Liz Cheney vs. Norah O’Donnell: “The tactics are not torture”
posted at 2:45 pm on April 26, 2009 by Allahpundit
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A few days old but we’ve had a steady stream of requests for it. Hotline has the transcript; don’t quit before the end or you’ll miss her thoughts on Palin and Meghan McCain. Speaking of McCains, Maverick may differ with Cheney about whether waterboarding constitutes torture but they agree that a “truth commission” would be a very bad idea. A good question: “[Enhanded interrogation] was bad advice. But if you criminalize bad advice on the part of lawyers, how are you going to get people to serve, and what sort of precedent does that set for the future?”
Actually, here’s a better question: If we all know it’s going to happen anyway in certain circumstances, why not legalize it? Kathleen Parker, unsurprisingly, doesn’t get it:
In his book “Shouting Fire: Civil Liberties in a Turbulent Age,” Dershowitz proposes that since torture is a given under those certain circumstances, then “torture warrants” should be issued by a judge.
He is right that most of us would do whatever necessary to save our child, possibly even torture a kidnapper. Likewise, if we stumbled upon someone trying to harm a loved one, we would kill the attacker if necessary to stop him.
But those are both darkly impassioned environments. It is by the cool light of day that we devise our laws. And it is by that same light that we judge our actions.
The law would protect you if you had to kill an attacker to stop him from killing, which is to say, it’s those “darkly impassioned environments” that law is most concerned with. Why leave a CIA agent in legal limbo if, however likely or unlikely it may be, he finds himself with a detainee in a ticking-bomb scenario?
Do yourself a favor after you watch the clip. Go listen to the archived audio here. Three minutes.
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What she’s doing with them is a scary thought… It’s bordering on illegal /sarc
Upstater85 on April 26, 2009 at 6:18 PM
Oh, like maybe serving my country?
USN (Ret)
Romeo13 on April 26, 2009 at 6:18 PM
Yours were great too :) Save them for the next time she gets too annoying. Perhaps she self-banned herself again, haha!
deidre on April 26, 2009 at 6:18 PM
Not a problem. My docs are great.
getalife on April 26, 2009 at 6:19 PM
Hey, Jon Stewart shouldn’t be the only able 2 have some fun with politics :)
terryannonline on April 26, 2009 at 6:19 PM
cons are silly but creative.
Perhaps use some of that creativity in showing some patriotism.
Squeaky wheel get no oil
I’m so sharp I cut myself
I’m so bright I gatta wear shades
A sphincter says what?
Kini on April 26, 2009 at 6:20 PM
getalife, maybe YOU would care to be waterboarded like I have at SERE to show YOUR patriotism? You would soil yourself in the first three seconds of SERE so keep your projection to yourself and RUN AWAY.
nelsonknows on April 26, 2009 at 6:20 PM
From the halls of Camp Casey
to the shores of Gitmo bay
We will spit on our country’s warriors
on the land and on the sea
getalife.
There is patriotism for you.
Terrye on April 26, 2009 at 6:20 PM
nelson:
I would pay to see that.
Terrye on April 26, 2009 at 6:21 PM
Oh, like maybe serving my country?
USN (Ret)
Romeo13 on April 26, 2009 at 6:18 PM
USN here too, and I’m pretty sure getaclue was one of those demanding a few years ago that anyone who didn’t automatically enlist in “Bush’s Wars” was some sort of coward.
Makes you wonder why he hasn’t enlisted to serve in Ogabe’s wars.
Bishop on April 26, 2009 at 6:22 PM
Yeah sure, maybe you’re right. Who needs liberty anyway? Why do I need to have the best health care in the world? And why should I keep anymore than 20% of what I earn?
Oh … and private property, who needs it? Plus I think those loving environmentalists need it more.
While I’m rolling, I also think who am I to deny any Islamist his desire of world capitualtion to Islam? Why should I keep my head and not others?
I kinda feel patriotic now.
darwin on April 26, 2009 at 6:22 PM
Chapter I
Once upon a time, in a far far away imaginary progressive Utopia that will never exist, there lived a little dimwit. She longed to suck the toe-jam from Teh One’s Adonis-like feet. However, her mother, simply told her, to get a life.
The next day, she ran away from home and found a job at ACORN where they promised to pay for her internet service if she trolled. This sent a tingle up her leg.
What does the future hold for the dimwit? Time will tell.
Anyone got Chapter II?
Upstater85 on April 26, 2009 at 6:22 PM
maybe getalife saw a killer rabbit, those rabbits CAN be quite deadly you know, perhaps you should run away some more.
Go and boil your bottom you cheesy-loving, second-hand, electric donkey bottom biter.
Go away or I will taunt you a second time.
nelsonknows on April 26, 2009 at 6:23 PM
You’re killing me.
Upstater85 on April 26, 2009 at 6:24 PM
Oh it is not just free health care. No doubt Obama will nationalize 17% of our national economy in less time than it takes to tell about it. Then we can have the same people who run the federal government in charge of health care.
We will have free education too. All the way through college.
Next thing you know there will be free housing and free food and free everything.
We will just tax the evil rich people, like Obama and Pelosi and if that is not enough..we will just print some more.
And tax tax tax the suckers.
Terrye on April 26, 2009 at 6:24 PM
I love it when someone stands up to the interview tactics use by people on the left.
KBird on April 26, 2009 at 6:24 PM
I have to take issue with this statement.
The law should protect you in a self-defense or defense of others situation, but in some states, notably CA, the political class do not like it when citizens defend themselves and so have a double jeopardy situation where you can be acquitted of murder and then run the gauntlet of a civil suit, even when the circumstances are so clearly in your favor.
Likewise, carrying a handgun without a permit is not allowed in CA for simple “self defense” (depending on the sheriff or police chief controlling issuance of permtis)…were you to use one in such a case you could be prosecuted for carrying illegally even if the use was clearly justifiable. Depends on the DA and public opinion.
Either way you are likely to lose your weapon in CA.
Harry Schell on April 26, 2009 at 6:24 PM
You don’t understand … your doctors may be great but they won’t be making medical decisions for you, a board of bureaucrats will.
Read the stimulus bill.
It creates this board. When the government is paying for your treatment, if they decide you can have treatment, will dictate exactly what treatment you will get.
darwin on April 26, 2009 at 6:25 PM
Kini on April 26, 2009 at 6:25 PM
God,,, I could only hope that one day I might be half as smart as a Cheney!
Stupid freakin lib media mouth piece of the Obamatrons!
The way we are headed, how can we even lock criminals up!??! Isn’t that torture??
So what,, we stay kind to terrorists so that millions may die in a nuclear blast!! Freaking morons!!
If I were King,, the next time we had any intel of a possible terrorist attack,,, I would round up all the stinking libtards in the media and ship them to the middle of whatever city might be hit!!
JellyToast on April 26, 2009 at 6:25 PM
Yeah, its easy to spout Patriotism from your Mom’s basement… while other better people are willing to do very HARD things, to protect you.
Romeo13 on April 26, 2009 at 6:26 PM
“Patriotism”? Please give us your “definition” of that word.
This should be hallucinogenic.
Del Dolemonte on April 26, 2009 at 6:26 PM
The Ebonics version of Getalife’s posts:
Ma Mah tol me, “getty, u kin do enythin if yu dun put ur mind to it. N wen I sey enythin i meanz u could be gr8 at turnin’ tricks and poppin’ out teh babes so long as you don get a reel job.”
/getalife
Upstater85 on April 26, 2009 at 6:26 PM
Getalife…didn’t you ban yourself, dude? Guess you couldn’t stay away from our brilliant minds.
Romeo13, thank you for your service, sir. I get commissioned into the USN myself in 3 weeks. Go Navy!
Rightwingguy on April 26, 2009 at 6:28 PM
QOTD!!!
Upstater85 on April 26, 2009 at 6:28 PM
On one, fine, sunny day in April(because the threat against terrorism was gone), get a life wanted to fall in love. She was having a hard time finding a significant other, so she decided to go to the library.
At the library, she went to the obituary section and found a man that died in 2002 named Harry Dick. She registered him as a democrat as she was ever so loyal to her Messiah and she could only date a liberal.
She then told everyone at ACORN about her boyfriend, Harry Dick.
How will their relationship turn out….chapter III
deidre on April 26, 2009 at 6:28 PM
+1000
This is bordering on too realistic…
Upstater85 on April 26, 2009 at 6:29 PM
LOL! AWESOME!!!!
deidre on April 26, 2009 at 6:29 PM
Getalife, Obama, and teabagging
In the beginning, there was a suckup….
Kini on April 26, 2009 at 6:29 PM
I think that Allah and ED should have a “post of the day.” We should try and convince them.
deidre on April 26, 2009 at 6:31 PM
Racist.
getalife on April 26, 2009 at 6:31 PM
/SALUTE!
Congrats….
And an unsolicited piece of advice…. remember as a Junior Officer…
Rule 1: The CPO is always right…
Rule 2: There is no Rule 2
Romeo13 on April 26, 2009 at 6:31 PM
If it was based on comments produced, I would win it everytime.
I rule this blog.
getalife on April 26, 2009 at 6:32 PM
racist??? Gawd you are precious.
Terrye on April 26, 2009 at 6:32 PM
What’s the matter, getalife, rabbit got your tongue?
Did the FACT that if waterboarding WAS torture, it would be ILLEGAL to conduct in SERE, stick in your throat like a football?
nelsonknows on April 26, 2009 at 6:33 PM
Kini on April 26, 2009 at 6:25 PM
Let me cite that for you: 1st Babylonians Chapter 1 verse 1.
The Libs are all for abortion but against getting a murderous enemy of our country wet. Figure that one out.
kingsjester on April 26, 2009 at 6:33 PM
nelsonknows on April 26, 2009 at 6:33 PM
We debunked that agument earlier.
getalife on April 26, 2009 at 6:33 PM
LIE!
Romeo13 on April 26, 2009 at 6:34 PM
ROTFLMAO!!!
Kini on April 26, 2009 at 6:34 PM
Chapter III (Yes Kini, she did get to three)
Get a life was so happy. Her relationship with the stiff, dead Harry Dick was something that only a democrat could appreciate. They decided they wanted to adopt several Children, but in the spirit of Marx, they felt they should then starve the children and deprive them of proper medical treatment, as Obamacare was still waiting to pass in Congress. Thus, most of get a life’s children died due to neglect and food poisoning (They were hiding Saddam’s Yellowcake Uranium). Get a life was so sad, she decided abortions were the only way to go… Chap IV?
Upstater85 on April 26, 2009 at 6:35 PM
Still waiting for your “definition” of Patriotism. I assume Paul Begala hasn’t e-mailed one to you yet?
Del Dolemonte on April 26, 2009 at 6:35 PM
Let’s see getalife’s idea of patriotism.
hmm
Slipping the correct amound of cyanide in someone’s kool aid at the behest of her Lord and Master.
Maybe.
Pretending that in America people really do not have a right to their own opinions so harrassing them for not agreeing with you is patriotic.
Mindlessly and slavishly adoring a man who sat in a chuch listening to a race baiting preacher scream God Damn America! for twenty freaking years.
Hoping America loses a war so that you can win.
Waiting until danger passes and then pretending moral outrage over something like waterboarding like the loyal little foot soldier of the Emporer.
All of that would be getalife’s idea of patriotism.
Terrye on April 26, 2009 at 6:36 PM
Del Dolemonte on April 26, 2009 at 6:35 PM
You know, you did it the last 8 years.
getalife on April 26, 2009 at 6:36 PM
Creative racist though, right?
Yes, I’m a big conservative proponent of the ghettoization of minorities… Oh wait…
Upstater85 on April 26, 2009 at 6:36 PM
Typical leftist. Hasn’t proved anything, won’t answer questions and believes shyt that never happened.
darwin on April 26, 2009 at 6:37 PM
No, just racist.
getalife on April 26, 2009 at 6:37 PM
Not good enough.
How do you define Patriotism?
Del Dolemonte on April 26, 2009 at 6:38 PM
I love how our President is arrogant.
I am as smart as our wonderful president and as arrogant as him.
I can win in any debate, even against the President. I rock everything.
I love myself and my ACORN boyfriend, Harry Dick.
/get a life
deidre on April 26, 2009 at 6:38 PM
Rule 1: The CPO is always right…
Rule 2: There is no Rule 2
Romeo13 on April 26, 2009 at 6:31 PM
Bwaaaa! And no matter how much you would love to join the enlisted guys who are raising hell and having fun while on liberty, officers are expected to maintain a bit of decorum.
Bishop on April 26, 2009 at 6:38 PM
You are a liar.
nelsonknows on April 26, 2009 at 6:38 PM
You’ll never get a response. She just ignore questions she can’t answer …. which is to say she pretty much just repeats the same thing over and over.
darwin on April 26, 2009 at 6:38 PM
Maybe you should see what we are fighting against and tell us what you really think
Kini on April 26, 2009 at 6:39 PM
Oh, getty, please intervene for me at the altar of Teh One. I didn’t realize that the progressive policy towards minorities was actually beneficial to them. Oh, PLEASE forgive me of my sins. PLEASE. My desire to empower the individual was clearly misguided. Oh, let abortions rain down on the ghettos and may the great US not integrate Hispanics into our society!!! Oh, Teh One, here my cries…
Upstater85 on April 26, 2009 at 6:40 PM
That is too hard for getalife to define. She can’t explain the word “illegal.” He says he is against illegal “torture” but isn’t against illegal immigration or illegal drugs.
deidre on April 26, 2009 at 6:41 PM
Why racist? It was not so long ago that the school system in Oakland wanted to include Ebonics as a seperate language. It was the multicultural diverse taxpayer subsidized thing to do.
It is true that some prominent African Americans like Bill Cosby thought it was daft, but then he is an Uncle Tom just like Juan Williams. Or so I have been told by wise and worldly progressives.
Terrye on April 26, 2009 at 6:41 PM
here = hear
Upstater85 on April 26, 2009 at 6:42 PM
Yes! We’re the party that destroyed the black family, the party of Jim Crow, the KKK … we segregate everyone into neat little categories based on race and gender and believe blacks and other minorites can never take care of themselves because they’re not as smart as us.
Plus we’re so nice we put abortion clinics in all the minority neighborhoods.
Our hero is Margret Sanger!
Oh wait … that’s the democrats. My bad.
darwin on April 26, 2009 at 6:42 PM
Best chapter of them all :)
I gotta get going though. work is calling. It was fun :)
deidre on April 26, 2009 at 6:42 PM
I know that. After all, her IQ is comparable to that of the guy she voted for in the 2004 Presidential election.
He served in Cambodia, by the way.
Del Dolemonte on April 26, 2009 at 6:42 PM
TREASON: Noun;
1. Violation of allegiance toward one’s country or sovereign, especially the betrayal of one’s country by waging war against it or by consciously and purposely acting to aid its enemies.
2. Support to those who give aid and comfort to the enemy.
3. A betrayal of trust or confidence.
getalife, YOU are a traitor.
nelsonknows on April 26, 2009 at 6:43 PM
Terry, although I understand your concern, how is the white man suppose to harness the vote of the black man unless the black man is forced to live in a ghetto and speak in such a way that only the local McDonald’s would hire him.
tsk tsk Terry… /sarc
Upstater85 on April 26, 2009 at 6:43 PM
I love the way Liz Cheney talked over, argued with, and shut down Norah O’ Donnell. She didn’t allow her to bully her out of getting her point of view in. She called her on her bias while proving her points.
I like the fact that she explained WHY it is not torture, that we do this to our own troops AND that Al Quada does not follow the rules that we hamstring ourselves with.
I think Liz Cheney should be running the RNC. She has more balls than Michael Steele.
HornetSting on April 26, 2009 at 6:44 PM
Yeah… dam Tailhook scandal!
Romeo13 on April 26, 2009 at 6:44 PM
Upstater:
Oh yes, all one had to do was see the people in New Orleans during Katrina to know just what good all that help did for them. They were incapable of getting themselves out of the way of a Hurricane. After all, they were waiting for someone else to come get them.
I can remember a time when poor people were self sufficient and resourceful. They might not have had a lot, but then they did not sit there and wait to drown either.
That is what generations of welfare does for people.
Terrye on April 26, 2009 at 6:44 PM
I concur.
darwin on April 26, 2009 at 6:44 PM
Have fun at work, Deidre, and good luck with the next chap.
Upstater85 on April 26, 2009 at 6:44 PM
Hornet Sting:
Yes, she was forceful and strong and coherent. I like the lady.
Terrye on April 26, 2009 at 6:45 PM
BTW, why are you answering the troll and trying to reason with it…??????
HornetSting on April 26, 2009 at 6:46 PM
Yes, this is why Katrina wasn’t the greatest American catastrophe, but instead points at the greatest American catastrophe… government, ACLU supported segregation.
Upstater85 on April 26, 2009 at 6:46 PM
Practicing for 2010 and 2012 when we have to debate other progressives.
Upstater85 on April 26, 2009 at 6:47 PM
Upstater:
Yes, silly me. By all means, let’s teach them to talk in such a way that they have to use subtitles on day time court TV shows to understand what they are saying. Doubtless that will get them far in this life. Asking them to speak the language, is just so unfair.
Terrye on April 26, 2009 at 6:47 PM
I LOVE Dick Cheney…..Darth Vader…..he tells it like it is and the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree.
They are for America and only America, not like these pansy ass, good for nothing, we want the world to love us, waste of air liberals.
HornetSting on April 26, 2009 at 6:47 PM
Getalife, you have now officially questioned the patriotism of those you disagree with more than any conservative during Bush’s Presidency ever did.
Speedwagon82 on April 26, 2009 at 6:51 PM
More encounters where folks like Liz Cheney chew up Main Stream Media folks like Nora O’Donnell the quicker the demise of the Main Stream Media. Nora should pack her bag and go back to wherever exposed amateur propagandists go maybe ACORN or just “Community Organizer”no bull. Total wipeout not even close you just can’t over talk excellence in action. There will be a large effort to minimize and demean Liz by the left if she gets too much air time. The big names will shun her and hope she gets turned over to “The View.”
rsl775 on April 26, 2009 at 6:52 PM
Several poster, in the Armed Services, here have questioned getalife statements, to which getalife hasn’t answered.
It is the difference between saying something of value and just talking to be heard.
Kini on April 26, 2009 at 6:54 PM
You have to argue with someone that has at least two brain cells to argue with each other, upstater.
HornetSting on April 26, 2009 at 6:54 PM
Well, there were two trolls earlier and so that should be at least 1.5 brain cells.
Upstater85 on April 26, 2009 at 6:55 PM
Well played…
And I’ll now play the “Dissent is Patriotic” Card…
/Getlife: Go Fish?
Romeo13 on April 26, 2009 at 6:56 PM
And has done so while refusing to define what “patriotism” actually is. Because she simply doesn’t know.
Del Dolemonte on April 26, 2009 at 6:57 PM
Clearly getalife was the child that never got enough love from her parents. She craves attention, so she comes to HA to dribble on and on. She may be nothing like Cheney, but she has something in common with MegMac.
Upstater85 on April 26, 2009 at 6:57 PM
HornetSting on April 26, 2009 at 6:47 PM
I’m with you, kiddo. My daddy was 40 years older than me. When he passed away, I found out he had landed at Normandy. It is quiet Patriotism like his and others of that generation, and those currently serving, like our buddy hawkdriver, that have built our legacy of freedom. Liberals do not understand that love of country or of life itself. American Optimism is like kryptonite to them. So is individual achievement. The objective of their negative groupthink is to bring this country down to the level of the European Socialist countries. They will not succeed. They have not counted on the backbone of Free Americans.
The blowback you’ve seen the last month of so is just the beginning.
kingsjester on April 26, 2009 at 7:00 PM
Which one? Did Crapulus come back?
HornetSting on April 26, 2009 at 7:01 PM
Pocket rocket?
geckomon on April 26, 2009 at 7:02 PM
Nora is
an amazing advocate of liberal argumentsdoing a fine job as a journalist asking the tough questions.Thank god Mehgan McCain wasn’t available to answer so they had to ask Liz.
Liz…was you know…like…awesome.
BillaryMcBush on April 26, 2009 at 7:03 PM
Got Fins…
He didn’t like torture because it was illegal but he couldn’t tell us what he thought of illegal immigration (which I take must be illegal).
Upstater85 on April 26, 2009 at 7:03 PM
Dude, I was totally hinting at this, but thought I would get kicked off for saying it.
Upstater85 on April 26, 2009 at 7:04 PM
Hmmm…
http://www.floppingaces.net/2009/04/26/punching-holes-through-the-lefts-talking-points-on-the-zubaydah-interrogation/
Del Dolemonte on April 26, 2009 at 7:05 PM
Absolutely, I spoke with my mom this afternoon and she was telling me about Joel Osteen’s NY stadium event…..she said something that stuck with me…..Christianity is not dead. No matter what that idiot in the WH tries to do, we are still out there and we are gathering strength. I told her, he cannot take God away from us, he cannot stop me from praying. EVER! The tea parties, our patriotism. We have God on our side. We will not fail.
HornetSting on April 26, 2009 at 7:05 PM
Got fins, that is a study in stupidity.
HornetSting on April 26, 2009 at 7:06 PM
Except that Norah isn’t even a journalist. She was a philosophy major in college.
Of course that’s irrelevant to the Left. That CNN bimbo at the tea party was an English major, and Wolfie Blitzkrieg studied history in college, not journalism.
Del Dolemonte on April 26, 2009 at 7:08 PM
Dick cheney should be very proud of his daughter Liz. Outstanding handling of lefty Nora Wallace.
Phil Byler on April 26, 2009 at 7:15 PM
Maybe we could turn over Islamist interrogation over to Farmer John. He could walk in with a hotplate, frying pan and a pound of his smoked, Bacon. Fry up a few slices and start asking questions.
Kjeil on April 26, 2009 at 7:17 PM
OK, kids, this new steaming heap from NY Times drama critic Frankie Rich will instantly lower your IQ by a hundred points by just reading it, and make you throw up in your mouth at the same time.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/26/opinion/26rich.html
excerpt
A mind is a terrible thing to waste. Frankie proves that in spades.
Del Dolemonte on April 26, 2009 at 7:19 PM
Wow, and your self-ban lasted for a whole day! What everlasting willpower you have. Not that I, or anyone else expected much more from you.
We so missed your in depth, three word sentence analysis.
Get over yourself and your childish, petulant rants. You can’t debate because you don’t have the depth of intelligence to post actual rebuttals that require cognitive thought. You are incapable of it.
You rule nothing, not even the delusions that you’ve created for yourself.
ManInBlack on April 26, 2009 at 7:30 PM
Honestly, if it saves us from another WTC or worse I could care less if they nailed their nuts to a porcupine.
ronsfi on April 26, 2009 at 7:40 PM
Take note of the shot of Norah with a laptop and “backup” in the form of printed documents all around her..
In addition to having a guy in the control room ready to put anything on the screen to bolster her agenda, she likely has an earpiece telling her how to refute Cheney.
Meanwhile, Cheney sits there without any of it and calmly slams a clearly disheveled O’Donnell. Did you see those eyes darting around as if looking for an answer in her “stack”?
Must be the name O’Donnell.
Barrack on April 26, 2009 at 7:46 PM
We could probably save time and energy by going directly to talkingpointsmemo or moveon.org or myobama instead of suffering through the predictably repetitious emptiness of the trolls.
onlineanalyst on April 26, 2009 at 7:51 PM
and Dick.
gh on April 26, 2009 at 7:52 PM
5:32 “The Powell” ??
- The Cat
MirCat on April 26, 2009 at 8:02 PM
I guess tazering someone would be torture to a leftist but that’s perfectly legal, just like waterboarding is.
nelsonknows on April 26, 2009 at 8:02 PM
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