Obama to end representation in interrogations?

posted at 10:00 am on April 25, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Apologies to Glenn Reynolds, but they said if I voted for a Republican in 2008, I’d wind up with an autocratic administration determined to wipe out civil rights — and they were right!  The Obama administration has argued for the end of the Michigan v Jackson ruling that requires police to provide an attorney for a suspect once one has been requested.  They argue that the benefits are “meagre,” as the Telegraph puts it:

The effort to sweep aside the 23-year-old Michigan vs Jackson ruling is one of several moves by the new government to have dismayed civil rights groups. …

The Michigan vs Jackson ruling in 1986 established that, if a defendants have a lawyer or have asked for one to be present, police may not interview them until the lawyer is present.

Any such questioning cannot be used in court even if the suspect agrees to waive his right to a lawyer because he would have made that decision without legal counsel, said the Supreme Court.

However, in a current case that seeks to change the law, the US Justice Department argues that the existing rule is unnecessary and outdated.

The sixth amendment of the US constitution protects the right of criminal suspects to be “represented by counsel”, but the Obama regime argues that this merely means to “protect the adversary process” in a criminal trial.

The Justice Department, in a brief signed by Elena Kagan, the solicitor general, said the 1986 decision “serves no real purpose” and offers only “meagre benefits”.

Can you imagine what the outcry over this would have been had President John McCain, or for that matter President George W. Bush, had tried this?  Newspapers around the nation would have decried his assault on civil liberties.  PFAW and the ACLU would have staged rallies in every American city, and they would have called Bush, McCain, or any other Republican a fascist for denying legal counsel to people under police questioning.  We’d have an endless line of appearances on television news programs from people who got coerced into false confessions after having been denied counsel.

Instead, with Obama in office, we have to discover this from a British newspaper.  The only other coverage seen on this side of the pond has been from SCOTUS Blog (neutral analysis) and the HuffPo’s reprint of an AP report.

Rolling back Michigan v Jackson would be a mistake.  People who ask for an attorney should get one without further questioning.  Americans have the right to counsel at all stages of the process, not just in court, as Obama argues.  The adversarial process begins with arrest and interrogation, not when people first face a judge.  While Miranda has been turned into a fetish, Michigan actually does the work Miranda promises — to get people counsel when they most need it.  That does serve a real purpose, despite what Obama argues.

Wasn’t Barack Obama supposed to be a Constitutional scholar?  Was that in the How To Dismantle school of thought?

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blatantblue on April 25, 2009 at 10:04 AM

I thought this was about lawyers in interrogations with terrorists. I was ready to applaud him.

He wants to take that away from AMERICANS?

While he releases TERRORISTS, who had ample free representation from big name lawyers, onto our soil.

Just whose president is this guy?

amkun on April 25, 2009 at 10:04 AM

So if they continue to question you and you don’t answer the questions are they entitled to commence the beatings?

thomasaur on April 25, 2009 at 10:05 AM

I thought this was about lawyers in interrogations with terrorists. I was ready to applaud him.

amkun on April 25, 2009 at 10:04 AM

This is the only case in which the left would cry.

amkun on April 25, 2009 at 10:06 AM

Legal counsel is only needed/required for Obamites and Congresstitutes. The ‘unwashed, stinking masses’ shall simply trust The One’s Rules to be protected.

Believe that, I’ve got a great property for sale to the highest bidder. Excellent view of the Washington D.C. mall, Smithsonian Buildings, Library of Congress and other prominent buildings.

SeniorD on April 25, 2009 at 10:06 AM

But this is for al Qaeda detainees? Correct?

Mr. Joe on April 25, 2009 at 10:08 AM

I heard that Obama was also talking about doing away with the whole read them their rights policy.

Last time I looked this was the United States and not the Kingdom of Obamastan where he ruled as a monarch and King.

At least I hope it is still the USA.

Terrye on April 25, 2009 at 10:10 AM

US Justice Department argues that the existing rule is unnecessary and outdated.

I’m not a Constitutional Scholar like the President is, but isn’t this a violation of “The Bill of Rights”? The first ten amendments of the constitution were considered so important that they were given their own name.

On a side note: The President wants to pre-empt prime time on wednesday for his bully pulpit. If the networks say no, will there be a government takeover of the television industry.

Tommy_G on April 25, 2009 at 10:11 AM

Yeah, but you see Republicans are fascist nazis. Government under our beloved Dear Leader is compassionate, so police interviews (please don’t use pejoratives such as “interrogation” or “questioning”) are merely get-to-know-you sessions. So no need for lawyers.

Oh, and just because The One is firing company CEOs, it doesn’t mean that there is a confluence of politics and economics that is at the heart of fascism.

hey, someone has to pick up the idiocy now that getalife’s banned it’s trollbot self

rbj on April 25, 2009 at 10:11 AM

He says he can be trusted.

He says
1 I won this belt buckle at the rodeo
2 I was just helping the sheep over the fence
3 this pick up is paid for

He is a fine cowboy.

seven on April 25, 2009 at 10:11 AM

He needs to free up the lawyers to represent the terrorists.

p0s3r on April 25, 2009 at 10:11 AM

This only applies to legal resident schmucks. Terrorists get far better.

Mojave Mark on April 25, 2009 at 10:13 AM

Yeah but these rules only apply to Republicans who are arrested.

Mr. Joe on April 25, 2009 at 10:13 AM

Constitutional Scholar? Part of the myth. He was a guest lecturer on Civil Rights.

This does appear to eliminate things that interfere with royal decrees.

billypaintbrush on April 25, 2009 at 10:14 AM

The Constitution says you have the right to remain silent. You also have the right to representation. So if you choose to remain silent until you do have that representation, how can that be wrong?

Terrye on April 25, 2009 at 10:14 AM

Obama reminds me of people who try to make something up when they don’t know the answer to a question – and it’s painfully obvious. Any time there’s no teleprompter, there’s trouble.

Uh-oh. The racist police are looking at me.

perroviejo on April 25, 2009 at 10:17 AM

amkun on April 25, 2009 at 10:04 AM

My thoughts exactly. This administration is disaster.

OneGyT on April 25, 2009 at 10:18 AM

So if you choose to remain silent until you do have that representation, how can that be wrong?

Terrye on April 25, 2009 at 10:14 AM

A while back the Supreme Court rule it was ok for the police to lie to a suspect while interrogating him. A lawyer is always needed when dealing with the authorities. The average person doesn’t understand the law or the system well enough to handle it on their own.

Tommy_G on April 25, 2009 at 10:19 AM

I read this yesterday but still my reaction is WOW.

My other reaction is “Where the flock is the media on this”? Seriously, I know they are bootlicking whores, but there must be SOMEONE somewhere who’s thinking this is worthy enough to expose to the public.

Bishop on April 25, 2009 at 10:20 AM

Yeah but these rules only apply to Republicans who are arrested.

Mr. Joe on April 25, 2009 at 10:13 AM

Pretty soon you’ll be forced to carry your registration card/get a tattoo.

amkun on April 25, 2009 at 10:22 AM

I guess Gibbs was right, and 0bama doesn’t know squat about constitutional law.

Quisp on April 25, 2009 at 10:23 AM

Well, as soon as he’s done with that, he needs to get this health care rationing thing going,…looks like there will be a need for it soon.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30398682

a capella on April 25, 2009 at 10:23 AM

The Constitution says you have the right to remain silent. You also have the right to representation. So if you choose to remain silent until you do have that representation, how can that be wrong?

Terrye on April 25, 2009 at 10:14 AM

Yeah, but the constitution is just this paper thingy. It has no meaning in an BHO administration. We have teleprompters – we no longer need paper.
Besides – using paper is bad for the environment.

Corsair on April 25, 2009 at 10:26 AM

Waiting for the ACLU and MSNBC to jump all over this…………….still waiting………

conservnut on April 25, 2009 at 10:28 AM

At least he’s still bothering to go through court to accomplish this. I’m afraid someday he might not bother with formalities like that.

zmdavid on April 25, 2009 at 10:28 AM

FTA:

The government said that suspects have the right to remain silent, and that officers must respect that decision. But it argued that there is no reason a defendant who wants to speak without a lawyer present should not be able to respond to officers’ questions.

That last part seems rather disingenuous. The issue is that what the defendant says after requesting a lawyer can not be used until the lawyer is present. correct?

aikidoka on April 25, 2009 at 10:29 AM

people you are misiing the point. Obama is going to war with the lawyers. Just another group of people that voted for Obama that will have buyers remorse. If this is granted a lot of lawyers will be out of work. Or lose alot of money. Think of all the confessions the police can get. What need of a lawyer at a trail if the defendent has already confessed? Lawyers should be pissed off right about now with Obama.

unseen on April 25, 2009 at 10:37 AM

aikidoka:

Yes, I think so. The fact is people can and do waive the right to an attorney, but the point is that the option has to be there.

Terrye on April 25, 2009 at 10:39 AM

The Obama administration has argued for the end of the Michigan v Jackson ruling that requires police to provide an attorney for a suspect once one has been requested.

Why of course!! Obama will need this done before they start rounding up all the right wing extremists!

izoneguy on April 25, 2009 at 10:39 AM

Anyone still think it’s way off base to compare him to Chavez?

RightWinged on April 25, 2009 at 10:40 AM

unseen:

Not only that, there will probably be more judge rather than jury trials. After all, if you have already confessed who needs a jury to sway?

Terrye on April 25, 2009 at 10:40 AM

unseen on April 25, 2009 at 10:37 AM

Are you trying to sell the plan? Because it’s working.

amkun on April 25, 2009 at 10:40 AM

What’s next, water boarding suspects?

Fletch54 on April 25, 2009 at 10:41 AM

If Yomama had his goons burn the Constitution, he wouldn’t have to even pretend to follow it, right?

It wouldn’t even be “just a piece of paper” then.

darwin-t on April 25, 2009 at 10:41 AM

The Hokey Pelosi!

She puts her left foot in,
She puts her left foot out,
She puts her left foot in,
and her credibility’s in doubt,
She gives a hokey excuse,
and turns it upside down,
Politics is what’s its about.

Mr. Joe on April 25, 2009 at 10:42 AM

Just whose president is this guy?

amkun on April 25, 2009 at 10:04 AM

L’état, c’est Moi!

Loxodonta on April 25, 2009 at 10:46 AM

What’s going on here? I thought liberals and lefties were for more suspects’ rights, no?

ParisParamus on April 25, 2009 at 10:48 AM

Doesn’t Elena Kagan realize that the next Republican president might choose to prosecute her for her crime of signing a legal opinion that a future administration might disagree with?

Midas on April 25, 2009 at 10:49 AM

What’s going on here? I thought liberals and lefties were for more suspects’ rights, no?

ParisParamus on April 25, 2009 at 10:48 AM

Liberal/leftie outrage is entirely dependent upon the political persuasion of the person engaged in the questionable activity.

Midas on April 25, 2009 at 10:50 AM

What’s going on here? I thought liberals and lefties were for more suspects’ rights, no?

ParisParamus on April 25, 2009 at 10:48 AM

Not when the suspects are those horrible “right wing extremists.”

I’m just sayin’…

BardMan on April 25, 2009 at 10:52 AM

While I’m all ready to jump in and scream hypocrisy I’m trying to figure out the rationale…

Basic rights (like the RIGHT to an attorney) aren’t revokable in this country even if they are “meager” (us spelling). So this is a blatant strike against liberties and civil protections.

What’s the rationale for this? Why take the political damage/risk, go against your stated ideology to get information you can’t use in a trial anyway?!

The only answer I can think of is… enhanced interrogations on a civilian level…

Skywise on April 25, 2009 at 10:52 AM

So you just attended a Tea Party and brought in for questioning…..Lawyer = Witness

This is scary!!!!

norryrr on April 25, 2009 at 10:53 AM

Why of course!! Obama will need this done before they start rounding up all the right wing extremists!

izoneguy on April 25, 2009 at 10:39 AM

Actually, I’m not a big consipiracy theory type….but really….WTF IS Obama up to with this???? I mean why would he need to bother with this at all?

dont taze me bro on April 25, 2009 at 10:53 AM

I get a feeling this administration is trying to sneak something out the back door. They are keeping us busy looking at the front door 24/7 with their BS and stupid moves, but what’s going out the back that they don’t want us to see or know about?

Old Hippie Vet on April 25, 2009 at 10:58 AM

but the Obama regime argues that this merely means to “protect the adversary process” in a criminal trial.

Okay, what the hell does that mean? Paging all major newspapers and news organizations in America–wake tfu and stop worrying about what kibble first mutt is eating….

RepubChica on April 25, 2009 at 10:58 AM

What’s going on here? I thought liberals and lefties were for more suspects’ rights, no?

ParisParamus on April 25, 2009 at 10:48 AM

Clinton STARTED the rendition program.
Clinton HELD prisoners for YEARS on end without charging them.

I find it amazing but I seem to be sliding more to a radical/McCarthy-esque position… The only pattern I can see here is that Republicans try to hold the line on “rights” to keep individual liberty going. But that means your voters are individuals with all the bickering and infighting that brings (which is actually a good thing). But leftists walk more and more in brownshirt/socialist style destroying rights and liberties in favor of their own until they get what they want. And if that means “re-educating” unbelievers, so be it. (It also fits with another pattern I’ve seen with organized religions and I’m wondering if all organized religion isn’t sprung in part from leftist ideology). (Not dissing any one religion here or saying religion is BAD… but if you look at religions that skew to leftist ideology you see the same patterns…

Skywise on April 25, 2009 at 10:59 AM

unseen on April 25, 2009 at 10:37 AM

Hey! Let’s erode the Rule of Law so that people will dislike our opponent!

If this is granted a lot of lawyers will be out of work. Or lose alot of money.

Public defenders are usually rookies, and do not make much money. Else, special interest groups (like immigration) often fund lawyers for special-interest clients.

Think of all the confessions the police can get.

Nothing could possibly go wrong there.

cadetwithchips2 on April 25, 2009 at 11:04 AM

Hey, how else are they going to get you to admit you’re a right wing extremist?

Kafir on April 25, 2009 at 11:05 AM

A while back the Supreme Court rule it was ok for the police to lie to a suspect while interrogating him. A lawyer is always needed when dealing with the authorities. The average person doesn’t understand the law or the system well enough to handle it on their own.

Tommy_G on April 25, 2009 at 10:19 AM

I am always amazed at the tricks cops pull on these shows, especially Law and Order. I know it is TV but they do have consultants from the law field and police to help them with authenticity, so some of it must be realistic.

O/T: I have been offline since yesterday morning,

Why and when was getalife banned?

Jvette on April 25, 2009 at 11:09 AM

Constitutional Scholar? Part of the myth. He was a guest lecturer on Civil Rights.

***

billypaintbrush on April 25, 2009 at 10:14 AM

You’re so right. This constitutional scholar nonsense is one of the biggest canards Obama has going.

Maybe they think that with Law & Order reruns running for the past 15 years, suspects should know by now to keep their mouths shut.

Question: does anyone else think that they’ll come up with an illegal alien and ACORN exception?

BuckeyeSam on April 25, 2009 at 11:12 AM

He says he can be trusted.

He says
1 I won this belt buckle at the rodeo
2 I was just helping the sheep over the fence
3 this pick up is paid for

He is a fine cowboy.

seven on April 25, 2009 at 10:11 AM

Love it!

mr.blacksheep on April 25, 2009 at 11:13 AM

Them Gitmo fellers ain’t gonna like hearin’ ’bout this…

Wyznowski on April 25, 2009 at 11:14 AM

Why and when was getalife banned?

Jvette on April 25, 2009 at 11:09 AM

Self-imposed. We’re too hateful. My bet, however, is that the self-muzzling will be as effective as Kramer’s vow of silence I once saw on an episode of Seinfeld.

BuckeyeSam on April 25, 2009 at 11:14 AM

Why and when was getalife banned?

Jvette on April 25, 2009 at 11:09 AM

I didn’t know either, but if it’s true, that’s great. Its nonsense was getting annoying.

mr.blacksheep on April 25, 2009 at 11:15 AM

Hey, how else are they going to get you to admit you’re a right wing extremist?

Kafir on April 25, 2009 at 11:05 AM

No admission required. You’re presumed guilty.

BuckeyeSam on April 25, 2009 at 11:15 AM

Critics argue that the 1986 decision is important to protect vulnerable defendants such as the mentally disabled, poor or juveniles who could be easily swayed by the police.

“Your right to assistance of counsel can be undermined if somebody on the other side who is much more sophisticated than you are comes and talks to you and asks for information,” said Sidney Rosdeitcher, a New York lawyer who advises the Brennan Centre for Justice at New York University.

Stephen Bright, a lawyer who works with poor defendants at the Southern Centre for Human Rights in Atlanta, described the administration’s position as “disappointing – no question”.

Nineteen former judges and prosecutors – including Larry Thompson, the ex-deputy attorney general, and Williams Sessions, a former FBI director – have urged the Supreme Court to leave the 1986 ruling intact.

The DOJ chick says it’s outdated and “offers meager benefits”. Think they’re gonna have to come up with a better one than that to attempt and overturn something so landmark…

RepubChica on April 25, 2009 at 11:17 AM

Constitutional Scholar? Part of the myth. He was a guest lecturer on Civil Rights.

billypaintbrush on April 25, 2009 at 10:14 AM

Bingo. This twit knows less about consitutional law than any actual con-law professor in the country. He’s the biggest fraud in Presidential history.

Jaibones on April 25, 2009 at 11:19 AM

Why and when was getalife banned?

Jvette on April 25, 2009 at 11:09 AM

I didn’t know either, but if it’s true, that’s great. Its nonsense was getting annoying.

mr.blacksheep on April 25, 2009 at 11:15 AM

It self-banned itself proclaiming us all to be evil and that the stench of sulfur in this place was becoming insufferable re waterboarding issue….in other words, it stopped taking its medication and had a major titfit. Expect its return when the straightjacket gets removed and its hands become available again.

RepubChica on April 25, 2009 at 11:21 AM

Self-imposed. We’re too hateful. My bet, however, is that the self-muzzling will be as effective as Kramer’s vow of silence I once saw on an episode of Seinfeld.

BuckeyeSam on April 25, 2009 at 11:14 AM

In other words, the talking points had run out of steam, and notaclue was getting tired of being clobbered with mean, dirty tricks such as logic and facts.

It’s probably also pretty bitter about what an abject failure Dear Leader is turning out to be. I know I would be if I’d had so much invested in a chocolate* Easter Bunny.

*(For those who would take the analogy as a racial reference, don’t. It’s an allusion to something that looks like more than it is, but turns out to be nothing but a hollow shell. It’s pathetic that I feel I have to make this disclaimer, but that’s another topic.)

mr.blacksheep on April 25, 2009 at 11:22 AM

The adults are in charge now so shutty everybody. Heheeeeehheeee. Ah, I would love it if that twit was banned.

NathanG on April 25, 2009 at 11:22 AM

What did you expect from a muslim marxist president? He only cares about how fast he can wreck the country he did not grow up in, the USA.

I only hope I outlive the communist in chief so I can dance in glee at his death.

calguyintexas on April 25, 2009 at 11:23 AM

What’s next, water boarding suspects?

Fletch54 on April 25, 2009 at 10:41 AM

Nope, Miranda is next.

Knucklehead on April 25, 2009 at 11:24 AM

What did you expect from a muslim marxist president? He only cares about how fast he can wreck the country he did not grow up in, the USA.

I only hope I outlive the communist in chief so I can dance in glee at his death.

calguyintexas on April 25, 2009 at 11:23 AM

Whoa there Sparky. No need to get violent. I’d like to kick the crap out of some of his supporters, but gees, don’t be happy about his death some day.

NathanG on April 25, 2009 at 11:25 AM

Does this mean that terrorists in a foreign battlefield have more rights than a pick-pocket thief in NYC?!

calguyintexas on April 25, 2009 at 11:25 AM

What the hell has the DOJ, State, or DHS accomplished in these first 100 days? They continue to drag their feet on crime, despots, and terrorists and come up with ideas to step on the average citizen’s neck.

Limerick on April 25, 2009 at 11:27 AM

@Nathan,

Learn to read. There is nothing violent in my screed. And I will be happy about his death, just like I was happy at Mao’s death, Ho Chi Minh’s death, etc.

calguyintexas on April 25, 2009 at 11:28 AM

I swear this guy gets up every morning and asks himself, “What part of the USA can I destroy next?”

Daggett on April 25, 2009 at 11:28 AM

Not to give any credence at all to the tinfoil hats crowd…

But, does anyone get the idea that this Administration even considering a repeal of Jackson is merely part a larger plan?

After all, if you cannot afford an attorney, one will be preovided for you…well, if an attorney is no longer provided, or apparently necessary…sure makes the round up of dissenters a whole heck of a lot easier over the long run.

coldwarrior on April 25, 2009 at 11:31 AM

Census, ACORN, Illegal Immigrants,

There will never be another Republican President or Congress

nondhimmie on April 25, 2009 at 11:31 AM

Does this mean that terrorists in a foreign battlefield have more rights than a pick-pocket thief in NYC?!

calguyintexas on April 25, 2009 at 11:25 AM

No, it means that terrorists on a foreign battlefield will have more rights than those homegrown right wing terrorists that they round up at tea parties.

conservnut on April 25, 2009 at 11:31 AM

He knows the Constitution. He just has no respect for it and is trying to dismantle it.

mph on April 25, 2009 at 11:32 AM

“Are you now or have you ever been a Republican?”

drjohn on April 25, 2009 at 11:33 AM

Conservnut,

Thanks for clarifying that for me! lol And for all the pick-pocket thieves in NYC!

calguyintexas on April 25, 2009 at 11:34 AM

Here’s a crazy thought: He’s just getting ready for the coming civil unrest/civil war.

There won’t be enough attorneys to go around. He’s just being practical, you see.

ZenDraken on April 25, 2009 at 11:35 AM

Why and when was getalife banned?

Jvette on April 25, 2009 at 11:09 AM

She suddenly declared herself banned. My guess is that with spring here, her mother turned off the furnace and the carbon monoxide finally cleared out of the basement.

DarkCurrent on April 25, 2009 at 11:36 AM

@Nathan,

Learn to read. There is nothing violent in my screed. And I will be happy about his death, just like I was happy at Mao’s death, Ho Chi Minh’s death, etc.

calguyintexas on April 25, 2009 at 11:28 AM

With all due respect, the fact that you would take glee in any democratically elected president’s death is at least borderline violent. Every time I read something like what you just said, it reminds me of the a$$holes who wish Bush was dead, and not just by natural causes either. Think about the idiots who took such glee in Reagan’s death. Not a pretty picture.

NathanG on April 25, 2009 at 11:37 AM

Before you know it they’ll pull down the Minuteman statue at the North Bridge.

(Seething in Texas)

Limerick on April 25, 2009 at 11:37 AM

ZenDraken,

Unfortunately, that is not a crazy thought since most attorneys are part of the communist/democratic party. And they will not defend or put up a defense since their loyalty is to barry the magic zero.

calguyintexas on April 25, 2009 at 11:38 AM

What did you expect from a muslim marxist president? He only cares about how fast he can wreck the country he did not grow up in, the USA.

I only hope I outlive the communist in chief so I can dance in glee at his death.

calguyintexas on April 25, 2009 at 11:23 AM

Take a deep breath and relax. There’s a whole lot of crazy sounding stuff in those two sentences.

Oppose this President on issues…let’s not start talking about anyone dying, please.

Having said that, this is a serious step back in individual rights…and it goes unmentioned in the MSM….really? Are these people so wedded to this President that they’ll abandon all of their beliefs?

When detectives are doing an investigation, they have a job to do. And if you are in the room with them during questioning, being your friend is not one of them.

I said that the Left couldn’t surprise me anymore…I was wrong. The silence on this issue is frightening.

Asher on April 25, 2009 at 11:39 AM

Actually, I always thought the original decision was insane to begin with. They did a lot of crazy things back in the 60′s. But when you combine this with Obama’s attempt to do away with attorney-client priviledge, you see a pattern.

Barak Hussein Obama is not trying to make the legal system more or less liberal – he is trying to do away with it altogether.

logis on April 25, 2009 at 11:40 AM

This guy is quite an idiot.
Well, if its not broke, break it anyway, then break what made it work in the first place and prosecute the ones who made it work. I guess thats the mentality.

Meanwhile… the economy sits. I am paying a credit rate (for about another month anyway) to pay a bailed out institution more money so they can soak me at 29.99% (30% )for the bad practices of defaulted morons and double collect of my butt. I am closing accounts faster than one can imagine, then they’ll get even less of my money. Boy they are so brilliant. I urge everyone to close accounts doing such things. Take the money you save and buy something American with it to keep our people working and fund another party to get these a-holes out of office. This is nuts.

johnnyU on April 25, 2009 at 11:41 AM

This man continues to exhibit a sophomoric effort at being president of the United States. He is beginning to be an embarrassment and a danger to our nation.

The left argues that we cannot expect miracles in just one hundred days. I say that if he has managed to build this crap sandwich in just one hundred days will this nation still be standing at the end of the first year.

If this is what America must endure with a Democratic president and the democrats in charge of both houses of congress We can only hope for REAL CHANGE at midterms.

I keep hearing echoes of “God Damn America”

And Bush, I don’t hold you faultless for it was your poor communication skills and sloppy management that helped get us here. And McCain,….. you’re a freakin shipwreck.

I desperately cling to this nation’s conservatives and pray that one day they’ll have a political party.

Ernest on April 25, 2009 at 11:43 AM

This man continues to exhibit a sophomoric effort at being president of the United States. He is beginning to be an embarrassment and a danger to our nation.

The left argues that we cannot expect miracles in just one hundred days. I say that if he has managed to build this crap sandwich in just one hundred days will this nation still be standing at the end of the first year.

If this is what America must endure with a Democratic president and the democrats in charge of both houses of congress We can only hope for REAL CHANGE at midterms.

I keep hearing echoes of “God Damn America”

And Bush, I don’t hold you faultless for it was your poor communication skills and sloppy management that helped get us here. And McCain,….. you’re a freakin shipwreck.

I desperately cling to this nation’s conservatives and pray that one day they’ll have a political party.

Ernest on April 25, 2009 at 11:43 AM

This man continues to exhibit a sophomoric effort at being president of the United States. He is beginning to be an embarrassment and a danger to our nation.

The left argues that we cannot expect miracles in just one hundred days. I say that if he has managed to build this crap sandwich in just one hundred days will this nation still be standing at the end of the first year.

If this is what America must endure with a Democratic president and the democrats in charge of both houses of congress We can only hope for REAL CHANGE at midterms.

I keep hearing echoes of “God Damn America”

And Bush, I don’t hold you faultless for it was your poor communication skills and sloppy management that helped get us here. And McCain,….. you’re a freakin shipwreck.

I desperately cling to this nation’s conservatives and pray that one day they’ll have a political party.

Ernest on April 25, 2009 at 11:44 AM

NathanG,

You still cannot read accurately! I’ll say it again, I hope I live long enough to dance in glee at the communist in chief’s death. I say this because the rat bastard is younger than I and I actually love this country and the big 0 hates it.

When I die I want this country to be as free as it was when I was a child. And this prick is making it impossible for today’s children to be as free as I was when I was a child.

As far as I’m concerned FREEDOM is more important than any elected leader’s life. Don’t forget that Hitler was elected also, you moron!

calguyintexas on April 25, 2009 at 11:44 AM

After all, if you cannot afford an attorney, one will be preovided for you…well, if an attorney is no longer provided, or apparently necessary…sure makes the round up of dissenters a whole heck of a lot easier over the long run.

coldwarrior on April 25, 2009 at 11:31 AM

No you’ll still get an attorney IN COURT. This ruling applies to having an attorney with you while you’re being questioned by the police. (IE just after an arrest).

I’m sure there’s some, very weak, reasonable rationale behind it (maybe the police asked for it to expedite their efficiency in investigating cases or something) but fighting it because it’s a “meager” right aint it and everything else points right at a tin-foil hat explanation.

Skywise on April 25, 2009 at 11:45 AM

Just more of the same from the left, repeat a lie enough times and you get the picture. I’m not a big conspiracy fan but enough is enough already, whether it’s via omission or straight out lies the media is deliberately distorting the publics perception of nObama. This move by the administration is just step one on the road to eventual repeal of the constitution due to the civil unrest they created!

dmann on April 25, 2009 at 11:45 AM

And Bush, I don’t hold you faultless for it was your poor communication skills and sloppy management that helped get us here. And McCain,….. you’re a freakin shipwreck.

I don’t blame Bush for Obama… that lies square on the shoulders of McCain and his maverick-like saving of America’ financial institutions by voting to destroy them.

I DO blame Bush for not defending himself then and now which led to this situation were in.

Skywise on April 25, 2009 at 11:47 AM

Actually, I always thought the original decision was insane to begin with.
logis on April 25, 2009 at 11:40 AM

Do tell. I’m not up on the decision and am too lazy to look it up just now.

Skywise on April 25, 2009 at 11:48 AM

Just whose president is this guy?

amkun on April 25, 2009 at 10:04 AM

Not mine! It’s getting harder each day to keep the word “loyal” in the phrase “The Loyal Opposition”.

IrishGirl17 on April 25, 2009 at 11:49 AM

With all due respect, the fact that you would take glee in any democratically elected president’s death is at least borderline violent. Every time I read something like what you just said, it reminds me of the a$$holes who wish Bush was dead, and not just by natural causes either. Think about the idiots who took such glee in Reagan’s death. Not a pretty picture.

NathanG on April 25, 2009 at 11:37 AM

+100

If I wanted to read crap like that I’d be over at KOS or HuffPo. We are better than that!

calguyintexas on April 25, 2009 at 11:23 AM

Totally uncool, regardless of your lame explanation.

Knucklehead on April 25, 2009 at 11:49 AM

Another opportunity for the individual States to exercise their rights by rejecting the DOJ position on this. Tell the Feds to pack-it.

Limerick on April 25, 2009 at 11:53 AM

Haha, you constitutional originalists sure are selective in your originalism. There is nothing – nothing in the Constitution that says you have to have a lawyer present during police interrogations.

Post-Miranda, you are allowed to invoke the right to an attorney, but that doesn’t mean you immediately get one. They can just leave you in a cell overnight or whatever. Try questioning you a little later.

Miranda is not part of the Constitution either. Why should the police be required to tell you what your rights are? Shouldn’t you know your rights?

Kagan is right in the sense that this is marginally effective. Most people waive their Miranda rights and confess without an attorney. That’s why the police and prosecutors love Miranda.

You are supposed to have a lawyer for court, not for police interrogations. You are wasting valuable time and resources by requiring public defenders to be dragged in to tell people not to admit their guilt when they’re trying to confess.

There are a fair number of false confessions due to the very coercive (and very legal) methods of police interrogation – Miranda was intended to be a prophylactic measure to ensure protection of rights. For a number of reasons, Obama and no one else will ever roll back Miranda.

Getting rid of this ruling arguably makes things *more* constitutional, since the requirement of a lawyer at a police interrogation is nowhere to be found in the Constitution.

I happen to think this decision is wrong, but this seems like it would be intended to help law enforcement.

Proud Rino on April 25, 2009 at 11:54 AM

Skywise on April 25, 2009 at 11:45 AM

Getting an attorney in court is pretty useless after the government already has you by the short hairs with no ability to have representation before your indictment.

coldwarrior on April 25, 2009 at 11:55 AM

Obama is not a true Marxist – his teachers (Ayers, Franklin, Alinsky, etc.) were Maoists (there’s a difference).

As to Hussein al-Chicago being a Constitutional Scholar, doesn’t he have to publish or perish? His erudite writings would certainly underscore the awesome depth of his understanding, logic and legal theories. One would not be surprised that The One has a better knowledge of the Constitution than the entire SCOTUS going back to Daniel Webster.

OK, I’ve taken my medications. I’ll be fine in a little while.

SeniorD on April 25, 2009 at 11:57 AM

Is this another issue to get people outraged, and divert us from some BIGGER issue?

Either way…this is b.s. He’s essentially giving terrorists civil rights, and rights as a citizen of the U.S., while stripping us, of ours. C’mon liberals. Where’s the outrage at this?

Does this seem reeeeeeally creepy, and scary? They can swipe you off the street, arrest you, and no one would know. Especially if they try to strip you of your rights to a phone call.

capejasmine on April 25, 2009 at 12:01 PM

Getting an attorney in court is pretty useless after the government already has you by the short hairs with no ability to have representation before your indictment.

coldwarrior on April 25, 2009 at 11:55 AM

Yeah but you can be indicted without even being questioned.

Skywise on April 25, 2009 at 12:01 PM

“Are you now or have you ever been a Republican?”

drjohn on April 25, 2009 at 11:33 AM

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With all due respect, the fact that you would take glee in any democratically elected president’s death is at least borderline violent.

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Yeah… I wouldn’t say that out loud, or put it in print… After some quick questioning by the soon to be expanded Obama Civilian Law Enforcement Squad, (sans legal representation) it might become more than what you meant…
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The easy weasel’s way to limit free speech…
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RalphyBoy on April 25, 2009 at 12:01 PM

Does this seem reeeeeeally creepy, and scary? They can swipe you off the street, arrest you, and no one would know. Especially if they try to strip you of your rights to a phone call.

capejasmine on April 25, 2009 at 12:01 PM

Where in the Constitution does it say you’re entitled to a phone call?

Proud Rino on April 25, 2009 at 12:02 PM

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