Video: Coulter and Pirro yell at each other over how to define torture
posted at 1:45 pm on April 26, 2009 by Allahpundit
A food fight for your amusement on a lazy Sunday. The most revealing bit isn’t the Coulter/Pirro exchange but the premise tacitly accepted by Pirro, Estrich, and Geraldo himself that enhanced interrogation was an understandable overreaction after 9/11, back when the threat of an attack was, you know, real. Bear that in mind today while you peruse the news elsewhere, filled as it is with reports of bombings in Iraq on the upswing, Hezbollah potentially being unleashed in response to an Israeli attack on Iran, and of course the creeping Talibanization of Pakistan. Just another “bright, sunny, safe day in April 2009.” Click the image to watch.
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The terrorist threat dissolved the moment the Presidential results were revealed to the world. No one, and I mean NO ONE, is going to mess with The Spine of Steel™.
Bishop on April 26, 2009 at 1:49 PM
Super.
ANOTHER screamfest.
BallisticBob on April 26, 2009 at 1:50 PM
…and then they made out
Daemonocracy on April 26, 2009 at 1:50 PM
Hey, Allah, no NFL draft thread? I wanted to sent congrats to JetBoy on the Sanchez pick.
Y-not on April 26, 2009 at 1:51 PM
The nightmare scenario for Obama is that Israel launches an attack on Iranian nuclear facilities that is largely unsuccessful but that provokes an Iranian missile retaliation against Israel and all-out guerrilla campaigns by Hamas and Hezbollah.
…….
Indeed.
Do you know what that would do to his golf schedule?
artist on April 26, 2009 at 1:51 PM
Did Pirro lose a tooth?
By the way, why is Obama playing golf while brown people are dying in America?
WIDDI?
carbon_footprint on April 26, 2009 at 1:52 PM
By the way, why is Obama playing golf while brown people are dying in America?
WIDDI?
carbon_footprint on April 26, 2009 at 1:52 PM
You’re asking the wrong question.
You should ask, how did he do?
And is his puppy still barking?
artist on April 26, 2009 at 1:54 PM
puts Dinnerjacket in the ground. Barry would lose a supporter.
Limerick on April 26, 2009 at 1:54 PM
Well, we know it’s not waterboarding since everyone is volunteering for it. It’s the new pet rock sort of thing.
And we know it’s not standing, face grabbing, face slapping, and chest poking, because that is too much like Sister Hilda’s second grade classroom at Our Lady of Charity.
And we know it’s not handcuffing, hair pulling, slapping, biting, because that is too much like that crazy chick you met in the bar and took home.
So, what is torture?
Blake on April 26, 2009 at 1:54 PM
It was wrong in 2001 and it is wrong today. Overreaction after an attack on the homeland is understandable, which is why history is rather kind to the detainment of the Japanese Americans after PH. History will be kind on the toturers but it does not make it right.
Squid Shark on April 26, 2009 at 1:55 PM
Anytime you have to Listen to a liberal trying to defend there positions from the comfort and safety of an America that they are making less safe: That’s Torture! Throw in Geraldo Rivera and it’s downright inhumane.
Tommy_G on April 26, 2009 at 1:56 PM
Who cleans up after that puppy when Obama does his photo walk with it for the journos? Is he carrying a Safeway plastic grocery bag or something?
Blake on April 26, 2009 at 1:56 PM
BTW, has anyone mentioned that a certain Guitarist/Bicyclist blogger is now threatening to ‘take off the gloves’ against our own Michelle Malkin?
carbon_footprint on April 26, 2009 at 2:00 PM
I cannot, shall not watch Geraldo on a plane.
I cannot, shall not watch Geraldo while I’m sane.
John the Libertarian on April 26, 2009 at 2:00 PM
The motive was in part to lose whatever intel advantage we gained, and the message “we can all agree upon” is that frivolous reference to intense interrogations as “torture” IS being soft on terrorism.
Stuff that in you pipe hole, Geraldo.
maverick muse on April 26, 2009 at 2:00 PM
Someone should get all the folks that have gone through training in interrogation on the receiving end and let them discuss what is torture or not. Too many folks that have no idea what they are talking about. Start from1960 to present you will have thousands of service people to speak first hand on this subject and put to rest all the talking heads who know not of what they speak. Speaking for myself I say not torture I went through the training. John McCain is against torture but whatever he says if he had been water boarded and the other techniques in the released information he would not be crippled as he is today because he was tortured.
rsl775 on April 26, 2009 at 2:01 PM
heh, yeah…Gang Green finally didn’t screw up the draft. Sanchez is getting mixed reception from Jets fans, but I’m liking it. Rose Bowl MVP! PLEASE just no injuries. Pleeeeaaase!
OK, back on topic…Coulter is spot on here, plus all these torture allegations are purely for partisan political reasons. Let a bi-partisan panel do some closed-door investigation.
People forget, we’re still at war.
JetBoy on April 26, 2009 at 2:02 PM
Here’s a screenshot of his comment making a veiled threat against RS McCain and MM.
carbon_footprint on April 26, 2009 at 2:03 PM
OT carbon_footprint on April 26, 2009 at 2:00 PM–That old hippy isn’t at Pajama Media blog, though his attendance at its founding was loudly self proclaimed.
maverick muse on April 26, 2009 at 2:03 PM
Hehe
toliver on April 26, 2009 at 2:04 PM
If they aren’t a US citizen, then do whatever it takes to get the info to save American lives. I don’t care what they do to them.
KSgop on April 26, 2009 at 2:05 PM
It takes an Ann Coulter to finish a point with Geraldo interrupting.
maverick muse on April 26, 2009 at 2:05 PM
History will be kind on the toturers but it does not make it right.
Squid Shark on April 26, 2009 at 1:55 PM
They weren’t torturers, they were interrogators who saved thousands of lives.
I thank them and expect them to continue to extract intelligence.
artist on April 26, 2009 at 2:09 PM
Waterboarding has been torture for as long as I have been in the military. I will go with what I know.
Squid Shark on April 26, 2009 at 2:15 PM
He was tortured, and so were the WWII American POWs at the hands of the Imperial Japanese.
Coulter made the point that though exquisitely painful, 10-20 seconds of water up your nose is NOT torture. A lot of people have swallowed improperly and choked on food or beverage or just while learning to swim. So ban all food, drink, water, swimming and bathing as linked to torture.
Given the opportunity to answer questions without stimulus, terrorists volunteer for whatever intensive techniques they choose as participants in interrogation.
maverick muse on April 26, 2009 at 2:16 PM
Damn any investigation. The record is clean. EVERYONE in seats of authority KNEW and approved. There is nothing to investigate, wasting money and energy and our attention from all REAL BUSINESS OF SURVIVAL.
maverick muse on April 26, 2009 at 2:21 PM
The thing is that Obama has not excluded “forced interrogation”, it’s still allowed as an “exception”.
the_nile on April 26, 2009 at 2:21 PM
I’ve got a great idea! Let’s tell the terrorists that if they attack America, we’ll give them a free air-conditioned room, all they can eat, and cable tv! It would give them a great alternative to working hard to make their own lives better!
JohnJ on April 26, 2009 at 2:23 PM
These people are so dangerous naive and stupid that we should all be scared. Remember the same people who think slapping and putting a caterpillar in with someone is torture are the guys running our country.
I personally think Obama and his cronies are some of the most dangerous enemies America has ever faced. Between weakening our economy, weakening our defense, and making it well known we’re weak to every one of our enemies I just don’t know how we’re going to make it out of this situation.
Kronos on April 26, 2009 at 2:25 PM
Any time you hear a fierce partisan like Estrich say “I’m not interested in the blame game”, you know the Democrats are as susceptible to prosecution as the Republicans in this.
DarkKnight3565 on April 26, 2009 at 2:27 PM
The bottom line is this
If we get attacked again in a big way and say we catch one of the perps.
Obama himself will be in there using ‘ebnhanced techniques’ on this guy to get info.
War is hell and history repeats itself
kangjie on April 26, 2009 at 2:31 PM
I’m not so sure. I think if we catch a plotter before hand then perhaps because Obama will want to avoid the negative press any attack would cause. But afterward he would be worried about his reputation to the world and to his base so I have my doubts.
For the recond I don’t think Obama is some kind of monster unconcerned with human suffering. He’s just so self-centered that he really believes he’s the only one who can save America. So anything that helps him helps the whole world.
Kronos on April 26, 2009 at 2:36 PM
If we get attacked again in a big way, will the country come together like it did after 9/11?
cjs1943 on April 26, 2009 at 2:39 PM
The liberals will tell everyone to sit around in drum circles and try and figure out why the attack was our fault and who we should grovel to for forgiveness.
KSgop on April 26, 2009 at 2:42 PM
Ann makes excellent points as always even though she couldn’t get out because of the liberal hellhole she was in, that the Japanese version of waterboarding bore no relation to the CIA version. There were no physicians or psychologists present with the Japanese, there were no limits on the amount of water used, or how long it could be used, there were no limits on the usage of the technique before other techniques had been used, there were no coverings of the mouth or nose with cloth or plastic, there were no notifications by the Japanese prior to use that the person to be waterboarded would not suffer death or serious physical injury by their use (as OLC required these terrorists to be notified), the Japanese placed the water directly into the noses and mouths of POWs, and the Japanese who were actually sentenced to death had a host of other much more significant abuse than their water torturing for which they could be independently sentenced to death. This is like liberals claiming that Charles Manson was in prison for burglary of Sharon Tate’s home, and then saying Charles Manson was sentenced to death in a trial where he was convicted for burglarizing Sharon Tate’s home, without mentioning the inconvenient facts that he and his group murdered her and her unborn child (and as Bernadette Dohrn so colloquially stated forty years ago, Manson ‘stuck a fork in her’ belly, before making forklike gestures, and stating that was cool.)
Liberals/democraps are trying to remind the country why democraps are incapable of conducting serious foreign policy and are incapable of protecting the national interest with these witch hunts and koolaid commissions.
Conservatives should welcome these trials because it will show the utter derangement and hypocrisy and irrationality of democraps that could be rerun during 2010 and 2012.
eaglewingz08 on April 26, 2009 at 2:42 PM
That may be but these interrogations were conducted by the CIA, not the military. Different schools, different rules.
Deanna on April 26, 2009 at 2:44 PM
Wow, so I guess all those special forces guys that have been waterboarded as part of their training to resist interrogation have been tortured. Wow, our military tortures its own troops. Are you going to set up a big lawsuit against our goverment for that barbaric practice? Nice throw down on the absolute moral authority card there too…well, you won’t be disappointed with the Obama Presidency. I doubt we’ll be doing anything with prisoners beyond 3 hots and a cot. So, your moral superiority is safe for the next 8 years.
austinnelly on April 26, 2009 at 2:45 PM
Watching Geraldo is torture. I couldn’t make it to the end. Gah!
SouthernGent on April 26, 2009 at 2:46 PM
Beggin the question, why two sets of rules?
Squid Shark on April 26, 2009 at 2:47 PM
That was almost watchable, which is a big step up for Geraldo, the turd.
I get so tired of this “People will say anything” idiocy. I’ve heard people try to use this argument against “torture” to extract information all the time. It’s a joke. People will always “say anything”, no matter whether you are cutting their arms off or giving them chocolates and prostitutes. They are, of course, much more apt to lie to you if you are giving them chocolates and prostitutes and making a fool of yourself, but the idiots always skip over this little obvious fact.
In the end, though, it was very leftist of them not to let Ann explain what an obvious lie the “Japanese were prosecuted for waterboarding” idiocy. The Japanese did things that were so horrific as to shock even the most hardened. I’m sure that any prisoner of the Japanese would have been happy if he had just been waterboarded every day. Sheesh.
progressoverpeace on April 26, 2009 at 2:48 PM
Too bad they destroyed the torture tapes.
Like Eisenhower showed the good little germana the evils of the nazis, we need to show the good little cons the evils of torture.
getalife on April 26, 2009 at 2:49 PM
That would have been a violation of the 4th Geneva Conventions, dipsh!t. Humiliation is a war crime, now. You people are just clueless. … and very dangerous.
progressoverpeace on April 26, 2009 at 2:51 PM
Epic Fail, austin.
This is a very sully argument that is continuously thrown out.
Those trainees (who are not just Special Forces, it is anyone training to be a pilot) are trained to resist the worst that our scummy enemies with less scruples would use against up.
So now all of the sudden I am the one with “moral superiority”, I thought liberals were the party of “morally grey” but I guess I was wrong. Having principles and standards that we live by must get thrown away at the first sign of trouble, huh?
Squid Shark on April 26, 2009 at 2:51 PM
Entertaining,but not quite as entertaining as my Sunday plans.
Possibly after the commission on whether or not we should have a commission to investigate terrorist involvement in said attack and that will occur only after every “right wing extremist (acording to the DHS report)” group has been investigated and thoroughly crucified in the publics eye just to make sure the current administration hits the point home that all right wing groups are dangerous and anyone associated with any one of them will be sought out for questioning(interrogations) remember that now they can no longer have their lawyers present…
canditaylor68 on April 26, 2009 at 2:53 PM
progressoverpeace on April 26, 2009 at 2:51 PM
They took the good little germans to the concentration camps. There is film of their horror.
getalife on April 26, 2009 at 2:55 PM
The message that the Liberal Party are
sending out,is sympathy for Terrorists,
I guess!
Maybe if some moral superiority type Liberal ever gets
into a situation where their head might be removed by
the ‘moderate’ Jihady,
I bet,that terrorist would really like to hear that
Liberals political viewpoint on torture!!!
canopfor on April 26, 2009 at 2:56 PM
I have found the torture argument strange… if we are a ‘nation of laws’ we recognize that we are also under the Law of Nations… explicitly stated in the US Constitution and in some of our laws in the US Code. And as we are a Nation amongst Nations, and the Law of Nations work for the powerful and weak Nation and all Nations, then that is where we must start to examine just who these ‘terrorists’ are. For our very laws have foundations understood at the time of the Founding, and were talked about deeply on how to make a Just Nation.
It is unfortunate that those who wish to provide civil law to those who have disdained all laws of earth and the laws of man to return to the Law of Nature, don’t recognize that. If one wanted to be judged by civil law, all they need do is give themselves up to it: like all civilians do. But in reclaiming all liberty and rights and disclaiming all Nations and threatening all mankind, these are not civilians nor even soldiers under law. Man returned to Nature, red of tooth and claw and they ask no mercy and give none. And when they tell us to do our duty in mockery because they know we are weak with being too civilized, then we know our civilization’s days are numbered. They want no protection of the law. Any law. And say so. Time and again. Born equal in rights, they do not accept that we must make basic law to invest some of those negative rights and liberties in society and its organs. They have turned predator, the law is only useful to ourselves, not them.
By Geneva we would class these men as ‘spies’ when under military law.
Our findings are that they are unlawful combatants, and that is all that need be known of them.
Our duty, from the Law of Nations, from Lincoln to our modern time is clear.
KSM tires of our prattling and tells us to do our duty – the beast understands when it is caged and taunted with those things it does not want nor need. And because we are afraid to do what we must do to predators that feast upon us all, we will fall as we have become too civilized to survive.
ajacksonian on April 26, 2009 at 2:57 PM
That doesn’t matter. The United States cannot be seen condoning torture in any form. To have our own military torture our own soldiers, treating them worse than they are allowed to treat enemy detainees, cannot be logically sustained. Our government is bound to treat US citizens better than non-citizens. That is a truism. You cannot advocate worse treatment for US citizens by our own government.
You are not allowed to sell yourself into slavery. You are not allowed to pay someone to cut your arm off, for kicks. Because society finds these acts to be reprehensible. You claim that waterboarding is torture, which is reprehensible, then you cannot officially sanction its use anywhere, least of all on US citizens, only. That would be insane for you to try to argue.
But, the fact that we could have game shows on TV that waterboarded contestants shows that the public does not consider that anything close to torture. Detainees can’t have a little bug put in their cells, but game show contestants can have their heads stuck in jars full of tarantulas. Okay.
progressoverpeace on April 26, 2009 at 3:00 PM
I know what we did. ALl of that is now ILLEGAL. Do you not understand this? Are you that retarded? The 4th Geneva Conventions ruled of these sorts of humiliations to be ILLEGAL. You talk about “film” while not being aware, I guess, that it is ILLEGAL to take pictures of people being humiliated – it’s illegal to take any pictures of detainees and distribute them publicly.
You are arguing points that make your current positions look plainly IDIOTIC. Get a brain.
progressoverpeace on April 26, 2009 at 3:03 PM
Well, we know who can play The Joker in the next Batman movie: Susan
EstrichEstrogen!!! Man, she looks as hidious as Pelosi. Maybe both of them have been tortured by plastic surgeons? Quick, call the ACLU for a malpractice lawsuit.Love Ann Coulter for the mention of a bug in a cell, the leftists claim torture for that?
I say torture is watching Jerry Rivers, Janeene Pirro and Susan Estrogen claim waterboarding is torture. Our own troops endure the practice of waterboarding and others to prepare if captured on a battlefield
dthorny on April 26, 2009 at 3:07 PM
I totes agree. They shouldn’t have waterboarded the terrorists they caught. They should have used that part of the Geneva conventions where if you were a non-uniformed combatant in a War Zone, you were summarily executed. Then they should have carpet bombed all of those stupid terrorist camps like they did with Dresden and Berlin. Nazis in Muslim clothing.
I’m fairly certain that wouldn’t have been well received by those hand wringing over a water boarding of some terrorist though…
mjk on April 26, 2009 at 3:08 PM
Ann is right. As she pointed out, they not only waterboarded, they amputated and placed maggots on our men.
McCain made this bold assumption that we tried the Japanese for waterboarding exclusively when it was not the case.
jencab on April 26, 2009 at 3:09 PM
Squid Shark on April 26, 2009 at 3:09 PM
Do you know what Muslims do to non-Muslims? Cutting off their genitals and stuffing them in their mouths before shooting them? Attaching all four extremities to different cars and having the cars drive in different directions? Soaking screws and other metal pieces in rat poison, then using it in suicide bombs to make the fatalities worse? Hanging people for converting to Christianity? Torturing gay people? Killing women for having sex outside of marriage?
I’m sorry, but getting your head wet is weak tea compared to that crap.
I know we’re not supposed to play that game, but seriously, I don’t care if terrorists are waterboarded. I know that makes me a horrible person or something, but I honestly don’t care.
mjk on April 26, 2009 at 3:13 PM
You cannot volunteer to have someone do something illegal to you. You cannot hire someone to kill you. Dr. Death learned all about this. You and I cannot sign a contract that forces one of us to break the law. That is not a valid contract. Torture is illegal. No one can sign up for it. What they are signing up for, if upheld as valid in court, cannot be “torture”.
progressoverpeace on April 26, 2009 at 3:13 PM
No, we only dismissed a general from the army for condoning and encouraging it.
Squid Shark on April 26, 2009 at 3:14 PM
But I do get a kick out of the fact that you are claiming that the US government is only allowed to torture US citizens. How does that work?
progressoverpeace on April 26, 2009 at 3:14 PM
The issue is these people are not bound by the Geneva Conventions. They do not wear uniforms, are deemed enemy combatants which is why we have them detained overseas. The Geneva Convention rules do not apply in this situation nor do American rights.
PS: Even if they did deserve fair treatment, cutting off American heads leads to a whole new can of worms for these maggots.
Anyone for a microwave that seats 40?
dthorny on April 26, 2009 at 3:15 PM
Here is the list of charges that Asano had against him after WW II. This is what Piero was talking about.
Quite a bit more than waterboarding here.
conservnut on April 26, 2009 at 3:15 PM
OK, so the horrible attrocities committed by those in other countries justify our compromising our own principles?
Squid Shark on April 26, 2009 at 3:16 PM
NRO’s Mark Hemingway refutes Paul Begala’s claim regarding the executing of Japanese convicted of waterboarding: http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZWQ4YTBiYjJiOGNiMjQxNGY5ZmUxYTNjOTM1MDk1MDY=
Ann Coulter is correct, and a concerted effort must be made to take Begala’s narrative out of the discussion. It is misleading and downright false.
BTW NRO’s “The Corner” has a number of squibs that discuss the interrogation issue with facts and legal expertise.
onlineanalyst on April 26, 2009 at 3:16 PM
One other point, the men that Asano was torturing were uniformed combatants protected under the Geneva convention. Unlike the scum we were picking up in Iraq and Afghanistan.
conservnut on April 26, 2009 at 3:18 PM
No one is bound by the Geneva Conventions. It’s war and no country has ever follwed the Conventions, outside of a selection of rules they like, here and there. The Geneva Conventions are a joke.
I was just pointing out to getabrain that our successful tactics from WWII were all declared illegal, by the moronic GC, just after they had been used to secure the greatest and best military victory of all time.
progressoverpeace on April 26, 2009 at 3:18 PM
All I want is the same ROE as the Allies used in WWII.
progressoverpeace on April 26, 2009 at 3:20 PM
The U.S. Government should be allowed to train volunteer serrvicepersons to resist tortures which may be visited upon them if they are captured by an enemy which does not share our principles.
I was once put into a room filled with active mustard agent even though that was against the laws of war to use gas in combat.
Why? So I could be trained on the proper use of chemical countermeasures. I knew what I was getting into, and so do these guys.
This does not mean that I think we should start dropping mustard gas on enemy populations.
Squid Shark on April 26, 2009 at 3:21 PM
I think Democrats’ real problem with waterboarding is that we’ll waterboard someone who will give up information on Democrats and foreign liberals who were in cahoots with the enemy.
Oil for food, Susan Lindauer, Democrats’ alliance with al qaeda in Bosnia during their war against the Serbs…there is so much that we need to learn about Democrat involvement with al qaeda and other enemies of the US.
Buddahpundit on April 26, 2009 at 3:22 PM
So you think that the US military should be able to rape female soldiers in order to train them to resist what will be surely done to them if they are captured? Is this what you’re saying? If not, then why not?
Gas was used in war on a basis of reciprocity from our side. There are no such things as “laws of war”. War, itself, is the denial of law and the attempt to impose ones own law by force. War is a legal black hole, by definition. In other words, laws that cannot be enforced are worthless. How do you enforce the “laws of war” on anyone but yourself?
What do you think of our strategic nuclear arsenal, which is constructed to achieve one purpose – the incineration of tens of millions of men, women, children, and pets? Do you know why we have these weapons, even though they stand in violation of a slew of articles in the Geneva Conventions? Think about it for a minute.
That was a really silly analogy.
progressoverpeace on April 26, 2009 at 3:28 PM
I think that USA “journalists” and the populace need to get over the concept that we are the only people on the face of the earth and realize that since 9/11,that there have been over 13,000 attacks attributed to ISLAM worldwide. There is a world war going on and we better get with it. We either fight it and win or do not fight it and lose,,,,pretty easy choice.
retiredeagle on April 26, 2009 at 3:33 PM
I am really failing to see how the analogy is “silly”.
You claim that because we use a form of torture to train servicemembers that it should be OK for us to use it on our enemies.
OK so we use mustard agents for training, thus we should be able to use it on our enemies.
Squid Shark on April 26, 2009 at 3:34 PM
No thanks. I don’t watch screamers.
AnninCA on April 26, 2009 at 3:36 PM
Enhanced Interrogation: Subjecting detainees to watch 3 cackling hens and an obnoxious bonehead debate the issue….
Braindroppings on April 26, 2009 at 3:37 PM
The real headline is – Talking Chimp Plays Golf!
mr1216 on April 26, 2009 at 3:38 PM
I don’t see how a terrible world economy, a weak, defense hating administration in a world with multiple Hitler wannabes along with an overflow of liberalism, can end well.
Speakup on April 26, 2009 at 3:39 PM
It would not be a debate about torture with a little delicious racist commentary about the president thrown in.
Way to raise the rhetoric.
Squid Shark on April 26, 2009 at 3:42 PM
In the same way that we use it on our own people, yes. But that’s not how mustard gas is used, is it? That’s why your analogy is silly.
progressoverpeace on April 26, 2009 at 3:44 PM
Geraldo talks like a little girl trying to get into an adult conversation.
What a dufus
Kini on April 26, 2009 at 3:44 PM
Ummmm, k.
Squid Shark on April 26, 2009 at 3:45 PM
The racism’s all in your head. You people are just utterly despicable.
progressoverpeace on April 26, 2009 at 3:45 PM
You people indeed.
Keep telling yourself that, PP.
Squid Shark on April 26, 2009 at 3:50 PM
Which “you people” are you referring to PP?
Vets?
Working class white folks?
People tired of being associated with condoning this crap?
Squid Shark on April 26, 2009 at 3:52 PM
Was that Susan Estrich, or was that Carol Channing’s evil twin with a face lift?
Daggett on April 26, 2009 at 3:56 PM
What are you talking about? Nancy Pelosi wasn’t playing golf today.
Daggett on April 26, 2009 at 4:02 PM
They all get colonoscopies while at Guantanamo Bay. Does that count as torture?
Blake on April 26, 2009 at 4:08 PM
You are full of whale excretement. They sill waterboard our special operations forces during training. The SERE courses still waterboard. I was waterboarded at the end of basic training, and during E & E (now SERE) courses. WATERBOARDING IS NOT TORTURE!!!!!
Nuts4koi on April 26, 2009 at 4:23 PM
So, if chimp jokes are made about white people it is about their intelligence, but if done about people of color then it s racism. Is that what you are saying?
Beoir on April 26, 2009 at 4:29 PM
Jinkies, O Creator of Worlds.
If Charles and Michelle are going to rumble, who will win?
Better yet…. who’s side are you on?
You do unnerstand…..Michelle will get served.
Comparative lack of substrate.
hahahaha
strangelet on April 26, 2009 at 4:30 PM
I watched it and it was stupid. Nobody can distinguish between either one of them when they talk at the same time. Geraldo is an idiot who usually lets the liberal yakk over the top of the other person and vise versa. It’s crappy TV and crappy debate.
tx2654 on April 26, 2009 at 4:34 PM
Hey….why isn’t Roobart Sbunsar (Robert Spencer) here anymore?
Didn’t he usta have a top picks spot here?
Anyone?
AllahP….wheres Robert?
strangelet on April 26, 2009 at 4:34 PM
Do you guyz wanna see a thrown down I had with Robert?
Haz pictures. ;)
strangelet on April 26, 2009 at 4:37 PM
For those who are not familiar with Jeanine:
http://www.observer.com/2008/politics/protesting-i-judge-jeanine-pirro-i
diogenes on April 26, 2009 at 4:38 PM
Others who have been waterboarded as part of the training disagree, respectfully of course.
I wont stoop to your silly level.
Squid Shark on April 26, 2009 at 4:40 PM
Here’s a screenshot of his comment making a veiled threat against RS McCain and MM.
carbon_footprint on April 26, 2009 at 2:03 PM
Hey, carbon….I been gone a while……why isnt Spencer in the Top Picks anymore?
strangelet on April 26, 2009 at 4:41 PM
Did Michelle give Spencer the hook?
Wow, my respect for her will go through the roof if that is true.
strangelet on April 26, 2009 at 4:43 PM
Are you one? I have never met a vet that has gone through it that likes it, but has never called it torture.
Nuts4koi on April 26, 2009 at 4:45 PM
PLeasepleaseplease….dont make meh dig through the vault….when did Michelle give Robert Spencer the boot?
strangelet on April 26, 2009 at 4:47 PM
Earlier, I posted a link to an instructor of the class calling it torture.
Squid Shark on April 26, 2009 at 4:51 PM
Well, if I’d have known it would have prevented a large-scale attack on Los Angeles, I might have been against water-boarding too.
Hey idiot – I’ve got the vid of me and my buddies being water-boarded during special ops training. Will that do?
By the way, Allah? getalife said he was voluntarily banning himself. Can you help a good little liberal like him live up to his own standards? (i.e. Ban him? Please?)
Squiggy on April 26, 2009 at 4:54 PM
Sorry. Missed your link. I stronly disagree however, and I have been through it several times. To me torture is something that causes extreme constant pain, leaves severe scars and/or missing, unusable, or deformed body parts, or causes death. I believe beheading pretty much meets that. I get so tired of people saying we have to be above all of that. That is great to say, and great to strive for, however if we don’t sink to the level of our enemies, will will inevitably loose.
Nuts4koi on April 26, 2009 at 5:04 PM
no. Torture would be listening to Hillary kackle for 20 minutes.
johnnyU on April 26, 2009 at 5:07 PM
That is the first pushback on the story of the US prosecute Japanese after WWII for waterboarding. I would like to know where Coulter got her info. I don’t doubt her I would just like to read it myself
KBird on April 26, 2009 at 5:16 PM
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