Clinton cluelessness confirmed
posted at 9:26 am on April 27, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
Last week, the Washington Post reported that the new Israeli government of Benjamin Netanyahu planned to tell the US that they would not work on Palestinian issues until the US dealt with the threat from Iran. Israel later denied it, but I wrote that Netanyahu at least had the cause/symptom relationship correct, and that this administration would likely get it backward. The next day, Hillary Clinton confirmed it:
Aides to Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu said this week that the Israeli government will not move ahead on the core issues of peace talks with the Palestinians until it sees progress in U.S. efforts to stop Iran’s suspected pursuit of a nuclear weapon and limit Tehran’s rising influence in the region. Netanyahu, who is skeptical of efforts to create a Palestinian state, plans to visit Washington next month; aides said he was preparing to outline his emerging policy to President Obama.
Asked about those comments during an appearance before a panel of the House Appropriations Committee, Clinton said she did not want to “prejudge the Israeli position until we’ve had face-to-face talks.” But she then cautioned that Israel was unlikely to gain support for thwarting Iran unless there were visible efforts to achieve Palestinian statehood.
“For Israel to get the kind of strong support it’s looking for vis-a-vis Iran it can’t stay on the sideline with respect to the Palestinian and the peace efforts, that they go hand-in-hand,” Clinton said.
Clinton noted that every Arab official she has met with “wants very much to support the strongest possible policy toward Iran.” But, she said, “they believe that Israel’s willingness to reenter into discussions with the Palestinian Authority strengthens them in being able to deal with Iran.”
As I predicted, Clinton and Barack Obama got this backwards. The Palestinian problem is being stoked by Iran, not the other way around. Iran is behind the rise of Hamas and their coup d’etat in Gaza, which has effectively split the Palestinian proto-state into two entities. They want to ensure that an annihilationist force remains in power in order to give Iran a channel with which they can conduct proxy attacks on Israel. Iran openly funds Hamas for this very reason, just as they fund Hezbollah in Lebanon to create conflict on Israel’s north.
Arabs oppose Iranian hegemony for entirely selfish reasons; none of them want to live under a Persian thumb. That has nothing to do with Israel. If an American State Department can’t arrange Arab opposition to Iran, then they should quit in shame over their complete and abject incompetence. I’m not sure I’ve heard such a dumb excuse coming from State, and certainly not from a Secretary of State.
Israel’s engagement on Iran for the last 16 years since Oslo hasn’t garnered them the least bit of Arab opposition to Iranian hegemony. Israel has signed the Oslo accords, and suffered through two intifadas for their trouble. They pulled out of Gaza and dismantled all of the settlements there, and in return they get showered by thousands of rockets and missiles every year from Hamastan. Have Arab nations lifted a finger so far to keep Iran from funding Hamas in Gaza? Not at all. They’re far more concerned about Iran’s proxy attacks on their own governments, a concern that Hillary Clinton is apparently entirely incapable of recognizing and leveraging for real change in the Middle East.
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sorry. slow computer…I didn’t think it “took”.
eea on April 27, 2009 at 10:52 AM
Not your computer, it was a HA issue…
Odie1941 on April 27, 2009 at 10:53 AM
So Hillary is saying, die by palis or we’ll let Iran kill you
clnurnberg on April 27, 2009 at 10:56 AM
Excellent, succinct summary. Well said!
ProfessorMiao on April 27, 2009 at 10:56 AM
We’re all still waiting for a response from you, getalife the jackass. Give us your enlistment date, you sniveling coward.
OhioCoastie on April 27, 2009 at 10:59 AM
Of course,now that the democrats are in charge,it is time to start talking tough about National Security:
(via instapundit)
More Dems call for tough Iran sanctions
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0409/21716.html
Sanctions and Talks have been so successful,let’s have some more!!!!
Let’s see, the last time I heard democrats talking tough and demanding action about another country that posed a threat…let’s see…trying to remember…..
OHHH yea, IRAQ.
All through the 90′s and up until democrats voted for the Iraq war,it was “Saddam’s WMD have to be taken out”,
“Saddams on the verge of a nuclear weapon”,
“Saddams ties to al-qaeda pause a serious threat”,
“Sanctions have been a failure,Saddam needs to be taken out”,
We heard this from democrats up until and after the Iraq invasion.
Then the war got tough and unpopular.
democrats:
“Bush lied”,
“Big dumb ol Bush tricked all of us super smart democrats into war”,
“The Iraq war was the biggest mistake made in modern History”.
I don’t know about anyone else,but a democrat is the last person I won’t to hear from concerning military action.
From Vietnam to Iraq,democrats love getting into wars when it seems politically expedient.
But then they always sell our country out,stab our Soldiers in the back in pursuit of political power.
This is the type of “smart power” Isreal is getting from the Obama administration:
Obama’s atomic umbrella: U.S. nuclear strike if Iran nukes Israel By Aluf Benn, Haaretz Correspondent
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1045687.html
GREAT!!!!!
After you are destroyed Israel,you can bet we will take care of Iran for you.
I am sure Israel is “Thanks but no thanks” for the “smart power”.
Of course while democrats are ratcheting up the rhetoric
concerning Iran,behind the scenes they are setting the stage for “cut-and-run” in the “good war” that democrats kept telling us was the central front against al-qaeda:
Dems anxious about Af-Pak policy
By: David Rogers
April 23, 2009 01:15 PM EST
http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=D3F8018F-18FE-70B2-A873986135671377
“Get out of”.
How about ….I don’t know….”winning, Victory”.
Going into war with a “get out of ” mentality instead of doing what it takes to win is exactly why democrats should not be in charge,especially concerning National Security.
In other words,fighting the War on Terror(I thought getting Osama was so important) is getting in the way of cap and trade and socialized health care.
The best thing Obama could do is hold a press conference
and declare that all military decisions will be made by General Petraeus and his assembled staff.
Short of this being done,I have no faith what-so-ever that the democrats have the intelligence or the fortitude to do the right thing concerning military matters.
Baxter Greene on April 27, 2009 at 11:04 AM
Feeding trolls is bad emough, but if you want to beg them to chime in here why don’t you leave your own email for them?
Akzed on April 27, 2009 at 11:04 AM
Just to be clear, Ed, the pals were always broken into two distinct, and antagonistic, parts. The West Bank arabs are vastly different from the Gaza arabs and have been so since long before the Jordanian occupation of the West Bank and the Egyptian occupation of Gaza.
The split of the pals into two entities was not due to Iran, but due to natural forces, which is why anyone who ever called for “A palestinian state” was a fool who didn’t understand history or the various groups of arabs in the middle east.
There was NEVER the possibility of a “two-state solution” but always the intention to get three states – Israel, West Bank arabs and Gaza arabs.
progressoverpeace on April 27, 2009 at 11:06 AM
Baxter, an observation: brevity is the soul of wit.
OhioCoastie on April 27, 2009 at 11:06 AM
The Precedent and the idiot dems are the only ones who feel the need to constantly claim that America is an awful country. Your are all despicable, lying, scumbag traitors who are not fit for civilized society. You people are better suited to life in a sh!thole like Indonesia.
progressoverpeace on April 27, 2009 at 11:08 AM
Thanks but being witty is not my intention.
when I have less to say,I will be brief.
Should I now instruct you on how to post or apply common sense,appreciate the fact that people want to communicate a viewpoint,and concentrate on what I have to say instead of acting like the blog hall monitor.
Baxter Greene on April 27, 2009 at 11:17 AM
Good hard hitting article, Ed. More, please.
Basilsbest on April 27, 2009 at 11:19 AM
every response to getalife from now on should be:
http://www.goarmy.com/
end of message.
sonofdy on April 27, 2009 at 11:19 AM
T’aint nothing to worry much about~I trust that God is working, and all will be fine. Before you roll your eyes and move on, think about this:
God created Israel.
The world only knows a people group/family called Jews/Israel because God created them.
No other people/family group can be recognized after being driven from their country for 2,000 years.
Israel would not have returned to the land God promised them, re-creating the state of Israel in 1948, if it were not God’s Will. They wouldn’t have survived these 61 years since if it were not God’s Will. Israel will still be here a thousand years from now, when all of the troublemakers who hate Israel will not even be remembered.
T’aint nothing to worry about, friends. If you want to get on God’s good side…bless and do not curse Israel.
Doug on April 27, 2009 at 11:20 AM
Doesn’t matter. The America haters will get their wish in Pakistan before Iran is ready to destroy the world.
notagool on April 27, 2009 at 11:26 AM
Uh no, there was always the intention to NOT have the state of Israel. The Palestinians could have declared statehood in 1948 but didn’t. They could have agitated for statehood when they were under Jordanian and Egyptian rule between 1948 and 1967, but they didn’t. Since the various ‘peace processes’ have begun, they have never said that they want separate states in Gaza and the West Bank but instead have said repeatedly that they insist on a single, contiguous territorial entity. I don’t actually believe that that is their ultimate aim, but a first step in accomplishing their real goal – the end of Israel as a state.
ProfessorMiao on April 27, 2009 at 11:28 AM
Huh. When did He tell you that?
Akzed on April 27, 2009 at 11:28 AM
yesterday, over coffee.
he he he
sonofdy on April 27, 2009 at 11:31 AM
Frankly, I do believe God is on Israel’s side and I do believe that the push for Islamic rule is pure evil. That being said, the Obama administration takes incompetence to new levels. They are so single minded in their collective agenda that even basic logic is beyond them.
ORconservative on April 27, 2009 at 11:33 AM
You are correct. There’s no doubt that the bulk of the “piece process” was designed to destroy Israel, but my point was that the West Bank and Gaza communities despise each other and have for as long as the arabs have been there. The idea to group those arabs together just by virtue of the fact that they both losers of the same wars against Israel was never anything but a ruse for the consumption of naive Westerners – to help with the fantasy of a “palestinian arab” people.
progressoverpeace on April 27, 2009 at 11:38 AM
Thank you for your info. For the past several years I have been reading up on the history of this area of the world & the peoples who have lived & live there.
I agree with your assessment
Muslims have, in the end, their one goal in mind, that is if they revere their Koran.
Arab culture alone is disgustingly poisonous. And this is where it is sufficient to say that some cultures are better than others bcs THEY ARE.
Christian missionary work is what will save the world from this poison-nothing else (except for maybe a nuke or two).
Letting these people know what freedom & love & compassion are really like is their only hope.
There is no hope for these people as long as they remain such savages.
I call for a huge deprogramming event. I’ll leave it up to y’all to arrange that.
Badger40 on April 27, 2009 at 11:39 AM
That’s it. Let’s make fun of the guy for such a heartfelt statement.
After all-God really doesn’t create anything, right?
Badger40 on April 27, 2009 at 11:41 AM
Bingo, and the official “we” have bought it lock, stock and barrel despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
ProfessorMiao on April 27, 2009 at 11:43 AM
He told Abraham that, & he fulfilled it through Joshua. God allowed others to steal it (because of Israel’s rebellion), but he promised to give it back to them.
For hundreds of years before the Balfor Declaration, students of the Bible knew that Israel would return to their home one day.
jgapinoy on April 27, 2009 at 11:43 AM
Hillary is a disastrous Secretary of State.
CP on April 27, 2009 at 11:44 AM
There is precedent for this. “We” have also bought into the laughable muslim story that the arabs descended from Ishmael and, therefore, islam is a proper Abrahamic religion – the basis of the muslim claims to much of the land and holy sites of Israel. We can see today that arab societies can’t even get the history of the last 50 years straight (with writing and videotape available to prove what happened) but people believe that Mohammed was able to follow their lineage over a couple of thousand years in the desert! LOL. That would be as if a guy in India just created a new religion, stole pieces from our Constitution, twisted and perverted them into unrecognizable forms, declared George Washington to be the new religion’s first prophet and then started making claims on Washington D.C. as their holy city!
The arabs have been feeding lies for a long, long time and too many lazy Westerners just accept them as facts without even thinking about what they are really saying for a couple of minutes.
progressoverpeace on April 27, 2009 at 11:51 AM
It is illogical to assert that if I question whether God created modern Israel, it is reasonable to question whether I believe that God created anything at all.
Akzed on April 27, 2009 at 11:53 AM
NOTE: Not an anti-Semite, not an anti-Zionist, Israel has the right to defend herself, etc. Ok?
He kicked em out and made em live in Babylon for 70 years, then brought them back. Then He kicked them out in AD 70. Then brought them back again? Could He kick them out again? You should read Galatians and Hebrews.
For about 130 years before the founding of modern Israel, the followers of John Darby believed this, yes. The adulterer C.I. Scofield added Darby’s notes into his Scofield Reference Bible. That’s the illustrious history to which you refer.
Akzed on April 27, 2009 at 12:00 PM
+1
saus on April 27, 2009 at 12:03 PM
Never insinuated that ‘is illogical to assert that if I question whether God created modern Israel’.
It is certainly reasonable for you to ‘question whether I believe that God created anything at all’.
I am no “Bible” scholar, but the ‘various’ Bibles I have read pretty much sum everything up the same. Dickering over the little errors is pointless. The larger message remains the same:
The Jews are God’s chosen people
Israel is their birthright according to His word.
They were to be punished for the idolatry etc.
Someday they would be brought back to form their nation of Israel.
From what I’ve read, God pretty much created all of that.
Either by direct intervention or indirectly.
The Devil is not in the details of whether God did it directly or indirectly.
We know that His will is in these things & that’s all a Christian needs to know.
If you don’t prescribe to that, then that is your opinion on the matter.
But trivializing that guy’s ‘belief’ (faith) doesn’t cast a nice light upon you.
Badger40 on April 27, 2009 at 12:48 PM
No need to-Ed showed getahusband the door a couple of hours ago on one of the other threads.
Del Dolemonte on April 27, 2009 at 12:48 PM
NOTE: Not an anti-Semite, not an anti-Zionist, Israel has the right to defend herself, etc. Ok?
If you are not a Bibl scholar, why would you take sides in this debate? “I don’t know anything about brain surgery doc, but you don’t know what you’re talking about when it comes to brain surgery…”
Answer my question: how many times is God going to kick Israel out of the land and bring them back in? They were kicked out into Babylon, then brought back. Then they were kicked out in AD 70. You say they were brought back into the land again in their current incarnation.
Please give the biblical prophecies that predict the former and latter evictions and repatriations, and the basis on which you delineate the different events and their prophecies.
No really, don’t bother. The point is that some people want to base foreign policy decisions on a fringe, novel interpretation of Bible prophecy, about which there is great disagreement.
Why don’t we stick to what’s good for America in particular and western civilization in general, rather than who agrees with the Scofield notes, when discussing foreign policy?
Akzed on April 27, 2009 at 1:09 PM
Secretary of State is just another line on her resume to secure the next Democrat presidential nomination. You didn’t actually expect her to work the job, did you?
Anything deeper than a photo-op is above her skill set.
SKYFOX on April 27, 2009 at 1:32 PM
You seem pretty angry.
I have to be a Bible scholar to get the message it contains?!
I’m not necessarily advocating using the Bible to shape American foreign policy.
I originally just wondered WTF you were stomping on that guy earlier for. He raised an opinion.
I would bother except:
#1 I don’t have a Bible sitting here in front of me.
#2 Scofield’s notes are not part of the Bible I’m reading.
#3 What is the point of me getting into a pi$$ing match with you when all I asked was why you were jumping on that guy’s a$$ for mentioning Israel was Biblically important?
#4 I don’t think using things in the Bible to shape the vision of this country is a bad thing. We had guys who helped shape this country by using it. Some more than others.
My innocent question really has got you pi$$ed off for some reason. Sorry you are so extremely neurotic about it.
Badger40 on April 27, 2009 at 1:48 PM
BTW- this is a stupid argument bcs I have pointed many things out to my own Dr they had no clue about & all bcs I researched the topic heavily, or bcs I had a small bit of knowledge & posed a question about the matter & we discussed it, the Dr conceding I had a point.
So if you have to be a damned Bible scholar to get what’s said there, then WTF did we deviate from the previous model by letting others give us a working interpretation of what’s in there & just take their word for it?!
After all, we are not experts & therefore have no right to form an opinion on any matter we are not experts in.
I find your diatribe mind boggling, to say the least.
Badger40 on April 27, 2009 at 2:05 PM
Thanks for the diagnosis, Dr. Badger40.
I am extreme about nothing, unless DHS’s recent report is to be believed… I’m sure that we agree on enough things not to become mutual flamers. I must say, however, that the unsupported categorical statement I was challenging should be at least as troubling to you as my “neurotic” response was, were you thinking clearly.
Some people’s “sincere beliefs” are half-baked, baseless, disproved, factually incorrect, etc. You are defending such a belief while admitting that you don’t know what you’re talking about. I’d think about that if I were you.
Akzed on April 27, 2009 at 2:14 PM
The stupid leading the stupid!
capejasmine on April 27, 2009 at 2:24 PM
Thank you Mr/Ms Condescension Pants.
I never admitted I didn’t know what I was talking about.
I have read passages concerning Israel myself in the ‘Book’ & have made my own opinion about what it all means. Scofield is not the determiner on whether people believe or disbelieve God created Israel & that she has yet to claim her ‘inheritance’ righteously. This is not his construct.
Not being able to instantly quote scripture on demand doesn’t make my understanding what I read any less meaningful.
Mr Dr conversations were meant to illustrate that Drs do not have full knowledge license on medical matters.
People can independently form educated guesses on their own & do not have to have formal training in order to have ideas that have merit.
Honestly, I’m not sure why you were interested in attacking that individual for claiming a belief in Israel as important in end times prophecy.
The Scofield notes do not appear in every Bible printed out there. And the ones where it doesn’t show a clear connection, IMHO, to Israel’s importance in latter days.
I have no way of knowing we are in latter days.
But Israel, IMHO, is important biblically & should be supported when they do not deviate from America’s interests.
And IMHO America’s interests are biblical in nature.
But then I guess that’s just a fringe attitude.
Signing off.
Badger40 on April 27, 2009 at 2:29 PM
I feel sorry for Israel. Just when they need a strong American face they get this group of self possessed politicians. (Obama/Clinton)
3.5 more years……
FireBlogger on April 27, 2009 at 2:32 PM
There are places on this planet where that statement will result in decapitation.
The people who live in those places are who we should be “reaching out to”. Yeah. Right.
BobMbx on April 27, 2009 at 3:41 PM
I assume you meant Genesis 12 verse 3
In any case, Obama will not curse Israel whether it attacks Iran or sits back and is destroyed. He will merely shake his head over it and tsk tsk a little. However, he certainly will not lift one finger to save it either.
KW64 on April 27, 2009 at 4:32 PM
Lo, there came the voice of Akzed on April 27, 2009 at 1:09 PM
I John 5:20
And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
and
I Peter 2:9-10
But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;
10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.
fronclynne on April 27, 2009 at 5:00 PM
Clinton cluelessness confirmed
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Nah… Just Reaffirmed.
RalphyBoy on April 27, 2009 at 5:19 PM
Let it never be said again that Obama and the Clintons are not taking the Islamic world’s side.
- The Cat
MirCat on April 27, 2009 at 5:21 PM
Thanks for the support.
Badger40 on April 27, 2009 at 5:24 PM
That’s gonna leave a mark.
Blacksmith8 on April 27, 2009 at 7:00 PM
The better question is not, “are you a Bible scholar,” but “are you a Bible believer.” There are lots of people who consider themselves “Bible scholars” because they have some knowledge of the Bible, but don’t understand it because they don’t really believe it.
As William Tyndale said in disputing with a “Bible scholar,”
Of course, the church of the day was not amused, and Tyndale wound up being burned at the stake…
ThereGoesTheNeighborhood on April 28, 2009 at 12:17 AM
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No they want to survive.
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I thought you banned yourself……
scruplesrx on April 28, 2009 at 12:50 AM
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Are you BrainDead…..what a cerebral flatulence you are….
Obama goes to south america blaming US for everything……clinton goes to mexico blaming the drug violence on the US for our drug habit and to top it off the outlandish comment on the gun problem in mexico.
We could write a thesis on the left blaming the US.
scruplesrx on April 28, 2009 at 1:06 AM
Baxter Greene on April 27, 2009 at 11:04 AM
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Bravo !! Well Said…..!!
This is why the US has been fighting the politically correct war since the 50′s.
scruplesrx on April 28, 2009 at 1:11 AM
Obama is muslim….and an illegal alien.
Can we see the birth certificate please? Before he finishes the country?
Thanks in advance.
ex-Democrat on April 28, 2009 at 1:41 AM
Doncha know that’s called Smart Power? /sarc
AH_C on April 28, 2009 at 3:03 AM
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