Comments on: Dueling fence bills coming up in Congress

By: Duncan D. Hunter is California Congressman » Right Pundits

Duncan D. Hunter is California Congressman » Right Pundits — Wed, 13 May 2009 05:05:29 +0000

[...] has been an out-spoken opponent of Obama’s budget, and acting on his campaign promise, he has introduced legislation to speed-up the completion of the planned border-fence-system. If you are a proponent of strong [...]

By: Dark-Star

Dark-Star — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 14:18:07 +0000

Anything we try to do, smugglers will find a way to counter in a few weeks.

cadetwithchips2 on April 27, 2009 at 4:11 PM

Then how about we make the consequences a little more fatal for them? No smuggler can counter having a new hole punched through their vitals.

Oops, forgot, our national spine has gone missing. Never mind.

By: MB4

MB4 — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 02:22:39 +0000

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Anything we try to do, smugglers will find a way to counter in a few weeks.

cadetwithchips2 on April 27, 2009 at 4:11 PM

Lead, follow, or get the Hell out of the way.
- George S. Patton

By: Baxter Greene

Baxter Greene — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 02:14:25 +0000

More than seven years after 9/11, and more than four years after the 9/11 Commission demanded immediate action to secure America’s borders, the political class still has not finished what should be the most basic of all security protections.

When thinking about the politicizing of issues preventing anything from being accomplished,top on my list is still the fact that there is still nothing accomplished,nothing standing to show how we have overcome,nothing to show how much we remember and respect the lives lost in the trade towers on 9/11.

Securing our borders is a no brainer.

Not having a “real” memorial and new Towers built 8 years after 9/11 is a dam# disgrace.

By: darwin-t

darwin-t — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 01:50:27 +0000

Borders are so last ~~century~~ administration. They aren't hopey changey at all. Seriously, if Uhhhbama wants to do the opposite of Bush on every issue, wouldn't he want to enforce immigration laws and seal the border?

By: Star20

Star20 — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 01:18:26 +0000

mrsmwp,

I think other countries will accept American “boat people,” because they will be the ones paying taxes, now.

By: mrsmwp

mrsmwp — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 01:00:37 +0000

You know, I would think that the Dems/Libs would be all for a fence on both borders. After all, they’re going to need some way to keep us all here.

By: Star20

Star20 — Mon, 27 Apr 2009 22:14:08 +0000

I think mine fields get an unfair bad rap. I’m just sayin.’

By: nelsonknows

nelsonknows — Mon, 27 Apr 2009 22:02:25 +0000

I live in southern Commiefornia where if you ask if the landscapers in your housing association are legal or illegal, idiots leave a note on your door to “mind your own business”. Contractors have to guard their work sites at night with shotguns to keep illegal aliens from destroying their work and work vehicles and to keep illegals from stealing their building materials. Illegal aliens here threaten LEGAL construction crews with death if they don’t leave the job sites so they can take over those jobs.
I have to laugh EVERY time an illegal alien’s van or truck mysteriously catches fire and burns up.

By: gopmom

gopmom — Mon, 27 Apr 2009 21:27:26 +0000

I’m in Massachusetts – full of illegals and sanctuary cities. Our governor has “forbidden” the Feds from conducting raids. And our law enforcement is not allowed to ask anyone their immigration status. Yes, we need a fence But we also need the will to enforce existing laws. They are flying in, with and without visas, overstaying, having children, etc. And who can blame them? If I was in Mexico or Brazil, I’d be swimming north.

But aside from a fence, we need common sense immigration law, not pc plicies. Other nations are screening everyone getting off a plane – we’re afraid of offending someone.

More info than any of you need but we have a family at our parish/school here for the year so the kids can learn English (irony noted) and they flew in last night from Mexico city after our Spring Break and they have voluntarily quarantined themselves! (The father is a doctor so there is awareness.) But you have to respect the concern and consideration. Why can’t we keep this family and send another back?

As to why the fence and the flu are related- One, I imagine the numbers in Mexico are much higher than reported and we won’t get a true picture until it’s over and bodies are counted. Two, as it spreads closer to the border, I believe people will panic and try to get here for the health care – I would especially if I had kids. Three, the fence would help with containment (not prevent the spread completely) and this is simply another example of why we should have it.

I am interested in how the constituents of Rep. Grijalva feel about his proposal. Their tax dollars are being used to chase down, hold, feed, educate, house, etc so many of the people coming over the border, not to mention the crime rate along the border.

By: Dark-Star

Dark-Star — Mon, 27 Apr 2009 20:32:42 +0000

How about autonomous UAV’s with free-fire zones around our southern border, except on preapproved routes? (like roads leading to regular border checkpoints) You enter the zones at your own $%^& risk.

By: upinak

upinak — Mon, 27 Apr 2009 20:22:52 +0000

As I understand it (and I’m no expert), this flu triggers an immune system response that can cause an overabundance of congestion in people with very strong immune systems (typically, healthy people in the 20-44 age range). They end up dying of pneumonia, as their lungs fill up. It’s ironic that the healthier you are, the harder it hits you. AZCoyote on April 27, 2009 at 4:00 PM

Might be even worse then that. Swine, Bird and Human DNA. Gotta love cloning and playing God with science.

By: AZ_Mike

AZ_Mike — Mon, 27 Apr 2009 20:22:45 +0000

Meanwhile, Rep. Raul Grijalva (D-Ariz.) has introduced a bill to SLOW construction of the border fence, citing concerns over environmental damage and tribal sovereignty.

I'm sure this is the kind of environmental damage he is concerned with. /sarc

By: kirkill

kirkill — Mon, 27 Apr 2009 20:19:03 +0000

By: cadetwithchips2

cadetwithchips2 — Mon, 27 Apr 2009 20:17:07 +0000

Look at the Railroad tun

nels through Colordo… many built in the 1800’s… and we can’t build a stinkin FENCE now?

Romeo13 on April 27, 2009 at 3:33 PM

Then:

Private industries competing with one another for capital gains.

Now:

1.) Govt.
2.) Recall the Swiftian town of Laputa.

By: cadetwithchips2

cadetwithchips2 — Mon, 27 Apr 2009 20:11:24 +0000

Fences will not stop migration, nor slow it. In best cases, it gives USBP time to react.

In populated areas, fences are for the most part practical, but have the added problem of giving smugglers a vantage point for rocking agents working in the area.

In deserts, vehicle barricades, not pedestrian fences are more practical (You have climbed a fence or two as a kid, right?) but not solutions.

Anything we try to do, smugglers will find a way to counter in a few weeks.

By: AZCoyote

AZCoyote — Mon, 27 Apr 2009 20:00:28 +0000

But the other troubling characteristic of this bug is the category of people who are dying – otherwise healthy youngish adults (unless what I read is wrong). Not the very young and the very old, is the case with run-of-the-mill influenzas.

ProfessorMiao on April 27, 2009 at 2:14 PM

As I understand it (and I’m no expert), this flu triggers an immune system response that can cause an overabundance of congestion in people with very strong immune systems (typically, healthy people in the 20-44 age range). They end up dying of pneumonia, as their lungs fill up. It’s ironic that the healthier you are, the harder it hits you.

By: juliesa

juliesa — Mon, 27 Apr 2009 19:39:27 +0000

Romeo, they’re already building parts of the fence, and it’s being built as much as a mile north of the border. No one is talking about changing the treaty, and I don’t think they will.

If they’re going to build it, they can do it engineering-wise, but people should know about the eminent domain costs, and also realize that the most rugged terrain (two large reservoirs and thousand foot deep canyons) hasn’t been attempted yet. It will be very expensive. Not saying it can’t be done, but it’s not the straight line across flat desert that most people think it is.

By: Tzetzes

Tzetzes — Mon, 27 Apr 2009 19:35:10 +0000

When is a Fence Not a Fence?

When it’s ajar.

By: Romeo13

Romeo13 — Mon, 27 Apr 2009 19:33:40 +0000

If we built a fence that followed exactly along the border, we would have to double or even triple the miles of fencing needed.

juliesa on April 27, 2009 at 3:27 PM

Once again… thats just engineering… get the politicians out of the way and it will be built…

Look at the Railroad tunnels through Colordo… many built in the 1800’s… and we can’t build a stinkin FENCE now?

By: Romeo13

Romeo13 — Mon, 27 Apr 2009 19:31:24 +0000

juliesa on April 27, 2009 at 3:10 PM

Sorry, but that is an Engineering issue… one that is dealt with nationwide every day.

There are hundreds of floodplains controled all over the place. Heck… the town I grew up in in Central California was once part of a SWAMP.

Its a question of will to do it… and the willpower needed to bypass the politics…

We have the RIGHT to control our border… if the Treaty does not allow for that, then it needs to be changed, as it is an Unconstitutional Treaty as its the Fed Govs DUTY to control the border.

By: Dr Evil

Dr Evil — Mon, 27 Apr 2009 19:29:50 +0000

Jefferson’s Grand Experiment required assimilation, that is a long time coming, no more reservations, plenty of time has passed for assimilation to take place. You cannot have a sovereign nation inside another sovereign nation. Why did America set criteria so the civilized tribes could adopt American ways so they could have citizenship, and they could be assimilated, and given the vote which they were “Not For Nothing”. We have enemies this country needs to MELD together.

By: juliesa

juliesa — Mon, 27 Apr 2009 19:27:14 +0000

To follow on to my comment, also because of the river’s curves. Go on Google Earth or maps and look at the river, especially near it’s mouth. It loops and doubles back on itself constantly. There are many places where you can be standing in Texas and look north across the river into Mexico.

If we built a fence that followed exactly along the border, we would have to double or even triple the miles of fencing needed.

By: upinak

upinak — Mon, 27 Apr 2009 19:22:26 +0000

Maybe they need to run another Iditarod dogsled delivery to Nome?

Steve Z on April 27, 2009 at 3:17 PM

Now that would be interesting. During the Break Up (spring) we have. Running 20 dogs on a 4 wheeler…. hmmmmmmm

By: Steve Z

Steve Z — Mon, 27 Apr 2009 19:17:38 +0000

Ann we don’t have enough Tamiflu or the other (I forget the name) here in Alaska. Nice huh. And they will only send extra if the flu has been known to be in that area, or what they concider an outbreak. Great… I have to wait for a sick UPS or FedEx Pilot who is delivering this?

I am not holding my breath up here.

upinak on April 27, 2009 at 2:23 PM

Maybe they need to run another Iditarod dogsled delivery to Nome?