Doctor shortage confounds Obama’s socialization plans for health care
posted at 2:55 pm on April 28, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
Barack Obama’s plans to nationalize the health-care industry has run into one major snag — a lack of doctors. Shortages in both primary-care and specialist physicians has made it more difficult for Medicare patients to get care, but thus far, the administration has drawn the wrong lessons from the crisis. They’re offering the hair of the dog as a solution:
To cope with the growing shortage, federal officials are considering several proposals. One would increase enrollment in medical schools and residency training programs. Another would encourage greater use of nurse practitioners and physician assistants. A third would expand the National Health Service Corps, which deploys doctors and nurses in rural areas and poor neighborhoods.
Senator Max Baucus, a Montana Democrat and chairman of the Finance Committee, said Medicare payments were skewed against primary care doctors — the very ones needed to coordinate the care of older people with chronic conditions like congestive heart failure, diabetes and Alzheimer’s disease.
“Primary care physicians are grossly underpaid compared with many specialists,” said Mr. Baucus, who vowed to increase primary care payments as part of legislation to overhaul the health care system.
The Medicare Payment Advisory Commission, an independent federal panel, has recommended an increase of up to 10 percent in the payment for many primary care services, including office visits. To offset the cost, it said, Congress should reduce payments for other services, an idea that riles many specialists.
All of this is entirely, and dully, predictable. Ten days ago, I wrote how attempts to control costs in Medicare has led to an even more pronounced shortage of physicians who will accept Medicare patients. The government wants to disconnect prices from costs and cap the former, which eventually makes providing the care more costly than simply opting out of the network. That kind of market pressure inevitably creates flight of the best physicians — the ones who can attract and keep the most paying customers — leaving Medicare patients with a network of more mediocre providers, if any at all.
The solution offered by Obama and Baucus would exacerbate the problem. Instead of creating a profit incentive by relying more on market forces, they want to divide up the finite government subsidies to favor primary care physicians over specialists. This will result in fewer specialists, who provide acute care for specific conditions, such as nephrologists for renal failure, oncologists to treat cancer, and so on. The lack of doctors in these specialties will mean that sick people get sicker and stay sicker longer, and eventually will start dying at higher rates while waiting to see a disappearing roster of physicians.
This is exactly what has happened in Canada and the UK, two systems that use explicitly single-payer systems to regulate compensation for services. Because they do not provide enough extra compensation to specialists and surgeons, both countries have enough general-practice doctors but significant shortages of specialists, who won’t spend the time or the fortunes to specialize because the investment never pays off. It takes months for patients with acute, serious illnesses to get an appointment with the overburdened specialists still left in the system, months to get tests completed, and months more to get treatments started.
Dr. Peter J. Mandell, a spokesman for the American Association of Orthopaedic Surgeons, said: “We have no problem with financial incentives for primary care. We do have a problem with doing it in a budget-neutral way.
“If there’s less money for hip and knee replacements, fewer of them will be done for people who need them.”
In fact, that’s exactly why we’re seeing the problem in the Medicare and Medicaid networks. The new proposals from the Obama administration will amplify those pressures, not relieve them.










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If he thinks there is a shortage now, just wait until he starts telling doctors that they will have to work twice as hard, for half the money.
MarkTheGreat on April 28, 2009 at 2:56 PM
Isn’t that the goal?
MarkTheGreat on April 28, 2009 at 2:58 PM
Sure, doctors want paid.
Cannot say I blame them. Plus, in what area of human endeavor do people regularly excel for little or no compensation?
Even missionaries liked to be thanked occasionally.
kybowexar on April 28, 2009 at 2:59 PM
Great – can’t wait for the AA/entitlement forces to give 87 IQ students $$$ for med school.
I have a funny feeling that “8 year intensive study thingy” might get in the way, but I digress, once Bambi takes over – online M.D.’s in 18 months!!!
Odie1941 on April 28, 2009 at 3:00 PM
There is soon to be a large influx of unemployed construction and auto workers – have them treat the patients…
Vashta.Nerada on April 28, 2009 at 3:00 PM
If they take the route of relying more on nurses and physician assistants, why not just let Wal-Mart (among others) open up a whole slew of in-store clinics to serve people at low prices that are not insurance based?
No added government programs needed.
myrenovations on April 28, 2009 at 3:01 PM
Obama’s idea of success will mean everyone gets the same inadequate medical care.
katiejane on April 28, 2009 at 3:01 PM
A good way to get more doctors is to start paying the Medicare and Medicaid payments to them on time.
Illinidiva on April 28, 2009 at 3:02 PM
I welcome all this.
I look forward to America getting what it’s voted for. To finally getting the utopian universal health care “paradise.”
Enjoy it. It is well deserved.
Hawkins1701 on April 28, 2009 at 3:02 PM
And don’t forget the nursing shortage, too.
One way to increase enrollment in professional schools: Lower the standards. Comforting feeling, isn’t it?
BTW…..at my community college, they are increasing the enrollment in the nursing program to cope with the demand…..but they are doing exactly what I wrote previously. Yikes.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on April 28, 2009 at 3:02 PM
wow…. just…. wow…. do these people even think about what they are saying?
Is this like the Bambi plan to borrow our way out of debt?
Romeo13 on April 28, 2009 at 3:02 PM
Precisely. If you cure the patient, that is just one more person who will eventually be collecting medicare and social security. You save twice if you let them die younger.
Vashta.Nerada on April 28, 2009 at 3:02 PM
Soviet style medicine will be great for everybody!
Well, except for the sick, injured, women who are pregnant, folks in need of any sort of medical treatment – except for them – it will be great!
kybowexar on April 28, 2009 at 3:02 PM
No, and they are hoping the rest of us aren’t either.
kybowexar on April 28, 2009 at 3:03 PM
Why is this Harvard-educated imbecile so hot to impose the nationalization of Health Care when it has not worked in any country it has been implemented in?
kingsjester on April 28, 2009 at 3:03 PM
What made America prosperous was – the incentive to work hard and profit from same.
Socialism destroys incentive. Socialism destroys prosperity. Socialism destroys America.
The above is the logic-flow of those in political power. We are to be the hopeless minions of the State. This is by design. They want to create a nation that needs the State. Needing the State – strengthens the State – and the State doesn’t like to give up power.
OhEssYouCowboys on April 28, 2009 at 3:04 PM
kingsjester on April 28, 2009 at 3:03 PM
because he hates rich, sucessful, white people. end of story.
Ghoul aid on April 28, 2009 at 3:06 PM
But we have to keep them somewhat healthy until they are no longer of use in the world of work and payroll taxes. Let them die the day they retire, though.
myrenovations on April 28, 2009 at 3:06 PM
My daughter wants to be a pediatrician. Under Obama’s national health care plan, and his high taxes for the rich, she is looking into an alternate field to go into. That’s too bad as she would have made a great doctor.
texasconserv on April 28, 2009 at 3:06 PM
The very definition of Social Justice
trubble on April 28, 2009 at 3:06 PM
Who can blame docs for not specializing or dropping out altogether, what with the hassle of Medicare/Medicaid, sky-high malpractice premiums, and now dictates on to run their business from the expert-in-chief (who can’t even recruit a Surgeon General).
KS Rex on April 28, 2009 at 3:06 PM
Sickens me to see that people think they can be smarter than millions of people pursuing their self-interest.
WashJeff on April 28, 2009 at 3:08 PM
Ghoul aid on April 28, 2009 at 3:06 PM
Yeah, but does he hate rich, successful Black, Hispanic, Asian, and Eastern Indian people , too?
kingsjester on April 28, 2009 at 3:08 PM
In the Soviet Union, many doctors had second jobs. As cab drivers, they made more money than as practicing doctors.
OhEssYouCowboys on April 28, 2009 at 3:08 PM
The people who are answering your IT questions over the phone will soon be the same ones doing your brain surgery.
Congratulations, America!
drjohn on April 28, 2009 at 3:08 PM
Never fear. Obama will merely appoint doctors from his youth corp of paid volunteers.
maverick muse on April 28, 2009 at 3:09 PM
drjohn on April 28, 2009 at 3:08 PM
Don’t impugn India because Obama sucks.
maverick muse on April 28, 2009 at 3:11 PM
Wow.
That’ll make it about $5.50!!
Freaking Congressmen should be paid commensurately with what they offer to the medical profession.
drjohn on April 28, 2009 at 3:11 PM
Actually, there is a simpler thing docs can do. If you are going to be a defacto government employee, just start working 40 hours a week, with lots of vacation. After all, why work harder than a Federal worker? Helps reduce your “rich person” taxes too…
Realist on April 28, 2009 at 3:12 PM
You mean socialized medicine hasn’t worked well in other countries? I’m shocked!
My cousin lives in England and often complains about the lack of doctors there- and they have to import quite a few.
I also am reminded (though this is kind of off topic) when I visited him in 2003. A neurosurgeon was suspended at my cousin’s local hospital for: taking extra CRACKERS. Yes, the man had the absolute gall to go back up to the dish of crackers and take another packet in the hospital cafeteria! He was suspended for (I think) a month. For a pack of crackers. Of course, all of that time, none of his patients were seen and multiple surgeries were cancelled.
Dumb.
cibolo on April 28, 2009 at 3:12 PM
I am quite serious. There will be a massive influx of foreign doctors. The USA health care system will mirror the UK’s.
drjohn on April 28, 2009 at 3:12 PM
Experience is over rated.
Obama got to be president with no experience, he’s going to hand out scapels and scrubs at homeless shelters and duplicate his political success in operating rooms around the country.
Alden Pyle on April 28, 2009 at 3:13 PM
And there will be a mass of American doctors that leave the States for an island nation to set up resort-style medical vacation retreats to provide services that cannot be rendered in a timely maner under ObamaCare.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on April 28, 2009 at 3:14 PM
The Constitution does not guarantee a right to have a doctor.
It does however guarantee a right to have an attorney.
As long as we’re nationalizing industries, take the lawyers first.
elgeneralisimo on April 28, 2009 at 3:16 PM
I would rather have qualified “imported” doctors than doctors that come from lowering the standards in our med schools.
myrenovations on April 28, 2009 at 3:16 PM
Not to worry. When Texas secedes, the best medical practitioners will soon follow to enjoy the capitalist, free enterprised health care.
That’s where I plan to go.
stenwin77 on April 28, 2009 at 3:17 PM
Unfortunately, the patients will have less dollars to pay the doctors sense their money has been confiscated via taxes. Akin to the taxes to public schools means less money for parents to send their kids to private schools.
WashJeff on April 28, 2009 at 3:17 PM
If you get sick, who would you rather see, a doctor with 4 years of medical school and 4 years of residency, or a nurse practitioner?
Sgt. Hartman on April 28, 2009 at 3:18 PM
Yeah, but does he hate rich, successful Black, Hispanic, Asian, and Eastern Indian people , too?
kingsjester on April 28, 2009 at 3:08 PM
he listened to wright for 20 years, you tell me.
Ghoul aid on April 28, 2009 at 3:18 PM
And don’t forget us nurses. I quit clinical nursing because it simply wasn’t worth it. And I am not alone. Many nurses quit after less than 10 years in the clinical field because of all the hoops and politics involved.
Yeah, healthcare is gonna get scary.
mjk on April 28, 2009 at 3:19 PM
That’s right.
In the USSR, schooling was provided to those chosen performers in every field.
In the USA, performers can have their education provided via military service.
It isn’t as if the USA needs to change our entire arrangement in order to make education available to those without personal financing.
The change Obama wants would require professionals to work under his glass ceiling. Obama exposed his malice when he smirked and ridiculed charitable donations as being financially motivated to cheat the government of its due.
…through the glass darkly
maverick muse on April 28, 2009 at 3:20 PM
Get ready to live with the pain.
kirkill on April 28, 2009 at 3:20 PM
So, here’s a question. If this country goes under some kind of National Health Care, how does it affect malpractice?
They (doctors) are going to deal with high taxes, sketchy income, and ungodly insurance premiums?
What could possibly go wrong??
What ever happened to John Edwards anyways.
BigWyo on April 28, 2009 at 3:20 PM
Maybe they’ll just legalize pot and we can all just be stoned all day.
kirkill on April 28, 2009 at 3:20 PM
And yet private schools are still thriving. Some people do what they need to do to send their kids to private schools. The same will be true of health care. Why do you think Canadians come here for services and pay $$$ for it to boot when they could get it for free in Canada?
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on April 28, 2009 at 3:21 PM
I don’t get it. We continue to warn people that this is what will happen. It’s almost like clockwork…steps 1, 2 and 3 are this, 4 and 5 are that, and so on. They almost always happen like we say they will, yet people continue to support it. It’s eff’in ridiculous!
ballz2wallz on April 28, 2009 at 3:21 PM
Depends on what kind of sick… If I have the flu or some such ailment, I would be fine with just seeing a nurse practictioner. If I have a brain tumor, well then, obviously a doctor.
But either choice should be made by me, not the government.
myrenovations on April 28, 2009 at 3:21 PM
stenwin77 on April 28, 2009 at 3:17 PM
I’m with ya! But I’m hoping Alaska secedes too, that’s where I’ll be.
kirkill on April 28, 2009 at 3:22 PM
It isn’t true that we have enough general practitioners in Canada. In Ontario alone, more than a million people are without a GP. In fact, more medical students want to specialize than practice family medicine in good part because the financial compensation is better.
ProfessorMiao on April 28, 2009 at 3:23 PM
Ed, you are getting yourself all worried about nothing. Obama has got that covered. There will be plenty of doctors, given that Obama will make sure that the percentage of doctors who are of the doctor Kevorkian school of medicine will dramatically go up. In fact within a few years there will probably be a surplus of doctors.
MB4 on April 28, 2009 at 3:23 PM
Hate to get all up in yer arse about this, but NP’s have 4 year degrees, usually a masters which equals 2 more years of school. and most nurses who become NP have at least three to four years of hardcore clinical work behind them (nights, evenings, day shifts, etc.). They aren’t as well trained as physicians, to be sure, but an NP is just as competent as an MD (if not more). Trust me, I’ve saved just as many lives (if not more) than most doctors because nurses are the backbone of any clinician’s competency.
/steps off soapbox.
mjk on April 28, 2009 at 3:23 PM
ballz2wallz on April 28, 2009 at 3:21 PM
Most of the people don’t pay any attention, and they just sheep along.
kirkill on April 28, 2009 at 3:24 PM
Ghoul aid on April 28, 2009 at 3:18 PM
I try not to use such language. It’s obvious. This is just a part of Obama’s Share The Wealth Campaign: The Socialization of America. Coming soon to a local Federal Government Office near you.
kingsjester on April 28, 2009 at 3:24 PM
The only solution I see to increase doctors is to subsidize their education. Require them to spend the first 5 years after medical school to work at a decent wage, say $50,000, during that time for the government run health care facilities and then they will also have to teach later in their careers. The upside is no medical school debt.
cadams on April 28, 2009 at 3:24 PM
Yes, that’s what I want. The beating down of the very people who prevent the 1st, 2nd, 4th and 5th Amendments from being eliminated by the State.
Lawyers were some of the first to go to Dachau. Political obstructionists, you see. They got in the way of the State.
OhEssYouCowboys on April 28, 2009 at 3:24 PM
MB4 on April 28, 2009 at 3:23 PM
Exactly what I was thinking, what better way to cull the baby boomers than to nationalize health care! Brilliant!
kirkill on April 28, 2009 at 3:25 PM
Ironically, you should expect to pay more out of pocket for actual care (as opposed to coverage)
Personally, I am basing all future planning around the need to fly to Thailand or India for any major medical treatment
I recommend Bumrungrad Hospital in Bangkok; very high quality care and relatively low prices.
Basically, we will be faced with three options
1. Waiting List
2. Expensive, domestic (possibly underground) private care
3. Foreign care
I will probably pick three because its only $2,000 or so to fly to the Far East.
Democrats don’t realize that each individual will make a calculation about their options based on prices and incentives. Doctors as well as patients. But by all means lets experiment with people’s actual lives. I know I want a bureaucrat to decide if I get a new liver or if I’ve drank too much wine during my lifetime to deserve it.
dwford on April 28, 2009 at 3:27 PM
Getting the best medical care possible is not important to the libtard. What is important is that no one else get better care than you do.
pedestrian on April 28, 2009 at 3:27 PM
Are we going to be allowed to opt out of this at all and pay for our own coverage, or is it going to be like Social Security and we’re forced to participate? If it’s the latter, why have we not heard anything about the fact that eliminating the need for private insurers is going to put scores of companies and their workers out of business? How is THAT good for the economy?
NoLeftTurn on April 28, 2009 at 3:28 PM
“Allowed” is the operative word. Socialism “allows” things to the People.
OhEssYouCowboys on April 28, 2009 at 3:30 PM
This may appear to be OT, but it’s not, really:
Laura Ingraham was talking this morning about the global warming tax (cap & trade) and posed this question, which I will expand upon:
“how would you like your child being operated on by a (mediocre) surgeon in an operating room whose “high powered” surgical lights are powered by a windmill?”
Scary scenario.
tru2tx on April 28, 2009 at 3:30 PM
Kudos to you and your trade. My father has spent a total of 40 months in hospitals, after 6 open heart surguries and will tell anyone – nurses save lives every day and deserve 10 times their compensation.
And for the record – his cardiologist is Indian and a brilliant Dr.
Odie1941 on April 28, 2009 at 3:31 PM
I don’t think you see Obama’s objective. It doesn’t matter if there’s an abundance of doctors or no doctors at all. What matters is that the Right People get to make all the decisions about doctors. If the end result of all the social engineering is that the most a typical American can aspire to earn is $30k a year, the average life expectancy drops to 55, and electricity is rationed out to a few hours a week per housefol, that’s fine. What’s important is that the Right People are in charge. Of course, they’ll make sure that they receive the best medical care possible, themselves. They are, after all, the Right People: their lives are invaluable.
Blacklake on April 28, 2009 at 3:32 PM
He doesn’t care. It isn’t about health care anyway. He’ll just appoint ACORN peoples to doctor positions.
darwin on April 28, 2009 at 3:32 PM
There already are, and you’re right that more will come, by the droves. Thank Sen. Orrin Hatch and all of those like McCain supporting his green card import professionals in order to displace professional and superbly skilled US citizens from employment.
Even if American citizens are willing to do the work at lowest wage offered, the citizens will be passed over as imports are given absolute preference by Obama.
Let’s keep target on politicians whose greed overwhelms constituents. So long as these intelligent and highly skilled Indian emigrants are entering legally as they are, don’t blame them for taking advantage of progressive American politicians power grab paid for by industrial bribes.
Strategically, America needs India’s alliance.
maverick muse on April 28, 2009 at 3:33 PM
Great minds and all that … you were more articulate.
darwin on April 28, 2009 at 3:33 PM
Beyond Socialism’s financial meltdown to decent medical treatment, do not ignore the fact that the government has your DNA.
maverick muse on April 28, 2009 at 3:34 PM
kingsjester on April 28, 2009 at 3:24 PM
the truth hurts.
Ghoul aid on April 28, 2009 at 3:34 PM
My best guest is that national healthcare will be incremental. They won’t do it over night because the voters will not accept it. And they will need to keep the issue alive to run on in future elections.
But the first step will lead in a direct line to national healthcare. You’ll probably be able to keep your private insurance for a while longer, until step two or step three.
myrenovations on April 28, 2009 at 3:35 PM
If he thinks there is a shortage now, just wait until he starts telling doctors that they will have to work twice as hard, for half the money.
MarkTheGreat on April 28, 2009 at 2:56 PM
Amen!!!
capejasmine on April 28, 2009 at 3:36 PM
That is already available through the military.
maverick muse on April 28, 2009 at 3:37 PM
Slavery is freedom, huh? Sure, why not? It’s only my money you want to use to subsidize them.
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Vashta.Nerada on April 28, 2009 at 3:40 PM
that’s right
maverick muse on April 28, 2009 at 3:40 PM
For every doctor, there’s 9 lawyers waiting to sue. Lawyers can screw up a wet dream
Bevan on April 28, 2009 at 3:41 PM
I’m not sure about Ed’s assertion that there are “enough” general practictioners in Canada – that seems to fly in the face of what we’re hearing up here.
Nevertheless, I found this tidbit from a January 2008 National Post story about doctor shortages in Canada. America behold the result of political interference in health care (emphasis mine).
The doctor shortage began in the mid-1980s — not coincidentally, at the same time the last Trudeau government passed the Canada Health Act, which forbade user fees, balanced billing by doctors and private clinics and hospitals. Immediately, doctors began moving to the United States by the hundreds every year. The effects of this exodus were compounded in the early 1990s when provincial health ministers consciously decided to limit enrolments in their medical schools. Doctors, they reasoned, were the enemies of health budgets; limit the number of doctors and there would be fewer tests ordered, fewer hospital beds filled, fewer surgeries performed and lower costs to their department’s budget. (By this thinking, eliminating doctors altogether would really bring provincial cost into line.)
landshark on April 28, 2009 at 3:43 PM
Ohhh, that is coming…and for precisely that reason. Yoke the people with economic tyranny, then anesthetize them with legalized pot, consequence-free sex and pornography. They are hoping we will all be so stoned or having so much sex we won’t notice that America has become another Third World shithole.
rockmom on April 28, 2009 at 3:44 PM
No doctors? No problem.
Just means longer waits for health care.
redfoxbluestate on April 28, 2009 at 3:44 PM
I guess the wave of doctors who left Canada for the U.S. when the wage caps took effect will go back now. This will be great news to the communities who are serviced only by a nurse practioner.
Yes, that is correct. When the point comes that the government is now responsible for all the costs, it is then that the wage caps for doctors, rationing of care, shortage of beds/nurses/primary care professionals begin.
As I mentioned, this is old news in Canada and Canadians seem to be at a loss as to how to fix it now that they realize what a mistake it was.
caygeon on April 28, 2009 at 3:44 PM
Just as the Communist leadership in the Soviet Union had their dachas on the Black Sea, while the people froze inside of their one-room, State owned, apartments – our political pigs in perpetuity, inside of the Beltway, will have the best of medical care, while we queue for luxuries … like an appointed time, in 8 months, to see the doctor for the first time.
OhEssYouCowboys on April 28, 2009 at 3:45 PM
Bevan on April 28, 2009 at 3:41 PM
Just remember who to call for defense when brought up on trumped charges by The Trump Obama. It doesn’t take a leap of the imagination to find the ACLU owning the legal profession.
maverick muse on April 28, 2009 at 3:46 PM
The way the country is going, I expect to die from morphine drip OD, regardless of my intentions.
Loxodonta on April 28, 2009 at 3:46 PM
My wife thinks Alaska is too cold, and I think Texas is too hot. I guess I’m scr#wed.
MarkTheGreat on April 28, 2009 at 3:48 PM
You think $50,000 is a decent wage for someone who makes life and death decisions every day, is on call and must leave his/her family at the drop of a hat if a patient takes a turn for the worse, and has 2000 lawyers and bureaucrats looking over his shoulder?
We have janitors and trash collectors making $50,000 a year in this country now.
When do we get to cap the salaries of lawyers?
rockmom on April 28, 2009 at 3:48 PM
OhEssYouCowboys on April 28, 2009 at 3:45 PM
The level of stupidity that American “popular opinion” reflects is bone chilling.
maverick muse on April 28, 2009 at 3:48 PM
Obama is making us over into a nation of Homer Simpsons.
BuckeyeSam on April 28, 2009 at 3:48 PM
We’ll see how you feel about a lawsuit, when your son or daugher or wife or husband is continually told that he or she is fine, when, in reality, he or she has cancer – which should’ve been diagnosed at the outset – but has, instead, been allowed to spread for months, into other organs. Or, maybe, when the wrong hemisphere of his or her brain is operated on, because the surgeon was looking at the x-ray – backwards.
OhEssYouCowboys on April 28, 2009 at 3:49 PM
This same argument takes place in my house on a near daily basis.
myrenovations on April 28, 2009 at 3:50 PM
Loxodonta on April 28, 2009 at 3:46 PM
NEVER morphine, the worst.
maverick muse on April 28, 2009 at 3:50 PM
That depends, am I paying the bill myself, or getting someone else to pay it for me?
MarkTheGreat on April 28, 2009 at 3:51 PM
It was a nation of Homer Simpsons that voted for Obama. The public schools did the makeover. Obama is just the reflection of it.
OhEssYouCowboys on April 28, 2009 at 3:52 PM
Hey, a good bit of what you want is already in place. It’s called a residency program. Do you actually think doctors go straight from med school to private practice? Inform yourself.
BuckeyeSam on April 28, 2009 at 3:52 PM
I should get my knees and hips replaced now. In a few years that will be considered non-essential medical treatment.
ZenDraken on April 28, 2009 at 3:56 PM
I rarely post here but felt compelled to comment.
Both of my children are going into the health care field – one as an ARNP and one as an MD. The ARNP candidate is starting her graduate work, and the MD candidate is in his 3rd year of a undergraduate program in biochemistry and economics.
I occasionally remind them both that they will not be making much money with Obama and the Dems in charge. Right now neither one of them cares about that so much – because they are still young and idealistic.
It could be they will change their minds when they see the he** Obama is planning for our health care system.
That would be horrible, because they really are two of the best and the brightest this country has to offer the medical world. (At least I think so, but of course I’m their mom)
What Obama and the Dems are planning for the best health care system in the world is a crime . . . as is much of what they are doing and plan to do to this country.
Marybeth on April 28, 2009 at 4:02 PM
With due respect, we shouldn’t seek to cap the pay of anyone – with the exception of our elected ‘leaders.’ We are their shareholders, we are their clients. As far as I’m concerned, I’m fine with people making however much money that their talents legally permit.
redfoxbluestate on April 28, 2009 at 4:02 PM
Under Socialized Medicine Doctors recommend treatments.
The ACORN Type Board Appointees revue the costs and Approve or Deny treatment based on your Age or other Triage Factors.
It is Social Engineering, not Medicine.
old trooper2 on April 28, 2009 at 4:02 PM
I’ve always inferred that the Two Minute Hate for lawyers was the product of really bad LSAT scores.
OhEssYouCowboys on April 28, 2009 at 4:04 PM
I’ve seen it done once for certain, and have suspected it at least two other times. One patient frequently talked loudly, disturbing staff, patients and visitors. The others were very quiet. None showed any evidence they were suffering from pain or even discomfort prior to the change in their treatment, although I cannot be certain of this. Then, the patients became unconscious one day, and the morphine repressed breathing to the point of death within another day.
Those experiences ended my volunteering in hospices and nursing homes. I find it depressing, but still expect the same treatment for myself.
Weep, o mine eyes and cease not
Loxodonta on April 28, 2009 at 4:06 PM
You would think they would have come up with something like this before…maybe…The Armed Forces!!
Whoda thunk it.
BigWyo on April 28, 2009 at 4:09 PM
Nobody will went to spend the kind of money & toil it takes to become a doctor if the future means working for the federal government. Most will opt to become left-leaning lawyers instead. Our country is headed into the shitter.
izoneguy on April 28, 2009 at 4:09 PM
Looks like that Costco medical degree will become a reality.
faol on April 28, 2009 at 4:09 PM
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