Video: Jackass cop arrests reporter for no reason
posted at 5:55 pm on April 24, 2009 by Allahpundit
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To cleanse the palate, think of this as “the taser vid that wasn’t.” You know he wants to use the taser, you know he’s thinking of using the taser — but the reporter simply never gives him a pretext to do so. I’m almost disappointed: There’s no thread on HA so fun as when I post a clip of police misbehavior and a few commenters inevitably show up to defend the cop, no matter how horribly or moronically he’s acting.
I’m looking forward to finding out how this guy’s getting a bad rap. He was put on desk duty after the footage aired, you’ll be pleased to know.
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Heh, west of Houston.
SnakeintheGrass on April 25, 2009 at 2:32 AM
rokemronnie on April 25, 2009 at 2:20 AM
Exactly, which is why my trust with cops has gone down, and why I said the cops actions against the reporter hurts him and his fellow officers more than any perceived threat the reporter gave him. His action cost public trust. A lone sheriff can manage a town of 10,000 without much problem, if the town trusts him to do his job with the honor they gave him. Betray that trust, then he will have a rebellion on his hands that can’t be managed until the town is burned to the ground. This is why Glenn Beck, myself and others are sounding the warning bell…there is a trust problem, government…listen to us and fix the problem already.
Conservative Voice on April 25, 2009 at 2:34 AM
For those of you here who have posted with respect for basic American values, thank you for a very interesting and informative debate. Good night.
And for those of you who did not. You know who you are, and what that means. Good night to you as well.
Loxodonta on April 25, 2009 at 2:35 AM
You may not care for me all that much but I have to agree with you on that one. Once a ruleing has been made it should be followed and that Chief is out of line by defying it. I understand is concern for officer saftey but someone should not be detained for doing something that is legal.
SnakeintheGrass on April 25, 2009 at 2:35 AM
It’s based on the empirical results of asking cops if they work for the public. Snake essentially proved my point when he said he worked for the police department. Regardless of my credentials, a true statement is still a true statement.
rokemronnie on April 25, 2009 at 2:37 AM
Wow, you guys are STILL arguing about this a$$hat dancing around in the median of a major highway trying to chase down a story?
HornetSting on April 25, 2009 at 2:37 AM
When you have the authority to give me orders and control my paycheck I’ll say I work for you. Until then, I work for the police department.
We kinda got sidetracked, heh
SnakeintheGrass on April 25, 2009 at 2:39 AM
Snake, you’re a cop?
HornetSting on April 25, 2009 at 2:41 AM
yeah
SnakeintheGrass on April 25, 2009 at 2:42 AM
In Texas, I would assume….since Snake in the Grass was one of my nicknames in HS and I’m from Tx.
HornetSting on April 25, 2009 at 2:43 AM
How come so few departments use foot patrols? It seems to me that a cop walking a beat is more likely to be approachable and feel like a part of the community than riding in a Crown Vic with a shotgun leaning on the dashboard.
There was a problem in my neighborhood with some muggings and I was pleasantly surprised to notice they (at least temporarily) had an officer patrol on foot. The muggers can spot a cop car from a distance.
A cop car cruising through a low income apartment complex gives off the vibe of an occupying force. Take the cops out of the cruisers and have them patrol on foot and the residents will get to know them and start treating them like humans.
I suspect, though, that some cops would rather be seen as an intimidating occupying force.
rokemronnie on April 25, 2009 at 2:44 AM
I was just glad to be able to have a civil discussion here for a change. I ignored the uncivil people.
coldshot on April 25, 2009 at 2:45 AM
My primary beef with cops is their reflexive defense of any and all things cop. Well, that and their incipient fascism.
rokemronnie on April 25, 2009 at 2:45 AM
Officer safety. What are you thinking, this is the fifties?
HornetSting on April 25, 2009 at 2:46 AM
You can see how that kind of attitude, particularly from the chief of a PD, might cause people to mistrust cops. The guy is brazenly ignoring state law as well as court rulings because he thinks the safety of his “troops” is more important than citizens rights.
rokemronnie on April 25, 2009 at 2:50 AM
It is actually a matter of response time. Most places cant afford to have a cop on every block. A cop on foot patrol IS more approachable and more community oriented but a lot of city layouts just cant allow for it.
My department’s average response time is 2 minutes. We cant run the risk of having a 20 minute response time to an assault in progress or attempted sucide.
SnakeintheGrass on April 25, 2009 at 2:51 AM
Are there snipers shooting at cops walking a beat? I think officer safety would be enhanced by foot patrols. People get to know them as actual people and gain trust.
What’s more important, safe police or a safe community?
rokemronnie on April 25, 2009 at 2:52 AM
Let’s try for both.
coldshot on April 25, 2009 at 2:55 AM
The balance between the peoples rights and officer saftey is hard to maintain. A lot of “the officer was rude to me” complaints stem from the officer attempting to maintain control of a situation. But in this case the Chief is going to far. He might as well say they are going to stop every car on the road to determine if it is transporting drugs. As long as the person isnt breaking any other laws it really isnt that big of a saftey issue.
SnakeintheGrass on April 25, 2009 at 2:56 AM
It depends on the area. To me, what’s more important? Both, safe police and a safe community. The community has to cooperate with their local police in order to have a ’safe’ community, namely, when they witness a crime or hear something about a crime, that they let the police know so that they are able to apprehend the suspect.
BTW, what do you do for a living? You seem to have a really strange need for our cops to get their heads blown off for ‘the communties’ needs….
HornetSting on April 25, 2009 at 2:56 AM
Patrolling is really a deterent to crime rather than something used to detect crime.
Not saying it is right or wrong, just how it is.
SnakeintheGrass on April 25, 2009 at 2:26 AM
And that is the point, and one of the reasons why I am for a large and powerful military…it deters war. I don’t really care if the tagger gets caught…that’s just icing on the cake.
As far as walking the beat…that is a good idea. I can understand the costs involved…but again its a trust issue. When the community knows officer bob…and officer bob knows his fellow citizens…relationships of trust can be built.
Conservative Voice on April 25, 2009 at 3:00 AM
See, this is America. We have these things called elections and elected officials. Those elected officials set police policy (well, when the police don’t ignore them like the Milwaukee chief), give orders to your superiors, and most definitely control your paycheck. In a very real sense you work for the mayor and city council (or city manager who is himself hired by elected officials). If you don’t believe that, go ahead and piss off the mayor and council and watch them try to get you fired (and if the union contract permits it, you’re history). Those elected officials work for the residents of that city.
If you work for the people who work for me, you’re working for me. Public employees work for the public. If you don’t think of yourself as a public employee you’re welcome to give up your golden pension that is only available to public employees.
Why do you cops so resent the idea that you work for the public? It’s a common attitude among cops and strikes me as deliberately dismissive and disrespectful of civilians.
In America the army and the police work for civilians. If you don’t like that, move to a police state.
With the Democrats expanding the size of government the last thing we need is more public employees who don’t feel accountable to the public.
rokemronnie on April 25, 2009 at 3:01 AM
No reason? Really?!? I’m pretty sure I heard him tell the reporter to get into his truck and move away from the scene several times… I understand the right of the press to cover ‘news stories’ like bleeding corpses strewn on the highway, but the reality is a peace officer was giving this reporter an order in the interest of public safety. It appeared to me that there were many gawkers at the scene and that the police officer was trying to get traffic cleared an moving again. Anyone, who willfully disregards the orders of a police officer at any time, but especially on a busy highway deserves to be cuffed.
The reporter could have gotten completely off the highway and called witnesses over to his location to interview them. I really don’t see what the big deal is here. Cop gives order, reporter disobeys order, cop detains reporter.
monotonousboy on April 25, 2009 at 3:06 AM
In my suburb of Detroit they seem to have enough cops on duty that whenever a suspected felon is pulled over they end up having as many as a dozen police cruisers on the scene. As I pointed out, when there was a street crime issue, they indeed assigned an officer to foot patrol.
I like the story (perhaps apocryphal) of someone reporting a break in on their property and the police dispatcher told them that they’d send out an officer when they had one to spare. The homeowner waited a few minutes and when there was no response he called back and said that he had a gun and was going to shoot the burglars. Lots of lights and sirens in less than a minute. “I thought you said you had a gun”. “I thought you said you had no officers to spare”.
rokemronnie on April 25, 2009 at 3:07 AM
rokemronnie on April 25, 2009 at 3:01 AM
I too find that baffling. If your check is paid for by tax dollars, you are working as a public servant. The Police Chief may sign the check, but it isn’t his money he is paying you with.
Conservative Voice on April 25, 2009 at 3:07 AM
That statement sounds exactly like what you have been objecting to.
coldshot on April 25, 2009 at 3:07 AM
What you seem to forget is that I vote and I pay taxes as well. I work for you just as much as I work for myself.
Those politicians who “work for you”? They only work for you insofar as to get your vote. They are under no obligation to actually do anything you want.
You (and I) vote.
The elected officals make the laws.
The police enforce the laws on you (and me).
If you dont like the laws passed you vote in someone else. Someone, I might add, that may or may not do what you wish.
I dont resent the idea that I work for the public, I just don’t understand why people have this notion in their heads that they have direct control over police action. The
control you and I have is indirectly in the ballot box.
SnakeintheGrass on April 25, 2009 at 3:12 AM
rokemronnie, police have to keep people at arm’s length and they use ‘officer presence’ to make sure that a situation does not escalate. If a cop can end a potential problem without having to pull a gun….then people complain that they were not treated right. If the cop has to beat them with a nightstick, it is usually the cop that is on trial, not the perp that may have threatened the cop. It seems that no one has a backbone in government any longer. If a complaint comes in, the cop is immediately on the defensive because of possible bad publicity. It is no wonder that cops are aloof or stand offish, they just don’t want to have to deal with the potential problem that will result if someone gets their ‘feelings’ hurt.
HornetSting on April 25, 2009 at 3:14 AM
Your area is fortunate enough to be able to afford it. In my area you are lucky to have a third officer present during a felony stop.
SnakeintheGrass on April 25, 2009 at 3:17 AM
I have never been that way myself but I understand why some officers come accross as more aggressive. When you spend most of your time dealing with drunks, crack heads and wife beaters it is hard not to start looking down on people.
SnakeintheGrass on April 25, 2009 at 3:20 AM
I wouldn’t say ‘looking down’ on people, just keeping your distance. Cops are under such a microscope nowadays that they want to do their job and go on to the next call.
HornetSting on April 25, 2009 at 3:21 AM
I’m tempted to say something rude but I won’t. I have a small embroidery business and also do some automotive writing.
I don’t know how advocating foot patrols (something many PDs do) is equivalent to wanting cops get their heads blown off.
You may be married to a cop but unfortunately I may be closer to a situation of a cop getting his head blown off. A cop was shot and killed in my older daughter’s apartment building, actually in front of her door, because he made the mistake of giving a punk a break who fought with him and managed to get the officer’s service handgun. My younger daughter also knew the officer as he’d been the responder when she was mugged. A nice guy with a wife and a baby. I was at the crime scene that day, securing her door with a padlock because the first responders broke it down looking for the perp (she was out of town at the time). Actually I had been at the apartment about 30 min before the shooting, feeding my granddaughter’s goldfish. The crime scene techs and detectives were still on the scene when I was attaching shackles to the door so it could be secured. Officer Samborski’s blood and brains were all over her door and the carpet and the first responders tracked some into her apartment. Fortunately the carpet was replaced before my granddaughter got home from visiting her dad.
What you said about me was vile and you should apologize.
I want effective and just police work, not dead cops or abused citizens.
rokemronnie on April 25, 2009 at 3:24 AM
Not at all. This is a free society. Those who don’t wish to live in a free society are welcome to move to a police state. As long as I’m not forcing them to do so your comment is way off base.
rokemronnie on April 25, 2009 at 3:27 AM
I’m not defending rokemronnie. I’m not defending Police Officers. I’m not defending law breakers.
Your comment though forces me to defend any one that has been mistreated by rokemronnie or Police Officers or law breakers. If any of those commit a crime regardless of their affiliation they should be punished equally under the law. rokemronnie I only used your name as an example I don’t have any reason to believe that you are a law breaker, although that opinion could change…Just kidding.
coldshot on April 25, 2009 at 3:29 AM
rokemronnie on April 25, 2009 at 3:24 AM
Can we ban this troll already? Enoughs enough
Ugly on April 25, 2009 at 3:31 AM
I don’t feel that I need to give you an apology, you said it yourself:
That’s quite a story, with the all the gory details, but as far as I am concerned, I would rather have my husband come home at the end of the day then worry about some ‘perps’ second chance. My husband’s situation is a bit different, but you were all over the place, denouncing cop’s behavior and saying things like, let’s see:
I don’t believe you have the cop’s safety in mind when you say things like this, regardless if you are angry at a particular action of a cop. So, no, you won’t be getting an apology from me.
HornetSting on April 25, 2009 at 3:31 AM
Ugly, he is not a troll. Trolls knock you off topic and say things that don’t make sense. Though I may not agree with what rokemronnie is saying, he is making a point and backing it up with what he believes it true.
HornetSting on April 25, 2009 at 3:34 AM
rokemronnie, you have asked some valid questions and made some good points but when you keep sprinkling in odd blanket statements (like calling police facists) and personal attacks what you have to say loses its impact.
SnakeintheGrass on April 25, 2009 at 3:35 AM
That’s because having been a part of cop culture you automatically translate “you work for me” to “I can tell you what to do”. Since PDs are a hierarchy with people giving orders to be followed, I suppose it’s natural for cops to think that, but the bottom line is that you’re a public employee. I have a say in who your boss is so that makes you at least partly my subordinate and as such your default position should be to treat me with respect, not intimidation.
I don’t have to take that kind of crap from other public employees so why should I take it from a cop? Obviously, for practical reasons it’s best to avoid conflicts with police officers since they can kill you or take away your liberty. Giving attitude to cops is not usually prudent because you never know when some lunatic cop will go off on you. That doesn’t mean I have to like the situation.
To use a rough analogy a lot of people make the mistake of saying that the federal government has “three equal branches”. The fact is, however, that Congress can fire the president and Congress can fire Supreme Court justices through the impeachment process. If they can fire you, they’re no equal to you.
rokemronnie on April 25, 2009 at 3:36 AM
HornetSting on April 25, 2009 at 3:34 AM
Ugly on April 25, 2009 at 3:37 AM
I know, Ugly. I know.
HornetSting on April 25, 2009 at 3:39 AM
I didn’t call them fascists. I called them incipient fascists. Authorities tend to be authoritarian.
To be honest, I’ve deliberately used some over the top rhetoric because Ugly is, well, ugly in attitude.
rokemronnie on April 25, 2009 at 3:39 AM
Ok rokemronnie you’re the boss. Is that what you want to hear?
coldshot on April 25, 2009 at 3:41 AM
You know what? What is it you KNOW? I don’t take kindly to condescension. You defended that garbage. I want to know why.
Ugly on April 25, 2009 at 3:42 AM
Hey, look, you’re barkin’ up the wrong tree man… if you read my entire post, I’m trying (desperately) to give the benefit of the doubt… I’m just saying that the cop, in this situation, appeared to be going overboard with the “stop resisting” stuff… I don’t see the reporter “resisting”… again, read my entire comment. I gave as much benefit of the doubt to the cop as possible. I just mention the “stop resisting” point as a time when he suddenly went (seemingly) overboard. But again, I want to see the preceding events.
RightWinged on April 25, 2009 at 3:42 AM
And saying that cops are incipient fascists is not, rokemronnie? Do you know how hard it is to control my temper when people say things like that? My husband is out there protecting an uncaring public. Most of the people are not even worth it, but that is his job. And then, sitting on your little throne, you belittle what they do.
HornetSting on April 25, 2009 at 3:43 AM
You truly don’t know what the hell you are talking about, do you? Idiot.
Blake on April 25, 2009 at 3:43 AM
This guy will tell you the moon is blue one day and deny it the next.
That was a DIRECT QUOTE.
Ugly on April 25, 2009 at 3:44 AM
I’m not being condescending, ugly. I agree with you. If I could go thru the computer and throttle some sense into this guy, I would. But, like most of the general public, it’s not worth the trouble. I didn’t defend him, he is an ass, but compared to getalife and capitulus, who could never make a point, he is not a troll.
HornetSting on April 25, 2009 at 3:45 AM
Ugly on April 25, 2009 at 3:31 AM
give me a break…disagree with the guy on his points instead of throwing out the troll alert.
Ugly on April 25, 2009 at 3:37 AM
Do you know what fascism is? If so, take him to task on “misuse” of the word instead of using it as a flag that he is a troll.
Conservative Voice on April 25, 2009 at 3:45 AM
HornetSting on April 25, 2009 at 3:45 AM
We agree on most everything. We disagree on whether or not he/she’s a troll.
Ugly on April 25, 2009 at 3:48 AM
Fair enough.
HornetSting on April 25, 2009 at 3:49 AM
Please school me. And pretend I don’t know.
Ugly on April 25, 2009 at 3:49 AM
Nah, I’d rather hear (in a female voice) “Zug me zayde”.
With apologies to Lenny Bruce.
rokemronnie on April 25, 2009 at 3:50 AM
coldshot on April 25, 2009 at 3:41 AM
Yes, that is the understanding I want to hear from all public officials. Teachers, Senators, Presidents, Police Officers…because it is we the people who are in charge, and that as long as a citizen is obeying the law, the governing class needs to go out of their way to honor the authority they are borrowing from the people.
Conservative Voice on April 25, 2009 at 3:51 AM
Just spotted this:
Yes actually, I am. Heh.
SnakeintheGrass on April 25, 2009 at 3:51 AM
WOW, I can see you care about your husband and that is great, but “uncaring public” and “Most of the people are not even worth it” might be a little extreme.
coldshot on April 25, 2009 at 3:52 AM
You do know what condescension means, don’t you?
I guess calling someone a fascist is worse than calling a human being garbage.
rokemronnie on April 25, 2009 at 3:52 AM
I’m from San Antonio, but now living in NM. I miss Texas! Only two cops for a felony stop, you must live in a small town.
HornetSting on April 25, 2009 at 3:53 AM
Ugly on April 25, 2009 at 3:49 AM
You are the one who raised the flag, so you are the one that needs to prove your point, not the other way around.
Conservative Voice on April 25, 2009 at 3:53 AM
Don’t start.
HornetSting on April 25, 2009 at 3:54 AM
It seems that Ugly takes exception to HornetSting for disagreeing with him ever so slightly, even though they are fundamentally in agreement.
It appears that unless you completely agree with Ugly, you’re evil.
Now what was that we were saying about authoritarians and fascists?
rokemronnie on April 25, 2009 at 3:55 AM
Depends on where you live and the fact that half of the voting public voted for a socialist.
HornetSting on April 25, 2009 at 3:55 AM
Yeah, and that second cop is usually a deputy or a trooper, heh. You gotta make due with what you got.
SnakeintheGrass on April 25, 2009 at 3:56 AM
:/
What?
Ugly on April 25, 2009 at 3:57 AM
Most of the people “are not even worth it”, but I’m the one sitting on a throne belittling people. In your world royalty wears blue, not purple.
rokemronnie on April 25, 2009 at 3:57 AM
You’re not helping your case. What I see when I see you is someone that has a problem with authority. You are the one holding the camera while good, hardworking cops are subduing a suspect, hoping for that ‘Rodney King Moment’ so that you can sell it to CNN and make the cops look like the bad guys that you are. Trouble is, one day, you will need those….ahem, fascists, and they will help you and then, you will realize.
HornetSting on April 25, 2009 at 3:57 AM
Cop culture is just dripping with respect for the people they were hired to serve.
rokemronnie on April 25, 2009 at 3:58 AM
Now, you are acting like a troll.
HornetSting on April 25, 2009 at 3:59 AM
Ugly on April 25, 2009 at 3:57 AM
You are the one who is calling ron a troll because he used the word fascist…you raised the troll flag. So prove your point already.
Conservative Voice on April 25, 2009 at 3:59 AM
Green, actually.
HornetSting on April 25, 2009 at 4:00 AM
Oh now here’s a new low. And he’s not a troll. Nope.
HornetSting has my utmost respect. I wish i could say the same for you.
Ugly on April 25, 2009 at 4:01 AM
You don’t even know what a direct quote is. The “direct quote” was “their incipient fascism”. You’re sensitive to condescension but I don’t think you know what the word incipient means. Most cops aren’t fully fledged authoritarians (which I’ll agree is a more accurate term than fascist because it’s ideology free), just beginners.
rokemronnie on April 25, 2009 at 4:03 AM
I wasn’t looking at it from a political view but from a regular view say like my mom or sisters or nieces and nephews that do appreciate the protection they get from the Police.
coldshot on April 25, 2009 at 4:03 AM
For the third time….
Ugly on April 25, 2009 at 4:04 AM
That’s it in a nutshell. The police have to protect everyone, even rokemronnie as part of their job. He just has a problem with authority. He’s one of those that will get hit by a car, rather than listen to the cop trying to keep him safe.
HornetSting on April 25, 2009 at 4:06 AM
Ok, you just convinced me you have no argument.
coldshot on April 25, 2009 at 4:07 AM
I know this isn’t direct enough:
Oops. I did it again.
Ugly on April 25, 2009 at 4:08 AM
And on that note, my husband will be home early. Good night all. Have a great weekend!
HornetSting on April 25, 2009 at 4:08 AM
G’nite HS
Ugly on April 25, 2009 at 4:10 AM
Ugly on April 25, 2009 at 4:04 AM
And for the third time, how is that being trollish? And how is he wrong? ( I am not saying, and I seriously doubt ron is saying cops have Hitler in their locker that they all hail to…) so what is ron saying? how is he wrong…if you don’t know, ask clarifying questions instead of being quick to judge him to be a troll. For that matter I could call you a troll…you are disagreeing with the great Allahpundit are you not?
Conservative Voice on April 25, 2009 at 4:11 AM
Like I said, I’m an American so I’m allergic to authority.
Actually, the last time I needed a cop I was hit by a car on my bicycle. He was a block away, the accident was in his line of sight but he was too busy surveilling a no right turn on red intersection to notice the a car/bicycle accident. How important could an injury accident be when compared to generating revenue? Though I wasn’t seriously injured, I did have bruised ribs and a bruised tailbone.
My hand dented the C pillar and my thigh dented the rear fender so there must have been some noise, but the cop didn’t realize there was something wrong until he heard someone (me) screaming at him for sitting on his ass like a lazy so and so.
Then he came over and though the motorist passed me and then turned into my path, cutting me off, the cop was angry with me for daring to call him out and he wrote up the report saying that I rode into the car without mentioning that the guy cut me off.
I later sent a copy of the report and a diagram of the accident to his superiors.
If it was up to cops they’d be completely unaccountable. If you notice, none of the cops or cop apologists here have offered their true opinion of internal affairs bureaus.
rokemronnie on April 25, 2009 at 4:16 AM
Are you his mother? I’m just sayin…
coldshot on April 25, 2009 at 4:18 AM
God, what a humorless bunch.
rokemronnie on April 25, 2009 at 4:18 AM
Conservative Voice on April 25, 2009 at 4:11 AM
Allahpundit is not infallible. Yes, I disagree with his post. I don’t have a problem with publicly disagreeing with him. Sometimes passionately.
Who is Ron, anyway? Seems like you know someone on HA in a personal way. ron ron ron…
And to answer your question: I won’t. I feel no obligation to do so.
Ugly on April 25, 2009 at 4:20 AM
OK, I didn’t get it.
coldshot on April 25, 2009 at 4:21 AM
God I hope not. I wouldn’t wish my mother on anyone. She’s way crazier than I am.
Conservative is just engaging in some intellectual honesty. You guys should try it sometime.
FWIW, it’d be interesting to hear Ugly define what a troll is. I’m not hijacking the thread, I’m staying on topic, and I’m not being any more inflammatory or provocative than the guys calling me “idiot” and “garbage”.
rokemronnie on April 25, 2009 at 4:22 AM
That makes two of us.
Ugly on April 25, 2009 at 4:22 AM
Following HS’s lead…. I am off to press my bunk
Ugly on April 25, 2009 at 4:24 AM
Dude, we have police because we believe it benefits our free society to not have you criminal types operating unhindered.
You are welcome to move somewhere without police. Pakistan might work out for you. You won’t find too many converts on this site to your lawlessness agenda.
Buddahpundit on April 25, 2009 at 4:26 AM
So now you’re making sexual innuendo about the folks who run HotAir? Have you no decency?
I think Allahpundit and I exchanged a couple of emails maybe 5 years ago. I have no idea who he is or what his name is. I’ve never met Michelle, and other than some exchanges in the comment section her or at his old blog I don’t think I’ve had any contact with Ed. The only connection I have with the folks who run HA is as a commenter and as an advertiser (before PJM, when I could afford it).
Hmmmm. Authoritarian with paranoid fantasies. That’s healthy for sure.
rokemronnie on April 25, 2009 at 4:27 AM
But if I disagree with you I’m not engaging in intellectual honesty.
coldshot on April 25, 2009 at 4:28 AM
It means “screw me, old man”.
rokemronnie on April 25, 2009 at 4:30 AM
Ugly on April 25, 2009 at 4:20 AM
he said his name was ron when he called you a coward, its easier to type than rokemronnie.
Conservative Voice on April 25, 2009 at 4:34 AM
Well what do you look like sweethearty?
coldshot on April 25, 2009 at 4:34 AM
Geez. If this is what passes for conservative thought maybe I should reconsider my politics.
I never said that I wanted a lawless state or a country without police. I simply said that if the authoritarians around here are uncomfortable with the restrictions on police activity that our free society has, they are perfectly free to move someplace where the police have the kind of power you guys crave.
As for me supposedly being a criminal, can you be sure that isn’t a libel?
If I am a criminal, that puts me in good company. Thomas Paine was considered a criminal too.
rokemronnie on April 25, 2009 at 4:35 AM
Copy that & FYI: it was I that called him out as the coward he is.
Ugly on April 25, 2009 at 4:37 AM
Ooooo a revolutionary. HOW ROMANTIC.
***PUKE***
Ugly on April 25, 2009 at 4:39 AM
Actually I used my full name, Ronnie Schreiber. That’s Ronnie as in Ronald, not Veronica. Only my mother and the IRS call me Ronald. A couple of old friends call me Ron but they’re exceptions.
When I was in high school I went by Ron because it seemed more mature but in time I decided that Ronnie fit me best and it’s really what most people who know me and care about me use.
Unlike the anonymous cowards, I have no problem putting my name to my words. If Ugly feels the need to make fun of my name, oh well. I have the respect and love of people whose excrement Ugly is not worthy to smell.
rokemronnie on April 25, 2009 at 4:41 AM
If I’m a coward, willing to stand behind my own words, what does that make you, some anonymous schmuck?
rokemronnie on April 25, 2009 at 4:44 AM
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