And I wont apologize for not kissing your civiilian ass. Get over it.

I don’t need anyone to kiss my ass. I do, however, expect public employees to treat the public with the utmost of respect, even if the public criticizes policy policy or actions. It’s your job to respect civilians and be polite to them. Period. They ultimately pay your salary. No business would tolerate its employees acting rudely to customers, let alone stockholders. Many police are rude, belligerent and intimidating as a matter of course. I don’t want people like that enforcing the law because they engender disrespect for the law and law enforcement.

If you don’t think you owe the public respect as a condition of your job you’re on the wrong job.

It is dealing with people like you that sour an otherwise good cop.

Right. Cops abuse people because I’m critical of asshole cops. It’s funny how you don’t say that dealing with bad and corrupt cops sours the good cops. “Good” cops have a higher tolerance for bad cops than they do for civilians who won’t kiss their asses.

Yessa massa officer.

It’s cops like you who minimize the extent and harm of police corruption and abuse that make people who are otherwise sympathetic to law enforcement cynical about the people in your profession.

Too many good cops tolerate bad cops and bad cop behavior. I understand that one day those bad cops may have your back so you cut them slack out of self interest.

The bottom line is that I expect a level of professionalism from police officers.

I respect law enforcement. Unfortunately a large number of assholes are attracted to that work. The minority who are not either assholes or lazy tolerate the assholes and dead weight and will defend the miscreants (or somehow justify, rationalize or legitimize their behavior) if a non-cop dares to criticize them.

There are plenty of assholes in this world. The thing is, though, that an asshole plumber can’t take away your property and your liberty.

When the people enforcing the power of the state act like assholes, we have a serious problem. When their superiors and fellow officers tolerate and defend them, the problem is compounded.

Perhaps the most troubling thing about those incidents of bad cops that I posted is the reaction of their departments.

A signal example is the YouTube video posted of an off-duty cop acting badly, mocking a homicide victim. Instead of being reprimanded, his department launched an investigation of who posted the video on the bullshit pretext that wiretap laws were violated.

It seems that the primary job of police is to protect other police, whether from physical harm or from legitimate criticism.

That is true, much of the good that cops do is under reported, and that is unfortunate. However, even though it is under reported, it is why most people will give the benefit of the doubt to the officer, out of respect for his service. Trust is a fragile thing, and with the drive by media out to get you, police…need to keep a positive image by being extra vigilant in rooting out cops that give cops a bad name.

I won’t apologize for not kissing your cop ass. Get over it.

And I wont apologize for not kissing your civiilian ass. Get over it.

It is dealing with people like you that sour an otherwise good cop.

You’ve made it clear that you won’t risk your life to save a civilian (while I’m pretty sure that you would do so to save a fellow officer – cops lives are worth more to you than civilians).

When did I ever say I wouldnt risk my life? I have done so on many occasions and will do so again. I have saved lives and if you dont think I have I defy you to tell that to the sucidial armed person I managed to bring down without killing OR injuring. Look into his mother’s eyes and tell her that this piece of shit cop is a corrupt, selfish jackass who should kill himself.

I have put myself on the line many times and never once asked for a thank you. You dont get a raise. You don’t get a medal. You most likely dont even get a mention in the paper. You go home, take a shower and do it again the next day. That is a fact of my job and I am ok with it.

What I don’t like is comming to my favorit news site and being told I am corrupt and selfish by a man whose daughter has done more with her life than he has.

I am done answering your inane questions. Go ahead and live your petty little life with that massive chip on your shoulder. I dont care.

Still think the unions is the problem. Its next to impossible to fire bad government employees when they are in a union. Bad teachers, bad cops, bad inspection officers…all employees who get paid from taxpayer dollars should be responsive to taxpayers…we shouldn’t have teachers who are know child molesters get paid picking their nose…because we can’t fire them, so they are warehoused bums. And teachers, cops, etc should be more vigilant in cleaning their own house, because they are running a trust deficit.

I just think it is odd that, if your daughter shares the same hatred of authority that you do, she went and joined something where she is going to be told what to do constantly.

She loves her country. In any case I don’t hate authority, I hate abuse of authority. In any case she did pretty well on her tests and will likely go to Officer Candidate School which means that in addition to being told what to do, she’ll be telling others what to do.

First of all, I dont despise non cops. I despise a petty little seamstress who whines about people he has never even met.

You call me a girl and then say that I’m petty and whining. Boy, that’s mature. What are you going to do next, call me a poopiehead? In any case, I’m no seamstress or tailor. I can barely sew a hem. While I’m an artisan and craftsman, I do machine embroidery, not general sewing. Most seamstresses and tailors have considerable skills and I respect their abilities. They can do plenty of things you can’t, so you should respect them as well.

No one gets paid enough to die. Your daughter joined the military. Is she paid to die?

If it comes to that, yes. She’ll be wearing a target.

If she was told to strap herself to a rocket to be fired at the Taliban, would she do it? Of course not. She is paid to do dangerous work, not intentionally get herself killed.

While our military will not order people on suicide missions, we have a free country because for 232 years Americans have willingly laid down their lives for their country. While it’s considered above and beyond the call of duty, it’s still part of military culture. While our police departments are increasingly militarized, that is one aspect of military culture that I doubt will be embraced by local police departments. You’ve made it clear that if you have a choice of risking your life to save my kid or punching out and going home, you’ll let my kid die.

You’ve made it clear that you won’t risk your life to save a civilian (while I’m pretty sure that you would do so to save a fellow officer – cops lives are worth more to you than civilians).

You dont like what I have to say so you tell me to kill myself? Nice.

Tell me please, what does “stuff it” mean? Also, have I personally insulted you as you have done to me? Have I called you a moron or questioned your manhood?

The vast majority of news stories about police are when someone is injured by the police or when a cop is corrupt. Why?

Because a significant number of police officers are corrupt.

A fact of life for embroiderers is that thread breaks. It’s normal. How do I know that? Because embroidery machines have thread break sensors.

A fact of life is that a significant number of cops are corrupt. How do I know that? Because police departments have internal affairs bureaus. Are the corrupt cops a minority of LEOs? Probably, but police corruption and abuse are a fact of life.

How do you feel about IABs? Ever call them the “rat squad” or hear a fellow law exploitation officer use that term?

When normal civilians see a list of cop corruption like I posted, they are appalled. You, however, dismiss it.

I won’t apologize for not kissing your cop ass. Get over it.

I’ve been called an idiot and garbage by your fellow officers. Somehow I think that calling someone garbage is worse than saying that they are incipient fascists. You don’t like cops being called fascist or authoritarian? Well, like Bob Marley said, if the shoe fit let dem wear it.

And I responded to your posts with respect, answered your questions, conceded points and did so without resorting to petty snide remarks. You just couldnt keep yourself from taking swipes at me and law enforcement in general.

Your daughter joined the Navy? She has my respect.
She shares many of my values an beliefs about authoritarians.

I don’t know your daughter so I wont say anything bad about her. I just think it is odd that, if your daughter shares the same hatred of authority that you do, she went and joined something where she is going to be told what to do constantly.

I never screamed for anyone to die for me. I just think that the safety of civilians and the public is a higher priority than the safety of cops. You and your fellow law exploitation officers have made it exceedingly clear that you despise non-cops and think that cops’ lives are more valuable than those of civilians.

First of all, I dont despise non cops. I despise a petty little seamstress who whines about people he has never even met.

And yes, cops go in to dangerous situations on a regular basis, but they are not paid to die. No one gets paid enough to die. Your daughter joined the military. Is she paid to die? If she was told to strap herself to a rocket to be fired at the Taliban, would she do it? Of course not. She is paid to do dangerous work, not intentionally get herself killed.

Do us a big favor since the last thing we need are police officers with your attitude. Please swallow your service pistol and we’ll all be safer. Cops like you who despise civilians are a danger to society.

rokemronnie on April 25, 2009 at 4:19 PM

You dont like what I have to say so you tell me to kill myself? Nice.

And if you think quoting a bunch of stories about police corruption proves anything, you are an even bigger idiot than I thought. The vast majority of news stories about police are when someone is injured by the police or when a cop is corrupt. Why? Because a cop doing his job correctly dosent make the news unless he kills someone.

I don’t think government unions should be illegal, but it should be illegal for them to make any sort of political contributions. Public employee unions making contributions to the politicians who negotiate with them is an obvious opportunity for corruption.

Look at Andy Stern who runs SEIU. When Gov. Blogo of Illinois was playing eBay with Obama’s senate seat, Stern had material knowledge that Blogo was corrupt and solicited a bribe and all he did was tell the gov that he’d run it up the pole and see what his members wanted to do. He apparently felt no great civic need to inform law enforcement of his knowledge of the gov’s corruption.

The crutch of the matter is, unions. It should be illegal to have a government union…government is already a monopoly…and unions make it that much more difficult for government to respond to public feedback..
And police officers need to realize, bad cops hurt all cops.

The actual Marley lyric is “if the cap fit let them wear it”.

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=5970514

Jack Guenon was his PD’s officer of the year in 2004, but when he exposed shortcomings in his department he was investigated, put on leave and then fired.

Guenon submitted a complaint to the Midvale city manager. It alleged questionable discipline practices and sloppy operating procedures. Guenon also pointed to low morale, high turnover and a cop shop that had become a hostile work environment.

Guenon turned to federal authorities over the Midvale Police Department improperly storing 50 pounds of explosives in closets at the police station, which sits next to apartments.

If the explosives had gone off, Guenon said, “It would’ve killed a lot of people, a lot of people.”

Once Guenon got federal investigators on the case, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms or ATF, ordered the Midvale Police Department to move the explosives immediately, due to public safety.

Then there were the vacation photos Guenon found on a computer the city assigned to him. They showed a group of Midvale officers and their families enjoying an R-rated getaway at a lake. One of the outfits was flat out see-through. And, they’re being filmed dancing in skimpy lingerie in front of children.

I wonder what you cops think of Geunon.

From Radley Balko:

Just a couple of weeks of police misconduct:

# Police captain fired after stealing from department fund for another fired police officer. Injustice in Seattle asks, will there be a fund for him, too?

# The director of Omaha’s crime scene investigation unit has been charged with felony evidence tampering. I first wrote about this case last December. It includes a false confession from a mentally handicapped man after a police interrogator said that unless he admitted to the murder, he’d do “do my level best to hang your ass from the highest tree.”

# Miami-Dade cop steals money and drugs from arrestees. Internal affairs tries in vain for three years to get him off the force. Doesn’t happen until he actually shoots and nearly kills a man.

#Video of Rogue Philly Narcotics Unit in Action
Monday, April 6th, 2009

A couple of weeks ago, I posted about a rogue narcotics unit within the Philadelphia police department that was terrorizing grocery stores owned by immigrants. All of the raided store owners told a similar story: The unit raided under the pretense that the stores were selling small plastic bags commonly used by drug dealers to package narcotics. The cops then disconnected the stores’ security cameras. Once the cameras were disconnected, they then looted the stores of snack food, cigarettes, and cash. According to store owners, the official police reports often underreported the amount of cashed seized from the stores.

# Chicago will pay out $288,000 in damages resulting from a 2006 drug raid on a bar on the southwest side of the city. Drug charges against two bar patrons were dropped after surveillance video showed officers had lied in their police report about what happened after the raid began.

# A Phoenix couple has settled with the town of Gilbert, Arizona for $185,000 after an officer tossed a flashbang grenade through a window during a raid on their home. The grenade landed on a bed, caught the bed on fire, and burned the couple’s home to the ground.

# The ACLU is suing over a series of raids in Riverside, California in which police targeted black-owned barbershops. Though they were drug raids, the actions were couched as “health inspections,” obviating the need for a search warrant. I’ve seen quite of few of these stories, lately–where police conduct drug raids under the guise of a regulatory inspection to get around the need for a search warrant. It’s troubling.

# Philly cop takes journalism student through black neighborhood. J-student reports that during the ride-along, the cop refers to residents as “animals,” and the crimes he polices as “typical nigger shit.” He then adds, “People hate us here. They spit at us.” I wonder why.

# Two Baltimore cops face federal indictment for beating a teen while the kid was shackled, then covering it up with the aid of their sergeant. Incredibly, one of the cops has been suspended with pay since 2004, even though he was convicted of assault in 2005.

# Phoenix police raid the home of a blogger who had set up a police watch website. They also have been raiding the homes of police officers suspected of giving the guy tips about officer misconduct, including one officer who was blackballed in the department for going public about mishandling of evidence in the city’s crime lab.

# According to those who have viewed it, a dash camera video into a fatal police shooting in Fort Wayne, Indiana last year shows the shooting to be unprovoked. But Fort Wayne’s mayor refuses to make the video available to the public, stating he’s keeping the video under wraps out of respect for the victim’s family. The officer in question has been cleared of any wrongdoing.

# Federal lawsuit claims police planted a gun after shooting an unarmed 16-year-old kid eight times, killing him. The gun police claim to have found on the scene had no fingerprints (though the police chief said otherwise in public statements), and was shown to have been in police possession at the time of the burglary (it had been seized after a burglary). According to the lawsuit, the police then filed a separate report 10 days later that swapped in a new gun. You can see security stills from the chase here. At least one video expert claims they show no gun. Doesn’t look like it to me, either.

# The city of Santa Fe has settled with a man beaten by police officers in 2006. The settlement came after the man was able to get a court to force the city to turn over a dash cam video of the beating–a video the city tried to claim didn’t exist. The man was initially charged with felonies for assaulting the police officers. A jury acquitted him in 20 minutes. The two officers who beat him are still on the force.

#Video of Erie Cop Mocking Homicide Victim Appears on YouTube. Erie PD Launches Investigation. . . To Find Out Who Posted It

#Allen County, Indiana cops seize $26,000 from a motorist. No drugs. No criminal charges. They just took his money. The article says, “First, the driver said it was to buy a car, according to the police report. Then, he said it came from working at various jobs.” Uh, couldn’t both be true?

perceived grievance

It wasn’t a perceived grievance and was certainly more substantial than most of the disability claims made by law exploitation officers.

I asked a cop a polite question acknowledging his authority and instead of responding professionally and politely he went off on me for no reason at all other than his ego that apparently perceived me as not kissing his ass. I obeyed his order and left the scene but that wasn’t enough salve for his bruised ego.

The thing is, as a cop, you are far more aware of police misconduct than I am. You know exactly what rules to bend to fuck up someone’s life just because you’re having a bad day. You also have probably ignored such behavior and you know that on your side of the blue line you will never be on the receiving end of such treatment.

Also, you do know a lot of ex military join law enforcement, right?

Sure. They’re probably a good chunk of the 20% of cops who actually serve the public. That figure, btw, isn’t mine, it’s Jack Dunphy’s a LAPD cop who writes for the National Review.

I have tried to stay away from the name calling, unlike yourself, but you are just a petty little moron who lashes out at police because of some perceived grievance from your past.

I’ve been called an idiot and garbage by your fellow officers. Somehow I think that calling someone garbage is worse than saying that they are incipient fascists. You don’t like cops being called fascist or authoritarian? Well, like Bob Marley said, if the shoe fit let dem wear it.

Your daughter joined the Navy? She has my respect.

She shares many of my values an beliefs about authoritarians.

You? Someone who screams for officer’s to die for him yet has done nothing to deserve such a sacrifice?

I never screamed for anyone to die for me. I just think that the safety of civilians and the public is a higher priority than the safety of cops. You and your fellow law exploitation officers have made it exceedingly clear that you despise non-cops and think that cops’ lives are more valuable than those of civilians.

I tell you what I would tell any moron: Stuff it.

Do us a big favor since the last thing we need are police officers with your attitude. Please swallow your service pistol and we’ll all be safer. Cops like you who despise civilians are a danger to society.

KVIA-TV is based in El Paso, Texas, not Albuquerque, New Mexico.

Loxodonta on April 25, 2009 at 1:06 PM

Thanks for the correction; I was wrong.

SnakeintheGrass on April 25, 2009 at 7:51 AM

By your own admission you are an officer of the law, correct? It bothers me that as an officer of the law you don’t seem to understand that the constitution was written to protect the average citizen from abuse of power, specifically police power. A police officer has the authority to kill, point blank, a citizen, to cuff them, to hit with a knight stick…the military doesn’t have that authority…they are not allowed to police the general public. Only a police officer has that authority. Now I am not challenging that authority, however it bothers me when cops think they are Judge Dredd, even worse…when fellow cops don’t see Judge Dredd as the enemy.

Are we seeing the beginnings of the new Gestapo? Not yet I think, but one has to wonder if the Dems wouldn’t like that control over the press that they don’t like.

Prediction: Jesse Waters is the next to be arrested; there is no way that the Libs will let him continue to embarass them like they did at the GE stockholders meeting…

carbon_footprint on April 25, 2009 at 12:13 PM

This story is from ABC-7 KVIA-TV reporter Darren Hunt.

KVIA-TV is based in El Paso, Texas, not Albuquerque, New Mexico.

Perhaps the reporters were getting in the way.

They were on the inside shoulder on the opposite side of the road.

Perhaps the officer is just an unprofessional mental case.

On the police force? Really? I can’t imagine such a thing….

I’m rooting for the cop.

American Elephant on April 25, 2009 at 5:55 AM

I wish his crotch would have hung up on the fence while jumping over the fence.

Whether in the USA or Haditha, I’m going to go with the guys who put their lives on the line for us first.

Protecting and serving, putting their lives on the line for us… whatever. 95% of what law enforcement does these days is tax collection and nothing more. Where real protecting and serving is needed they are usually inexperienced, late, or no-shows.
Blindly supporting law enforcement is not only nothing more than political correctness – it can be dangerous. I love Mark Levin but I cringe everytime he brings it up. I’m sure if I lived in his neighborhood or drove his car I would love and respect them too. But I don’t, so we give law enforcement a pass instead of holding them accountable when they cross the line.