Gates: Bombing Iran won’t stop them from getting nukes

posted at 6:17 pm on April 30, 2009 by Allahpundit

It’s too late. And probably has been for a long time.

Gates told a Senate panel that a military option would only delay Iran’s nuclear ambitions and drive the program further underground, making it more difficult to monitor, he said.

He said the better option would be for the United States and its allies to convince Iran that building a nuclear program would start an arms race that would leave the country less secure.

“Their security interests are actually badly served by trying to have nuclear weapons,” Gates said. “They will start a nuclear arms race in the Middle East and they will be less secure at the end than they are now.”…

Clinton and Gates told the panel the United States and its allies should pressure Iran with tougher sanctions.

Reminds me of that DA in California announcing publicly that he won’t prosecute people for misdemeanors anymore. I’m sitting here trying to figure out how it’s a good idea for Gates to admit this, but I’m stumped: Even if it’s a bluff and the Pentagon does think it can stop the program, what do we gain by telling Iran we can’t? It doesn’t give us any extra leverage during negotiations. And is he kidding about convincing them that nukes aren’t in their best interest? The risk of a Middle East arms race was long ago priced into their decision to go nuclear, as was the endless sanctions dance in the UN. Short of Obama threatening to actually give nuclear weapons to Saudi Arabia and Iraq to check the Iranian threat, what’s left to discuss except buying them off somehow? It’s all carrot, no stick.

Speaking of negotiating with enemies, see for yourself how much the big photo op with Chavez did to change his disposition towards us.


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Count to 10 on April 30, 2009 at 6:51 PM

“Kill enough of them and they stop fighting.”

– Gen. Curtis LeMay

progressoverpeace on April 30, 2009 at 6:54 PM

What if we back-channeled to the Iranian military leadership that now would be a good time for them to do a local regime change, before Israel does it for them?

ThePrez on April 30, 2009 at 6:54 PM

Personally, I can’t see Iran using nuclear weapons in an offensive capacity, even against Israel, without risking retaliation by the United States.

Some retaliation…I can just see it now. The Precedent telling Iran…”But I thought you liked me! Please don’t do it again!”

ladyingray on April 30, 2009 at 6:54 PM

O/T – “The Hammer” just dissed big time on Biden on Special Report.

ROTFLMAO……

ladyingray on April 30, 2009 at 6:55 PM

Why do they even bother carrying the nuclear football around with them? It’s becoming clear that no one will take that threat seriously, from now on.

progressoverpeace on April 30, 2009 at 6:56 PM

I can’t gird my loins anymore than they’re already girded.

Action … now. The very least we need to do is:

Free America’s oil and energy industry to make us free of foriegn energy. No blackmail through oil like they’ve done and are doing to Europe.

Announce very publicly that the US will support Israel in any action it feels it has to take.

Start knocking off Iranian patsies like Hamas and Hezbollah … covertly of course.

Yeah, I’m dreaming …

darwin on April 30, 2009 at 6:56 PM

Personally, I can’t see Iran using nuclear weapons in an offensive capacity, even against Israel, without risking retaliation by the United States.

NNtrancer on April 30, 2009 at 6:53 PM

The problem with that is that they don’t fear the U.S. under this administration.

thomasaur on April 30, 2009 at 6:56 PM

Obama:

“i guess if the uh…..talks fail…uh….um….i guess we’ll have to, uh….uh….hu….uh….uh…uh….uh….uh….uh….uh….uh….uh….uh….uh….uh….uh….uh….uh….uh….uh….uh….uh….uh….uh…..uh….uh….uh….uh….uh…”

Ghoul aid on April 30, 2009 at 6:56 PM

ladyingray on April 30, 2009 at 6:55 PM

Woot!!

Knucklehead on April 30, 2009 at 6:56 PM

Even if Gates is correct, better they get the bomb later than sooner.

Hollowpoint on April 30, 2009 at 6:47 PM

Zackly. So now that Gates has kicked the can, it’s up to Israel to save itself, and Western Civilization in the process.

petefrt on April 30, 2009 at 6:57 PM

Well then theres our point of disagreement I suppose. There’s no need to telegraph one’s eagerness to go to war. The world knows that should talks break down and a more serious confrontation emerge, that the United States will defend itself.

Except that Gates just notified the world that we lack the capability to stop the nuclear program militarily. We’re not at a disagreement over whether you should telegraph an eagerness to go to war. But you don’t reveal your weaknesses to your adversary.

This was the premise behind most of our nuclear talks with Russia throughout the modern presidencies. Theres a time for the more aggressive posture you favor, but some would argue that the time for that is only clear once other more palatable options have been tried and found unsuccessful.

ernesto on April 30, 2009 at 6:52 PM

We didn’t telegraph our military incapability to Russia.

amerpundit on April 30, 2009 at 6:59 PM

Gates is full of sh*t. Lying bastard.

Surgical strike (as in Osirak) will be useless, but a massive bombing campaign could destroy the nuke program completely.

Funny, the lefties had no problem bombing Serbia.

Aristotle on April 30, 2009 at 7:00 PM

The problem with that is that they don’t fear the U.S. under this administration.

thomasaur on April 30, 2009 at 6:56 PM

Yep. The only ones who fear the US under this retarded, traitorous administration are American allies.

progressoverpeace on April 30, 2009 at 7:01 PM

“Kill enough of them and they stop fighting.”

– Gen. Curtis LeMay

progressoverpeace on April 30, 2009 at 6:54 PM

War is all a matter of moral. You win when the enemy lacks the will to fight.
That doesn’t usually mean that they no longer have any live bodies with which to experience said will, but it goes quicker if they believe that you find that outcome acceptable.

Count to 10 on April 30, 2009 at 7:02 PM

Yep. The only ones who fear the US under this retarded, traitorous administration are American allies.

progressoverpeace on April 30, 2009 at 7:01 PM

…and citizens.

Count to 10 on April 30, 2009 at 7:03 PM

Second look at tactical nerve gas!

darwin on April 30, 2009 at 7:03 PM

The world knows that should talks break down and a more serious confrontation emerge, that the United States will defend itself.

If the world knows that, how come I don’t? And I live here!

Everything Obama has said has led me to believe that the U.S. may well not defend itself at all.

Alana on April 30, 2009 at 7:03 PM

all of you are getting too angry and are starting up again with the name calling.. i got angry in an ealier thread today and wished for some very nasty things to happen to those that sit in the white house and was told that i should work harder and to just pray that liberal policies fail.

damn it….work harder and pray!!!!!

Ghoul aid on April 30, 2009 at 7:06 PM

He said the better option would be for the United States and its allies to convince Iran that building a nuclear program would start an arms race that would leave the country less secure.

Ahmadinejad’s Shia End Times belief system calls for him to hasten the return of the Madhi/12th Imam. In order to do this he must create havoc on Earth. We take his threats to annihilate Israel and America far too lightly. This is not a rational leader seeking to gain weapons that would ensure his country’s security.

Disturb the Universe on April 30, 2009 at 7:06 PM

Bombing Iran won’t stop them from getting nukes

You won’t know until you try.

andycanuck on April 30, 2009 at 7:07 PM

Ghoul aid on April 30, 2009 at 7:06 PM

We were pacing ouselves earlier in the day for the long haul ahead.

thomasaur on April 30, 2009 at 7:08 PM

darwin on April 30, 2009 at 6:56 PM

You should be president. That sounds like a plan.

cjs1943 on April 30, 2009 at 7:08 PM

…and citizens.

Count to 10 on April 30, 2009 at 7:03 PM

Too true.

progressoverpeace on April 30, 2009 at 7:11 PM

You should be president. That sounds like a plan.

cjs1943 on April 30, 2009 at 7:08 PM

well, if he’s african american and hasn’t done a damn thing besides managing his community’s lemonaide stand, he’s a shoe in.

Ghoul aid on April 30, 2009 at 7:13 PM

Great. Israel is the only hope for us and them.

carbon_footprint on April 30, 2009 at 7:14 PM

upinak on April 30, 2009

I sometimes ask questions to which I know the answers, but want to see what others think. Thanks for your answers.

coldwarrior on April 30, 2009 at 6:47 PM

Gate’s statement is not insane if their intent is to either deter Israel from striking Iran or lay the groundwork for failing to defend Israel if Israel is struck first or struck back.

Not insane, but evil.

Loxodonta on April 30, 2009 at 7:14 PM

This could be an attempt by Gates to publicly warn Israel (who are currently wargaming a military strike against Iran) that a nuclear Iran is a foregone conclusion and a strike by them would not be, from the administration’s point of view, prudent.

Puddleglum on April 30, 2009 at 7:15 PM

what’s left to discuss except buying them off somehow?

That’s great news Berry, Let give IRAN some frickin money too!

try again later on April 30, 2009 at 7:16 PM

amerpundit on April 30, 2009 at 6:59 PM
Alana on April 30, 2009 at 7:03 PM

Luckily for us theres a national security apparatus that exists outside of the office of the president. But aside from the obvious, i think amerpundit’s reading too much from this one statement. If anything, he’s aluding to the fact that theres no “run and gun” quick strike answer to this problem. Sure militarily we can stop them, but it would require all out war and regime change. Gates knows this, the world knows this, and this is what i was talking about in my prior post. But theres no need to go into negotiations waving around threats of utter destruction, at least not now.

ernesto on April 30, 2009 at 7:17 PM

If Obama chose to drill for oil in US , the strategic risks would be almost minimal.

the_nile on April 30, 2009 at 6:41 PM

That is never going to happen.

upinak on April 30, 2009 at 6:41 PM

Israel nukes Iran – Texas will succede about 5 minutes later…
Then it becomes a matter of survival…Forget your cap & trade,
forget your nationlized health care. Then it will be about real men
stepping up, not a metro-sexual, impotent, Marxist president and his
“swagga”…..

izoneguy on April 30, 2009 at 7:18 PM

Brush back pitch for Israel.

Blowing up the reactor will set back something …

tarpon on April 30, 2009 at 7:19 PM

If your Secretary of Defense does not believe the United States of America can destroy 12-14 shielded targets, then I fear for you much more than I fear for my own country.. Because we can do it and this outpouring of weakness is an international embarassment from the world’s sole superpower..

If this is indeed the extent of America’s capabilities, then your Sec Def has just invited every 2 bit piece of crap on the planet to attack you.

saus on April 30, 2009 at 7:20 PM

Israel nukes Iran – Texas will succede about 5 minutes later…
Then it becomes a matter of survival…Forget your cap & trade,
forget your nationlized health care. Then it will be about real men
stepping up, not a metro-sexual, impotent, Marxist president and his
“swagga”…..

izoneguy on April 30, 2009 at 7:18 PM

I don’t see how that follows.

Count to 10 on April 30, 2009 at 7:21 PM

Doesn’t it depend on how big the military strike is?
Who says they have to stop at a nuclear reactor…

albill on April 30, 2009 at 7:22 PM

well, if he’s african american and hasn’t done a damn thing besides managing his community’s lemonaide stand, he’s a shoe in.

Ghoul aid on April 30, 2009 at 7:13 PM

Well, I had my DNA traced and 50,000 years ago some paternal DNA came from Africa, around Ethopia … ended up in Northern Ireland. Does that count?

All my lemonade stands have been highy successful!

darwin on April 30, 2009 at 7:23 PM

If this is indeed the extent of America’s capabilities, then your Sec Def has just invited every 2 bit piece of crap on the planet to attack you.

saus on April 30, 2009 at 7:20 PM

Maybe, but not before they attack our allies, which I am more worried about. Even Obama can’t ignore an attack on the US itself, but Democrats have a history of abandoning US allies.

Count to 10 on April 30, 2009 at 7:23 PM

izoneguy on April 30, 2009 at 7:18 PM

I don’t see how that follows.

Count to 10 on April 30, 2009 at 7:21 PM

It will all become obvious at the time it happens.

izoneguy on April 30, 2009 at 7:24 PM

All my lemonade stands have been highy successful!

darwin on April 30, 2009 at 7:23 PM

No good, your out.

Count to 10 on April 30, 2009 at 7:24 PM

Gates: Bombing Iran won’t stop them from getting nukes

Talks on Iranian corridor for US troops, supplies to Afghanistan on fast track.

From DEBKA-Net-Weekly updated by DEBKAfile

April 28, 2009, 8:40 PM (GMT+02:00)

On March 27, DEBKA-Net-Weekly 390 revealed exclusively Barack Obama’s plans “to transform the Khomeinist Islamic Republic’s clenched fist against America into a helping hand by formally asking Tehran to permit the passage to Afghanistan of fresh US troops, weapons and supplies across Iranian territory.”

In its follow-up of April 3, our military sources reported that US defense secretary Robert Gates, Chief of Staff Adm. Mike Mullen and transport command chief Gen. Duncan J. McNabb, have laid before the president a detailed plan, which had been cleared in back-door meetings between US and Iranian officers.

DEBKAfile’s sources ask how much leverage against Iran’s drive for a nuclear bomb will be left to Washington when the US becomes dependent on Tehran for its war supplies to Afghanistan.

If this pans out, it will be a triple win for Iraq. We are a lot less likely to do anything to them. We become dependent on them. They get to laugh while we become more LBJ quagmired in Afghanistan.

MB4 on April 30, 2009 at 7:24 PM

It will all become obvious at the time it happens.

izoneguy on April 30, 2009 at 7:24 PM

Don’t go all mystic on me.
I hate that.

Count to 10 on April 30, 2009 at 7:25 PM

Count to 10 on April 30, 2009 at 7:24 PM

Damn …

darwin on April 30, 2009 at 7:26 PM

You have no clout
You better not try
You better watch out, I’m telling you why.
Twelfth Imam is coming to town

A-Bomb is on list
Will use more than twice
Good Muslims who die
Will go to paradise
Twelfth Imam is coming to town

He knows if you’re a Christian
He knows if you’re a Jew
He knows if you’re an in-fi-del
He’s told me what to do

So….You have no clout
You better not try, I’m telling you why.
Twelfth Imam is coming to town
Twelfth Imam is coming to town

Aleph on April 30, 2009 at 7:29 PM

Israel you may fire when ready because this dummy of a secretary just gave the green light to Iran to go ahead with the nukes. I can’t believe what I’m hearing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

jaboba on April 30, 2009 at 7:30 PM

Aleph on April 30, 2009 at 7:29 PM

Satan… is that YOU?

upinak on April 30, 2009 at 7:30 PM

If this is indeed the extent of America’s capabilities, then your Sec Def has just invited every 2 bit piece of crap on the planet to attack you.

saus on April 30, 2009 at 7:20 PM

Just following his President’s lead….

iconoclast on April 30, 2009 at 7:31 PM

Is Gates on crack? The Iranian regime doesn’t want nuclear weapons to address its “security interests”. The ayatollahs and Ahmadinejad want nuclear weapons to exterminate the Jews and bring on Yawm ad-Din and the days of the Mahdi, Dajjal, and Isa.

Hey Bob: Read. What. They. Say.

Beagle on April 30, 2009 at 7:34 PM

Gates: Bombing Iran won’t stop them from getting nukes

Like Kadafi and Syria?

Johan Klaus on April 30, 2009 at 7:38 PM

Bob, let me help you in case you can’t scroll through five pages of text.

Quote:

On his addresses to the United Nations, Ahmadinejad has also invoked the Mahdi. He ended his 2005 speech with a prayer: “O mighty lord, I pray to you to hasten the emergence of your last repository, the Promised One, that perfect and pure human being, the One that will fill this world with justice and peace.” He was not referring to Barack Obama.

Ahmadinejad later recalled, “One of our group told me that when I started to say ‘In the name of God the almighty and merciful,’ he saw a light around me, and I was placed inside this aura. I felt it myself. I felt the atmosphere suddenly change, and for those 27 or 28 minutes, the leaders of the world did not blink… And they were rapt. It seemed as if a hand was holding them there and had opened their eyes to receive the message from the Islamic republic.”

Ahmadinejad has also stated his intention to wipe Israel “off the map,” but he doesn’t stop there. He also says that “the Imam gave him the presidency for a single task: provoking a ‘clash of the civilizations’ in which the Muslim world, led by Iran, takes on the ‘infidel’ West, led by the United States, and defeats it.”

For those who take Ahmadinejad’s apocalyptic statements seriously, it is disturbing to think that a man who believes that he is called by Allah to sow chaos and destruction in the world may one day soon have nuclear weapons at his command. As Ayatollah Khamenei said, “It is the mission of the Islamic Republic of Iran to erase Israel from the map of the region.”

(emphasis mine)

I’d stamp it on your forehead if I could slip into the Pentagon unnoticed.

Beagle on April 30, 2009 at 7:39 PM

Hawkdriver! Take good care of yourself and your crew. Godspeed and safe return.

Loxodonta on April 30, 2009 at 7:41 PM

Aleph on April 30, 2009 at 7:29 PM

Satan… is that YOU?

upinak on April 30, 2009 at 7:30 PM

Could be. …

Brer Rabbit on April 30, 2009 at 7:45 PM

Regime change is the only thing that will stop them. Of course targeting scientists might slow them down too.

Terrye on April 30, 2009 at 7:48 PM

MP burst about 30 miles up would end the program.

lorien1973 on April 30, 2009 at 6:51 PM

Sorry. Disagree. Exo-atmosphere gamma rays produce the Compton-effect electrons needed for strong EMP effect. Too many molecules at 30 miles up. The resulting field strength is low and the 5 nanosecond rise time is attenuated.

If we use nucs, much better to go with ground penetrators and use blast effects of underground explosion.

NaCly dog on April 30, 2009 at 7:48 PM

Israel already wiped off the map…

OK, so it is just BMI Airlines…but the subtle changes to the air map are telling.

Jumping the gun, or merely adjusting to the future?

coldwarrior on April 30, 2009 at 7:54 PM

I’m sitting here trying to figure out how it’s a good idea for Gates to admit this, but I’m stumped:

Hey Allahpundit, search the ole memory banks and tell me. What did Ambassador April Glaspie tell Saddam Hussein before he invaded Kuwait?

doriangrey on April 30, 2009 at 7:54 PM

Anyone have any info on today’s heavy series of B-52 drills by the 5th Air Wing out in Minot?

coldwarrior on April 30, 2009 at 7:57 PM

There is not a bunker in the world that can not be dug out by nuclear bombs. Some just require multiple strikes.

darktood on April 30, 2009 at 8:00 PM

sarcasm on
But, but, they promised it’d be at least 10 years before they got them. 2015 was why the dems said we didn’t have to worry. You mean that might not have been true?
sarcasm off

Dave_d on April 30, 2009 at 8:00 PM

Maybe this is what Obama had in mind when he was talking about “transparency.” Obviously, it had nothing to do with giving people a look a legislation like Porkulus.

PersonalLiberty on April 30, 2009 at 8:12 PM

Give nukes to the Saudis? I’d prefer to give nukes to the Iranians. About two on each of their cities should do it. Allowing them to proceed because we prefer to get them to like us is insane and suicidal.

MikeA on April 30, 2009 at 8:25 PM

I’m sitting here trying to figure out how it’s a good idea for Gates to admit this, but I’m stumped: Even if it’s a bluff and the Pentagon does think it can stop the program, what do we gain by telling Iran we can’t?

You are confused because you think the message is for Iran. The message for Israel. It is an answer to Israel’s demand that we stop Iran’s nuclear program before they negotiate with the Palestinians. The Obama Administration will not use force against Iran. They are clearly saying we won’t meet Israel’s demand.

The Obama Administration does not care if Iran acquires nuclear weapons. (I doubt that very many Democrats do care.) From the Administrations point of view, there are some advantages if Iran acquires them. It will make Israel more vulnerable; therefore, the Israelis will depend on us more; therefore, we will have more leverage with Israel to force concessions on the Palestinian question.

One thought for those posters who are trashing SecDef Gates. Robert Gates is only as good, or as bad, as the man who leads him. I did not think he was a very good CIA head under Bush-I. He tried to get President Clinton to retain him (and failed). He did very well as SecDef under Bush-II. I think he will do whatever his leader wants him to do. If the President wants him to implement strong policies, he will do that. If the President wants him to implement weak policies, he will do that also. No complaints. He likes being in the top ranks of government. Perhaps he is not very principled in that regard, but he appears to be a loyal lieutenant to anybody he serves.

dirc on April 30, 2009 at 8:26 PM

dirc on April 30, 2009 at 8:26 PM

The premise is sound. If that is the intent of the message.

As for Secretary Gates, a good and decent man, knows Russia, or the former Soviet Union, which is how he made his bones. Not so much a globalist visionary. Not a bad administrator, was tolerable but cautious when he was DCI. Yes, he is tasked with carrying out the directives of the President, so he will not be one to go it alone. From personal observation, Gates never had a reputation of bolting from the starting gate. But, he is a cautious to a fault. In much the same way as a General Meade, McClellan or Burnside.

That said, if this message was indeed intended for Israel…what does that say about the present bi-lateral relationship between the government of the United States and the government of Israel?

In the past, in 1973, for example, and in the Lebanon incursion of 1982, et al., we were able to lean on Israel in private, not in a public forum. This is how things are normally accomplished, whether Israel, or Russia or China, and among our allies, if the realtionship is healthy. Gives the other guy wiggle room, saves face, and for both overseas and domestic audiences is prevents that old “lackey” of the United States label being applied. Which is more important then most understand.

Given Netanyahui’s recent statements, I’d imagine that the old relationship is gone…probably not even at the working level anymore either…and in a very short period of time.

So, if Gates intended this message for Israel, then perhaps we are at greater risk than we might care to think about.

coldwarrior on April 30, 2009 at 8:42 PM

So, if Gates intended this message for Israel, then perhaps we are Iran is at greater risk than we (or Iran) think.

coldwarrior on April 30, 2009 at 8:42 PM

izoneguy on April 30, 2009 at 8:49 PM

izoneguy on April 30, 2009 at 8:49 PM

Curious, no?

And still no news about the mass B-52 exercise at Minot today?

Where’s Keemo, he lives out that way.

coldwarrior on April 30, 2009 at 8:56 PM

From the day that Gates was named to replace Rumsfeld I told you guys that Gates was a one-worlder bureaucrat dip-dunk, that would be at best mediocre and more likely a disaster.

LegendHasIt on April 30, 2009 at 9:00 PM

News flash…there already is an arms race in the middle east! World War III is coming close to being inevitable. Just wait until Iran has their version of a Rieshstag fire as an excuse to start a war direct war with Israel.

nazo311 on April 30, 2009 at 9:26 PM

Looks like the Israel first/America second corrupt lobby AIPAC is pushing hard for sanctions to better Israel’s interests in the region.
http://jta.org/news/article/2009/04/27/1004694/aipac-policy-conference-to-push-iran-bills

True_King on April 30, 2009 at 9:30 PM

Sigh. Last I checked, nuclear weapons were part of our military arsenal. Hit Iran with as many ICBM’s as it takes. It’s hard to build nukes when you and everyone around is dead.

We are going to nuke the Islamic world eventually. It’s inevitable. And has been for decades. Islam is incompatible with civilization. Conflict to the death is the only possible endgame. So it’s better to do it now to keep our casualties down.

LenSp1 on April 30, 2009 at 9:47 PM

He said the better option would be for the United States and its allies to convince Iran that building a nuclear program would start an arms race that would leave the country less secure.

My dog isn’t even that gullible. If and when, God forbid, we are hit again or Israel goes up in smoke, Obama and his ilk will own this.

Geronimo on April 30, 2009 at 9:56 PM

What a load of crap. We could wipe the entire country off the face of the earth if we wanted to. What the hell are they talking about?

Joe Caps on April 30, 2009 at 6:25 PM

Gates was talking about the Obama Military Option, not the actual military options.

myrenovations on April 30, 2009 at 6:29 PM

That’s all I can imagine. Gates is talking about the military options that are available without the use of guns or bombs.

Back to the Clinton era question: how many of our top soldiers will retire rather than play nursemaid to earthquake victims for Obama?

Jaibones on April 30, 2009 at 9:57 PM

suzyk on April 30, 2009 at 6:31 PM

Hyperbole is fun when that’s all you have. I suggest that you quickly rethink your statement and the sentiment behind it and email AP or Ed and beg for a second chance.

Who knows, it just might work.

Jaibones on April 30, 2009 at 9:59 PM

I’m sitting here trying to figure out how it’s a good idea for Gates to admit this, but I’m stumped

This message isn’t for Iran, it’s for Israel. BTW, Gates is now Obama’s bitch.

Bill C on April 30, 2009 at 10:24 PM

We’re screwed. Godspeed Israel. Do what you gotta do.

CP on April 30, 2009 at 10:25 PM

Gates IS Bush’s fault!

TruthToBeTold on April 30, 2009 at 6:25 PM

Well said: But somehow — unlike the fearless Michael Savage — the Hannitys and the Limbaughs never seem to be able to connect the dots on this uncomfortable truth.

In so many ways, Bush was John the Baptist to Obama’s Jesus: He was the enabler, the catalyst, the set-up man — albeit unintentionally (or so I suppose).

Bush, in fact, created the “perfect storm” that permitted Obama and a Democratic Congress to sweep to victory and immediately begin implementing his radical program.

But, I don’t expect many conservatives to face up fully to these dark truths. (It’s too much fun dissing Obama — who, it has to be admitted, is very easy and fun to diss!)

sanantonian on April 30, 2009 at 11:13 PM

This message isn’t for Iran, it’s for Israel. BTW, Gates is now Obama’s bitch.

Bill C on April 30, 2009 at 10:24 PM

This is also very true.

sanantonian on April 30, 2009 at 11:15 PM

Gates: Bombing Iran won’t stop them from getting nukes

Gates=Obama policy shill.

It’s too late. And probably has been for a long time.

No its not, we don’t have any need to attack Khamenei’s pride and joy directly, we just need to make life miserable enough that the anti nuke libs finally institute their own Hope n Change, Iranian style.

If only the CIA weren’t undergoing Church II, The most intelligent Pres. in the world might would have left himself some room to run instead of being clutsy enough to stick his foot under the lawn mower and then stick the Sec. Def. with the, oh God its too late, lets give up speech.

Besides its always been Syria, Syria, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Israel, Egypt and Iran, even Putin and Beijing, all with a quantum improvement with Assad brought to heel.

Speakup on April 30, 2009 at 11:21 PM

Gates never has been worth a crap. He’s been tanning in the glow of other people’s hard work all along. That’s why Barry kept him. All Gates is there for is to cash in on the book circuit. Barry is just all about destroying this country’s military and intelligence community. All about it.

Griz on April 30, 2009 at 11:32 PM

Barry is just all about destroying this country’s military and intelligence community. All about it.

Griz on April 30, 2009 at 11:32 PM

If that is true, then the question is why? And, what part does the Caliphate play in his thinking?

A leopard can not change its spots.

OldEnglish on May 1, 2009 at 12:42 AM

Amazing. Arms race? Less secure? Are they still trying to apply 21st century logic to a 12th century lunatic? Why? Is there no one in any position of power that sees beyond moronic talking points and wishful thinking?
Iran wants nukes to bomb Israel and probably us. There is no “deterrent” to that.

n0doz on May 1, 2009 at 2:09 AM

Speaking of negotiating with enemies, see for yourself how much the big photo op with Chavez did to change his disposition towards us.

Now, 50 years of sanctions on the other hand…

radiofreevillage on May 1, 2009 at 2:14 AM

I think it would be funny as he11 if Swine Flu takes care of the problem for us.

darktood on May 1, 2009 at 3:28 AM

C-130 laser gunship flies near oil and gasoline facilities, sets em on fire, destroys their income, no proof of attack, and w no money, the program is set back years.

C’mon, oil is their biggest asset, and it’s not like it’s a hard target. It’s an eggshell.

Cut off their oil=cut off their money=cut off the program

I’ll be the Israelis won’t fly over those facilities and leave em intact.

scottm on May 1, 2009 at 6:59 AM

Personally, I want Iran to get a nuke. One detonated at the most effective height above Ahmadinnajacket and the Ayatollahs would do nicely…..

adamsmith on May 1, 2009 at 7:36 AM

The mistake is assuming tactical bombing of Iran, leaving plenty of Iranians to dig underground and to finish their pursuit of nukes.

The way to bomb Iran is to bomb it out of existence. Completely. No Iranians left on the planet. Period.

End of story. End of problem.

pabarge on May 1, 2009 at 8:02 AM

Personally, I can’t see Iran using nuclear weapons in an offensive capacity, even against Israel, without risking retaliation by the United States.

That is the plan. They get to wipe Israel off the map with the added bonus of bringing forth the 12th Imam.

Its win-win baby

Sinner on May 1, 2009 at 8:14 AM

Ogabe isn’t even serious about “sanctions” against Iran. He’s paying lip service to that concept to buy time for Iran to finish their work. Israel must save itself again, without any help from the US. I pray that God hasn’t turned His back on them.

SKYFOX on May 1, 2009 at 8:22 AM

World War III is coming close to being inevitable.

nazo311 on April 30, 2009 at 9:26 PM

Y’know, a gloves off tooth and nail meat grinder might be better than this slow trickle towards socialized sharia. Might wake America up like Pearl Harbor did, and get us back on course. If nothing else it would shut the islamokooks up for another 50 or 60 years.

Alden Pyle on May 1, 2009 at 8:35 AM

(Sigh) … How many times does Ronald Reagan have to save us?

Ronald Reagan – Conservative Superhero – the many who invisioned the STRATEGIC DEFENSE INITIATIVE – which was ridiculed by the Democrats (specifically Ted Kennedy, who mockingly deemed it “STAR WARS”)

They said it would never be doable – but Reagan was right. And thanks to the fact that Republican Presidents FUNDED the research while Bill Clinton cut back on it – Obama has another tool in his toolbox called MISSILE DEFENSE.

You will not stop Iran from getting nukes. No matter what. Attacking them won’t help (but it would feel damn good!). Negotiating won’t work. They are bound and determined to get them.

So DEAL WITH IT.

What Obama can do, is this …

Y.A.D.

“Your Assured Destruction”

This policy would tell Iran this …

FIRE A NUKE – WE WILL SHOOT IT DOWN.

AND WE WILL THEN PAVE YOUR COUNTRY WITH OUR NUKES – NO QUESTIONS ASKED.

This tells Iran there is little to be gained in firing a nuke. Even though they will get nukes soon – it will be decades before they have LOTS OF THEM. And you need LOTS OF THEM to defeat Missile Defense. By that time – even Missile Defense Technology will be improved enough to deal with LOTS OF THEM.

MISSILE DEFENSE – is the way to go – as long as Obama doesn’t CUT FUNDING FOR IT – which he promised to do in the campaign and has even hinted at now that he’s Presidente.

RONALD REAGAN – WORKING MIRACLES FROM THE GRAVE TO BAIL OUT LIBERAL PRESIDENTS.

HondaV65 on May 1, 2009 at 9:27 AM

I’m sitting here trying to figure out how it’s a good idea for Gates to admit this, but I’m stumped

Part of trying to soften the greatest blow to American prestige since the British burned the White House in 1814, and that was just an humiliation: This will be a “game-changing” acquisition of nuclear weapons by a hostile power in the world’s most unstable region, to the detriment of our historical ally, that we have repeatedly and publically, through top leaders of both parties, declared “unacceptable.”

CK MacLeod on May 1, 2009 at 10:48 AM

It must be hard to pimp for The Pimp.

TexasJew on May 1, 2009 at 12:11 PM

Here is Allahpundit’s answer, total US capitulation to Iran.

As much as it disgusts me, this is the most sober analysis on the topic I have recently read, the US will claim hollow shallow / victory in return for no real suspension of Iran’s program, just more BS assurances – Just like North Korea, even more shameful some of our pundits may put up pictures of ‘exploding infrastructure’ also a la NOKO and buttress this hollow bull as some form of Obama victory – while in reality it is business as usual.

In the mean time America will give up the farm, bow to radical Islam and wait for the 1st Islamic bombs to go off.. Hopefully somewhere else, which is a deluded as this strategy.

saus on May 1, 2009 at 12:28 PM

I have a feeling it’s not too late for Israel’s nukes to take out the underground Iranian labs.

joe_doufu on May 1, 2009 at 12:31 PM

Its already been established that they don’t respect anything except a good ass kicking – this won’t do much except make them laugh and shoot off their mouths.

Ryan Gandy on May 1, 2009 at 12:53 PM

It doesn’t matter. We’ll do what we do when it’s time.

AnninCA on May 1, 2009 at 1:24 PM

LOL Its not too late. Gates is an idiot. Do they have a nuke now? No. Can we stop them from developing one? Absolutely. Of course, it would require someone in government with a pair of balls.

Other than the harridans.

dogsoldier on May 1, 2009 at 2:03 PM

For years we’ve been told that they’re x years away, we have plenty of time, they’re x months away, we’ve got plenty of time. Now it’s too late. Cute.

Christian Conservative on May 1, 2009 at 2:49 PM

It’s not too late to make an example of them.

pussum207 on May 1, 2009 at 3:22 PM

Full blockade, to primarily cut off their gasoline. Then several EMP-generating airbursts over all known nuclear sites and power plants.

Whatever weaponry they may have would be uses. Regime topples. End game. But it has to be done very soon.

J.J. Sefton on May 1, 2009 at 4:09 PM

Full blockade, to primarily cut off their gasoline. Then several EMP-generating airbursts over all known nuclear sites and power plants.

Whatever weaponry and technology they may have would be rendered useless. Regime topples. End game. But it has to be done very soon.

J.J. Sefton on May 1, 2009 at 4:09 PM

Seems an appropriate place to put this.

Obama says he’ll take whatever steps are necessary to prevent Iran from getting nukes. Says he’ll take “no option off the table” – that’s usually code for “military option”.

Hillary jumps in and promises “Massive Retaliation” against Iran if it attacks Israel.

Well – we shall see. But right now it’s looking more and more like our impotent President will be defeated by an Islamofascist fool. And Hillary will hang on for the ride!

And besides – once Israel is wiped off the map – then there are no need of the anti-ballistic missiles in Poland right? So we can give that back to the Russians also.

We are the worst generation for electing this fool.

HondaV65 on May 1, 2009 at 8:46 PM

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