeup.

If a gene that causes homosexuality is ever really found, what would they say if a “cure” is found by gene treatment.

AverageJoe on April 30, 2009 at 6:19 PM

SC.Charlie on April 30, 2009 at 6:15 PM

and many “straights” divorce after two failed marriages and children…so?

here is the thing, its called commitment. When we had arrange marriages, couples learned to love and appreciate each other, because divorce wasn’t an option.

Conservative Voice on April 30, 2009 at 6:19 PM

Conservative Voice on April 30, 2009 at 6:19 PM

including many gays back in the day of arranged marriages. Todays people tend to give up too easily.

Conservative Voice on April 30, 2009 at 6:21 PM

Just like when Rudolf Hess saw P51s over Berlin and knew it was time to give it up, the Dems need to get a clue, when the Women join the fight against you, its time for the fork test cause..your done.

Speakup on April 30, 2009 at 6:30 PM

maverick muse on April 30, 2009 at 5:58 PM

Agreed with everything you said. I just hope she devotes herself to getting a good education, marriage and family, instead of simply cashing in.

Loxodonta on April 30, 2009 at 6:31 PM

If a gene that causes homosexuality is ever really found, what would they say if a “cure” is found by gene treatment.

AverageJoe on April 30, 2009 at 6:19 PM

There is always the abortion option, if they come up with a genetic test. Gays just don’t know what there place anymore, right?

SC.Charlie on April 30, 2009 at 6:37 PM

The new Palin, pulease AP.

You can do better than that.

This broad got free implants from the Miss Cali committee so let’s not hold her up as some paragon of virtue.

She’s as bad as Megham McCain, but thinner.

omnipotent on April 30, 2009 at 5:02 PM

Thank you. Sarah Palin worked her way up from housewife to governor, and fought very powerful and corrupt politiicans the whole way.

This ditz is a plastic bubble headed bleached blonde. Don’t insult accomplished women by comparing them to this gal.

funky chicken on April 30, 2009 at 6:38 PM

Unless they change their minds with age, the 5% difference in the vote could be different next time.

dedalus on April 30, 2009 at 5:21 PM

Actually, most people do change their minds with age. That’s why all the talk of the youth vote is generally overrated. Not only are they unreliable as youth, their views more often than not change with age and experience.

when did you decide to be straight?

lolwut on April 30, 2009 at 5:41 PM

That’s a ridiculous question.

When did Edward Smith decide to be interested in cars?

When did Eija Riita Berliner-Mauer decide to become an objectum-sexual?

I’m not saying that I know homosexuality is a choice, but those are horrible arguments to try and prove it. So is saying that no one would choose to be gay because of all the hardship that comes with it. People who have sex with cars and buildings likely feel the same, and yet I doubt anyone here would try to defend them.

Furthermore, if anyone has the argument that their life has been made worse for a sexual attraction, it’s pedophiles, who are the lowest of the low in our society. Many of them likewise claim they never wanted this, many even choosing to be chemically castrated rather than risking a repeat.

And yet, I rarely hear anyone argue that they were born that way, but who would choose to be interested in children? Anyone?

Again, I’m not even arguing that people aren’t born that way. I just don’t buy the arguments people use to try and prove it, if only because I know most people, wouldn’t buy it from any one with a different sexual taboo.

Esthier on April 30, 2009 at 6:38 PM

SC.Charlie on April 30, 2009 at 6:37 PM

what? This is intellectually dishonest to the extreme. I don’t know any conservative that advocates we should abort gays if the gene is found, or advocates rounding up the gays and kill them like Hitler did the Gays and the Jews and handicapped.

Conservative Voice on April 30, 2009 at 6:40 PM

Conservative Voice on April 30, 2009 at 6:40 PM

And note, Hitler was a Socialist…ie a lefty.

Conservative Voice on April 30, 2009 at 6:41 PM

Agreed with everything you said. I just hope she devotes herself to getting a good education, marriage and family, instead of simply cashing in.- Loxodonta on April 30, 2009 at 6:31 PM

I think she is making a mistake with her current direction. But, then, that is her choice. I do wish her the best that life has to offer.

SC.Charlie on April 30, 2009 at 6:42 PM

This ditz is a plastic bubble headed bleached blonde. Don’t insult accomplished women by comparing them to this gal.

funky chicken on April 30, 2009 at 6:38 PM

where is the love? Lets not judge Miss California just because she is a beauty contestant, anymore the left shouldn’t discount Palin just because she is a Republican.

Conservative Voice on April 30, 2009 at 6:43 PM

what? This is intellectually dishonest to the extreme. I don’t know any conservative that advocates we should abort gays if the gene is found, or advocates rounding up the gays and kill them like Hitler did the Gays and the Jews and handicapped. Conservative Voice on April 30, 2009 at 6:40 PM

I didn’t say they did. Of course the option doesn’t yet exist whether an unborn child might be gay or not.

SC.Charlie on April 30, 2009 at 6:45 PM

If being gay is not a choice, then why are the majority of identical twins of gays, not gay themselves? Why are there 1,000s of people who claim to be ex-gays?

mydh12 on April 30, 2009 at 5:59 PM

Identical twins sometimes have one that is left handed and one that is right handed.

People can overcome sexual preference and not act on it. Some people are celibate, many are monogamous though they decide not to act on every impulse.

dedalus on April 30, 2009 at 6:48 PM

SC.Charlie on April 30, 2009 at 6:45 PM

And who is saying once that gene is found that abortion is suddenly OK, considering most people who are against gay marriage for conservative reasons, are against abortion?

Conservative Voice on April 30, 2009 at 6:48 PM

dedalus on April 30, 2009 at 6:48 PM

and some marry, and do alright

Conservative Voice on April 30, 2009 at 6:49 PM

Seven Percent Solution on April 30, 2009

The Dems are going to tear this nation to pieces. They are pushing and pushing and pushing!

JellyToast on April 30, 2009 at 6:50 PM

JellyToast on April 30, 2009 at 6:50 PM

Its not a Democrat problem, its progressives both in the Republican Party and the Democrat Party.

Conservative Voice on April 30, 2009 at 6:51 PM

She is a very beautiful girl who is articulate and not afraid to speak her mind.
A gem.
Not near Palin territory, but wonderful just the same.

carbon_footprint on April 30, 2009 at 6:59 PM

From that interview i get the sense that against everyones hope that she is a Conservative she is indeed a Obama Conservative. One that falls in as a seldom used term as religious left. ie Rick Warren

Yes the name “Republican” is a bad name but, to scoff at the idea and not hold it proudly above ones head even as a RINO shows that she is not even a RINO she is an religious Obamaite but with God not Barry as the lord.

tjexcite on April 30, 2009 at 6:59 PM

There’s no way I can sit through 6 minutes of that.

Definitely not the new Palin. Nope.

Urban Infidel on April 30, 2009 at 7:01 PM

So did she get breast implants or not?

DethMetalCookieMonst on April 30, 2009 at 7:03 PM

and some marry, and do alright

Conservative Voice on April 30, 2009 at 6:49 PM

Yes, as they do with arranged marriage as you pointed out above. However, the participants usually have something that compels them–family pressure, community pressure, property ownership, religious belief. However, those factors are not now required by the state when two people ask it to recognize their marriage.

Commitment is the most important part of marriage. I think a marriage license should be more difficult to obtain, forcing couples to show some basic level of seriousness–right not it is easier to get than a drivers license.

dedalus on April 30, 2009 at 7:06 PM

I thin it’s a good ad and there should be more with a similar theme. Most people are against Gay Marriage, no point in trying to remind them why. It is smart to take a page from the Gay Marriage Lobby’s playbook and personalize the issue. Why should their charges of bigotry and intimidation tactics go unanswered? Everytime they accuse someone of being a bigot or threaten a persons career, it should be exposed in these ads. One thing people don’t like more than gay marriage is being called a bigot, racist or homophobe. People are sick and tired of these intimidation methods and this is how this issue should be dealt with for now on.

Daemonocracy on April 30, 2009 at 7:07 PM

She stated being gay is a choice. After she said that, I lost all respect for her.

Christina_M on April 30, 2009 at 5:30 PM

If it’s not a choice then that means it’s either a birth defect or a mental disorder (ever notice that most gays have gone through abuse before they “discovered” that they were gay). Which is it?

DethMetalCookieMonst on April 30, 2009 at 7:08 PM

DethMetalCookieMonst on April 30, 2009 at 7:08 PM

and gays themselves call it a lifestyle…that makes it a choice.

Conservative Voice on April 30, 2009 at 7:12 PM

and gays themselves call it a lifestyle…that makes it a choice.

Conservative Voice on April 30, 2009 at 7:12 PM

Having a family is also a lifestyle. Some people don’t consider it a choice, but rather a fundamental desire.

dedalus on April 30, 2009 at 7:15 PM

Kelly McGillis, the actress, came out of the closet today at the tender age of 51 after two failed marriages and two children. If you have the time read about what she has to say.

SC.Charlie on April 30, 2009 at 6:15 PM

I can tell you that she most certainly chose to be gay. “I got married two times and had children. I (apparently) have been jerked around by men for all this time. You know what, I’m going to play for the other team.”

No one goes that long and suddenly says “Oh shit, I’ve been gay all this time”.

DethMetalCookieMonst on April 30, 2009 at 7:15 PM

dedalus on April 30, 2009 at 7:15 PM

in this day and age, do we not pick our spouse? Choice. Speaking as a man, sex is the desire, but morality dictates that I am to do the responsible thing and get married, and only have sex with her. Choice Choice Choice.
There are a few guys who want to get married for the sole reason to have kids…but that is about as common as how many people call themselves gay.

Conservative Voice on April 30, 2009 at 7:23 PM

There are a few guys who want to get married for the sole reason to have kids…but that is about as common as how many people call themselves gay.

Conservative Voice on April 30, 2009 at 7:23 PM

That might vary a lot by age. A young guy may tend to fall in love with the woman and put kids off. An older guy who has dated a lot may view marriage primarily as a means to raise a family.

In either case it is fairly common for guys to look at some girls as primarily a fun time and other girls more as marriage material. My point being that while sexual attraction is a big consideration the desire to have children raised well is also something that compels. (The same can be said for women’s motivations).

dedalus on April 30, 2009 at 7:33 PM

It is so surreal that one of our nations biggest pageants, which is supposed to promote and celebrate womanhood, is actively bashing, attacking and discriminating against one of their own contestants simply because the contestant believes in and is a proponent of marriage.

How anti-women can you get?

They’re basically telling her to sit down and shut up! How empowering is that for women?

She isn’t saying anything controversial! The pageant and Hilton are!

The Miss USA pageant is now officially a radical gay activist organization.

This past year has been a terrible year for women, with all of the misogyny and savage attacks leveled against Hillary Clinton, Sarah Palin and also Geraldine Ferraro, and now with this Miss USA fiasco.

The message is “sit down and shut up women. No one wants to hear what you have to say. Your opinions are unimportant. Go iron my shirt!

OxyCon on April 30, 2009 at 7:44 PM

Actually, most people do change their minds with age. That’s why all the talk of the youth vote is generally overrated. Not only are they unreliable as youth, their views more often than not change with age and experience.

Esthier on April 30, 2009 at 6:38 PM

We’ll see. Right now the trends show that acceptance tracks inversely with age, while overall acceptance levels increasing over the past 2 decades. It would seem to indicate that few enough young people are changing their minds to offset the generational change.

Maybe the trend terminates this year, but if it doesn’t then in 5 years there will be majorities in favor of civil unions or marriage in states with a majority of the national population.

dedalus on April 30, 2009 at 7:56 PM

She stated being gay is a choice. After she said that, I lost all respect for her.

Christina_M on April 30, 2009 at 5:30 PM

Ditto that.

In any event, I’m glad this ditz went with this issue, and didn’t get picked up by the GOP as a Republican standard bearer. *shudder*

JetBoy on April 30, 2009 at 8:20 PM

pugwriter on April 30, 2009 at 6:04 PM

Exactly what I was thinking–Mr. Lauer has a big ol’ crush on Miss Prejean.

DrMagnolias on April 30, 2009 at 8:22 PM

No one goes that long and suddenly says “Oh shit, I’ve been gay all this time”. – DethMetalCookieMonst on April 30, 2009 at 7:15 PM

Perhaps you should read what Kelly McGillis has to say. Its not that uncommon. The pressure to be straight even today is enormous.

SC.Charlie on April 30, 2009 at 8:24 PM

Just like when Rudolf Hess saw P51s over Berlin and knew it was time to give it up, the Dems need to get a clue, when the Women join the fight against you, its time for the fork test cause..your done.

Speakup on April 30, 2009 at 6:30 PM

Just a bit of historical accuracy here. Rudolf Hess never saw P-51′s over Berlin during WWII as he was a prisoner of the British since 1940/41. He flew solo to Britain in an attempt to start talks between the British and the Germans and spent the rest of the war as a “guest” of His Majesty’s government before finding “better” accommodations at Spandau prison as a guest of the Allied Powers until committing suicide in the 1980′s. He was, I believe, the last Nazi held at Spandau. Hermann Goreing did once say that he would resign as head of the Luftwaffe if an Allied bomber ever showed up in the skies over Berlin. They did, he did not, and he was ridiculed (behind his back of course) by nearly everyone in Germany over the comment for the rest of the war.

Your point is however well taken.
However, with liberals you are arguing with Stupid and we all know how well that turns out.

Now as for Miss California; she is realizing what the vast majority of Americans think of a pretty, Proverbs-31 girl, who is not afraid to speak her faith and her beliefs: they adore her!

As for homosexuality being genetic: in short no.
There is no genetic disposition for a species to self destruct biologically.
It has been, is, and will always be, a choice.

Bubba Redneck on April 30, 2009 at 8:29 PM

No one goes that long and suddenly says “Oh shit, I’ve been gay all this time”. – DethMetalCookieMonst on April 30, 2009 at 7:15 PM

Perhaps you should read what Kelly McGillis has to say. Its not that uncommon. The pressure to be straight even today is enormous.

SC.Charlie on April 30, 2009 at 8:24 PM

After two failed marriages and some kids she has chosen to live a homosexual lifestyle. Sounds more like an old actress trying to jump-start a career with a little publicity.

Bubba Redneck on April 30, 2009 at 8:37 PM

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