FAA memo: Feds knew Scare Force One would cause panic
posted at 7:45 pm on April 28, 2009 by Allahpundit
Via JWF, I’m almost comforted by the revelation. The possibility that they’d be so stupid as not to know that buzzing lower Manhattan with a jumbo jet might freak people out is too terrible to contemplate.
Now all we have to do is figure out why a “photo op” would be such a terrifically big secret that not even the mayor of New York was in on it. Does that make any sense at all? “We need a new stock shot of Air Force One near the Statue of Liberty. Don’t tell a soul.”
Federal officials knew that sending two fighter jets and Air Force One to buzz ground zero and Lady Liberty might set off nightmarish fears of a 9/11 replay, but they still ordered the photo-op kept secret from the public.
In a memo obtained by CBS 2 HD the Federal Aviation Administration’s James Johnston said the agency was aware of “the possibility of public concern regarding DOD (Department of Defense) aircraft flying at low altitudes” in an around New York City. But they demanded total secrecy from the NYPD, the Secret Service, the FBI and even the mayor’s office and threatened federal sanctions if the secret got out…
The NYPD was so upset about the demand for secrecy that Police Commissioner Ray Kelly vowed never to follow such a directive again and he accused the feds of inciting fears of a 9/11 replay.
The cost of this debacle, by the way? Just shy of $329,000. Think of it as a stimulus: The amount of booze, smokes, and anti-anxiety meds alone that New Yorkers must have consumed in the aftermath of this mass panic attack was probably worth $10-20 mil to the city.
I just got this info sent to me about the photo op / flyover yesterday with Air Force One ….the one that sent people running in NYC…yes, scared them to death! They now say it was a training mission…hhm….they needed training? and the cost? see (by the way, how much flu vaccination can you get for $325,000+? )
Follow the link for a breakdown of the cost. Question for Air Force vets: Is “training mission” military jargon for “photo op”? What were they “training” to do here precisely, besides killing people on the ground from fright?










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And that doesn’t include personnel costs.
Y-not on April 28, 2009 at 10:02 PM
Crew time and maintenance costs are factored in that as well…I’m guessing other costs too.
AUINSC on April 28, 2009 at 10:02 PM
Plus fuel for the chase planes, crew pay, ground support and personnel…and that Wagyu beef lunch entree provided for the passengers. I think that runs the costs a bit higher than a mere $50k.
coldwarrior on April 28, 2009 at 10:02 PM
Sure. And don’t forget the costs for the fighter escort as well.
Rip Ford on April 28, 2009 at 10:03 PM
I have one but only watch Netflix on weekends. After election night I canceled my satellite and I live in a rural area, so no tv.
carbon_footprint on April 28, 2009 at 10:03 PM
Y-not on April 28, 2009 at 10:03 PM
Dude, you get on my nerves from time to time but then you redeem yourself by being morbidly hilarious. Like here.
baldilocks on April 28, 2009 at 10:07 PM
My BS meter, still on tilt. These people were so serious, I’m beginning to think there really might have been some important folk on that plane, because I read somewhere that the “secrecy” was dictated because that big plane, at such low altitude, was indeed vulnerable to being shot down, which rings true to my small intellect.
Now, it could have been justifiable worry simply because it’s just such an extraordinarily expensive piece of equipment, but then why fly it around at all?
“Training,” of all things, really doesn’t make any sense at all…to anybody. “Training” so Obama, the farmer, can see if this huge arse plane works as a crop duster? Maybe they wanted to see if AF One could withstand a bird strike. Who knows what the next excuse will be?
marybel on April 28, 2009 at 10:10 PM
Wasn’t this accusation the ones our Lefty friends kept hurling at Bush over the last four to five years? Except I don’t recall Bush actually doing anything to incite panic; all he did was discuss potential threats.
But this lamebrained stunt? I think it speaks volumes that under President Hopeychange, people were not surprised to see a plane flying over NYC – frightened, yes, but not surprised.
What say ye, CODEPINK? Credo? Soros?
/crickets
Wanderlust on April 28, 2009 at 10:12 PM
My guess is that the mission was in the morning because that’s when the Statue of Liberty is lit best. Lady Liberty faces east, so her face would be lit by the rising sun until noon, after which the sun would light her from the back and cast her face in shadow.
Of course, the pilots for the VC-25, the customized B747 that carries the President, would need regular training. The President does not fly enough for his pilots to keep current. They would have to fly training flights to maintain their qualifications in such things as approaches, landings, air refuelings, and just flight time. An airplane is not like a car. You need to fly so many hours each month to stay sharp.
If you look at the mission profile for a B-52, it may perform many separate training tasks in a twelve hour flight. The flight from DC to NYC doesn’t take that long. It’s likely that could be added to a training flight. They might do the photo opp first, then go on to check off the rest of their training events.
You also have to fly a jet to keep it healthy, especially a big complex jet like the B747. A big jet like that is more likely to break if it just sits in the hangar. You’ve got to keep those fluids moving and exercise the subsystems a minimum amount to keep them working in good condition.
You constantly have equipment being repaired and modified in a command and control platform like the VC-25 and new gear installed. That would require test flights, which could be combined with training flights.
So, yeah, it makes sense that the Manhattan flight was a training flight with a photo opportunity thrown in. No, it doesn’t make sense you could just Photoshop it, ie lie to the public like Iran with its Photoshopped missiles and whatnot.
However, it’s pretty stupid judgement to think you can sneak a jumbo jet with a couple trailing fighters around New York harbor and fly up the Hudson River, right past the site of the World Trade Center, and it would not attract notice or cause panic. Everyone who lives and works along that Hudson River corridor know the Sep 11 skyjackers flew low leve down it and are front loaded to interpret any similar flight as terrorism. New Yorkers first thought that Sully’s flight down the Hudson some weeks ago for a water landing was a terror event at first.
The significance of this flight is that the White House has become complacent about the terror threat, has even dismissed it, stuffed it down the memory hole. Obama can ignore terrorists all he wants, but they won’t ignore him. This incident reveals a White House that is out of touch with reality, dismissive of threats from enemies it thinks it can charm into submission. It reads something like the Sitzkrieg or Phony War before Hitler invaded France, back when people believed war was unlikely.
Tantor on April 28, 2009 at 10:13 PM
They fuel almost all Air Force jets with JP-8, which is Jet A-1(not Jet A) plus several additives. It’s purchased at one standard price worldwide from the Defense Energy Supply Center.
Even so, AF-1 is based in Maryland and would not need to refuel in NY/NJ for such a short hop.
Also, the fuel isn’t the entire cost…any time you talk about the cost for a flight, you’re talking ‘flying hour dollars,’ which includes the parts and maintenance costs. On AF-1, this is justifiably huge since it’s an amazingly complex aircraft, they take absolutely no chances with the cargo, and they only have one spare to work with. There’s more that goes into it, too…but I’ve been out of the supply biz for too long to remember MX stuff and I never had a chance to ask my dad about his work for the SAM team at Andrews AFB (now SAM-FOX) when he was alive.
James on April 28, 2009 at 10:17 PM
This is great advice. I myself am not versed in the finer arts of FOIA but, as a 2nd amendment advocate, am learning. For those of you with the time, I urge you to go this route. Hit all the organizations listed in the post above. What they don’t send or redact can be as telling as what is revealed.
riverrat10k on April 28, 2009 at 10:20 PM
I can top that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S47sO1TCVmE
HELP! MAKE IT STOP!!!
Daggett on April 28, 2009 at 10:20 PM
Even more ridiculous is that SWINE is an animal, i.e. “Any of various omnivorous, even-toed ungulates of the family Suidae, including pigs, hogs, and boars, having a stout body with thick skin, a short neck, and a movable snout.”
PORK is the tasty stuff that comes from these animals, aka “the other white meat”.
If you’re going to be the PC language police, then at least do it correctly. Freakin’ idiots are taking over.
gregbert on April 28, 2009 at 10:24 PM
I pray you’re not a cost accountant.
TheBigOldDog on April 28, 2009 at 10:26 PM
Good questions for tomorrow night’s presser. After they get done with the “how is the puppy doing” tough ones, if they have time..
PattyJ on April 28, 2009 at 10:28 PM
PS – it helps the quality of your posts when you actually take the time to read the article:
Obama Orders Review of New York Flight as Cost Put at $328,835
TheBigOldDog on April 28, 2009 at 10:29 PM
Considering the true source of the infections, I think they would be more accurate by calling it the ‘H1B visa virus.’
(Except they don’t really apply for visas, do they?)
James on April 28, 2009 at 10:30 PM
a conspiracy theorist would think that if a president were proud of a whole in Manhattan, he’d want the symbol of his power photographed in the foreground.
maybe some geek will calculate the position of the F16 in relation to AF1 to determine what photo was so important the WH required secrecy.
cpr on April 28, 2009 at 10:30 PM
Anyone else hear on talk radio tonight, I think it was the michael savage show, that it was a rogue person who stole the plane. Why else would the NYPD and Bloomberg not know about this? Is Obama trying to hide that we had yet another plane flying in our airspace when they should not have been? Anyone else hear any of this talk??
texasconserv on April 28, 2009 at 10:32 PM
Tantor on April 28, 2009 at 10:13 PM
I thank you, Tantor, for helping calm my meter. Your thoughts and its points about the plane and its maintenance make good sense to me. I also agree with your thoughts toward the end of your comment. What an insufferable, insensitive, self-wrapped POTUS we are enduring. Sheesh.
Obama is not the least interested in the well-being of the American people, but I knew that already.
marybel on April 28, 2009 at 10:34 PM
To quote baldilocks on such images: Not clicking.
Loxodonta on April 28, 2009 at 10:34 PM
The flight very likely included valid training mission, with the photo done following a simulated instrument approach, or something similar.
Still handled almost incredibly ineptly, though.
exhelodrvr on April 28, 2009 at 10:34 PM
Actually, seems highly qualified for GSA. :-)
Not ripping on Rip Ford…it is just that too many of us rarely consider a lot of costs when we look at everyday things.
I was very minor part of a program way back when we offered and then gave a country some old F-5′s/F-20′s. Just a handful for their nascent defense forces, to replace some old Soviet stuff that had been destroyed or had simply deteriorated past the poiint of recovery. That part of the world is bad for aircraft. [Go to Google Earth sometime, see a lot of foreign airfields in the Third World with dozens and dozens of dead aircraft shoved over to the tree lines...]
Anyway, the procurement folks came up with a figure….and sent it forward. Everybody was happy. Signed off happily all up the chain.
Talked to an officer about a year down the road and he was pretty well fit to be tied. The aircraft were the cheapest part of it all. Costs to send the aircraft abroad were expensive, costs to send support personnel and equipment were also high, then came the pilot training at Lackland and a few other bases here in the States, and costs related to that effort were high, and as each day passed, and the costs went up…seems everybody in the fiscal pipeline were loaded for bear trying to find the idiot folks who came up with that noble idea in the first place…
Stayed away from that part of DC for a while.
coldwarrior on April 28, 2009 at 10:36 PM
APPLAUSE
Del Dolemonte on April 28, 2009 at 10:39 PM
A simulated approach to where a skyscraper in lower Manhattan?
Hey maybe Obama just wanted to remind those peons on Wall Street who’s in charge now…
TheBigOldDog on April 28, 2009 at 10:40 PM
Thank you for your informative input. However, I could not shake my hunch that it was a joyride for people that the Idiot-in-chief is beholden to. Obama would certainly know about this stunt that terrorized, yet again, the people of NYC.
mz.josephine on April 28, 2009 at 10:42 PM
Besides the absolute incompetence and dishonesty coming from the White House being discussed,this is the point I am hearing from the pundits (The Fox roundtable at 6:50,the NPR democratic lady voiced this over and over) combined with the release of the interrogation memos showing a total memory blank or Amnesia concerning the events of 9/11 and the fact we are still at war.
The War on Terror is simply a “bother” to the Obama administration and will be drastically brought down so that he can spend more time and money concentrating of Global Warming initiatives,healthcare/business sector nationalization, and forming the Acorn Army.
You are exactly right,
all because Obama doesn’t take it seriously does not mean the jihadist aren’t .
They are licking their chops watching our American Idol President flop around from one photo op to the next while Rome burns.
Baxter Greene on April 28, 2009 at 10:43 PM
Yeah, I’m with Big Dog on this.
This dude has been giving us the FDR Great Depression schtick ever since he got elected, but he can justify this foolishness somehow? Why did he need a new picture of AF1 — did they slap his wacky logo on it or something?
Y-not on April 28, 2009 at 10:44 PM
I agree. Janet Napolitano is the lowest hanging fruit in the Obama administration. She needs to go.
Loxodonta on April 28, 2009 at 10:45 PM
So their training includes flying 1,000 feet above the street of NYC with fighters in tow?
TheBigOldDog on April 28, 2009 at 10:45 PM
Shoulda’ used A-10′s, then.
/sarc
Y-not on April 28, 2009 at 10:45 PM
All you have to do is watch one of the many videos posted on Youtube to see if this was a “training mission” it was to train how to evade fighters and fly into buildings.
TheBigOldDog on April 28, 2009 at 10:46 PM
Good of the Government to remind us of 9/11 so graphically. Now that we have been reminded of what we are fighting, let’s get back to the War on Terror which has been so recently marginalized by our President’s open hand policy.
unclesmrgol on April 28, 2009 at 10:46 PM
The fighters were there to shoo off (or it is shoot down?) any private planes that got close.
unclesmrgol on April 28, 2009 at 10:47 PM
So, the “training flight/photo op” intruded into public VFR airspace, and nobody informed the thousands of private pilots in the area?
Now, I am really angry.
Just one plane, with a small family, taking advantage of the clear skies and warm weather, sucked into a 747/VC-25 vortex and plummeting to the ground, and the “O” administration would laugh it off as a mere “mistake?”
Or, a private plane seeing the oncoming formation of three aircraft, banking sharply to avoid a mid-air and flying in front of another privater aircraft trying to land at Teterboro?
This “training mission/photo op” is making my blood boil.
coldwarrior on April 28, 2009 at 10:47 PM
It probably would have caused less panic. They would have seen a military jet and probably felt more at ease.
TheBigOldDog on April 28, 2009 at 10:48 PM
As it should. There has to be more to this story but due to a corrupt media and incompotent opposition Party, we’ll never find out the whole story.
TheBigOldDog on April 28, 2009 at 10:51 PM
Good point!
Y-not on April 28, 2009 at 10:51 PM
Nancy Pelosi needed to get to a sale at Macy’s.
Jerricho68 on April 28, 2009 at 10:52 PM
I assume they were taking the picture since it’s king of tough to take a picture of AF1 with the Statue of Liberty in the background from inside AF1. If they were simply taking pictures from AF1 of the local landmarks then they should all be in jail tonight.
TheBigOldDog on April 28, 2009 at 10:52 PM
Once again, within memory, when was the last time a VC-25 flew across America with a close formation fighter escort?
9/11…from Florida to Lousiana (Barksdale AFB) and from Barksdale to Andrews about 12-18 hours later. A DEFCON-2 situation.
That would be enough, by itself, to cause concern of the citizens…
coldwarrior on April 28, 2009 at 10:53 PM
You’ve seen the videos right? If not check out the latest one that posted in one of the threads here. It looks like it’s headed for a building for sure… a 1,000 feet off the ground of lower Manhattan. It’s so close to the ground the engines screaming over-saturate the mic on the recorder. Unreal…
TheBigOldDog on April 28, 2009 at 10:57 PM
I’m hard pressed to think of anything that could have terrified those people more than an enormous commercial airliner 1,000 feet off the streets of Manhattan with fighter in tow. They could have rolled down wall street with tanks and missile launchers and caused less panic.
TheBigOldDog on April 28, 2009 at 10:59 PM
And right over West 30th Street Airport…general aviation, mostly air taxis (helos)…could of had a mid-air right then and there if an air taxi to Newark was getting off the ground.
coldwarrior on April 28, 2009 at 11:01 PM
Annoying like a gnat. I like that.
JellyToast on April 28, 2009 at 11:12 PM
I think I see the face of Satan in the shadow under the wing.
Anyone else see that??
JellyToast on April 28, 2009 at 11:14 PM
Yes. And they have to be hammered again and again until every aspect of this mission, from its inception to the coverup is disclosed.
Loxodonta on April 28, 2009 at 11:19 PM
Anyone find out who was on the plane? Perhaps the Mrs.?
deidre on April 28, 2009 at 11:21 PM
The lack of outrage in the MSM is SICKENING. We have the “worst economy since the great depression” (which, btw, wasn’t the case, until Obama pushed through his policies), yet we can afford $329,000 TAX PAYER DOLLARS to scare the sh** out of New Yorkers and tourists? And yes, that is all they achieved. They could have used photoshop if they genuinely just wanted AF1 with the Statue of Liberty, as Beck explained today… and it cost him $800 to create the image.
This is so effed up, I’m tempted to listen to the conspiracy theoriests on YouTube who believe this is some sort of “test” on the reaction of NYers and first responders, because the feds have some knowledge of an impending attack. Granted, that suggestion is retarded, but I can’t help but wonder why the administration would do this. I mean they’re stupid, but surely there are enough people involved here that someone would have been smart enough to nix this thing.
RightWinged on April 28, 2009 at 11:27 PM
For some reason, I’ve been thinking that George Soros and a select band of followers was on the aircraft.
Who else would have the gravitas to have the aircraft make a quick run up Manhattan’s West Side Highway?
coldwarrior on April 28, 2009 at 11:28 PM
This was not a cargo flight, no stalls.
This was a training flight/photo op.
You know Obama doesn’t fly enough to allow real training for any of these guys.
Hmmm, let’s see. European junket, what else, oh east Caribbean junket, what else, oh, Hawaiian junket. What else?
That’s how many tax payer miles again?
How’s that compare to the first 100 days of Any past president?
OkieDoc on April 28, 2009 at 11:33 PM
Does Satan’s face have nicely shaped eye brows?
/s
Y-not on April 28, 2009 at 11:45 PM
I told you boys and girls months ago that Obama was an idiot! Now this is more proof and more of you are coming around. Thanks!!
apco on April 28, 2009 at 11:48 PM
Can somebody explain why New Yorkers were so scared of low-flying planes in the New “Everyone Loves Americans” Age of Obama? Wasn’t 9/11 just some massively orchestrated VRWC bit of “Loose Change” out to benefit Bush’s oil baron friends, a few Saudi sheik relatives, his Skull and Bones Society, and the Bilderberg New World Order? With Bush out of office, aren’t low-flying planes just low-flying planes again?
Or were all those New Yorkers who called in to radio stations or evac’d their offices buildings mid-morning all Republicans? Because, as we all know, the only people who “fear” “terrorists”……are Republicans.
/sarc
orville on April 28, 2009 at 11:49 PM
Nope. Guy asked why the flight was so expensive and I’m not anal retentive enough to try and put together a full cost breakdown when fuel costs alone ought to get across the point that flying a 747 around is a very expensive proposition.
Rip Ford on April 29, 2009 at 12:10 AM
Obama knew.
Only angry becuase people are condemning it and he may finally face one iota of scrutiny.
clnurnberg on April 29, 2009 at 12:14 AM
Definitely Soros. He’s involved in this administration in so many ways there has to be some major payback. Sickening.
NTWR on April 29, 2009 at 12:17 AM
Looks to me like the leftist/media/liberal alliance was sending up a test balloon to see what they can get away with as far as the pube-lick is concerned. No stupidity involved at all; I may sound a little paranoid right now, but see if you still think I was paranoid a couple of years from now.
cjk on April 29, 2009 at 12:46 AM
Do you think Obama will “know” when the feds release a bunch of pigs in downtown Manhattan for a photo shoot? /sarc
Upstater85 on April 29, 2009 at 12:46 AM
Please note that our many resident trolls are staying far, far away from this.
It is no coincidence, and they have been specifically told to do so. The most you will hear is them admitting it was Caldera’s fault and he should be thrown under the bus.
They are waiting for their flood-the-zone tactics and the 24-hour news cycle to send this incident down the Memory Hole.
Christien on April 29, 2009 at 12:57 AM
NY City equals full Obama slavery anyplace anytime….kharma
DCJeff on April 29, 2009 at 1:04 AM
It’s just part of the “most transparent administration evah!”
petunia on April 29, 2009 at 1:25 AM
All I know is, the pilot was adamant about only learning to fly in a “straight line” – no takeoffs, no landings. ;-)
There, replaced it with the PC term so that it can be adopted by the world community without a second thought.
+1
Nor is keeping his birth records secret, but I digress.
RD on April 29, 2009 at 1:28 AM
It’s late………..
……… just for “shits and giggles”, I’m going call the White House to ask if they know where Air Force One is.
Should be a hoot…….
Seven Percent Solution on April 29, 2009 at 1:49 AM
Who’s kidding who..Bloomberg KNEW…he is using his underling as a biatch-slapper. He is saving his own hide.
C’mon..someone beneath him will actually not tell him Air Force one will buzz NYC? Right. Socialist, arrogant idiots, grow up.
malkinmania on April 29, 2009 at 2:29 AM
I, for one, certainly feel safer knowing that our President can order a buzz job of Manhattan by Air Force One and some F-16 jets.
This not only scared the H-E double-L out of New Yorkers (they voted for him!), but will serve as a warning to anyone who contemplates attacking our nation that we will not hesitate to launch photo ops against them without warning!
Stepan on April 29, 2009 at 4:57 AM
Follow up memo to Hussein:
The world is watching, you idiot!
Stepan on April 29, 2009 at 4:59 AM
It’s stupid and absurd , it’s got Obamas name written all over it.
It’s “Mission Accomplished”.
If obama had told people , and maybe done it on a weekend , he could have crowds waving.
the_nile on April 29, 2009 at 5:09 AM
A mistake?
Kinda sorta like when we bombed the Chinese Embassy during Operation Allied Force?
Bombing embassies is something terrorists do.
Consequently, when American war planes bombed the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade last May,
administration officials expressed disbelief and then shock that anything so inexplicable could happen.
DSchoen on April 29, 2009 at 5:38 AM
Sorry, but making a questionable assumption like that eventually ends up just frustrating you and annoying the teleprompter.
Yoop on April 29, 2009 at 5:44 AM
Obama is “furious”?? Thats the New Socialist’s fax memo word..”furious”. Kinda like how OJ Simpson was “furious” when Nicole was found sliced and diced.
malkinmania on April 29, 2009 at 6:09 AM
I don’t care what they call it, it was a bone head thing to do.
Terrye on April 29, 2009 at 7:08 AM
Sorry if this has already been asked;
Why did this incident arouse such abject terror in Manhattan when we didn’t see the same for the emergency landing in the Hudson? I know AF1 was buzzing lower Manhattan and the other started further north. But did they have drivers from the GW Bridge recounting their terror of seeing that plane bearing down on them when that story aired?
Just curious.
TugboatPhil on April 29, 2009 at 7:30 AM
Tugboatphil:
Several reasons, the engines were out, thus quiet. The plane didn’t circle and bank and make menacing approaches, it is quite a bit smaller, it wasn’t 10AM on a Monday in Lower Manhattan.
Oh, and there weren’t fighter jets chasing it.
James on April 29, 2009 at 7:45 AM
As somebody else pointed out, neither the Statue of Liberty nor Air Force One have changed since the last photo op of AF1 flying past the statue.
So why was there a need for a new picture? Especially one that would cost over $300,000 to take!
As for conspiracy theories, I can’t imagine how reminding New Yorkers of 9/11 and hence the need for the war on terror would benefit Obama in the slightest.
Somebody has mentioned the possibility of there being some A list celebrities or major party contributors on the plane and the whole thing was designed to give them a good show.
Though the White House denies it, this is the only theory that I have heard, that makes any sense to me.
MarkTheGreat on April 29, 2009 at 8:11 AM
It was a probe.
/
sandspur on April 29, 2009 at 8:22 AM
Nope. There’s got to be more to this than they’re telling us.
petefrt on April 29, 2009 at 8:31 AM
MarkTheGreat on April 29, 2009 at 8:11 AM
Interesting indeed. yeah private tours of ground zero in the Presidential plane for favors or money. No press access, so we will have a tough time proving anything and oh lets hope no one was a freakin spy and put a bug on the plane.
When this guy is out of office, we’re gonna need a total sweep of all the facilities.
The other theory could be he just wants to inflict a power show and show how he can control the public’s panic button.
Anothery theory is it was a test to see if anyone would take a swipe at the plane. By the way, its not called Air Force One unless he’s on it. If he wasnt on it, it was just a Presidential 747.
johnnyU on April 29, 2009 at 8:32 AM
I don’t think for one moment that anyone will ask O about this for tonight. If they do, it will not be answered. Has Robert Gibbs ever answered a question? Has Obama ever answered a question? There is no way he didn’t know that AF-1 wasn’t available to him on Monday. Who was in than plane is irreavant. They are lying all the way down the line.
BetseyRoss on April 29, 2009 at 8:32 AM
I want to know who was on this plane. Is there any reporter out there that might be curious enough to find out? The journalists now are nothing but stenographers for Rahm Emanuel and Axelrod. Government control of news. Sweet. WHO WAS ON THAT PLANE?
suzyk on April 29, 2009 at 8:47 AM
So what do we call this little scandal?
Photogate?
leetpriest on April 29, 2009 at 8:59 AM
“Training mission” as used in this instance would be military jargon for “We f-ed up”.
Changing the reasoning for this flight from “photo op” to “training mission” also smacks of CYA and trying to shift blame from the Obama staffers who ordered this to the military.
catmman on April 29, 2009 at 9:04 AM
If they wanted this shot, why didn’t they just computer generate it? Was this obama’s call? Or Tweedledees and Tweedledums’?
jeanie on April 29, 2009 at 9:06 AM
I spent many years supporting a variety of military flying units. The answer to our question is both. The flights were likely scheduled only for the photo op, but the Air Force fighter unit would have utilized that flight time for training that didn’t interfere with the photo op. This is pretty common – the Air Force doesn’t like to “waste” events like this that can be turned into training evolutions without impacting the photo op.
So what was the training? Impossible to know for sure, but it could have run the gamut from pilot proficiency, to formation flying, to practice intercepts (using the 747 as a notional hijacked aircraft) or all of the above.
I don’t know enough about AF1 ops to know what training requirements they might have, but I would be surprised if they didn’t get some training “checks-in-the-block” training accomplished as well.
So, to be clear, the purpose for this mission was the photo op – not training. Training was “tacked on” as something to do since the gas was going to get burned regardless, so saying it was “training” is kind of true, but not completely honest.
NPP on April 29, 2009 at 9:13 AM
Gate-911
the_nile on April 29, 2009 at 9:14 AM
Maybe this is wrong, but didn’t this city vote overwhelmingly for The One? Isn’t that largely based on the overblown GWOT? So, why get all worked up over a plane flight if the GWOT is a figment of the right’s imagination? Schumers mad at this AND Gitmo? How’s that for being skitzo?
dean_acheson on April 29, 2009 at 9:16 AM
What’s important to realize, though, is that while the primary purpose was the photo op, if they hadn’t had this flight they would have had to fly for that training anyway…the net dollar cost of the photo op was near zero and the complaints of waste are unfounded.
…until the lawsuits hit, anyway. Spectacularly bad handling of the incident, nonetheless.
Someone asked why they needed a new photo…I asked myself the same question earlier and the only thing I could come up with is that maybe the WTC was still in the current photo. But then, that begs the question…why wasn’t it updated long before now?
James on April 29, 2009 at 9:35 AM
I have got to get a new BS meter. Every time Ogabe or someone in his administration talks, the damned thing goes off. Must be a glitch in the disgronificator.
SKYFOX on April 29, 2009 at 9:44 AM
Bush was still President. He and his advisors knew better than to fly big jets at low altitudes over Manhattan.
Realist on April 29, 2009 at 9:45 AM
Oh, c’mon. Robert Gibbs is much more painful.
hawksruleva on April 29, 2009 at 9:48 AM
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