Videos: The real goal of health-care “reform”

posted at 9:23 am on April 28, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

The Obama administration and Congressional Democrats want to pass a $634 billion health-care reform bill that they claim will not crowd out private insurers but will only restructure health-care delivery more rationally. One of its co-sponsors, though, lets the cat out of the bag while drumming up support in Chicago earlier this month. Rep. Jan Schakowsky tells the audience that the bill is a Trojan horse for single-payer, and that she’s not interested in waging a “principled fight”, as Verum Serum discovers:

Readers might say that Schakowsky is just one co-sponsor and not representative of the effort. That might fly, except for another clip that Verum Serum rediscovered featuring Barack Obama telling the AFL-CIO in 2003 what his end goal is for health-care reform:

The socialist website Peoples Weekly World certainly understood Schakowsky’s message:

Rep. Jan Schakowsky (D-Ill.) and co-sponsor of HR-676 answered criticisms from single-payer advocates. She said the public option is not a compromise, but a strategic step toward the single-payer system and the elimination of the private insurance industry.

The private sector is united in opposing any legislation that would expand publicly funded health care over and against the virtual monopoly of insurance companies.

The public option is simply the opening salvo against the private sector, Schakowsky and other speakers said.

Both Schakowsky and McNary stressed the need for solidarity among health care reform activists, in order to build mass support and momentum toward the goal of a single-payer system.

No, the Obama administration is the opening salvo against the private sector. This administration plans socialization on a massive scale over the next few years. No wonder Schakowsky hated the Tea Parties so much; some of us are on to them.


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Hey, now that the government owns GM, if they nationalize health care, do we get a free car with that?

AmericanUnderground on April 28, 2009 at 10:02 AM

No,you get cheese and a “Yes We Can!!” bumper sticker.

Now get back in line!!

Baxter Greene on April 28, 2009 at 10:28 AM

Central records. If Obama wants all the medical records in D.C., he can have his people prescreen job applicants for GM, the banks and other gov owned entities. They can hire people with low health care claims. The other issue is liability. If the gov owns the delivery networks, you surely don’t dare sue for malpractice.

seven on April 28, 2009 at 10:28 AM

Thank goodness the media brought this out before the election!

JohnJ on April 28, 2009 at 10:29 AM

Other interesting part of this, that no one is talking about…

Is that MANY MANY Doctors no longer accept Medicaid, or Tricare (military retiree) patients because the government payout is so slow, and so low.

Once Insurance is figured in, they make no money on these patients…. because Medicaid does not negotitate payment rates like insurance companies do… but dictate them (Obama’s idea of cutting costs?).

Scary, very scary.

Romeo13 on April 28, 2009 at 10:30 AM

Let’s call it what it is.

Government-rationed medical care.

Daggett on April 28, 2009 at 9:26 AM

Dittos on that!!

SeanTate5 on April 28, 2009 at 10:30 AM

Don’t worry, bopbottle, it won’t be the insurance company saying “no” to trivial things, it will be the government. Take a hard look at the rationed health care that Canada and Great Britain must endure. Major injuries and illnesses are not even covered, let alone anything minor. My cousins live in England, and one of them fell from a ladder, injuring his back. He was told that only surgery would correct it, but after two years on a waiting list, he was denied the surgery because his condition was not determined to be life threatening. He was offered the alternative of living on government assistance (welfare) for the rest of his life or being re-trained for another career. He is now a high school Spanish teacher, but lives with chronic back pain. He is resigned to the fact that he will never get the surgery to correct his back. Is this the kind of health care you want for “free?”

College Prof on April 28, 2009 at 10:30 AM

Sorry Professor, but the boomers are going to strain the system like no other generation b4

I don’t quite know what to say when I read a comment like this. Should we apologize for being born before the legalization of abortion? For the decisions of our parents to have more than 2.1 children?

and it is precisely their hubris that has created the unsustainable system.

Uh, well actually the people in power when social security and medicare were enacted were NOT baby boomers, but the parents of baby boomers. By your logic, the children of those responsible for Obama’s current legislative onslaught against American values will be the ones responsible for undoing the nation.

As I said, there are plenty of boomers I love, but as a group, unfortunately boomers are defined by the Nancy Pelosi’s, Obama’s and Reid’s in their midst.

Harry Reid is not a baby boomer. But don’t worry, although the younger generation is a bunch of irresponsible whiners who think they are entitled to everything without having to work for it, there are plenty of individual young ‘uns who I love.

I hope enough boomers wake up and resist that legacy. It could happen.

JAM on April 28, 2009 at 10:19 AM

It could also happen if more of your (and all other) generations resisted socialism.

ProfessorMiao on April 28, 2009 at 10:31 AM

There is a VERY SIMPLE solution to healthcare costs!

No, there isn’t.

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It is actually pretty simple.

jgapinoy on April 28, 2009 at 10:31 AM

I went to the DMV yesterday, I saw a huge line outside waiting to get in. A thought appeared in my head saying this is what it could become as regards to health-care though the lines longer.

FontanaConservative on April 28, 2009 at 10:33 AM

The private sector blew it, frankly. They scammed people without shame, taking money and then cutting off benefits the moment the person actually needed it.

Oversight has been so politicized, obviously, that people don’t have a chance.

Moreover, the old employer paid plans leave entirely too many people stuck when downsizing occurs. That paradigm worked great when you went to work for a company and retired from it, too.

We do need reform.

AnninCA on April 28, 2009 at 10:33 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGHlvnqPdH0

Seen this guy?

Mommypundit on April 28, 2009 at 10:34 AM

He is who we thought he was!!

Theworldisnotenough on April 28, 2009 at 10:34 AM

Another dirty little secret is that members of Congress will not be subject to this single payer system. They have their own private health care network. Their motto is and always was “Good enough for thee, but not for me.”

College Prof on April 28, 2009 at 10:35 AM

Ulysses shouts to the Trojans ” Hey I have a wooden horse for you, it’s full of my soldiers, but gosh, doesn’t it look pretty and big? You can have it for free.”

MNDavenotPC on April 28, 2009 at 10:35 AM

Also, don’t worry about all of those unemployed insurance company employees. The government will hire them to administer the massive health care bureaucracy that will surely ensue.

College Prof on April 28, 2009 at 10:36 AM

Excellent! And so true…be careful what you wish for…I feel for the elderly and the boomers. They are going to get waylaid by this piece of crap system. I just hope they know it and will do something to stop it!

JAM on April 28, 2009 at 10:24 AM

Most of the elderly are dependent on the government so I don’t think they have a lot of choice unless they unit as a voting block and fight this.

Daschle and other Obama administrators have leaked here and there that if you are not the size and proportion the government says you should be(fat),smoke,eat meat,pretty much don’t follow the “guidelines”that will be laid out for you,it’s to the end of the line for services rendered.
We can only afford to take care of the “healthy” people.
Europe is fraught with these types of restrictions and regulations that is not reported by the MSM.

Obama,taking away our Freedoms,one bill at a time.

Baxter Greene on April 28, 2009 at 10:37 AM

I feel for the elderly and the boomers. They are going to get waylaid by this piece of crap system.

Well, I’m not so sure about that.

No president, Obama or Bush is/was willing to reform the social medical system we already have in place (Medicaid and Medicare) because they didn’t want to lose their votes. Obama isn’t going to want to tick off welfare recipients (Medicaid) or the elderly and disabled (Medicare) because that would cost him votes, so he’ll make their access to care the strongest. Obama will find a way to screw small business owners and the working class the most.

Right now, there is 30% fraud in Medicare and Medicaid. Why not cut costs eliminating all the fraud instead of punishing those with private insurance? See, the ppl w/ private or commercial insurance are the ones that will continue to pick up the growing tab. Also, because nobody wants to hurt the feelings of the elderly, they totally take advantage of the system. Medicare recipients are only supposed to be allowed 3 opinions, but since they’re no longer working and have nothing but time on their hands, Medicare recipients have 9, 10, 11 opinions and nobody tells them no because they don’t want to sacrifice their votes.

Medicare and Medicaid is the problem in this country and it needs to be reformed, not the private sector.

I think you’ll all be remiss if you don’t believe that Obama’s healthcare reform is nothing more than a war on anybody making a honest living and restributing it to people who don’t want to work. Medicare and Medicaid are going bankrupt and Obama wants to extend it tax the crap outta middle class and “wealthy” families to continue this sham of allowing illegal immigrants heatlh care, spend outrageous amounts of care for the elderly to live another 2 days and for welfare recipients who want to sit on their lazy asses and expect their neighbors to support thier families.

Wise up.

Republigal on April 28, 2009 at 10:37 AM

I think the plan does intend to attack the fraud factor via the on-line medical records provision, Republigal. The way those frauds work is through the enormous paperwork snags.

Now, whether this plan will actually be implemented? I dunno. But the DMV sure has a slick system, so obviously it can be done.

AnninCA on April 28, 2009 at 10:40 AM

I think you’ll all be remiss if you don’t believe that Obama’s healthcare reform is nothing more than a war on anybody making a honest living and restributing it to people who don’t want to work.
Republigal on April 28, 2009 at 10:37 AM

The Obama administration has made it clear,if you work hard and pay your bills,you are a sucker.

There is no incentive or reward for working hard in Obama’s government plans,it’s “what can you give me for my vote” 24/7.

Baxter Greene on April 28, 2009 at 10:43 AM

Health care in Britain is pretty appalling- though there are hundreds of wonderful nurses and talented doctors, huge amounts of money are wasted every year on bureaucrats.

For example, the NHS budget for “central administration” is £12.6 billion. That’s seven times the amount spent on maternity care. And that doesn’t count the billions more spent on administration at each hospital and care trust.

Under Labour NHS spending has increased from £39 billion in 1995 to £89.7 billion in 2006. Despite the massive increase (funded by increased taxes) waiting lists continue to remain long and we live in a country where the government determines whether or not certain proven drugs are given to patients based on how cost effective they are. Not on how they will improve the quality or quantity of life.

One other thing to make clear- you might not like the cost of health insurance now but nationalised medicine costs money too. You’ll still be paying for it via vastly inflated taxes- and the service you’ll get in return will be diminished. If you do want to pay for your own health insurance then you’ll have to do so on top of the taxes you already pay to the government.

And you just know that when the quality of the care is complained about the politicians in DC will resort to their favourite tactic- they’ll need to spend more money on the problems. No matter how much they spend, just like in the UK with a more than doubled budget, those problems will never go away.

Our government run, bureaucrat-infested, health care explains why the tax rate for upper earners is at 50%.

Given that Obama’s already bankrupted the nation with trillions in debt, the USA really can’t afford to go this route. That won’t stop Dems from trying though.

Jay Mac on April 28, 2009 at 10:43 AM

There is a VERY SIMPLE solution to healthcare costs!
No, there isn’t.

It is actually pretty simple.

jgapinoy on April 28, 2009 at 10:31 AM

Correct and that is what we had as a system before Kaisergate and managed care was instituted.

For those that don’t know Edgar Kaiser approached Nixon about a way to make more money for less care and thus we had Kaisergate and our current system!

xler8bmw on April 28, 2009 at 10:44 AM

How come we’re not seeing commercials from the private insurance industry in regards to nationalizing healthcare? In effect, they would be put out of business. The only commercial I see is for CPRights. Something isn’t adding up.

moonsbreath on April 28, 2009 at 10:44 AM

Actually, it was George Bush & the Republicans that were the opening salvo. Obama will just try to finish the job.

True_King on April 28, 2009 at 10:45 AM

It could also happen if more of your (and all other) generations resisted socialism.

ProfessorMiao on April 28, 2009 at 10:31 AM

Why are you taking it so personally? I don’t expect any generation to apologize for being born. Stop throwing out strawmen. It is simply a fact that there are more boomers. Period. Therefore, they will strain the system.

They have been in power for a very long time. The liberal side of that generation is what defines the generation for me. The anti-war, anti-Us, let’s give away the store in the name of fairness people. They keep tinkering w/programs. Adding new ones. All or most are unfunded and unsustainable.

I absolutely agree that many in the generations after the boomers are selfish, entitlement expecting knaves. I also know that a lot of those “kids” have boomers for parents. So they got it from them as well. But, the boom-booms are going to reap the horrible consequences of Natl. Healthcare. They are a loud group. If they resist it, b/c it will impact them the most, it could be a groudswell for the other generations, who will ultimately have to pay for it.

JAM on April 28, 2009 at 10:47 AM

Thacker Agency at 9:52

I always wondered how hospitals could give medical care to people who go to the ER and never end up paying for it. Turns out I pay for it through the higher premiums. The cost of medical insurance basically includes the provisions needed to keep medical providers solvent, given the legal requirement to give out free care to anybody who wants it.

It’s interesting that the big presenting problem with socialism/communism is shortages. With no incentive to provide services or provide them well, those services and products just get dropped.

I wonder how many OB’s would still be delivering babies if there were no insurance companies working with them to keep them solvent in the face of malpracice insurance costs? Am I understanding what you’re saying?

justincase on April 28, 2009 at 10:48 AM

I think the plan does intend to attack the fraud factor via the on-line medical records provision, Republigal.
AnninCA on April 28, 2009 at 10:40 AM

I would not count on the Obama administration being very competent and diligent in fighting fraud,it is not their strong suit.

(via instapundit)
TARP: The Looming Debacle

April 27, 2009 Posted by John at 8:00 AM
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The Inspector General’s report documents the stunning and at least partly illegal expansion of TARP from the $700 billion originally allocated by Congress to what is now a $3 trillion complex of programs. This chart shows the various programs that are now included within SIGTARP’s oversight, and how they have expanded from the initial $700 billion. Note that some of the programs are still incipient; $3 trillion is by no means a final number.

It is safe to assume, however, that the investigations now in progress represent not even the tip of the iceberg. The most troubling feature of the SIG’s report is its documentation of reluctance on the part of Tim Geithner’s Treasury Department to make even modest efforts to protect the interests of the taxpayers. To take just one glaring example, Treasury has refused to require banks to account for what they do with the billions of dollars they receive in TARP money:


Let’s see…where the he!! have we seen this before:


Shocking Video Unearthed Democrats in their own words Covering up the Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac Scam that caused our Economic Crisis

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The healthcare system will be flooded with fraud at the taxpayers expense.
We only have to look at the history and facts concerning the people in charge to see that.

Baxter Greene on April 28, 2009 at 10:50 AM

They scammed people without shame, taking money and then cutting off benefits the moment the person actually needed it.

That’s against the law and that’s why each state has an insurance commissioner. I know there are bad examples. . . blue cross of CALIFORNIA being one of them. Note, each state has its own ‘blue cross’ and they are all vastly different. Some states have several (I think New York has like 10). But when that occurs, the insurance company is forced to pay up. . . like happened with blue cross in california.

The insurance companies I work for will pay or I won’t represent them. They are regulated by the government. If you are upset at problems under this system, blame government oversight (or lack thereof). Every state decides which plans can be offered in that state. Every year the rates MUST BE approved by the Department of Insurance. Every new company and every new plan in EACH STATE has to go through rigorous regulation and red tape before it can be offered. They make sure they have enough cash reserves to pay the claims and they make sure that the benefits are good enough for their citizens.

When it is ‘single payer’, who are you going to turn to if you have a complaint? Especially when the government is the ‘single payer’. At least now if you have a grievance, it isn’t with the government. And if you don’t like one company, you can go to another.

ThackerAgency on April 28, 2009 at 10:51 AM

Are there any who will be running?

mr.blacksheep on April 28, 2009 at 10:23 AM

WisGOP convention is this weekend. Although the county I live in consistently votes R, we’re in Doyle/Feingold/Kohl/Kagan land.

qestout on April 28, 2009 at 10:53 AM

“No, the Obama administration is the opening salvo against the private sector. ”

BINGO

notagool on April 28, 2009 at 10:55 AM

Flags from every Spanish speaking nation and no American flags and the Univision microphone. Treason.

federale86 on April 28, 2009 at 10:55 AM

The healthcare system will be flooded with fraud at the taxpayers expense.
We only have to look at the history and facts concerning the people in charge to see that.

Baxter Greene on April 28, 2009 at 10:50 AM

ThackerAgency on April 28, 2009 at 10:51 AM

When we no longer have “choice” what are our alternatives? This is gonna be soooo bad. We must melt the switchboard in Congress again! I hope the insurance industry starts making some ads and running them in primetime!

JAM on April 28, 2009 at 10:56 AM

Am I understanding what you’re saying?

justincase on April 28, 2009 at 10:48 AM

yes, exactly and precisely. Actually most doctors couldn’t afford to accept what Medicare pays if it weren’t for private insurance companies. Many doctors simply won’t take new Medicare patients because reimbursements are too low. Private insurance helps the facilities make up for the losses they incur by providing benefits to even Medicare patients.

Again, it is good for the person on Medicare, but it is bankrupting the company. And worse, it is raising the COST of health care overall.

Yes, private insurance premiums go to pay for free care of people without insurance – including illegal aliens. That’s a big part of why costs are going up. If we deported all illegal aliens, the cost of health care would go down significantly.

ThackerAgency on April 28, 2009 at 10:57 AM

Baxter Green at 10:37

But a woman who wants someone to put a knife through her cervix into her womb and scrape out a living, fighting baby will always have that “right” – as well as the “right” to have the rest of us pay for it – even though it is known that it increases the risk of breast cancer, incompetent cervix, depression and suicide, and a life of crime.

Enjoying a piece of fried chicken will be illegal but deliberately breaking your body and the body of your child would be paid for in full.

Inconceivable.

justincase on April 28, 2009 at 10:57 AM

it is bankrupting the company country.

ThackerAgency on April 28, 2009 at 10:58 AM

I hope the insurance industry starts making some ads and running them in primetime!

JAM on April 28, 2009 at 10:56 AM

Fox has been running one for at least a month already.

ThackerAgency on April 28, 2009 at 10:59 AM

I think the plan does intend to attack the fraud factor via the on-line medical records provision, Republigal.
AnninCA on April 28, 2009 at 10:40 AM

How will that make a difference?? Just because your medical records are online, doesn’t mean it can address fraud and it does nothing to limit the amount of Medicare recipients who are getting 10 PET scans a year because they’re bored.

I would not count on the Obama administration being very competent and diligent in fighting fraud,it is not their strong suit.
Baxter Greene on April 28, 2009 at 10:50 AM

I agree, furthermore, what everybody’s missing is that this may be how Obama selling his health care reform, who wouldn’t be on board to limit fraud and unnecessary procedures, but the real story here is that he has NO INTENTION of doing so!!!

He wants his voter base to have to rely on the government even moreso. This has always been his M.O.

Republigal on April 28, 2009 at 11:05 AM

When we no longer have “choice” what are our alternatives?
JAM on April 28, 2009 at 10:56 AM

Vast amounts of this country are on the “American Idol” news cycle so they don’t have a clue beyond Obama’s hope filled speeches and spin from the MSM.

But I have to tell you that many of my friends are democrats and they are starting to shake their heads.

A good friend of mine got his bonus check this week and more than 50% of it was gone.
He was pissed to say the least.

I told him to wait until cap and trade,healthcare,and all the other “free” services hit and see what he has left.

When the reality of Obama’s socialist ideals start keeping the 5 minute news cycle voter from shopping,going out to the club,and being able to choose how they want to eat and what doctor to see,We will start to get backlash.
Right now Obama’s selling “free this and free that” and it is working with the help from the press.

Gotta keep pressure on our elected officials,
stay out in the streets at “tea parties” ,
get the message out any way possible,blogs,writing TV/Radio,
working with local politicians to hold these crooks and activist accountable.

Baxter Greene on April 28, 2009 at 11:06 AM

The American system has too many levels and approaches to health care. It is considered a for profit industry. There are lots of vested interests who won’t let socialized medicine happen.

Just be sure to add a sack of salt to the slurs cast on Canadas system.

BL@KBIRD on April 28, 2009 at 11:07 AM

HEY, are we married or something?

Sekhmet on April 28, 2009 at 10:15 AM

Lol…no, just a coincidence. It’s not my last name. My southern Italian Ma always referred to my sister and I as q’estout (this one) and q’edout (that one).

qestout on April 28, 2009 at 11:10 AM

Why are you taking it so personally?

Because it is vaguely reminiscent of statements like “some of my best friends are — but” (fill in category you are about to bash.

But, the boom-booms are going to reap the horrible consequences of Natl. Healthcare. They are a loud group. If they resist it, b/c it will impact them the most, it could be a groudswell for the other generations, who will ultimately have to pay for it.

JAM on April 28, 2009 at 10:47 AM

The elderly will be the first to reap the horrible consequences, and the boomers will be next. And then everyone else including all the ‘younger’ generations. Putting the onus on boomers to undue generations’ worth of socialization strikes me as ageist finger-pointing. Particularly given that socialism wasn’t their invention. FDR started America on that road before the first baby boomer was born.

Boomers were the first to pay heftily into these programs from their first working days, are so frankly, are the least likely to be the ones to say, OK, all my working life I paid social security and other taxes but scrap ‘em now. That would make them a credible voice, but no more so – and perhaps less – than the voices of all the younger people to follow who will pay through the nose for crappy health care.

ProfessorMiao on April 28, 2009 at 11:18 AM

but the real story here is that he has NO INTENTION of doing so!!!

He wants his voter base to have to rely on the government even moreso. This has always been his M.O.

Republigal on April 28, 2009 at 11:05 AM

You are exactly right,
The budget,
National security,
Promises he has made concerning lobbyist,earmarks,transparency,accountability.

Obama has done the exact opposite of what he promised.
Besides ABC’s Tapper,Fox,and conservative talk and blogs,it has been ignored.

Obama’s speech the other day concerning fiscal restraint
and curbing debt was the height of audacity coming from someone who has already spent more money than all the Presidents combined.

But he knows the MSM will cover for him.

Just like this NY plane fiasco,Obama can’t hide the results of his incompetence though.

His economic policies will destroy the middle class and private business owner,
His naive and weak approach to international affairs,especially terrorism,will result in our enemies becoming more belligerent, with an increase in violence and attacks nationwide or worse,failed states with nuclear weapons.
His energy policies are built on junk science and corrupt ties to “Green energy” producers that will increase the cost
dramatically to the average American.

Obama’s day of reckoning will come,we just have to make sure we can stop him from doing to much damage by getting more control in the House and Senate.

This blank check he has been given is killing us.

Baxter Greene on April 28, 2009 at 11:19 AM

I hate to have nationalization, but…
bopbottle on April 28, 2009 at 9:30 AM

Quick primer for you. Here’s your unalienable rights: Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

We have no farking social compact in any of our founding documents guaranteeing you anything but the right to pursue your desires and needs–and not at anyone elses farking expense! What don’t you get! Wishy-washy thinking like yours is killing us. Don’t you already pay enough taxes? Haven’t you been tread on enough? Can’t you grasp the truth of a concept, hold it, adhere to it, adovate for it? Do you not understand that the reason your healthcare premiums are so high is because the government mandates you to buy the full frills package and will not let you pick a la carte only what you want to be covered for? And the other reason is that you cannot generally go across state lines to buy healthcare, another anti-free market roadblock to liberty and fair pricing. DONT YOU GET IT? WE DONT NEED ALTERNATIVE PROPOSALS. WE NEED TO ROLLBACK STIFLING REGULATIONS! So sorry to shout. I pay $971 per month for private insurance, so I’m right there with you. But I pay it gladly when I know the alternative is govt rationing.

What the hell is wrong with people? Here’s a stab at it. Relativism has driven instinct and evolution backward. People simply can’t seem to affix solid truth to ideals because they’ve been trained to deny basic truths and bury them in counterfactual proposals leaving all the doors and windows open to confusion and anti-liberty indoctrination. They’re told this approach makes them sensitive and progressive, but it makes them dribbling nincompoops.

It’s YOUR liberty. Take it!

Western_Civ on April 28, 2009 at 11:20 AM

The assault on traditional American values is relentless as the drive toward total socialization gathers speed under this administration. The drums of class warfare grow louder as the liberal elitists attempt to marginalize the core attributes of freedom by redefining the very tenets of liberty. No longer do individual choice and personal responsibility represent opportunity, they are fast becoming symbols of unbridled greed and oppression of those unwilling to embrace the effort, take the risks and accept the challenges along with the inherent uncertainties that define freedom. We are fast approaching a fork in the road, which way we go may become a matter of life and death. Politicians that chose to promote success and individual choice as un-American are stoking the fires of conflict between those that have worked to succeed and those that see the fruits of success as a right and not the result of opportunities freedom provides.

dmann on April 28, 2009 at 11:20 AM

When the reality of Obama’s socialist ideals start keeping the 5 minute news cycle voter from shopping,going out to the club,and being able to choose how they want to eat and what doctor to see,We will start to get backlash.
Right now Obama’s selling “free this and free that” and it is working with the help from the press.

Baxter Greene on April 28, 2009 at 11:06 AM

You are more optimistic than I. There will surely be a backlash, but by the next election, more than half of ‘taxpayers’ won’t be paying any taxes and will be getting checks from the government to ensure that they don’t feel the bite of cap and trade. Obama is out to buy a permanent Democrat majority, and I fear that he will succeed, at least for a very long time.

ProfessorMiao on April 28, 2009 at 11:21 AM

Enjoying a piece of fried chicken will be illegal but deliberately breaking your body and the body of your child would be paid for in full.

Inconceivable.

justincase on April 28, 2009 at 10:57 AM

and remember,NO CATERPILLARS FOR OSAMA.
He has his rights.

Baxter Greene on April 28, 2009 at 11:23 AM

Thank goodness the media brought this out before the election!

JohnJ on April 28, 2009 at 10:29 AM

The media is on the take. They’ll get their bailouts. Pinch and the boys will get to fly high on the taxpayers’ dime while dining with Rahm and taking orders.

Pravda, indeed.

spmat on April 28, 2009 at 11:25 AM

dmann on April 28, 2009 at 11:20 AM

Very well put! I would add that the Left is able to redefine the tenets of liberty, as you say, because they control the grey matter from pre-K (soon to be “universal pre-K”) deep into adulthood. Debriefings are only possible by strong and well-informed parents (not many of those around anymore) or by happenstance after college. It will be very easy to raise a generation of post-secondary graduates who expect NOT to pay anything for healthcare, because most of them will not really need to avail themselves of the system until their in their 30s/40′s. Only then will they open their eyes to see the pus-filled conjunctiva they hailed from a distance in their selfish youth.

Western_Civ on April 28, 2009 at 11:31 AM

Obama is out to buy a permanent Democrat majority, and I fear that he will succeed, at least for a very long time.

ProfessorMiao on April 28, 2009 at 11:21 AM

I understand your point and have seen myself echo these same sentiments.
But when I accepted this,I felt like I had quit,given up,and it made me feel sick.

So I am counting on the fact that even some of the people who live off of the “government is taking care of me” lifestyle are going to want more and will start to reject this.

I am counting on the people who voted for one thing,then got another being angry and wanting to change this.

I am counting on the apathetic conservative to get pissed and say I am not going to accept this.

I am counting on using all types of media to get through the liberal filter to expose Obama for the hustler he is,which will hopefully get enough independents to reject this.

As true and credible as your statement is,I am hoping we can beat this type of mentality and shut down the huckster policies of the democratic party.

Baxter Greene on April 28, 2009 at 11:33 AM

The drums of class warfare grow louder as the liberal elitists attempt to marginalize the core attributes of freedom by redefining the very tenets of liberty. No longer do individual choice and personal responsibility represent opportunity, they are fast becoming symbols of unbridled greed and oppression of those unwilling to embrace the effort,

dmann on April 28, 2009 at 11:20 AM

Dam# that is dead on.

What the hell is wrong with people? Here’s a stab at it. Relativism has driven instinct and evolution backward. People simply can’t seem to affix solid truth to ideals because they’ve been trained to deny basic truths and bury them in counterfactual proposals leaving all the doors and windows open to confusion and anti-liberty indoctrination. They’re told this approach makes them sensitive and progressive, but it makes them dribbling nincompoops.

It’s YOUR liberty. Take it!

Western_Civ on April 28, 2009 at 11:20 AM

Dam# right,
I am with you brother.

Baxter Greene on April 28, 2009 at 11:38 AM

One other thing to make clear- you might not like the cost of health insurance now but nationalised medicine costs money too. You’ll still be paying for it via vastly inflated taxes- and the service you’ll get in return will be diminished. If you do want to pay for your own health insurance then you’ll have to do so on top of the taxes you already pay to the government.

The people cheering in that video don’t pay any income taxes. They are just looking for more goodies to be paid for by the rest of us. I don’t know anyone who pays taxes who actually supports nationalized health care. Everyone knows it will bankrupt the country. But nobody will oppose their own Congressmen who vote for it. By the time the country is actually bankrupt and the health care system is in ruins, the clowns like Jan Schakowsky who made it happen will be long gone.

Health insurance needs to be TOTALLY private, and TOTALLY deregulated. Employers should not pay for health insurance. People should buy it themselves, or pay a huge fine at the Emergency Room if they don’t. If people paid insurance premiums based on the services they need and on their own health, people who lead unhealthy lifestyles would change real fast; young, healthy people could buy cheap policies; and even doctors could choose which insurers to accept based on their payment speeds and service. We have nothing even approaching that now; but, as usual, the answer is not MORE government but LESS.

rockmom on April 28, 2009 at 11:40 AM

I think the plan does intend to attack the fraud factor via the on-line medical records provision,

Actually, on-line medical records are far easier to abuse than written records. An unscrupulous doctor can generate a fully documented complete exam with just the click of a mouse–and get paid for it, whether he has done any or all of the work so ‘documented’.

The unintended consequence of Obama’s push for electronic medical records will be hugely increased billing by the dishonest in the profession, with massive fraud and gigantic cost overruns–with absolutely no increase or improvement in care.

Like a sucker, I signed up for the touted ‘e-prescribing’ program (for which Medicare promises me a 2% bonus, if I document that I use it 85% of the time). The system is so slow that, on occasion, it takes over 20 minutes to process a SINGLE PRESCRIPTION (yes, I have high-speed DSL in the office. It’s the servers at the e-prescribing center that are the bottleneck). The thought of having such ‘efficiency’ transferred to all aspects of my practices is truly terrifying.

EyeSurgeon on April 28, 2009 at 11:40 AM

God, just listen to those sheep bleat away as that evil wench talks.

No word comes to mind that adequately describes the sheer idiocy.

amkun on April 28, 2009 at 11:47 AM

The private sector is united in opposing any legislation that would expand publicly funded health care over and against the virtual monopoly of insurance companies.

So this is the idiocy that America has been reduced to – the idea that the group of private companies hold a “virtual monopoly” on the private sector! Unreal. Orwell would be amazed at the depths to which the West has sunk.

These people need to be jailed. They are menaces to civilization.

progressoverpeace on April 28, 2009 at 11:49 AM

I will add that I am 52 years old and my husband and I have had ten different employer-paid health plans over the last 25 years, and we haven’t had a problem with any of them.

My last employer offered me a high-option plan with a Health Savings Account and it was great. I ended up paying less than $100 a month in premiums, and when I left the job I had $4500 in the HSA that I was able to withdraw and add to my regular savings. That is a program that really works – you pay very low premiums and then you can choose to pay out of pocket for your medical costs up to the deductible, or get reimbursed from your HSA. Even with an unexpected knee injury that required surgery and three expensive MRIs, I was better off psying the costs myself than I would have been paying $400 a month in premiums and having the costs covered by the insurance in a low-option fee-for-service plan.

People should learn to save for extraordinary medical bills. We have too many areas of our economic system now that teach people to not save for anything because if things go bad somebody else will pick up the tab – an insurance company, the government, etc.

rockmom on April 28, 2009 at 11:51 AM

One of the best aspects to us, as Canadians, living here in the US is your healthcare.

God, I feel sorry for you if you go the way of Canada. The liberals can come on here and dazzle us with lots of what they think the outcome will be, but they truly have no idea what they are asking for.

Why do you think the Canadian wealthy, politicians (yes, the same ones who tout our socialized healthcare as THE premier health care set-up) come to the U.S. when they get cancer? Why do you think Canadians pay thousands of dollars out-of-pocket, or remortgage their houses to come here? They want to live. That is not an over dramatization either.
If you want an endless litany of what nationalized healthcare looks like, I’ll be happy to spend a chunk of my day informing you. I lived in Canada for 35 years and can regale you with much eye-opening information.

caygeon on April 28, 2009 at 11:52 AM

Nancy Pelosi is really popular in the Blogosphere this morning

This Little Piggy Went to Market This Little Piggy Stayed Home This Little Piggy Had Roast Beef….

Market Trend Not Going Unnoticed.

Whatcha Gonna Do Mama Now That The Roast Beefs Gone?

Dr Evil on April 28, 2009 at 11:52 AM

We are so f’n screwed.

After 4 years of this, I wont even recognize this country anymore.

No number of Tea Party’s (which I attended) will change that either. Obama will not stop.

Yakko77 on April 28, 2009 at 11:53 AM

No number of Tea Party’s (which I attended) will change that either. Obama will not stop.

Yakko77 on April 28, 2009 at 11:53 AM

That’s true. The only thing that can stop The Precedent is the SCOTUS finally doing their job, someone investigating his illegal campaign financing and throwing the turd in prison, or someone bringing treason charges against the traitor (for any of a number of traitorous acts on The Precedent’s part) and letting him suffer the fate of a traitor. Other than that (and the chances for any of those seems slim to none) America is totally screwed … and just so the kid from Indonesia could have fun playing in the White House. Pathetic.

progressoverpeace on April 28, 2009 at 11:57 AM

I would also like to ask Jan Schakowsky where she thinks the doctors are going to come from. Do you want your surgery performed by a “doctor” from some diploma-mill medical school in the Caribbean or southeast Asia? Because that’s what we are going to get. Nobody in their right mind will go to medical school in the U.S. anymore, and every doctor over the age of 55 will retire immediately. There will be an unbelievably massive doctor shortage in the U.S. within 6 months after this thing is enacted. People with means will band together and hire their own private doctors, but everyone else will be screwed.

These liberals are engaged in a lot of magical thinking. Doctors do not grow on trees and they will not work for peanuts on government salaries.

rockmom on April 28, 2009 at 11:59 AM

OHHHHHHHHHHH
MYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
God!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Arlen Specter Switching Parties Today?
by Human Events
04/28/2009
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=31639

HUMAN EVENTS has learned from staff sources that Sen. Arlen Specter (R-Pa) is about to announce his switch to the Democratic Party

Baxter Greene on April 28, 2009 at 12:05 PM

Schakowski is a sleazy Marxist hag, and needs to be exposed to the light of day. Here in Chicago, she gets the protection of a leftist press and a one-party state political system, both of which keep her hidden from view by normal Americans.

She is among the radical left of the Democrats, scum of the scum.

Jaibones on April 28, 2009 at 12:06 PM

Obama is out to buy a permanent Democrat majority, and I fear that he will succeed, at least for a very long time.

ProfessorMiao on April 28, 2009 at 11:21 AM

I understand your point and have seen myself echo these same sentiments.
But when I accepted this,I felt like I had quit,given up,and it made me feel sick.

So I am counting on the fact that even some of the people who live off of the “government is taking care of me” lifestyle are going to want more and will start to reject this.

I am counting on the people who voted for one thing,then got another being angry and wanting to change this.

I am counting on the apathetic conservative to get pissed and say I am not going to accept this.

I am counting on using all types of media to get through the liberal filter to expose Obama for the hustler he is,which will hopefully get enough independents to reject this.

As true and credible as your statement is,I am hoping we can beat this type of mentality and shut down the huckster policies of the democratic party.

Baxter Greene on April 28, 2009 at 11:33 AM

Thanks for the pep talk. I needed that.

ProfessorMiao on April 28, 2009 at 12:07 PM

Anyone with relatives in universal health care countries like Canada, England and Israel know that you have to come to a country like America (now) where you can buy care and get it in a timely fashion.
.
There are numerous horror stories of people being told that they had to wait months for crucial cancer surgery. The delays were horrific and life threatening. That’s what these evil idiots want to impose on us.

FactsofLife on April 28, 2009 at 12:08 PM

We have too many areas of our economic system now that teach people to not save for anything because if things go bad somebody else will pick up the tab – an insurance company, the government, etc.

rockmom on April 28, 2009 at 11:51 AM

And soon to be added to that list, credit card bills!

ProfessorMiao on April 28, 2009 at 12:10 PM

These liberals are engaged in a lot of magical thinking
rockmom on April 28, 2009 at 11:59 AM

mom, they done care, this is about power and control, not reality! These whores will promise anything as long as they know there is NO accoutablity and with the media blinded by color, they can get away with it. We will be forced to deal with this one way or another. (I’ll be 53 in May ;-)

dmann on April 28, 2009 at 12:12 PM

The fact that they didn’t close the Mexican border due to the swine flu threat clearly shows that it is Obama’s intent to grant amnesty to 30 million or so illegal aliens that will then vote Democratic to insure Democratic dominance of our neo Comm (Communist) government.
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There is no other reasonable reason not to have closed the border.

FactsofLife on April 28, 2009 at 12:13 PM

ProfessorMiao on April 28, 2009 at 12:07 PM

No,thank you.
You are pretty sharp from what I read in your posts,I try to learn something new everyday.
So thank you.

Baxter Greene on April 28, 2009 at 12:13 PM

Baxter Greene on April 28, 2009 at 12:05 PM

Like I just said to rockmom;

These whores will promise anything as long as they know there is NO accoutablity

dmann on April 28, 2009 at 12:14 PM

Putting the onus on boomers to undue generations’ worth of socialization strikes me as ageist finger-pointing.

I don’t believe it is ageist to ask for the generation in power, polictically and in the private sector to stand up and do what is right. There are many boomers who are not part of the liberal elite. They have been silent too long. I want them to lead the charge against this. I am willing to fight and do everyday against the entitlement mentality that permeates my generation. The elderly will die soon enough under this “experiment”, the next generation will see their parents best efforts turn to this? That generation can and should lead the charge against Natl. Healthcare and for SS reform. They have the clout to do it. But do they have the will?

JAM on April 28, 2009 at 12:23 PM

If you want an endless litany of what nationalized healthcare looks like, I’ll be happy to spend a chunk of my day informing you. I lived in Canada for 35 years and can regale you with much eye-opening information.

caygeon on April 28, 2009 at 11:52 AM

Could I have some stories? I’m trying to compile a list of evidence to show my family that the upcoming health care change IS a Big Thing and it is NOT GOOD.

Dark-Star on April 28, 2009 at 12:38 PM

progressoverpeace at 11:57

The unkindest cut of all is that our whole system of accountability is gone, gone, gone.

We don’t have one law enforcement body in this whole nation which even cares that Obama committed document fraud regarding his birth certificate and draft registration. Nobody even cares enough to find out why he committed the crime of posting fakes – the most obvious potential motive being that there are no originals, or the original doesn’t say what he wants it to say. Which could constitute an even bigger crime. But he has already committed document fraud. And nobody is willing to investigate or charge him with it.

That scares the hell out of me. When the control is that permeating we’ve lost everything. Without the rule of law there are no laws. What’s the point in even arguing about laws, since nobody will enforce them?

People poo-pooh the eligibility issue but what is at stake here is the whole rule of law, which is a prerequisite for all three branches of government to mean anything. Without the rule of law we don’t have a government. Period. We have mafia rule. I’d say that’s a whopping big issue. If this is considered a trivial thing by even conservatives, then America is already gone. At the hands of the conservatives.

justincase on April 28, 2009 at 12:45 PM

If you don’t believe me on the document fraud, I challenge you to go to http://www.factcheck.org/Uploadedfiles/birth_certificate.5.jpg and compare the circle cut in half by the top fold with the supposed “seal” cut in half by the bottom fold. The top circle bends with the fold. The “seal” doesn’t.

Somebody tell me how a seal on a page could fail to bend when the page bends.

That seal was never on that piece of paper. It was added to the photo by somebody at Factcheck.org. Why would they forge a seal on a document if it already had a seal – which every non-forged COLB would have?

There’s been a lot of smoke and mirrors on this issue, but this is something even my untrained, stupid eyes can see right in front of my face. It has been reported to law enforcement all over the country. To my knowledge, there is one sheriff in Arizona (?) who has said he will investigate. Any bets as to whether he gets to see the original documents?

justincase on April 28, 2009 at 12:59 PM

Gulp…

MSNBC is reporting that Arlen Specter has swithed parties to Democrats..giving them the 60 votes needed for veto proof majority in the Senate once Franken is seated in MN.

Now we are screwed royally.

txdoc on April 28, 2009 at 1:14 PM

Putting the onus on boomers to undue generations’ worth of socialization strikes me as ageist finger-pointing.

I don’t believe it is ageist to ask for the generation in power, polictically and in the private sector to stand up and do what is right. There are many boomers who are not part of the liberal elite. They have been silent too long. I want them to lead the charge against this. I am willing to fight and do everyday against the entitlement mentality that permeates my generation. The elderly will die soon enough under this “experiment”, the next generation will see their parents best efforts turn to this? That generation can and should lead the charge against Natl. Healthcare and for SS reform. They have the clout to do it. But do they have the will?

JAM on April 28, 2009 at 12:23 PM

I really don’t like the generational blame game you’re playing, Jam. Somehow I don’t think “Boomers Against Obama” would grab the public imagination, and certainly not that of younger generations who seem to have little more than contempt for boomers as a ‘group’, blaming us for everything from global warming to deficits.

ProfessorMiao on April 28, 2009 at 1:20 PM

ProfessorMiao

Would you stop whining, please? You have no problem assigning the whiny, entitlement mentality to the next generations after you. Boomers are responsible for a big portion of this mess and your excuse-laden response about FDR laying the groundwork for socialism doesn’t excuse boomers for expanding it.

I expect everyone who believes in America they way it was founded to fight against these socialist policies. Is it too much to ask the largest segment of the population to lead the charge? I guess it is, according to you. I’m just afraid that if your generation doesn’t take the lead and change it while you have the power to do so, there will be an Atlas Shrugged moment in the very near future in my generation and those after, where a tax revolt will ensue and the boomers will be left w/nothing as a result.

JAM on April 28, 2009 at 1:43 PM

ThackerAgency on April 28, 2009 at 10:04 AM

Disclaimer: I work for a P&C insurance company (not medical)

I agree with this because the insurance companies basically write every piece of legislation that congress passes on health care. Insurance companies are brilliant, and they have a ton of cash.

Insurance companies do not write legislation. They sponsor political PACs (like many companies), but they do not write legislation. That being said, they may or may not have a lot of power. I would say they have less power with this Administration / Congress.

Insurance companies no longer have “a ton of cash”. Insurance companies rarely make any money on premiums. Premiums are used to make investments. Insurance companies make nearly all their money on the investments. They experienced the 8,000 DOW drop just like the rest of us. My company (name withheld) lost more than $200 million from a nearly 800 million reserve… with extremely conservative investments. That ton of cash isn’t so large now.

The medicare bill was a boon for insurance companies. I was excited about it until I saw the result was an increase in COST to the system when the RX companies raised their prices overnight due to the new insurance for seniors.

Increased administrative paperwork and requirements WILL increase the cost of the system. Typical government intrusion results…

The only problem is that people who are sick can’t get insurance. States have been addressing that with risk pool programs and the one in NC is fantastic. [snip]

So what you’re saying is that insurance companies shouldn’t have a right to refuse risky coverage… similar to mortgages… and your little liberal heart doesn’t like that.

If administrative and legal requirements weren’t so extensive, there would be many more options on how to cover everybody. But why would our power-grabbing government want that? There would be no crisis to exploit…

Insurance companies are going to write a bill that will benefit them.

Focus… insurance companies do not write bills, legislators interacting with PACs do that.

If insurance companies are going to lose money, there won’t be a bill.

Well, to state the obvious… INSURANCE COMPANIES ARE BUSINESSES! Businesses who don’t make money (and aren’t seized by government power-struggles) go under… harming their customers.

It is 20% of the economy. That much money isn’t going to be given up without a fight. . . and it’ll be bloody.

I do think there is a chance of things turning bloody, but it won’t be with insurance companies, but with the government.

They’ll eventually force people to buy an insurance plan like auto insurance. . . but insurance companies will benefit. . . or nothing will happen.

Insurance companies, long-term, will not benefit. You can see this with the medical profession right now. Medicare/Medicaid determine what procedures are covered and how much they will pay for the procedures (usually way low!). Once socialization takes over, everything is about limiting costs… not what is best for the patient. Insurance companies will be forced to cover all people, with all risks, and everyone else will be forced to cover it… raising premiums… which will cause the government to enact legislation restricting the increase of premiums… which will cause a drop is service.

But of course, its not because insurance companies are large inefficient bureaucracies, made even worse by government administrative and overreaching requirements… its because they’re EVIL!… /sarc

dominigan on April 28, 2009 at 2:23 PM

If you want an endless litany of what nationalized healthcare looks like, I’ll be happy to spend a chunk of my day informing you. I lived in Canada for 35 years and can regale you with much eye-opening information.

caygeon on April 28, 2009 at 11:52 AM
Could I have some stories? I’m trying to compile a list of evidence to show my family that the upcoming health care change IS a Big Thing and it is NOT GOOD.

Dark-Star on April 28, 2009 at 12:38 PM

My 4 year old is at my knee, I’ll have to be quick…
It’s this four year old who was born in the US, my other three were born at three different hospitals in Ontario. Having a baby here is like a 4 star hotel stay in comparison.

In Ontario, when you go in to have a baby you must purchase and pack all the supplies you are going to need post partum. Every diaper, wipe, feminine products are your own responsibility and God help you if you have to ask for a diaper because you ran out. Your stool softener tablets and tylenol are issued to you in a Ziplock bag and thats it, if you require more than the doled out 4 tablets of each, than call your husband to bring them in. (You don’t get the “free sample” stuff in Canada, as the hospitals are not purchasing any of the stuff themselves. Pampers and Huggies aren’t making any money from the hospitals, so they usually aren’t so generous to the patients.

Here is a run down of 2008 from my family in Ontario:
In May we buried my aunt. Her aggressive melanoma was diagnosed in 2007 as a spider bite by her over-worked small town doctor. Her next visit was regarding her lymph nodes, which, of course, was now the additional location of the cancer. She waited 4-5 weeks to see a specialist. When she finally got to the doctor she was informed that he was not actually in this field and so they “fast tracked” her to another specialist 2 weeks later. By now it was all about slowing down the inevitable. In the end, the hospice was so old and out dated, the toilets were black from rust on the inside.

Later in 2008 my 5 months pregnant sister showed up at emerg and waited 3 hours for someone to look at a skin problem on her legs. (It was diagnosed as cellulitis…look that condition up if you want to understand the severity of it). Her legs were weeping onto the floor at emerg and nary a piece of gauze to aid her and ths situation did not warrent her moving up the triage line. (This is in one of the newest hospitals in the largest city in Canada). When they finally made the diagnosis what was her treatment? Well, as she sat in one of the public waiting room chairs she had an IV port put in, was given a dose of antibiotics and released, with the IV port still in, being told to return the next day for another dose. She still had to go through the readmission process and another 3 hour wait to get said dose. Many beds were there within easy eyeshot, but without the nursing staff (not enough funding), they could not be used. Thankfully her condition cleared up.
When it was time to deliver her baby, she showed up at the hospital, only to be turned away and sent to a strange hospital miles away as they had no available beds.

My SIL waited 5 hours to have what she thought was a broken arm on her 5 year old daughter. They actually left without being seen as her daughter seemed to be tolerating her arm more that the 5 hours of waiting in a creepy emergency room!

That is one year in my family only. My girlfriend lost her father after he was admitted for a routine bypass and had subsequent complications from infection. Infections are probably one of the worst problems in facilities that are understaffed by overworked nurses who do not spend enough time sterilizing between patients. (My aunt, the one who passed away, was a surgical nurse before her retirement. She actually wrote to the Minister of Health and the hospital administration about the lapses in hand washing and medical supply cleaning procedure she witnessed during her stays.)
That is a one-year glimpse at one famiy’s experience with socialized medicine. I could go back further for many more stories, but you can get the idea from this.

People in Canada think this is all normal and have no idea what the health care potential is.

I have no idea what liberal proponants are picturing as nationalized healthcare, but if they truly love their families (as every family inevitably must come face to face with the medical community at some point), they will make every effort to fully understand what it is they are asking for. I suspect many of them think that those who are not covered with insurance will just suddenly get the coverage everyone enjoys. That is a mistake that will cost them greatly, and it is a mistake that will end up with a “I wish I had known” in the end.

I’m sure there are muliple typos in there, but I’m out of time and cannot proof read…sorry.

caygeon on April 28, 2009 at 2:41 PM

Would you stop whining, please? You have no problem assigning the whiny, entitlement mentality to the next generations after you.

JAM – I wasn’t, in fact assigning blame to the next generations but parodying you by changing the ‘target’ age-group. Trying to point out that you can pick any point in history and blame the then dominant generation for whatever you don’t like about that era, while completely ignoring the antecedents that gave rise to it. Too bad you didn’t pick up on that.

My point is that you are engaging in divisiveness of the worst sort in your unrelenting boomer-bashing. Your idea that the generation who the younger folks blame for everything that is wrong with the world and like to write off as hopelessly out of date are the only people who SHOULD take any responsibility or leadership on the issue of entitlements is ludicrous.

Boomers are responsible for a big portion of this mess and your excuse-laden response about FDR laying the groundwork for socialism doesn’t excuse boomers for expanding it.

Excuse-laden? FDR started it 30 years before boomers were eligible to vote.

I expect everyone who believes in America they way it was founded to fight against these socialist policies. Is it too much to ask the largest segment of the population to lead the charge?

Boomers are only the largest segment of the population if your segments are generations. They are not a majority of the population, which I would think is a little more relevant.

I guess it is, according to you.

I love the way you keep moving the goal posts. First, it’s boomers are solely to blame. Next its boomers have a greater responsibility to fix this than anyone else. Now its boomers need to do their part.

And now you imply disingenuously that I have been suggesting that boomers have no responsibility to fix it.

I’m just afraid that if your generation doesn’t take the lead and change it while you have the power to do so, there will be an Atlas Shrugged moment in the very near future in my generation and those after, where a tax revolt will ensue and the boomers will be left w/nothing as a result.

JAM on April 28, 2009 at 1:43 PM

Sure you are.

ProfessorMiao on April 28, 2009 at 3:12 PM

I’ve worked with medical insurance for nine years.

I’ve talked with doctors about health insurance.

I’ve talked with people who have health insurance.

I have three letters for those who believe that the government will be a better gatekeeper for health insurance:

H M O

madmonkphotog on April 28, 2009 at 4:10 PM

It’s so pathetic how badly people are in denial about the fact that we have a socialist president.

RightWinged on April 28, 2009 at 4:25 PM

Government run health care… it will be just like the options of NASA during the 1980′s!

You can have it Cheap!
You can have High Quality!
You can have easily Available!

Choose two out of three.

ajacksonian on April 28, 2009 at 4:45 PM

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