Quotes of the day

posted at 9:30 pm on April 26, 2009 by Allahpundit

“Rank-and-file Republicans remain, by all indications, staunchly conservative, and they appear to have no desire to moderate their views. GOP activists and operatives say they hear intense anger at the White House and at the party’s own leaders on familiar issues – taxes, homosexuality, and immigration. Within the party, conservative groups have grown stronger absent the emergence of any organized moderate faction…

‘My e-mail overfloweth,’ said David Overholtzer, a longtime GOP activist in western Iowa’s Pottawattamie County. ‘Amnesty is still very much a hot-button and gay marriage especially is here in Iowa. The view is that we’ve got to hold our legislators’ and governors’ feet to the fire.’

‘I’ve never seen the grass-roots quite as motivated, concerned and angry,’ said Steve Scheffler, the head of the Iowa Christian Alliance and the state’s RNC committeeman…

Asked about how a presidential candidate urging the party toward the middle on cultural issues would fare, Scheffler said flatly: ‘They’re not gonna go anywhere.’”

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“At a recent listening session that Ryan held in East Troy, a constituent told him she was so disturbed by Obama she could hardly open her eyes in the morning.

‘I think he wants to destroy private enterprise. I think he’s really out to destroy this country,’ she said.

Ryan let the comment go, one of several he fielded over the course of six listening sessions that day from conservatives angry and exasperated over Obama and Democrats in Congress.

It’s like you’re their psychiatrist but you don’t charge them. They just want to get this stuff off their chest to you so they can vent. So just let them do it,’ Ryan explained later, paraphrasing the advice his wife, Janna, once gave him about handling what Ryan called ‘comments in frustration.’”

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watson007 on April 26, 2009 at 10:42 PM

Haven’t seen you in a long time. Any answers to the leader questions. I personally have not found someone the boasts my natural optimisim.

Cindy Munford on April 26, 2009 at 10:52 PM

Poor guy.

Having to listen to a bunch of unhinged cons has to suck.

getalife on April 26, 2009 at 10:50 PM

You’d know…

Oh dear master O

I listen daily to the cons

But nothing extreme yet to report

Please give me courage and strength to continue trolling

Amen

/getalife

Upstater85 on April 26, 2009 at 10:52 PM

*slap slap slap…*

Wake the f^%$ up!

Saltysam on April 26, 2009 at 10:45 PM

Nicely played, Sam!!

califcon on April 26, 2009 at 10:53 PM

Poor guy.

Having to listen to a bunch of unhinged cons has to suck.

getalife on April 26, 2009 at 10:50 PM

getalife will suck anything.

Poor gal.

Joe Bloggs on April 26, 2009 at 10:53 PM

getalife come home. Your circuitry is malfunctioning again. We will fix you.

DasObamaReich on April 26, 2009 at 10:54 PM

TXMomof3 on April 26, 2009 at 10:48 PM

It’s off-putting.

They are indeed ferociously jealous of Sarah Palin.

This is because she is everything they are not.

1) Beautiful — that’s a huge thing with these catty females.
2) Happy family
3) Successful “despite” (as the feminists would say) this happy family
4) Strong

blatantblue on April 26, 2009 at 10:56 PM

Yes, please, lets all feel sorry for Congress Ryan for having to listen to those nasty constituents. Trolls are ridiculous.

Cindy Munford on April 26, 2009 at 10:56 PM

Subsunk on April 26, 2009 at 10:14 PM

Subsunk for Congress!

Blacksmith on April 26, 2009 at 10:57 PM

Teh One makes me long for Clinton on any year.

At least we felt somewhat safe and he wasn’t trying to rewrite the Constitution completely.

Upstater85 on April 26, 2009 at 10:45 PM

In the final analysis, Clinton wanted to be loved by the public and used the left to get to be in a position to be adored by the public.

Obama though is as uninterested in the public’s views of him as he is uninterested in American history and civics.

On an unrelated note, we really should get someone to pull a pop quiz on Obama as the press kept doing to Bush 43 and Palin. Would he know who the 2nd President was? What the fight at Lexington and Concord was about? Who the first American to fall in the Revolutionary War was?

18-1 on April 26, 2009 at 10:58 PM

Upstater85 on April 26, 2009 at 10:27 PM

Let me put it this way, teachers run into problems because sometimes we are confronted with eager and well-intentioned students who just can’t handle the material, for whatever reason. It feels bad (to the teacher) to fail a student. Even though the student deserves to fail. A good teacher gives the student the grade that has been earned and is deserved. A weak teacher gives the student a good grade so the teacher doesn’t feel so bad, empathetically, for the student, who is then moping around in class. In elementary school, this is not terrible, but at the university level, this sort of thing is awful and childish. But many teachers give in to wanting their students to like them, and inflating the grades to do that. It’s a natural inclination. You know … the “cool” prof – kind of like the “cool” pres, I guess.

This is the left and it is a very easy path, perfect for cowards. This is why The Precedent was so very specific about wanting people with EMPATHY for his SCOTUS picks. He doesn’t care about the law, but wants weak, manipulable people to have in the SCOTUS, who can bullied by simple arguments and a few (anecdotal) tears.

progressoverpeace on April 26, 2009 at 10:59 PM

On an unrelated note, we really should get someone to pull a pop quiz on Obama as the press kept doing to Bush 43 and Palin. Would he know who the 2nd President was? What the fight at Lexington and Concord was about? Who the first American to fall in the Revolutionary War was?

18-1 on April 26, 2009 at 10:58 PM

Hey, I just want to know what language they speak in Austria…

I want to know how many states there are…

I want to know how to properly fill out a tax form…

The next question (let’s be easy on him): How do you tie your shoes?

Upstater85 on April 26, 2009 at 11:00 PM

On an unrelated note, we really should get someone to pull a pop quiz on Obama as the press kept doing to Bush 43 and Palin. Would he know who the 2nd President was? What the fight at Lexington and Concord was about? Who the first American to fall in the Revolutionary War was?

18-1 on April 26, 2009 at 10:58 PM

They don’t teach that stuff in school in Indonesia. They sure don’t teach accurate US history in left-leaning colleges. So, to be fair, maybe he just doesn’t have a freaking clue.

TXMomof3 on April 26, 2009 at 11:01 PM

getahusband on April 26, 2009 at 10:50 PM

Hi dear, still waiting for your definition of patriotism.

Del Dolemonte on April 26, 2009 at 11:01 PM

Hi dear, still waiting for your definition of patriotism.

Del Dolemonte on April 26, 2009 at 11:01 PM

Keep on her! On second thought…

Upstater85 on April 26, 2009 at 11:02 PM

How about our conservative politicians adhere to the conservative principle of federalism and let the states decide on the issue of gay marriage? It would be even better if we all got government out of marriage all together because it is a religious issue.

Gay marriage only distracts against more important issues that conservatives need to deal with. One of my biggest peeves with the Republican from 2001-2006 was they did nothing to secure our borders. They wasted their time worrying about things that should be left up to the states.

USofA on April 26, 2009 at 11:03 PM

. You know … the “cool” prof – kind of like the “cool” pres, I guess.

progressoverpeace on April 26, 2009 at 10:59 PM

Except Obama only wants to be the Kewl President to certain people… The Anderson Coopers of the world. That’s what makes Obama more scary than say Clinton. I agree with 18-1 that Clinton wanted the general electorate to like him… Obama and his clan have no problem demanding sacrifices of every day Americans so long as it gives Chris Matthews a tingle.

Upstater85 on April 26, 2009 at 11:04 PM

and in 2012 we will lose again. The demographics of this country are going against us and if we don’t change our message and worry about taxes, spending, and government run everything instead of who sleeps with who we are doomed. Why can’t these conservatives wake up and just smell the coffee. It is great to want the world to look a certain way, but the toothpaste is out of the tube.

Ricki on April 26, 2009 at 10:11 PM

You’re being completely incoherent here. Conservatives aren’t concerned with “who sleeps with who”. What are you talking about. I’m a conservative and I could care less who you sleep with – unless you’re sleeping with a child – are you? If that’s the case – then Conservatives SHOULD be concerned – you’re arguing otherwise?

Or perhaps you’re talking about “Gay Marriage” … that has nothing to do with “who is sleeping with who” … that has everything to do with the mocking marginalization of an institution that civilization is based upon. Marriage – BY DEFINITION – is between a man and a woman. Gays can do something else – they can call it whatever they want but it’s NOT marriage. Why do you think that simply changing the definition of a word will bring us victory at the polls?

HondaV65 on April 26, 2009 at 11:07 PM

getahusband on April 26, 2009 at 10:50 PM

Hi dear, still waiting for your definition of patriotism.

Del Dolemonte on April 26, 2009 at 11:01 PM

In a Republic, who is “the country?” Is it the Government which is for the moment in the saddle? Why, the Government is merely a servant- merely a temporary servant; it cannot be its prerogative to determine what is right and what is wrong, and decide who is a patriot and who isn’t. Its function is to obey orders, not originate them. My kind of loyalty was to one’s country, not to its officeholders. The country is the real thing, the substantial thing, the eternal thing; it is the thing to watch over, and care for, and be loyal to. Officeholders are extraneous, they are its mere clothing, and clothing can wear out, become ragged, cease to be comfortable, cease to protect the body from winter, disease, and death. Patriotism is supporting your country ALL the time, and your government ONLY when it deserves it.
- Mark Twain

MB4 on April 26, 2009 at 11:07 PM

They don’t teach that stuff in school in Indonesia. They sure don’t teach accurate US history in left-leaning colleges. So, to be fair, maybe he just doesn’t have a freaking clue.

TXMomof3 on April 26, 2009 at 11:01 PM

See, this looks more and more to me like it would become a “teachable” moment…no? Something for us HotAireans to keep in mind if we ever run into Obama. Though I suppose the press and government would go after the questioner as hard as they went after Joe the Plumber.

18-1 on April 26, 2009 at 11:08 PM

Asked about how a presidential candidate urging the party toward the middle on cultural issues would fare, Scheffler said flatly: ‘They’re not gonna go anywhere.’”

What I’m sayin’!

pugwriter on April 26, 2009 at 11:08 PM

HondaV65 on April 26, 2009 at 11:07 PM

+1

TXMomof3 on April 26, 2009 at 11:09 PM

I can understand Ryan’s comment about being akin to a psychiatrist but he should be careful not to allow it to become an excuse to refrain from using the power he does have. The power of elected office is measured but when coupled with the power to influence, it’s immeasurable.

That woman said what she did out of frustration, yes, but she also said it to RYAN because he is a man of power. The degree of power he holds is, in large part, determined by him if you’re talking about the power to influence.

He’s not helpless and his comments left me feeling like he sold himself short.

Example: John McCain told a town hall in October of 2008 that they didn’t need to be scared of an Obama presidency. Clearly an opportunity that he flubbed not relative to his ability to act but with his ability to connect and then influence.

Barrack on April 26, 2009 at 11:09 PM

You’re being completely incoherent here. Conservatives aren’t concerned with “who sleeps with who”. What are you talking about. I’m a conservative and I could care less who you sleep with – unless you’re sleeping with a child – are you? If that’s the case – then Conservatives SHOULD be concerned – you’re arguing otherwise?

HondaV65 on April 26, 2009 at 11:07 PM

Honda, I do worry about some of the trolls on HA… I’m afraid they want to sleep with the babies… the baby whales that is…

On a serious note, I laugh whenever the conservative movement is “the movement of worrying about who sleeps with whom in their bedroom.”

Progressives either have or had no problem
1) Keeping the races from “mixing.”

2) Keeping the government very strongly involved in marriage.

3) Calling people inbred.

4) Limiting the number of children people should “ethically” be allowed to have.

5) Prying into the sex lives of teenagers.

6) Encouraging abortions or hysterectomies.

7) Genetic engineering.

and I’m sure I missed a lot more…

Upstater85 on April 26, 2009 at 11:15 PM

Good for Chris Simcox and Pat Toomey. I wish them all the luck in chopping down the RINO tree. Begin with the roots of RINOism and prune the rest of the branches.

Oh, hell. Up root the damn thing and plant what we know works.

Kini on April 26, 2009 at 11:18 PM

Good for Chris Simcox and Pat Toomey. I wish them all the luck in chopping down the RINO tree. Begin with the roots of RINOism and prune the rest of the branches.

Oh, hell. Up root the damn thing and plant what we know works.

Kini on April 26, 2009 at 11:18 PM

In the paraphrased words of MegMac
“[Rinos], move over.”

Bye bye, McCain

Upstater85 on April 26, 2009 at 11:19 PM

The next question (let’s be easy on him): How do you tie your shoes?

Upstater85 on April 26, 2009 at 11:00 PM

How about………..

……… Can you explain what the “Oath of Office” means to you?

Seven Percent Solution on April 26, 2009 at 11:20 PM

Upstater85 on April 26, 2009 at 11:04 PM

That’s true. The Precedent isn’t one of the people who is a leftist because he wants people to like him. The Precedent is from the darker, more sinister, part of the left. He is a leftist because he wants revenge on society and the West. He is, without any doubt, the most dangerous person who has ever been in the White House (not to mention the only one who is not even eligible to be there).

progressoverpeace on April 26, 2009 at 11:20 PM

……… Can you explain what the “Oath of Office” means to you?

Seven Percent Solution on April 26, 2009 at 11:20 PM

Obama: Well, uh, Anderson, let me tell you. When I uh was a child and my mother was whoring around, I always told myself, “Barry, uh, you are going to change the world.” That’s what I believe my whole movement is about. Change. Uh, you do need some, er, hope; but change goes a long way.

Cooper: And I’m sure you’d agree with me that Change with Hope is what the Oath of Office really needs…

Upstater85 on April 26, 2009 at 11:24 PM

progressoverpeace on April 26, 2009 at 10:59 PM

Obama did say he was more interested in justices that were more concerned with defendant/plaintiff feelings than following the law. That’s how legislating from the bench begins and should never be allowed.

Kini on April 26, 2009 at 11:29 PM

Upstater85 on April 26, 2009 at 11:19 PM

I think we should come up with a new saying for RINO’s.
Megamacs

Kini on April 26, 2009 at 11:31 PM

Oh, hell. Up root the damn thing and plant what we know works.

Kini on April 26, 2009 at 11:18 PM

Send me to the front line, Captain!

Saltysam on April 26, 2009 at 11:31 PM

Can anyone tell me who is “walking the dog?” Looks like Gibbs.

Upstater85 on April 26, 2009 at 11:31 PM

Definitely Gibbs.

califcon on April 26, 2009 at 11:32 PM

I think we should come up with a new saying for RINO’s.
Megamacs

Kini on April 26, 2009 at 11:31 PM

Get the Megamac and a side drink for only $3.00!!!

I like it. I’m sticking with it…

So is AP a Megamac?

What is the RINO economic policy? Perhaps not Free Markets, but Megamonomics sounds kewl.

Upstater85 on April 26, 2009 at 11:33 PM

We tried a moderate presidential candidate in 2008 and lost.

McCain did not lose the election primarily because of his position on the issues. He lost because he just wasn’t appealing compared to Black Jesus. His age, temperment, poor speechmaking, etc. doomed him. He would have been better accustomed to campaigning in 1908.

Speedwagon82 on April 26, 2009 at 11:33 PM

As Cyril Connolly said, “It is closing time in the gardens of the West.” and some of us, alas, have elected the gatekeeper who is filled with loathing of the West and revenge through destruction,

Dhuka on April 26, 2009 at 11:34 PM

Definitely Gibbs.

califcon on April 26, 2009 at 11:32 PM

This image will help me be able to continue watching the WH “Uh” briefings.

Upstater85 on April 26, 2009 at 11:34 PM

McCain did not lose the election primarily because of his position on the issues. He lost because he just wasn’t appealing compared to Black Jesus. His age, temperment, poor speechmaking, etc. doomed him. He would have been better accustomed to campaigning in 1908.

Speedwagon82 on April 26, 2009 at 11:33 PM

Perhaps, but why were ardent conservatives struggling between Bob Barr, write ins, and McCain?

Upstater85 on April 26, 2009 at 11:35 PM

Kini on April 26, 2009 at 11:29 PM

Exactly. That one quote should have been enough to know that held the Constitution is very low regard and was not fit for any office in the government by that document.

We need somebody who’s got the heart, the empathy, to recognize what it’s like to be a young teenage mom. The empathy to understand what it’s like to be poor, or African-American, or gay, or disabled, or old. And that’s the criteria by which I’m going to be selecting my judges.

– The Precedent

Boy, that Harvard Law place really knows how to teach ‘em.

progressoverpeace on April 26, 2009 at 11:35 PM

A lot of you say we need to get rid of Frum, Parker, Noonan Brooks but I don’t know any conservatives who ever listened to them. It’s always been Rush, Elder, Hannity, Prager, Medved, Hewitt, Inghram. How did I miss the rise to prominence of the first group? Did they rise to prominence or did the Left foist them on us? Am I just clueless living in CA?

CCRWM on April 26, 2009 at 11:36 PM

Boy, that Harvard Law place really knows how to teach ‘em.

progressoverpeace on April 26, 2009 at 11:35 PM

Yeah, I heard O was walking around wearing Hot Pants with a pillow stuffed in his spaghetti strap tank top… you know, to relate to teenage moms…

Upstater85 on April 26, 2009 at 11:37 PM

Upstater85 on April 26, 2009 at 11:37 PM

ROFLMAO.

progressoverpeace on April 26, 2009 at 11:38 PM

A lot of you say we need to get rid of Frum, Parker, Noonan Brooks but I don’t know any conservatives who ever listened to them. It’s always been Rush, Elder, Hannity, Prager, Medved, Hewitt, Inghram. How did I miss the rise to prominence of the first group? Did they rise to prominence or did the Left foist them on us? Am I just clueless living in CA?

CCRWM on April 26, 2009 at 11:36 PM

Unfortunately, without Buckley, much of say National Review has gotten watered down… As much as some of you might hate to admit it, the Parkers and Frums of this world came to “power” through Bush. The happy, feel good pseudo-conservatism that strove to save every single child from the evils of, er, the world…

Upstater85 on April 26, 2009 at 11:39 PM

ROFLMAO.

progressoverpeace on April 26, 2009 at 11:38 PM

Yes, it’s an image I would pay to see.

Upstater85 on April 26, 2009 at 11:40 PM

“It’s like you’re their psychiatrist but you don’t charge them. They just want to get this stuff off their chest to you so they can vent. So just let them do it,”

Ryan ought to be careful with this tact. It boarders on being dismissive to down-right elitist. This is how the GOP failed in the first place. By just listening and not doing anything to represent our voice.

Kini on April 26, 2009 at 11:40 PM

Perhaps, but why were ardent conservatives struggling between Bob Barr, write ins, and McCain?

Upstater85 on April 26, 2009 at 11:35 PM

The Southern social cons were rooting for Huck and demonizing Romney. The Western and Northern libertarianish Republicans thought Huck was a nanny government Jesus freak and wanted Romney. McCain was just the least offensive choice in the end.

Speedwagon82 on April 26, 2009 at 11:41 PM

progressoverpeace on April 26, 2009 at 11:35 PM

It’s enough to make me wonder if he studied Constitutional law for the express purpose of shredding it once he was in a position to do so.

califcon on April 26, 2009 at 11:41 PM

By just listening and not doing anything to represent our voice.

Kini on April 26, 2009 at 11:40 PM

Exactly. If he doesn’t actually do anything, then he has major problems coming from us. If he acts, I don’t care what he refers to it as (OK, maybe I do).

Upstater85 on April 26, 2009 at 11:41 PM

So is AP a Megamac?

Upstater85 on April 26, 2009 at 11:33 PM

I think he has a thing for Blonds.

Kini on April 26, 2009 at 11:43 PM

The Southern social cons were rooting for Huck and demonizing Romney. The Western and Northern libertarianish Republicans thought Huck was a nanny government Jesus freak and wanted Romney. McCain was just the least offensive choice in the end.

Speedwagon82 on April 26, 2009 at 11:41 PM

In the end, both groups could have been right.

Whether they were or not, there must be a candidate that Southern SoCons and Norther LibCons can feel comfortable with… And that candidate is not Mac.

Upstater85 on April 26, 2009 at 11:43 PM

I think he has a thing for Blonds.

Kini on April 26, 2009 at 11:43 PM

Anna Nicole Smith blonds …

Upstater85 on April 26, 2009 at 11:44 PM

Norther = Northern

Upstater85 on April 26, 2009 at 11:45 PM

The key to some of this foolishness is closed primaries.

The next would be to not listen to anything the loons in the media are saying. And that would include any polls as to who would be a good match up against Mr. Floofy Pants.

And lastly, keep venting to ALL our Congressional members, state and local officials and get the heck involved in stopping the demise of this nation. Talk to your family and neighbors. Get your Church involved if you want. But whatever we do it must be with the thought of saving all Americans from certain destruction via Fascism.

freeus on April 26, 2009 at 11:46 PM

Why haven’t they been doing that? It’s hard to avoid the conclusion that it’s because they’re social-climbing, fingers-in-the-wind, bed-feathering and -wetting opportunists.

CK MacLeod on April 26, 2009 at 9:48 PM

Did it ever occur to any of us that these people might just be frauds, imposters, Democrat Lites? I want to vote the whole lot out but who is going to run ? I’ll vote for a challenger as long as it’s a real challenger not the same in different clothes… especially anyone who voted for TARP and the Stimulus…gonna be tough…

CCRWM on April 26, 2009 at 11:47 PM

Ryan ought to be careful with this tact. It boarders on being dismissive to down-right elitist. This is how the GOP failed in the first place. By just listening and not doing anything to represent our voice.

Kini on April 26, 2009 at 11:40 PM

Didn’t he vote for TARP or the budget or something?

As much as some of you might hate to admit it, the Parkers and Frums of this world came to “power” through Bush. The happy, feel good pseudo-conservatism that strove to save every single child from the evils of, er, the world…

Upstater85 on April 26, 2009 at 11:39 PM

Didn’t the “elites” hate Bush too?

CCRWM on April 26, 2009 at 11:50 PM

Poor guy.

Having to listen to a bunch of unhinged cons has to suck.

getalife on April 26, 2009 at 10:50 PM

Could be worse, like having to listen to you, for instance.

venividivici on April 26, 2009 at 11:54 PM

CCRWM on April 26, 2009 at 11:50 PM

Nine Democrats voted NOT to relesee the funds: Bayh (IN), Cantwell (WA), Dorgan (ND), Feingold (WI), Lincoln (AR), Ben Nelson (NE), Shaheen (NH), Sanders (VT), Wyden (OR).

Six Republicans voted to release the money: Alexander (TN), Gregg (NH), Kyl (AZ), Lugar (IN), Snowe (ME), Voinovich (OH).

I’m searching for more info on Ryan’s voting habits

Kini on April 26, 2009 at 11:56 PM

Didn’t the “elites” hate Bush too?

CCRWM on April 26, 2009 at 11:50 PM

Depends on your definition of “elites.”

Frum was a Bushy (he worked for him).

I’ve never really heard Parker talk down Bush policies. In fact, she is one of the “feel good” conservatives. Probably 100% behind NCLB.

One could argue Cheney was an “elitist.” How many people have the background that Cheney had? How many times have you heard Cheney talk about empowering the individual and limiting the size of government?

These aren’t necessarily knocks on any of the above (well, maybe to Frum and Parker), but we should realize many elitists had no problem with Bush…

Upstater85 on April 26, 2009 at 11:57 PM

Buck up, young camper. I’m sure if you are TIRED of hearing constiuents that are upset with the current direction that obama and company are taking this country, the good people of Wisconsin would be happy to give you a challenger that will be more than happy to listen to his constiuents and vote conservative. YOU NEED TO LISTEN, RYAN AND ACT ACCORDINGLY, RYAN!

HornetSting on April 27, 2009 at 12:13 AM

geatlife

You ever gonna get around to espousing the parts of the Obama agenda you support and the parts of the Conservative agenda you oppose?

I’m annoyed with your inane, pointless comments and your constant running from my questions. Defend your Liberalism or get the Hell out of here.

“Unhinged cons”? Have you never been to a demonstration of Liberals? And yes we’re mad as Hell at a bunch of power hungry socialists that seem to think the Treasury is bottomless and they can spend without consequence forever. How any rational, reasoned mind can support this is absolutely mind boggling.

DerKrieger on April 27, 2009 at 12:24 AM

Did it ever occur to any of us that these people might just be frauds, imposters, Democrat Lites? I want to vote the whole lot out but who is going to run ? I’ll vote for a challenger as long as it’s a real challenger not the same in different clothes… especially anyone who voted for TARP and the Stimulus…gonna be tough…

CCRWM on April 26, 2009 at 11:47 PM

Step up to the plate. If not you, then who? If not now, then when?

doriangrey on April 27, 2009 at 12:24 AM

Upstater85 on April 26, 2009

Good evening/morning.

There is a lot of concern expressed about Rep. Paul Ryan in this thread. I don’t quite get exactly what is wrong with him. I’ve read the linked article and its linked article, and Ryan seems like one of “ours.” I disagree with him on a few things, but on most things, he seems very good.

You seem to be a smart young man. Can you explain the concerns about Ryan?

Also, could you explain the phenomenon of eating one’s own? Conservatives seem to do that a lot. If this keeps up, will there be any of of our own left?

Loxodonta on April 27, 2009 at 12:24 AM

Also, could you explain the phenomenon of eating one’s own? Conservatives seem to do that a lot. If this keeps up, will there be any of of our own left?

Loxodonta on April 27, 2009 at 12:24 AM

There aren’t any of our own now. All politicians are corrupt. The whole point of the T.E.A parties was it’s time for us to step up to the plate and regain our country. It’s time to toss out the professional politicians they are all corrupt. It’s time to get involved. If you dont do it, it wont get done.

doriangrey on April 27, 2009 at 12:30 AM

Loxodonta on April 27, 2009 at 12:24 AM

It was Ryan’s comments that have people up in arms. Ex. he said, “They just want to get this stuff off their chest to you so they can vent.”

We don’t want to vent, we want to be heard by a REPRESENTATIVE of the people who will then go to work to DO something about it.

If calling for RINO’s and lifer GOPers who cross the aisle and compromise principle then yes we will eat them. IMO part of the GOP’s problems are the so-called ‘moderates’ who continue to undermine the conservative agenda so they can be praised by the MSM.

Conservatives will NEVER be liked by the pop-culture driven MSM so they should stop trying. Having principles and sticking to them is hard. It’s easier to sell out and be liked than to be principled and pilloried.

Just ask Miss CA.

DerKrieger on April 27, 2009 at 12:30 AM

Good evening/morning.

There is a lot of concern expressed about Rep. Paul Ryan in this thread. I don’t quite get exactly what is wrong with him. I’ve read the linked article and its linked article, and Ryan seems like one of “ours.” I disagree with him on a few things, but on most things, he seems very good.

You seem to be a smart young man. Can you explain the concerns about Ryan?

Also, could you explain the phenomenon of eating one’s own? Conservatives seem to do that a lot. If this keeps up, will there be any of of our own left?

Loxodonta on April 27, 2009 at 12:24 AM

Good evening/morning to you.

Well, I myself said that I didn’t find Ryan’s remarks that bad. Some of us (Kini I think) were saying that we don’t really care so much about perhaps his poor choice of words, but that we would expect him to represent his concerned constituents. If he didn’t, that would be unacceptable.

As far as “eating one’s own.” Good question. I think one problem is that the Conservative movement is a large one and currently, there doesn’t seem to be a very solid definition of what conservatism is.

Remember, the GOP used to be the party that stayed away from nation building (but did believe in a strong national defense)… 9/11 changed things. Some such as Frum would probably argue that nation building is necessary. Others like Paul (I’m going to get in trouble for even bringing him up) would like to move back to the Old School Republican party. Others such as Gingrich have correctly pointed out the dangers of nation building, but have not said it isn’t needed. They have simply pointed out that it is hard for Americans to stand behind nation building.

Now, this is ONE issue. ONE! So, it would seem that we have a fluid definition of what it means to be a “true conservative.”

Every faction is going to claim to be the true conservative faction – just look at the past GOP primaries. I think that as long as all conservative leaning thinkers take Reagan’s 11th commandment to heart and fight for conservatism, in the end there will actually be less infighting (although there may be some along the way).

This isn’t to say conservatives should welcome every Meghan McCain with open arms – you have to have some street cred.

Upstater85 on April 27, 2009 at 12:35 AM

Maybe, and this is just a hare-brained idea, but maybe Ryan would be do well to ACT upon the stuff his constituents are saying, instead of just listening.

We’re conservatives. The GOP isn’t supposed to be the “feel good” party. We’re supposed to be the “do good” party. Leave the pyschotherapy to the Democrats. “Listening session”? Give me a break.

Ryan should try to spend his time reading pending legislation. Your home state voters don’t need your pity, they need your attention focused on doing what is right, and READING STUFF YOU VOTE ON.

hawksruleva on April 27, 2009 at 12:41 AM

doriangrey on April 27, 2009 at 12:30 AM

All politicians are corrupt.

It’s tough to have an elective government without them, so what is one to do?

Loxodonta on April 27, 2009 at 12:45 AM

There is a lot of concern expressed about Rep. Paul Ryan in this thread. I don’t quite get exactly what is wrong with him. I’ve read the linked article and its linked article, and Ryan seems like one of “ours.” I disagree with him on a few things, but on most things, he seems very good.

Loxodonta on April 27, 2009 at 12:24 AM

At least for me, the concern with Ryan is that he’s proving tto be more of the same. His vote to tax AIG executives at 9% betrayed some fundamental conservative principles. And his lame excuse (I didn’t have time to read it) made it even worse. Ryan seems like a smart guy, and a lot of people had high hopes that he was part of a new breed of GOP folks who would stick to their guns. But he and Eric Cantor have both proven to be typical poll-driven politicians. What they don’t get is that people will vote for you if you do the right thing, even if it involves making tough choices.

hawksruleva on April 27, 2009 at 12:47 AM

Lox, I have to get going, but good luck…

And keep an eye out for getalife… She’s been feisty today ;) – no, getty, that’s not a compliment.

Upstater85 on April 27, 2009 at 12:48 AM

DerKrieger on April 27, 2009 at 12:30 AM

It was Ryan’s comments that have people up in arms. Ex. he said, “They just want to get this stuff off their chest to you so they can vent.”

I can understand your concern about this statement, but Mr. Ryan does seem to listen to his constituents, from what I read.

I get angry sometimes. But I calm down and often regret what I have spoken in anger.

Isn’t it better to plan government policy when we aren’t yelling at one another?

Loxodonta on April 27, 2009 at 12:52 AM

Upstater85 on April 27, 2009 at 12:48 AM

Lox, I have to get going, but good luck…

Thanks. I’m still digesting your response.

Loxodonta on April 27, 2009 at 12:56 AM

hawksruleva on April 27, 2009 at 12:41 AM

Although, it doesn’t seem like Ryan thinks of himself as psychiatrists per se, but rather that he treats constituent complaints as nothing more than venting and thus something which doesn’t need to be heeded.

I understand where his constituents are coming from. Your government is doing something you don’t support and you feel powerless. However, I also understand why Ryan would feel this way. His constituents are very vehement and aren’t giving voice to specific legislative concerns. To say “Obama is trying to destroy private enterprise” is fine and good, but unless the one says “Oppose all Obama spending” or “What can be done to fight Obama doing this or that?”, it doesn’t help the representative.

darii on April 27, 2009 at 12:56 AM

Loxodonta on April 27, 2009 at 12:52 AM

Perhaps recent events serve to prove that our Federal government has grown too large for 535 people to manage it. If they don’t have time to read bills before signing them they have taken on too much. There couldn’t be a more compelling argument for federalism.

I don’t know enough about Mr. Ryan to say whether or not he listens to his constituents.

People are yelling because our representatives refuse to listen to us. Ryan may listen but that would put him in the minority. I think too many pols suffer from the desire to be liked and the group they seek affirmation from are the MSM and pop culture. As soon as you seek praise from them you sacrifice principle. It’s maddening.

DerKrieger on April 27, 2009 at 12:58 AM

Loxodonta on April 27, 2009 at 12:24 AM

Ryan’s comment is strikingly similar to McCain’s dismissive approach to any criticism of Obama during his campaign.

“It’s like you’re their psychiatrist but you don’t charge them. They just want to get this stuff off their chest to you so they can vent. So just let them do it,”

What I said was,

Ryan ought to be careful with this tact. It boarders on being dismissive to down-right elitist. This is how the GOP failed in the first place. By just listening and not doing anything to represent our voice.

My concern is if Ryan is just listening to constituents venting. then what is he doing about it. Is he offering any ideas?

As far as eating their own: we have too many so called moderates that want to redefine conservatism by dropping our core values and allowing a platform for planned parenthood, abortion rights, illegal immigration amnesty, and same sex marriage.

Least among limited government, tax relief, and less regulation.

Kini on April 27, 2009 at 12:59 AM

DerKrieger on April 27, 2009 at 12:30 AM

Conservatives will NEVER be liked by the pop-culture driven MSM so they should stop trying. Having principles and sticking to them is hard. It’s easier to sell out and be liked than to be principled and pilloried.

Just ask Miss CA.

I agree very much on this. The only point I would add, as Carrie Prejean attempted to express her views in a manner that was as acceptable as possible to what she knew was a hostile audience, sometimes restraint and tact are helpful.

In her case, it was most helpful to compare her graciousness to the vulgar response from the left.

Loxodonta on April 27, 2009 at 12:59 AM

Michael Steele just doesn’t get it. He is working overtime to raise funds for the GOP, from the usual suspects, too. and he is toying with twitter, and other new stylish technologies.

If funding raising is the prime concern, then we are already shooting ourselves in the foot…hell, both feet.

And what good is twittering and new technologies when the basic message cannot be found nor understood?

Great ideas are their own fund raisers.

Great ideas do they own messaging.

The GOP isstill trying to find the best politicians money can buy.

I do not want a bought politician.

I want an honest one.

I want a representative who is authentic to those basic conservative principles, and a federalist to boot.

I want a President who is a servant of the people, not a master of the people, nor a talk show host or entertainer.

I want a party that does not shut membership out at the front door for whatever reason placates the most members, but a Party that has found, identified, enunciated, its principles in a platform that reflects Conservatism.

Realizing that you can’t please all the people all of the time, it gets a lot easier when they can see a Party that is principled, and lives by those principles.

If these principles are as good, and decent, and reflect what the Founders believed, it will be far easier to grow the Party, or establish a Party, that the people can see, understand, and know full well, that what they see will indeed be what they will get.

If it is good, those who aspire to those same principles will fund the movement, and get the message out.

But this pandering to every voice raised, pandering to separate groups, pandering to whatever cause or concern is in the headlines today…what does that do? What purpose does that serve?

What good does it do to win elections and then turn around and do business as usual all over again?

When the Party leadership hasn’t the stones to lead the Party, when the Party leadership stands off to one side while the Party engages in petty personality fights…he’s smarter, she’s prettier, he’s a hawk on defense, but is a liberal on social issues, he is tied to business, she is a feminist, and that sort of tripe, don’t you think that as intelligent people, we can make a case for principles first…then draw our candidate from that stock that understands those principles, has a track record of adherence to those principles and does not pander to anyone, letting those principles speak for themselves?

In the meantime, we will eat our own…as we argue over personalities, and who can win first and then try to fashion some sort of pseudo-conservative framework built around a front runner and not principle.

coldwarrior on April 27, 2009 at 1:00 AM

Perhaps recent events serve to prove that our Federal government has grown too large for 535 people to manage it. If they don’t have time to read bills before signing them they have taken on too much. There couldn’t be a more compelling argument for federalism.

DerKrieger on April 27, 2009 at 12:58 AM

Excellent point. Especially when so many of the infuriating things being done by the White House executed through the various Departments, in which it feels like we have little say beyond presidential elections and confirmation hearings.

darii on April 27, 2009 at 1:01 AM

coldwarrior on April 27, 2009 at 1:00 AM

Good post.

I honestly believe a properly communicated conservative agenda would sell itself. Basically we just want to be left alone to pursue our own lives on our own terms. Why that wouldn’t appeal to non-activist Liberals (socialist parasites really) I can’t understand.

DerKrieger on April 27, 2009 at 1:04 AM

darii on April 27, 2009 at 1:01 AM

Yep, the recent threat by the Dems to have EPA regulate CO2 if they couldn’t get support for their cap and tax bill is a good example. We can get mad at the EPA but WTF can we do about it?

DerKrieger on April 27, 2009 at 1:06 AM

DerKrieger on April 27, 2009 at 12:58 AM

The obvious answer is smaller government.

Let the states govern those tasks that rightfully belong to the States. Let the federal government tend to those issues that are the realm of federal government.

Have you rad the Congressional record over the past few years? Have you read the Congressional record from decades ago? The contrast between the two eras will floor you.

Herein lies the problem…too much federal government involved in too many things the federal government has no business being involved in.

coldwarrior on April 27, 2009 at 1:06 AM

Kini

on April 27, 2009 at 12:59 AM

I understand your concern about his statement.

My concern is if we are going to build a winning majority, we will not all be able to agree on every issue 100%, and will not like every vote of every Republican in Congress.

So, why focus so much on what might be wrong with Ryan? Why not look for areas of agreement, instead of areas of potential disagreement?

Do you remember Reagan’s 11th Commandment?

Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican.

We are going to win if we are constantly bickering.

That said, I agree with Upstater85 about Meghan McCain.

Loxodonta on April 27, 2009 at 1:07 AM

coldwarrior on April 27, 2009 at 1:06 AM

Absolutely – we need a return to federalism.

DerKrieger on April 27, 2009 at 1:08 AM

‘It’s like you’re their psychiatrist but you don’t charge them. They just want to get this stuff off their chest to you so they can vent. So just let them do it,’ Ryan explained later, paraphrasing the advice his wife, Janna, once gave him about handling what Ryan called ‘comments in frustration.’”

Quite amusing as even though he says that his wife gave him that advise I am quite sure that she would not want it, with all it’s embodied condescension, used by him on her.

Tav on April 27, 2009 at 1:10 AM

Loxodonta on April 27, 2009 at 1:07 AM

I think a winning argument is one that leads with a return to federalism and the promise that each state can live as it sees fit rather then the federal government trying to create a one size fits all leviathan. Stop trying to create a Federal except on broad principles and advocate a return to localism. If CA or MA for example want to tax the Hell out of themselves for a state health care program I say go for it. But don’t impose it on the entire nation. The Founders intended the states to be laboratories of democracy. People were free to flee bad states and move to good states. In a federal system, we’re trapped.

I think the message needs to be 1. federalism and 2. we, the government, don’t want to do anything for you that you can do for yourself and we don’t even want to try.

DerKrieger on April 27, 2009 at 1:13 AM

coldwarrior on April 27, 2009 at 1:00 AM

And it doesn’t have to be in 125 letters or less.

The GOP leadership, are you listening Steele, needs to take to task membership that votes out of step with the leadership.
I’m referring to Snowe, Collins, and Specter that snubbed their constituents and the party to vote for that monstrosity of a spending bill.

Kini on April 27, 2009 at 1:14 AM

coldwarrior on April 27, 2009 at 1:00 AM

I agree with what you want. But we might disagree on some things. I’m not sure.

I don’t think every Republican is corrupt, but I want to root out corruption, including Republicans

I want candidates to stand for what they believe. And I’m willing to vote for conservative candidates with whom I disagree about somethings.

How do we avoid internecine warfare among economic, security, and cultural conservatives?

Loxodonta on April 27, 2009 at 1:14 AM

DerKrieger on April 27, 2009 at 1:13 AM

Yes. The federal government was far too large last year, and Obama’s plans will make it even worse.

Loxodonta on April 27, 2009 at 1:19 AM

The political class — of all stripes — continue to console themselves with the notion that the dumb masses will return to docile obedience soon enough.

I think this time they are wrong.

cruadin on April 26, 2009 at 10:15 PM

I tend to agree with you.

Alana on April 27, 2009 at 1:20 AM

Pragmatist?

Upstater85 on April 26, 2009 at 10:34 PM

The man who wanted to bring democracy to the Islamic world and wipe terrorism off the face of the Earth… a pragmatist?

Please.

JohnGalt23 on April 27, 2009 at 1:25 AM

It’s tough to have an elective government without them, so what is one to do?

Loxodonta on April 27, 2009 at 12:45 AM

We need to clean house, start over with term limits. Reject the notion that the country has to have career politicians. Go back to people of varied backgrounds and give them 12 years max to serve their country in Congress. Maybe then we could get a Congress serving the people instead of vice-versa. To make this happen will take a lot more angry people than we have now, but if it doesn’t happen we will be stuck with the same corrupt system forever.

Christian Conservative on April 27, 2009 at 1:25 AM

How do we avoid internecine warfare among economic, security, and cultural conservatives?

Loxodonta on April 27, 2009 at 1:14 AM

By simply publishing a basic set conservative principles, and making sure our Representatives, Senators, and candidates for President, governors, state legislators, local and county leaders, adhere to those.

Those economic, security, and social conservatives can no longer paly both sides of the street.

And the basics are simple enough that one can be strong on defense, be aware of cultural differences, and dare I say, compassionate on social issues…but when the rubber meets the road, those basic principles have all those issues covered.

If it is indeed the Constitutional purview of the Federal government, then we, as conservatives can easily support such, so long as it is Constitutionally based.

If issues rightfully belong to the States…then those state governors and members of state legislatures can deal with those issues following the same set of Conservative principles.

it is when we start to drift…gee, the federal government has no business doing this, but just look at those poor unwashed masses, guess we better slap something together so we can feel good, look good, and garner more votes…that is when we get into that internecine warfare…and we need not follow that path.

That path is what has gotten us to where we are today, a fractured party facing a further fractioning, while the party in power merely has to offer promises and gifts.

Why? Because for too long we have tried to be like them…only just a little bit different on, say, defense, or maybe on abortion, or maybe taxes.

coldwarrior on April 27, 2009 at 1:28 AM

So, why focus so much on what might be wrong with Ryan? Why not look for areas of agreement, instead of areas of potential disagreement?

Do you remember Reagan’s 11th Commandment?

Loxodonta on April 27, 2009 at 1:07 AM

I didn’t say there wasn’t anything wrong with Ryan. I was pointing out that there are too many in the party that just providing lip and ear service. For example, we have some that are for amnesty for illegal aliens. The list goes on, but I’m sure you get my drift. While 100% agreement is unlikely, at least stay within the bounds of the party’s principals is all I am asking for.

Color me suspicious when a congressperson just listens and does not act in favor of their constituents.

Remember this?

Kini on April 27, 2009 at 1:29 AM

Quite amusing as even though he says that his wife gave him that advise I am quite sure that she would not want it, with all it’s embodied condescension, used by him on her.

Tav on April 27, 2009 at 1:10 AM

Yeah, it definitely came out wrong. But I can understand how Ryan feels. I intern at a state legislator’s office and have to handle constituents calling to complain. It can be trying to deal with all that anger. Now, that’s not to say a legislator shouldn’t listen, but given the type of calls we get, it’s not surprising such that’s his or his wife’s attitude.

darii on April 27, 2009 at 1:34 AM

Why? Because for too long we have tried to be like them…only just a little bit different on, say, defense, or maybe on abortion, or maybe taxes.

coldwarrior on April 27, 2009 at 1:28 AM

I would also include self gratifying interests to line their pockets.

By simply publishing a basic set conservative principles, and making sure our Representatives, Senators, and candidates for President, governors, state legislators, local and county leaders, adhere to those.

Sorta like the Contract with America.

Kini on April 27, 2009 at 1:43 AM

When the Party leadership hasn’t the stones to lead the Party, when the Party leadership stands off to one side while the Party engages in petty personality fights…he’s smarter, she’s prettier, he’s a hawk on defense, but is a liberal on social issues, he is tied to business, she is a feminist, and that sort of tripe, don’t you think that as intelligent people, we can make a case for principles first…then draw our candidate from that stock that understands those principles, has a track record of adherence to those principles and does not pander to anyone, letting those principles speak for themselves?

In the meantime, we will eat our own…as we argue over personalities, and who can win first and then try to fashion some sort of pseudo-conservative framework built around a front runner and not principle.

coldwarrior on April 27, 2009 at 1:00 AM

Excellent post, coldwarrior! I believe a banner representing individual liberty, opportunity, and the mistrust of government corruption has been left lying on the battlefield, waiting for a leader to pick it up. We can do our best to make sure the strength of numbers behind that banner, and the enormous responsibility inherent in taking possession of it, are clear to all who would consider the leadership position.

What we face now is the culmination of a system that has been feeding itself, growing larger and more corrupt, for almost seventy years now. The system has grown under both Democrats and Republicans, with even the great Reagan unable to do more than slow its growth somewhat. When, over the last three generations, has the government ever been asked to do with less money, or seen its power scaled back in a significant way? Even when a conservative-leaning President cuts taxes, the government machine just reaches into the future for sustenance with deficit spending. Conservatives have few absolute and total victories to point to, on the domestic front. Even the most heroic struggles have been delaying actions, pushing the collectivists back for a few years, as anyone watching the ravenous corpse of HillaryCare claw its way out of the grave can attest.

The movement of politics has been inexorably leftward for decades, animated by government functionaries and imperial Congressmen whose careers extend far beyond those of presidents. Even the crusading Republicans of 1994, ascending to power opposite a weak and confused Bill Clinton – a president forced to run to the microphones of an adoring media and loudly insist he was still relevant – quickly discovered the collectivist system is quite capable of defending itself without strong Democrat Party leadership. Cut away one part of the leviathan, and it showers the entire population with its blood.

The task ahead of us is nothing less than the dismantling of this system, because it has swelled to such titanic size under Obama’s few months of leadership that marginal changes and small adjustments will never be sufficient to rescue America from it. The next Republican President or Congress will not be able to restore the free-market economy by shaving a few billion off Obama’s bloated budgets, or fighting for a minor percentage increase in the huge taxes coming over the horizon. Reform cannot consist of mildly objecting to a few of the most corrupt Democrats, or timidly returning a small measure of freedom to the industries which have been nationalized.

I honestly believe a properly communicated conservative agenda would sell itself. Basically we just want to be left alone to pursue our own lives on our own terms. Why that wouldn’t appeal to non-activist Liberals (socialist parasites really) I can’t understand.

DerKrieger on April 27, 2009 at 1:04 AM

I must disagree that the conservative agenda will sell itself, although it’s certainly true that a good agenda must be solidified before the sales pitch begins. We are far past the point where the simple, commonsense principle you stated – being left alone to pursue life on its own terms – would appeal to a large enough bloc of voters, to defeat the votes of the dependency class. I would point to the political success of the Democrats as evidence that salesmanship matters – their ideology is ridiculous on its face, asking people to support a party that exists to seize their wealth and spend it more wisely than they can spend it themselves, with experience such as Fannie Mae and Amtrak on their resume. They sell it with a moral argument that says measurable success or failure is irrelevant – socialism, fascism, and the other Big Ideas of the Left must be implemented because it is immoral to oppose them. Objections are dismissed as greed, racism, and religious fundamentalism.

Liberals control so much of the apparatus of political salesmanship – including the media, pop culture, and education -
that conservatives find themselves in the strange position of defending the “failure” of policies that have never been tried. Even blindingly obvious instances of the spectacular failure of liberal philosophy, such as the subprime crisis, are magically transformed into indictments of economic freedom. The totalitarian tactics of liberalism boil down to pushing their opponents into apologizing for even suggesting there are alternatives to collectivism. McCain’s entire presidential campaign, with the exception of the Palin phenomenon, was presented as a long apology to Barack Obama for inconveniencing him on his way to the White House. McCain obviously didn’t think he had to “sell” conservative ideals (to the extent he supported them.) He thought they were so common-sense they would sell themselves, and he spent the final weeks after Joe The Plumber looking baffled that this wasn’t happening.

Aggressive salesmanship is called for from conservatives. They face an uphill battle, and time is of the essence. A good start would be rallying America against the Democrats’ plans to force socialized medicine down their throats in October. It’s true that Republicans don’t have the raw voting power to stop this… but they *could* display the leadership to motivate the public to stop it. If the Republicans convince enough of the electorate to let the Democrats know that proceeding with their plans is political suicide, they can be frightened out of the socialized medicine death spiral. Republican leaders could then stand atop the re-sealed crypt of HillaryCare and begin explaining to the voters why all the rest of the Democrats’ agenda is equally flawed, and present the case for liberty and opportunity in language that makes it impossible for the Democrats to dismiss it out of hand.

Doctor Zero on April 27, 2009 at 1:43 AM

coldwarrior on April 27, 2009 at 1:28 AM

The other day, I came up with the following for a conservative agenda:

Win the War on Terror
End Political Corruption
Reduce Government Spending
Reduce the National Debt
Lower Taxes

Every other issue seemed to draw argument.

Loxodonta on April 27, 2009 at 1:59 AM

A good start would be rallying America against the Democrats’ plans to force socialized medicine down their throats in October.

Doctor Zero on April 27, 2009 at 1:43 AM

Think about making that the message for the next Tea Party on July 4th, 2009

Also, how would you explain the Palin phenomenon?

Kini on April 27, 2009 at 2:03 AM

Kini on April 27, 2009 at 1:43 AM

The only city in the country that is not in recession is Washington DC. Few people are getting rich in this economy, but members of Congress are raking in money, and most of the picket lining is being done legally.

We do need another Contract with America. Maybe we can start building one here. I’ve put down my suggestions.

Loxodonta on April 27, 2009 at 2:04 AM

Doctor Zero on April 27, 2009 at 1:43 AM

Yikes! Long post.

But a very very very good one.

I agree with you that we need radical, permanent dismantling of the bloat in the federal government. The problem which we face is at least twofold in this respect.

1) Can we elect politicians willing not only to promise to drastically cut the size of government but who will actually have the stones to do so? We need someone who will be willing to ignore popular opinion and drastically reduce or even eliminate large parts of the federal government.

2) How can any major changes be made permanent? Through law. Can we elect a congress that stands with our small government president and will pass a drastically reduced budget, will agree to phase out various departments?

My god, I think I just felt a little tingle for Ron Paul. Yikes indeed.

darii on April 27, 2009 at 2:06 AM

Loxodonta on April 27, 2009 at 2:04 AM

Your ideas are very valid.

However, I think Dr. Zero has zeroed onto something that’s been missing. A divide and conquer strategy.

We have a tsunami of socialistic ideas heading our way. If enough Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt (FUD) is injected into HillaryCare, then perhaps the whole Obama Parthenon of cards will finally fall.

Kini on April 27, 2009 at 2:16 AM

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