Bybee stands by his work, even though it has cost him friends…

Perhaps Judge Bybee can recover his friends, or make some new “progressive” pals by granting bail, or probation, to some child molesters.

Incidentally, apropos the “abortion as murder” comments above, apart from abortion being homicide, isn’t it also torture? I have seen those horrible videos of unborn babies trying to avoid the forceps and it sure looked like they were in a lot of pain.

Perhaps someone should ask Pres. Obama, in furtherance of his “no torture” policy, whether unborn babies ought to be administered an anaesthetic before they are aborted.

Just wondering.

You consistently get this one wrong. KSM was Waterboarded >100 times. How many times did he have to be waterboarded before he figured out that it wasn’t going to kill him? 1? 2? How many times was he waterboarded before he gave up any information? 20? 30?

For that matter, how bright do you have to be to figure out that water poured on saran wrap over your face isn’t going to cause you to drown?

Waterboarding, as I understand it, works because it makes your body feel like it’s drowning, even though your mind knows you’re not.

Put a gun to someone’s head, and threaten to pull the trigger if they don’t tell you what you want? That’s “imminent threat of death”. Repeatedly do the same thing to someone, where tehy know they’ve survived previous application, not because of luck (i.e. Russian Roulette), but because what’s being done to them simply won’t harm them?

That’s not “imminent threat of death”. All the hand-wringing in the world won’t change that.

Terrorists do not have the right to keep secrets from us. They dont’ want to get waterboarded? Great. Tell us everything we want to know.

Based on my copying it, and then seeing several others commenting on it, BEST COMMENT OF THE DAY, probably of the week, and some votes for of the year.

Well Done!

kirkill on April 29, 2009 at 11:48 AM

Thanks. I don’t think people are seriously thinking this one through. Ed, take note. Obama keep saying using this method doesn’t uphold American values. Well then, when our side try to say that the unnecessary killing of the unborn doesn’t uphold American values either, they treat us as if we are some “right-wing extremist”. So you can’t have it both ways. I’m speaking up for the innocent, they are speaking up for the terrorist.

I still believe Bybee got it wrong, though, in his advice on waterboarding.

I will never apologize for shooting someone breaking and entering into my home to cause harm.

American servicemen should never have to say, “sorry, but we’re going to have to shoot at you now”.

People who protect this nation, from border patrol agents to the CIA, from your friendly neighborhood police officer to the military, should ever have to apologize for defending this nation.

No one. NO ONE has the right to second guess the actions of those who have been charged with the protection of this nation or its citizens when those actions have been executed well within the scope of the law.

The left does nothing without thinking 2-3 moves to the mid-game. Just consider the set up. This is not about torture! It’s not even about religion!
It is about a totalitarian ideology controlling EVERY aspect of your life.
Do not give in.

Just or unjust, far too many parties blessed this program for anyone to play “arm-chair” quarterback now.

pjean on April 29, 2009 at 9:56 AM

Starting with The Holy Pelosi.

It’s a community decision.

the Trump Card here is the readily available Torture Videos, and I mean real, hardcore snuff film Torture, that Saddam’s Regime carried out.

jp on April 29, 2009 at 12:05 PM

Unfortunately, these types are well aware of Saddam’s cruelty to his own people. They don’t care. Afterall, he did good things for Iraq.

This is the liberal form of indulgences. Any act they carry out, no matter how heinous is excused because they are the champions of the poor and oppressed.

Jvette on April 29, 2009 at 11:57 AM

the Trump Card here is the readily available Torture Videos, and I mean real, hardcore snuff film Torture, that Saddam’s Regime carried out.

I am willing to say that water boarding is torture when others agree that Abortion is murder. Then we can prosecute people for using government resources to carryout “torture” and also prosecute people for using government funds for carrying out “murder”. That is a true bi-partisan solution.

tdavisjr on April 29, 2009 at 9:33 AM
+1. The hypocrisy on the left is palpable.

Vashta.Nerada on April 29, 2009 at 9:45 AM

Yes, let’s review Roe v. Wade for its legal worthiness. The reasoning is preposterous, as so many Supreme Court decisions have been, particularly since the Warren Court. And then let’s prosecute all the judges and lawyers who have consented to the murder of millions.

would tar Mr. Bybee and Saddam Hussein with the same brush when it comes to the issue of torture, except for one thing: Saddam also did a lot of good for his country, Iraq, whereas Mr. Bybee has done nothing for his except plunge it into infamy.

this is a truely amazing, troubling and Evil statement by whoever wrote it and published it

jp on April 29, 2009 at 11:20 AM

Yea, I was shocked to read it. This is what the left wing thinks and it is right in line with what Obama wants Americans to think. Especially troubling is that this writer believes that Hussein did good things in Iraq. As I recall, Hitler did good things for Germany too.

tdavisjr on April 29, 2009 at 9:33 AM

Based on my copying it, and then seeing several others commenting on it, BEST COMMENT OF THE DAY, probably of the week, and some votes for of the year.

Well Done!

There is no legal framework for trying the lawyers who gave the advice that doesn’t include trying the interrogators, the people who ordered the procedures, and the people who approved the procedures — including leading members of Congress who blessed these procedures.

I’m not sure that’s true. It’s still not clear what the prosecution would be, exactly, but conspiracy to commit torture would not necessarily have to include the interrogators, for example.

But regardless, they’re talking about impeaching him also, and that’s a completely legitimate goal assuming they believe that what he’s done rises to a high enough level.

would tar Mr. Bybee and Saddam Hussein with the same brush when it comes to the issue of torture, except for one thing: Saddam also did a lot of good for his country, Iraq, whereas Mr. Bybee has done nothing for his except plunge it into infamy.

this is a truely amazing, troubling and Evil statement by whoever wrote it and published it

This is non-nonsensical PC bullshit. I seriously doubt that there was ever a POW who did not carry the thought that they were under “imminent threat of death” at some time during their captivity. Are US troops to go around all day long comforting captives, telling them they have nothing to fear? The entire US ‘torture’ process was a mind game, setting up the person so that their own imagination was actually working against them.

Seemed appropriate.

I trust you are all aware that this dustup concerning “torture” is being promoted by the mind and money of Mr George Soros. I bet if we were to waterboard him, we might find some info leaks from Treasury or the White House that explain why he is able to play the market so shrewdly and so “having a great crisis.”

Chaz on April 29, 2009 at 10:36 AM

I am wondering if Soros is the dragon in the book of Revelation who gives power to the beast.