It’s on: Obama takes shot at tea parties; Update: Video added

strangelet:

You again. Still waiting on those responses. Anywhoo..

But they were corporate and partisan.

Partisan? Compared to most political gatherings, no. Compared to the center? Yes. Ok, I can buy that.

But corporate?

Certainly there was some higher-level organization (do you REALLY think those Anti-War protests a few years back were all 100% grassroots?), but the official organization was minimum. Trust me when I say I would have CERTAINLY appreciated “Corporate” aid in getting these things off the ground, but apparently the shadowy Corporate conspiracy never bothered to pull its weight.

Perhaps because they were all too busy donating to the Dems?

So they have null effect except on your shrinking hardright core.

Hardly. As your compardes learned during Vietnam and the current conflict, protests get the word out- show the flag off, so to speak- and attract attention that they would otherwise not have had. In addition, they help lay the foundation for future organization and protests.

And suddenly that “Shrinking hardright core” ceases to shrink and starts to grow.

You had an important evolutionary niche….conservatives were the party of careful, measured change moderated by traditional values.

You would come of as more genuine is you didn’t sneer at us for 3/4s of your rants.

Bush trashed those values with your total compliance.

1. Contrary to popular belief, there was a considerable amount of Rightwing groundswell against Bush, and a quick run through memory lane on the internet will readily show that. Conservatives didn’t shut up and take it with things like the “Minutemen comment” and Amnesty. However, while that is so, we often chose the lesser of two evils- or more accurately, the flawed over the flawed, misguided, and often malicious-which brings me to my next point.

2. Yes, Bush did sell many aspects of Conservatism up the river with his “Compassionate Conservatism.” However, he did so out of his own genuine beliefs, and not wind-twisting like Clinton and Obama. In addition, Bush might have betrayed several Conservative ideals, but he was the greatest standard-bearer for many of them. He kept the US safe, cut taxes against strong opposition, and did not waver to puplic opinion in wartime. To call this things “trashing Conservative ideals” is foolish.

The last election was the political equivalent of the Extinction Event at the K-T Boundary for conservatives.

So what was the Reagan Revolution? Or the Ginrichian Revolution of 1994?

Saying does not equal being.

The political/demographic landscape has changed.

And somehow you think these seasonal changes mark decisive turning events simply because? While future events MAY make them a decisive turning point, history shows that the extinction of an entire ideology or political party usually happens with vastly more drama and is usually vastly more decisive. This? This is like Carter’s election or LBJ’s in scope. It isn’t anything unprecedented.

Now, you can adapt to the changed environment….or go extinct.

And pray tell me what do you think the Tea Parties were?

A new or redesigned party will emerge to to fill your vacated evolutionary niche, if you don’t evolve to fill it.

Pseudo-Scientific blather aside, you fail to realize that such a party would most likely be composed of Conservatives who left the GOP and thus would include most of us? Most of us identify with our Conservatism over our Republican party, and you fail to note that.

Refusal to evolve in the face of a changing environment is no more an option for you than it was for the dodo.

And we are. Just because you cannot see it does not mean anything more than you have blinders on.

Exactly, Bush was not conservative.

Au contraire, he was. Just of a slightly less preferable brand.

He destroyed your niche.
It is NOT THERE ANYMORE.

Pseudoscientific ranting does not change the fact that there is still a niche for a Conservative party, as the Tea Parties showed. If the constant slander of Bush did destory anything more than the slanderer’s integrity, it was the GOP, not the Conservative movement.

Obama colonized a new niche, that is partly made up of your old one.

Not really, unless you think something dating back to the 19th century is “New.” Obama was just a standardbearer for an old ideology that has happened to attract the majority of the voters in the last election.

Now you have to fight for it, and that means evolving.
Or don’t, who cares.
Cultural and demographic evolution will school you.
Survival of the fittest.

You yell at us about fighting or perishing, and yet you do not count nation-wide protests as fighting?

????

Hillbilly, have you considered that “post-partisan” may mean something else to the hard liberals?
It could mean “single party”.
And by refusing to evolve you guys are helping them out, dooontcha kno.
;)

Sorry, but it is almost impossible for any truely Democratic nation to have a “single party.” Even if the Conservative movement were to peter out like you are boasting, do all the ex-Conservatives drop off the face of the Earth or emigrate? No. They go elsewhere, thus fueling that movement.

Nice scare-taunt, though.

Yup….the environment changed and they couldn’t evolve.
See the similarity?

Perhaps.

Are you comparing your pathetic debating strategy to the dodo bird?

If so, please do not. It is an insult to the bird.

Prove it Treach.

The irony of this coming from someone who never proves their own blather is sickening.

1– FOXnews pimped the teaparties ad nauseum.

Even so, you are missing a crucial point: to what degree was this responsible for the Tea Parties?

I think you will find that the majority was organized from the bottom up, and was not astroturfed.

2– No bipartisans surged(heh) up in front of the cameras to make the case for bipartisan representation.

Even ignoring the disillusioned or irritated Demos and Libs who came, did the distinctly Partisan nature of the Anti-War rallies discredit them?

Homo sapiens sapiens is highly visual.
Appearance is all.

And your point? Do you have any?

Any evidence? Any proof?

No?

Didn’t think so.

I await a response.

Turtler on April 29, 2009 at 3:09 PM