Evangelical on Obama’s faith council: It’s as if he’s paying lip service to the unborn

posted at 9:45 pm on April 27, 2009 by Allahpundit

Poignantly depressing or, if you prefer, depressingly poignant. Even a dyed-in-the-wool atheist like me can’t bring himself to snark on a man who so obviously means well, and yet who’s so obviously staked his hopes to someone who’s not going to deliver. I wouldn’t call Dr. Page a useful idiot, but that’s how he’s being treated, pretty obviously. I wonder what Doug Kmiec, watching this clip, is thinking right now.

If it’s any consolation, Obama’s secular true believers are suffering too. Click the image to watch.


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I wonder what Doug Kmiec, watching this clip, is thinking right now.

“I wonder if Barack will invite me to the next White House cocktail party?”

spmat on April 27, 2009 at 9:49 PM

He’s so sassy!

JohnJ on April 27, 2009 at 9:49 PM

Jill Stanek exposed Obama to be the fraud that he is – there has never been a male politician who has been as extreme on abortion as Obama.

He figured that he had to prove his “pro-choice” street cred while running for President.

Doug Kmiec, there is no one more dishonest than him on this issue – you can atleast understand Obama’s dishonesty – he is a liberal and no one expects any honesty from liberals when it comes to abortion.

nagee76 on April 27, 2009 at 9:52 PM

lol i love the word sassy

blatantblue on April 27, 2009 at 9:52 PM

I wouldn’t call Dr. Page a useful idiot

OK, I’ll do it for ya … he’s a useful idiot, although he seems to be losing his usefulness.

darwin on April 27, 2009 at 9:53 PM

Gee, what a shock.

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funky chicken on April 27, 2009 at 9:53 PM

God creates life. Any Christian who voted for Obama is/was a fool.

Mojave Mark on April 27, 2009 at 9:54 PM

I’ve said it ever since I converted and started to spend time among the Evangelicals… someone should go ahead and print “Swindle Me” t-shirts and start passing them out…

Mel Gibson swindled them out of half-a-billion… BHO will swindle in the trillions… and do nothing for any cause they think he’s “open” to discuss.

mankai on April 27, 2009 at 9:55 PM

What in the world did they see in Obama that could possibly have made them think he would do anything for the pro-lifers?

darwin on April 27, 2009 at 9:56 PM

Dr Page has too much faith in politicians.
Stick to trusting God, my friend.

jgapinoy on April 27, 2009 at 9:57 PM

It’s only been 100 days… I’m sure he’ll do something he can point to for 2012…

ninjapirate on April 27, 2009 at 9:59 PM

What in the world did they see in Obama that could possibly have made them think he would do anything for the pro-lifers?

darwin on April 27, 2009 at 9:56 PM

Honestly? From the inside? Nothing.

They were just scared to death that someone would think they were racists if they objected to him.

mankai on April 27, 2009 at 10:00 PM

They were just scared to death that someone would think they were racists if they objected to him.

mankai on April 27, 2009 at 10:00 PM

White guilt got this stool elected and now they are realizing it.

thomasaur on April 27, 2009 at 10:02 PM

“Dr. Frank Page, one of the key conservative evangelicals on President Obama’s Faith Council tells The Brody File that when it comes to the social issues surrounding President Obama’s presidency he has been disappointed and not very encouraged by the first 100 days in office.”

He also hasn’t realized that the only door to the room that he just walked into…………

…………. was just locked behind him.

Seven Percent Solution on April 27, 2009 at 10:03 PM

These remarks are a sobering reminder that just because President Obama is “reaching out” to Conservative Evangelicals, if his policy bottom line ends up being the same as other pro-choice Democrats then he will have squandered any good will he built up during the 2008 campaign.

He doesn’t need good will now. He has power. He got what he wanted, for no good reason. He’ll get what he wants, for no good reason, in 2012.

The man in this clip is a chump. There are no other words for him. He wanted Obama to mean what he said. He had no reason whatsoever to think that Obama actually meant what he said. In reality, he had fact after fact after damning fact to prove that Obama was feeding him a line of bull to get his support.

Evangelicals that support Obama politically are little more than hangers-on that want a bit of coattail to put in their scrapbooks. Fashion surfers of the lowest sort, and likely the vanguard of persecution against those denominations and churches that don’t tow the party line.

spmat on April 27, 2009 at 10:03 PM

They were just scared to death that someone would think they were racists if they objected to him.

mankai on April 27, 2009 at 10:00 PM

Oh that’s wonderful … Then all the dems have to do is run black candidates.

darwin on April 27, 2009 at 10:03 PM

The man in this clip is a chump.

spmat on April 27, 2009 at 10:03 PM

True dat … blunt, but true.

darwin on April 27, 2009 at 10:05 PM

AP, I’m encouraged that you brought us something from the Brody Files. It’s been a while–since Palin’s candidacy, no? I like Brody.

jgapinoy on April 27, 2009 at 10:05 PM

TRANSLATION!

Those that are praying extra hard for Hopey,
are becoming dissappointed,as in a slow simmer
mode of eventually water boil!!

canopfor on April 27, 2009 at 10:06 PM

Even a dyed-in-the-wool atheist like me can’t bring himself to snark on a man who so obviously means well, and yet who’s so obviously staked his hopes to someone who’s not going to deliver.

I don’t care if he “means well” or not. He voted for the marxist moron. He owes all of us an apology, and he must atone for his stupidity.

I wouldn’t call Dr. Page a useful idiot,

I’d call him a dangerous idiot – which is true of all supporters of the idiot messiah.

These people are pathetic.

progressoverpeace on April 27, 2009 at 10:06 PM

What kind of a moron Baptist would think that Obama would ever care about any conservative or evangelical issues! Was this man not paying attention to the entire campaign? Any alleged evangelical who supported the messiah was delusional at best and an idiot at worst. This is what’s wrong with the evangelical movement at the moment. It’s almost as bad as the GOP!

flytier on April 27, 2009 at 10:07 PM

Losing their Liberal Faith!!

canopfor on April 27, 2009 at 10:07 PM

Goin’ Godwin, rofl

Martin Niemoller

An interesting, uh, parallel. Hopefully not.

daesleeper on April 27, 2009 at 10:07 PM

I fellowship at a fairly large, conservative, Evanaglical local church. In a year when the most radical, pro-infanticide major candidate in US history was on the ballot… you’d be hard-pressed to find a McCain bumper sticker in the parking lot. Oh, there were a few… but in ’00 and ’04 the place was awash in Bush/Cheney. Heck, Dole stickers were bountiful in ’96.

There was a political chill in the air.

Where I work, a McCain or Palin sticker meant an instant “racist” stigma.

mankai on April 27, 2009 at 10:09 PM

Looks like somebody is get’n thrown under da bus!!

canopfor on April 27, 2009 at 10:09 PM

The Catholic Church threatened their faithful with the possible loss of eternal hope and they still voted 55-45 for BHO.

Hope springs eternal… as apparently so does stupidity.

mankai on April 27, 2009 at 10:11 PM

Selling your soul for political gain by supporting abortion is akin to inking your own invite to hell. happy travels, oboo-boo, happy travels.

Ris4victory on April 27, 2009 at 10:12 PM

That’s what you get for believing a complete dunderhead with no experience whatsoever and a penchant for doing whatever it takes to gain higher office.

Glad to see you’re being disappointed, though a little research on Oflyby BEFORE the election might have been a smarter way to go.

Bishop on April 27, 2009 at 10:12 PM

Where I work, a McCain or Palin sticker meant an instant “racist” stigma.

mankai on April 27, 2009 at 10:09 PM

Good grief! Where do you work … ACORN HQ?

darwin on April 27, 2009 at 10:13 PM

The religious equivalent of a RINO. High profile reps of Christianity aren’t the most masculine specimens. That’s more than a superficial appearance problem.

Feedie on April 27, 2009 at 10:14 PM

Even a dyed-in-the-wool atheist like me can’t bring himself to snark on a man who so obviously means well, and yet who’s so obviously staked his hopes to someone who’s not going to deliver.

Here, I’ll do it for ya Allah.

Dr. Page, you asked for it, you got it, and now you own it. Quit your pathetic wimpering and lay off the KoolAid.

Snark

Knucklehead on April 27, 2009 at 10:16 PM

It’s almost like Obama is for sucking the brains out of babies…or something! Whoddah thunk?!?!!?

SouthernGent on April 27, 2009 at 10:16 PM

In Obama’s defense, Doug Kmiec said that “the President likes butterscotch pudding and Jesus liked butterscotch pudding too and so let’s do God’s work and come together. Because Obama means well.”

In so many words.

Yeah, more gibberish from Kmiec.

SteveMG on April 27, 2009 at 10:17 PM

When religion stopped being about “doing good and being good” and started being about “feeling good and looking good” is about the time when Obama became the candidate of choice for the religious.

spmat on April 27, 2009 at 10:17 PM

Thanks, Obamagelicals!

Kid from Brooklyn on April 27, 2009 at 10:20 PM

i am one of the most stupidest people on this planet, yet somehow even i knew exactly what kind of fraud this scum is that sits in the white house.

Ghoul aid on April 27, 2009 at 10:20 PM

I feel sorry for people like Dr. Page who supported Obama but are being disappointed. But all the information was there to predict what this administration would be like:

Radical leftist economics, anti-American, anti-military, pro-abortion, for high taxes, for massive spending, and for massive government. The narcissism and elitism were also visible. And Obama is the least experienced president in many decades, from one of the most politically corrupt cities in the country. This is not good.

I don’t understand how people like Dr. Page fooled themselves and continue to be fooled, but it’s way past time to wake up and see what Obama really is.

Loxodonta on April 27, 2009 at 10:21 PM

What in the world did they see in Obama that could possibly have made them think he would do anything for the pro-lifers?

darwin on April 27, 2009 at 9:56 PM

This issue is yet another example where, had people looked at Obama’s record (especially in the Illinois senate), they would not be at all surprised.

ProfessorMiao on April 27, 2009 at 10:22 PM

“spmat on April 27, 2009 at 10:17 PM”
post.of.the.day.

Buckaroo on April 27, 2009 at 10:25 PM

Eventually, Dr. Page should just take his hopes for a more humane and just attitude on life from Obama and throw them into a janitorial closet, where they can die a slow death on dirty rags.

Star20 on April 27, 2009 at 10:26 PM

This issue is yet another example where, had people looked at Obama’s record (especially in the Illinois senate), they would not be at all surprised.

ProfessorMiao on April 27, 2009 at 10:22 PM

the word is lazy. and i do not feel sorry for them one bit. it’s not that hard to go on the internet and look at and find all sides to a presidential candidate. it is, and was, all there for all of these lazy bastards to find well before Nov of 2008. i do not feel sorry for them at all. they disgust me actually.

Ghoul aid on April 27, 2009 at 10:26 PM

The man in this clip is a chump. There are no other words for him. He wanted Obama to mean what he said. He had no reason whatsoever to think that Obama actually meant what he said. In reality, he had fact after fact after damning fact to prove that Obama was feeding him a line of bull to get his support.

And therein lies the reason why a first-term senator with one of the most leftward voting records and a slew of despicable associates and mentors managed to win the White House.

He was a blank slate, and allowed people to paint whatever picture they wanted on him.

When religion stopped being about “doing good and being good” and started being about “feeling good and looking good”

You just nailed the reason why I’m a Christian without a church.

TheMightyMonarch on April 27, 2009 at 10:26 PM

The Catholic Church threatened their faithful with the possible loss of eternal hope and they still voted 55-45 for BHO.

Hope springs eternal… as apparently so does stupidity.

mankai on April 27, 2009 at 10:11 PM

Actually mankai, many Catholic pastors and even some bishops were remarkably squishy about BHO and his horrid views on abortion. Many of the Catholics who voted for Obama are the liberal, cafeteria sort and no amount of threat would sway them. I’d be willing to bet Obama’s numbers among more conservative, magisterially faithful Catholics were far lower.

marybel on April 27, 2009 at 10:28 PM

The single issue pro-lifers need a Democrat as President every 8 years or so to remind them to stop being so naive about liberal lies.

Speedwagon82 on April 27, 2009 at 10:28 PM

Another 0bama supporter disappointed? Get in line bud, we tried to tell ya.

R D on April 27, 2009 at 10:32 PM

I’d be willing to bet Obama’s numbers among more conservative, magisterially faithful Catholics were far lower.

marybel on April 27, 2009 at 10:28 PM

Yep. I’d say it’s probably 75-25 against the O in that group, maybe more.

Mr. D on April 27, 2009 at 10:33 PM

It is as if Hitler did not like Jews

entagor on April 27, 2009 at 10:38 PM

I find this troubling.

Not that Obama has typically not followed through on promises, each one well past the expiration date, nor that Obama has used good people as tools to further his own convoluted Uncle Frank-inspired agenda. No, I find that to be expected.

What I find troubling is that there are millions of Americans who actively campaigned for Obama, selling their soul for hope and change…never once defining what hope and change was other than a cute campaign slogan. No, not those who campaigned because they believed Obama would pay their mortgage or their utility bill, or get them a fine new car or a real job, or just wanted free stuff from government. No, I am talking about Americans, our neighbors, friends, family members, who never once tried to look behind the curtain to see what was driving the new Messiah, never questioning that this naive inexperienced part-time Senator had not the stuff to successfully lead this nation…to protect and defend the same.

What I find troubling is that today, 100 days into this Administration and these same people have no problem at all still engaging in Bush bashing ad infinitum but won’t tolerate for one moment any criticism of Obama.

What I find troubling is religious men, such as Dr. Page, and my own pastor, will not admit that perhaps they got it wrong, and will not admit that the Obama they cast their vote for is not the Obama they got…far worse. That so powerful is the dream of Obamaism to them, that they are more than willing to relinquish their souls, their morality, and their common sense.

I find it troubling that so many members of Congress, too many members of Congress, are more than willing to engage in massive lies and deceits to protect their investment in Obama and in their own sinecure, that they willingly allow, willingly support, the wholesale destruction of our way of life, as we bankrupt every segment of our economy save for that of Washington, DC, under the guise of hope, and change, and making America somehow more “fair.”

I find it troubling that if moral men, such as Dr. Page, cannot bring themselves to see error, admit error, cannot come to grips with a bad choice, cannot find that they are merely rationalizing their choice, as in their apologia as reflected in Dr. Page’s still having faith in Obama…how can they indeed remain moral men?

I find it troubling that for moral men, in another time, in a time when morality mattered, this sort of thing is sin, by commission…setting aside their own beliefs for those of Obama, sacrificing their own beliefs, and defending as if their own child Obama.

It reminds me of my many talks with Soviet emigres and defectors who often told of while in their youth, amid the crimes of Stalin, they or people they knew wrote heartfelt letters to Stalin telling him of the crimes and excesses of the local party officials and ended up in the gulag, forced to live in horrible conditions, still having faith that “if only Stalin knew” then things would be made better. If only Stalin knew…

If all of America does not wake up, and soon, it will be more than just troubling…

coldwarrior on April 27, 2009 at 10:39 PM

You just nailed the reason why I’m a Christian without a church.

TheMightyMonarch on April 27, 2009 at 10:26 PM

Maybe check these guys out, but mostly remember, “Where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.”

Start a home study with friends. Watch DVDs and talk about “whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report.”

spmat on April 27, 2009 at 10:39 PM

He was a blank slate, and allowed people to paint whatever picture they wanted on him…

TheMightyMonarch on April 27, 2009 at 10:26 PM

No, Obama wasn’t a blank slate about abortion at all, though he did attempt to hide it with his usual double speak. Ghoul aid @ 10:26 said it well.

Much of the electorate is ignorant and lazy, and in this internet age, there is really no excuse to not know BHO’s views on life issues.

marybel on April 27, 2009 at 10:39 PM

i am one of the most stupidest people on this planet, yet somehow even i knew exactly what kind of fraud this scum is that sits in the white house.

Ghoul aid on April 27, 2009 at 10:20 PM

Stupid is as stupid does, Ghoul – you’re smarter than the majority.

The whole electorate was summed up nicely in my best friend’s kids – the eight-year-old liked Obama and the 14-year-old saw right through him. Now what does that tell you?

Rosmerta on April 27, 2009 at 10:42 PM

The Catholic Church threatened their faithful with the possible loss of eternal hope and they still voted 55-45 for BHO.

Hope springs eternal… as apparently so does stupidity.

mankai on April 27, 2009 at 10:11 PM

No they didn’t. That is what they didn’t do. And, that is partly why so many voted for him.

Sapwolf on April 27, 2009 at 10:43 PM

The thing about abortion & religion I’ve never been able to understand is the black churches. Why aren’t they pro-life? They seem so faithful in so many other ways. Except for those like Rev. Wright’s and their ilk – but are they really the majority? Heck, even Malcolm X saw through the genocidal trend of allowing abortion on demand.

Rosmerta on April 27, 2009 at 10:46 PM

All you have to you damn fool is to listen to Rush Limbaugh for one week and you’ll know who Obama is and what he is all about.

technopeasant on April 27, 2009 at 10:49 PM

Sadly, in my own parish in CT, the silence from the pulpit was deafening. Our Bishop Lori was uncompromisingly a true teacher, more than willing to challenge complacent Catholics, but none are so deaf as those who decide not to hear.

marybel on April 27, 2009 at 10:50 PM

“Rosmerta on April 27, 2009 at 10:46 PM”

the patronage promises of the donks must be a powerful elixir indeed …
:-(

Buckaroo on April 27, 2009 at 10:53 PM

Stupid is as stupid does, Ghoul – you’re smarter than the majority.

Rosmerta on April 27, 2009 at 10:42 PM

you have absolutely no idea how true that is and how terribly frightening it all is. i am not kidding you, most people can run circles around me, yet i saw through all the hope and change crap immedietly. but seriously, most of it has to do with the left’s deep hatred of bush and even those in the middle were sick of the war. and there was a time the i was angry at bush for how the war had gone in the begining, etc. but then things turned around, and honestly, i had no more anger in me about it after awhile and i had the good sense that bush had protected us his entire time in the white house. i guess it comes down to having good sense.

Ghoul aid on April 27, 2009 at 10:57 PM

All of these things about Obama were known way before the election.These people who are now having buyer remorse have no one to blame except them selfs.I hear people say everday if only they had known they would not have voted for him.I say hogwash you knew and still you voted for him.Now you and you alone are to blame for the down fall of our country.

thmcbb on April 27, 2009 at 10:58 PM

“thmcbb on April 27, 2009 at 10:58 PM”

we shall see what they do with that “regret” november next …
[!!]

Buckaroo on April 27, 2009 at 11:08 PM

As much as I criticize the obamabot voters for putting him there, I think he won more because McCain was a cardboard cutout of a conservative and THAT is the change they REALLY wanted. They didn’t see it, so they chose to hope for the best from the guy that was acting like a moderate and really is a fascist marxist pig.

At this point I don’t really trust anyone out there in the public anymore. This cretin being in the white house was kinda the last straw on that one.

Spiritk9 on April 27, 2009 at 11:31 PM

Hey, I’ve got a Brooklyn Bridge I’d like to sell. Are these people really that clueless?

bloggless on April 27, 2009 at 11:33 PM

I think a lot of the squishy Christian voters who voted for Obama just didn’t have the backbone to be irrationally and unjustifiably called racists.

Well, they got what they voted for. And they can join squishy Germans who didn’t think it was a problem objecting to the Nazis.

Cowards, you’re tears are lost on me. Believe me, Obama is going to give you something really worth crying about.

BuckeyeSam on April 27, 2009 at 11:51 PM

coldwarrior on April 27, 2009 at 10:39 PM

Well said.

AZfederalist on April 28, 2009 at 12:10 AM

Spiritk9 on April 27, 2009 at 11:31 PM

Some normally sensible people were driven to desperation and fantasy hope by bad (Bush) and worse (McCain).

More than anything, the Bush Dynasty and country-club Republicans are responsible for denying people real choices since 1988. Conservatives don’t take kindly to trickery and betrayal. Leftists are like devil worshippers in a political horror movie — more, more, kill me next, no, me — as long as there is a (D) after the name.

The left is bad enough, but Bush II unhinged the rest with his socialism and attempt to remake the Middle East in his own image. Give the man credit for protecting us after 9/11, but the price was 8 years of crap on most other things.

The country-club Republican establishment served up McCain, a man who is temperamentally unsuited for high office and unsavory to a youthful electorate. He is compelled to backstab political friends and do the bidding of political enemies. He becomes angry when crossed by either — oblivious the cause of his predicament. It’s understandable given his horrendous experience.

McCain acted like he wanted to lose, so now we’re stuck with a plastic Marxist. The soldiers deserve better and so do we.

Feedie on April 28, 2009 at 12:38 AM

I guess that photo of Obama holding a rusty coathanger suddenly dawned on him.

TexasJew on April 28, 2009 at 1:42 AM

Obama’s whole ‘listening to conservatives’ ploy is transparently fake. He has no intention of doing anything but playing charades. He’s a liar, period.

CP on April 28, 2009 at 2:08 AM

This guy is gullible.

An abortion extremist turns out to be an abortion extremist?

Shocked.

therightwinger on April 28, 2009 at 2:44 AM

It is surprising to hear people who are surprised by exactly what Obama represents on the cultural/political spectrum.

It’s as if they relied solely on the MSM to frame their opinion of him during the campaign.

cruadin on April 28, 2009 at 6:18 AM

What kind of a moron Baptist would think that Obama would ever care about any conservative or evangelical issues! Was this man not paying attention to the entire campaign? Any alleged evangelical who supported the messiah was delusional at best and an idiot at worst. This is what’s wrong with the evangelical movement at the moment. It’s almost as bad as the GOP!

flytier on April 27, 2009 at 10:07 PM

+100
This was awful during the election. I spent more time than you know urging my christian friends to look beyond the shiny veneer. What has become a trademark move of Obamanism is the full-bore deceptive prop (speech, promise, web page, etc.) to placate concerned voters while doing the UTTER AND EXACT OPPOSITE. He fools quite a few people that way and the shameless media covers him up nicely. These liberals have no moral compass at all, while they seriously discuss the “slippery slope” of morality concerning water boarding, for goodness’ sake.
All the while, these Christians see the “prop” and cling to that because of their own self loathing and weariness over defending both a political position and religion which is passe.

For the record, most reformed baptists have a serious problem with Page and like evangelicals because of their awful lack of intellectual substance and critical thinking. Not to make this into a religion war, but, most evangelicals in America are arminian. The calvinist position is that this is much more man-centered rather than God-centered. When you lose that and base much on high emotionalism and human will, critical thinking often gets the boot.

As frightening as it is, this man is the leader of the Southern Baptist Convention…egad! There is an ongoing “war” between the more reformed, calvinist baptist and arminian baptist positions.

I personally like Al Mohler…he was under no illusions that Obama was exactly how he voted and the people he surrounded himself with. I guess the unborn are just playthings to these Obama lovers when image is on the line.

Mommypundit on April 28, 2009 at 6:38 AM

When religion stopped being about “doing good and being good” and started being about “feeling good and looking good”

You just nailed the reason why I’m a Christian without a church.

TheMightyMonarch on April 27, 2009 at 10:26 PM

I was too, for awhile. Until I realized doctrine MATTERS and though there is a plurality of churches, there might only be a true, God-exalting gathering in one city. It is important to GET INTO FELLOWSHIP, though…Christians aren’t to be alone.

try 9Marks. It will tell you the marks of a true church and there is a church locator.

Mommypundit on April 28, 2009 at 6:46 AM

I think a lot of the squishy Christian voters who voted for Obama just didn’t have the backbone to be irrationally and unjustifiably called racists.

Well, they got what they voted for. And they can join squishy Germans who didn’t think it was a problem objecting to the Nazis.

Cowards, you’re tears are lost on me. Believe me, Obama is going to give you something really worth crying about.

BuckeyeSam on April 27, 2009 at 11:51 PM

I think this is true. It was really, really intense during the campaign. Emotions were high. It’s already uncomfortable to be a true christian in this sick culture, let alone a republican. These people are to interested in the approval of man than the truth. I have no sympathy for that, specifically. They still will not admit that they… THEY made the mistake.

Mommypundit on April 28, 2009 at 6:50 AM

Obama may be pro-choice but a republican president has no qualms about sending your son or daughter to fight and die in a war he lied to get us into and was totally unnecessary. I guess the pro-life people like to ignore that fact. Or the fact that a republican president would leave you to die on a rooftop in New Orleans. Or that a republican president would let you die because you can’t afford health insurance. I guess all those ways of dying are all right with “christians”. The gop is a party of snakes, they preach the sanctity of life under their terms. You can be a conservative as long as you follow our litmus test. no thanks

athensboy on April 28, 2009 at 7:22 AM

I’d like dr. page to stear me to the part of the Scriptures that advises, “Thou shalt be stupid!”

peacenprosperity on April 28, 2009 at 7:48 AM

athensboy: we could pick apart your post line by line. but one thing jumped out at me immediately.

who allowed anyone to die on a New Orleans rooftop during Katrina? surely not bush. he asked stupid blanco several times whether she wanted help. she & mayor nagin (both dems, i might add) said no. this was said several times immediately following the actual hit of the hurricane with dates & times of the phone calls from the White hOuse to blanco & nagin. i have often wondered why bush decided to take the blame for all of it (as if he conjured up the hurricane himself).

here i was, sitting in lunenburg county virginia watching katrina on The Weather Channel. I commented several times to my husband “i believe i would leave the area if i were them”. duh.

kelley in virginia on April 28, 2009 at 7:56 AM

This individual is responsible for more of the very things he claims to abhor. He owes the unborn he claims to wish to protect an apology and he should step down from any “leadership” positions he holds. He is more lost than he can fathom.

65droptop on April 28, 2009 at 8:08 AM

65droptop on April 28, 2009 at 8:08 AM

You are certainly correct, and we Catholics have our very own Judas in Doug Kmiec. He abandoned what principles he’d professed for years and swallowed the Obama “shuck and jive” hook, line, and sinker.

marybel on April 28, 2009 at 8:37 AM

As much as I criticize the obamabot voters for putting him there, I think he won more because McCain was a cardboard cutout of a conservative and THAT is the change they REALLY wanted.

Spiritk9 on April 27, 2009 at 11:31 PM

If McCain had been black, he would have won. It’s as simple as that. He would have been a highly decorated black military veteran (unlike his opponent, who wanted to serve but didn’t), with over twenty years of experience as a United States Senator (as opposed to his opponent’s two years),

And I’d prefer a cutout cardboard conservative rather than a real Marxist in office any day.

To put it bluntly, if you stayed away and didn’t vote for McCain, you deserve the President you have.

unclesmrgol on April 28, 2009 at 8:52 AM

Where I work, a McCain or Palin sticker meant an instant “racist” stigma.

mankai on April 27, 2009 at 10:09 PM

Good grief! Where do you work … ACORN HQ?

darwin on April 27, 2009 at 10:13 PM

I work in higher education… ’nuff said?

mankai on April 28, 2009 at 8:57 AM

The Catholic Church threatened their faithful with the possible loss of eternal hope and they still voted 55-45 for BHO.

Hope springs eternal… as apparently so does stupidity.

mankai on April 27, 2009 at 10:11 PM

No they didn’t. That is what they didn’t do. And, that is partly why so many voted for him.

Sapwolf on April 27, 2009 at 10:43 PM

LINK

And there is always the general threat of “cooperation with evil.” The above link concerns a bishop, but the Vatican has warned of the same thing. I know a number of devout, faithful, pro-Life Catholics who voted for Obama. This is not univerally damning… but in general… they were raised as I was in the RCC… to be “socially conscious” and issues such as “the poor” and “immigration” and “social justice” pricked their hearts to vote Democrat over the years.

This is the danger (in ALL churches) of placing vague notions such as “fair housing” and “living wages” on the same level with murdering children in the womb.

Did you see more nuns at the “Peace” rallies or at the tea parties?

mankai on April 28, 2009 at 9:05 AM

The Catholic Church threatened their faithful with the possible loss of eternal hope and they still voted 55-45 for BHO.

Hope springs eternal… as apparently so does stupidity.

mankai on April 27, 2009 at 10:11 PM

No they didn’t. That is what they didn’t do. And, that is partly why so many voted for him.

Sapwolf on April 27, 2009 at 10:43 PM

Tried to post this… thought I had… but I don’t see it… so here it is again.

LINK

This reflects the teaching on “cooperation with evil” which the Vatican, too, has constantly linked to political votes (by RC candidates and by the RC voters).

The election results reveal the inherent danger of decades of raising (in rhetoric at least) the vague notions of such things as “social justice,” “immigrant rights,” “living wages” and “poverty” to the same level as murdering a child in its mother’s womb.

This is true is any church which engages in this sort of rhetoric.

I know a number of devout, faithful, practicing Catholics who vote Democrat. In fact, historically, Catholics have heavily supported Democrats. How many nuns did we see at “peace” rallies over the last few years? Now, how many did we see at the Tea Parties? I swam against a Leftist stream as a Religious Education teacher (in two dioceses) who didn’t want to teach a “Social Justice” section.

mankai on April 28, 2009 at 9:30 AM

IMO white guilt & black pride were the two main reasons Obama one.

katiejane on April 28, 2009 at 9:51 AM

oops – part of my comment didn’t make it.

one = won.

Dr.Page is like too many other Obama supporters – they heard and saw what they wanted to hear and see. They let themselves be used most likely because they fit in either the guilt or pride category.

katiejane on April 28, 2009 at 9:59 AM

Maybe I’m missing something, but where does it say he’s an Obama supporter?

My understanding is that he’s a member of the “faith council” Obama has brought together. Perhaps many of the members did endorse, vote for, or otherwise support Obama. I don’t think all of them did, and I’d be surprised if Dr. Page did.

We can debate whether he should be on the council or not, but he isn’t necessarily a supporter of Obama by participating.

Kmeic came out in support of Obama vocally. If Page did the same, I’d like to see a link/further info to verify the tone of this post is justified.

cs89 on April 28, 2009 at 11:03 AM

He is a perfect example of a watered down, lovey-dovey, “judge not” brand of evangelical Christianity today. Afraid to stand for what Christ and the bible said, instead hoping against hope that a “Great Man” can save the world.

maynila on April 28, 2009 at 11:18 AM

maynila on April 28, 2009 at 11:18 AM

we’re living in laodicea…

right4life on April 28, 2009 at 11:21 AM

Why do you think he voted for Obama? As the tax laws are set up a minster can not tell his church how they should vote. As a member of the Faith Council, Dr. Page does have a voice to the President. Dr. Page was my minster for several years. Dr Page has always been careful about how he speaks in public. He knows as a Minster of a large church and a past president of the SBC, his words have more impact than the average joe. For him, he is speaking very strong here and I would not be surprised if he leaves the Faith Council.

jeannie on April 28, 2009 at 11:39 AM

Mel Gibson swindled them out of half-a-billion…
mankai

Are you referring to the movie “Passion of the Christ”?
If so, how was that a swindle? Was it because a flawed human being made a powerfully moving film about Christ’s torture and death? If Gibson had consciously lied or misled with the film, that would have been a swindle, but wouldn’t Pope John Paul II have noticed and not said “It is as it was”?

SKYFOX on April 28, 2009 at 11:52 AM

These liberals have no moral compass at all, while they seriously discuss the “slippery slope” of morality concerning water boarding, for goodness’ sake.

Mommypundit on April 28, 2009 at 6:38 AM

While salivating at the chance to water-board political enemies like Shawn Hannity. Sick bunch, them.

spmat on April 28, 2009 at 12:04 PM

Bleh, Sean Hannity.

spmat on April 28, 2009 at 12:05 PM

This is no time for recriminations – we simply must recognize the times:

Babylon has been a golden cup in the LORD’s hand, that made all the earth drunken: the nations have drunken of her wine; therefore the nations are mad.

If all we do to make things right comes to naught, just recognize these are the times God has prepared for the destruction of Babylon.

Queen0fCups on April 28, 2009 at 2:42 PM

Dr. Frank Page has never voiced support for Obama during the election. He was asked by the President to serve on the council, all of this was after the election.

He’s not some guy who’s been out campaigning for Obama. He went into his service with both eyes open. Early on, he voiced concerns for being a token conservative.

Would you rather he not be on the council? That’s a choice he made to attempt to be a positive influence in a place that he knew would be difficult.

He is not an idiot, but he is trying to be useful in standing up for Christian principles in a difficult situation.

Most of you are making comments and you have no idea his positions or his beliefs. Stop being like the left and attacking someone based on ignorance.

You can question if Page is going to have a positive impact or not, but you cannot assume that he is an Obama supporter or voter. He never said who he voted for (unlike liberal pastors), but from all indications he gave I would say that he did not vote for Obama.

wardrobedoor on April 28, 2009 at 4:32 PM