Obama to release photos of abuse
posted at 12:16 pm on April 24, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
Here we go again. The US will release dozens of pictures depicting prisoner abuse by the American military and intelligence agents after the Obama administration dropped an appeal to block a Freedom of Information Act request by the ACLU. Will these pictures have the same demoralizing effect on both the troops and the CIA?
In a letter from the Justice Department to a federal judge yesterday, the Obama administration announced that the Pentagon would turn over to the American Civil Liberties Union 44 photographs showing detainee abuse of prisoners in Afghanistan and Iraq during the Bush administration.
The photographs are part of a 2003 Freedom of Information Act request by the ACLU for all information relating to the treatment of detainees — the same battle that led, last week, to President Obama’s decision to release memos from the Bush Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel providing legal justifications for harsh interrogation methods that human rights groups call torture.
Courts had ruled against the Bush administration’s attempts to keep the photographs from public view. ACLU attorney Amrit Singh tells ABC News that “the fact that the Obama administration opted not to seek further review is a sign that it is committed to more transparency.”
In 2004, the release of the pictures from Abu Ghraib overwhelmed the limited context of the abuse at that prison, which involved a handful of soldiers that had already come under investigation from the Pentagon for their abusive treatment of prisoners. The release of those images created a firestorm of vituperation against the American military around the world, calls for immediate firings and purges, even though the military had already acted to clean up the problem. The damage done to the Army’s reputation in particular has never been undone.
Small wonder the intelligence community has erupted in anger over this and the previous release of OLC memos:
Calling the ACLU push to release the photographs “prurient” and “reprehensible,” Dr. Mark M. Lowenthal, former Assistant Director of Central Intelligence for Analysis and Production, tells ABC News that the Obama administration should have taken the case all the way to the Supreme Court. …
Lowenthal said the president’s moves in the last week have left many in the CIA dispirited, based on “the undercurrent I’ve been getting from colleagues still in the building, or colleagues who have left not that long ago.”
“We ask these people to do extremely dangerous things, things they’ve been ordered to do by legal authorities, with the understanding that they will get top cover if something goes wrong,” Lowenthal says. “They don’t believe they have that cover anymore.” Releasing the photographs “will make it much worse,” he said.
There is a natural tension in a free republic between transparency and national security, especially in wartime. If abuses occur, we need to make sure that the crimes get investigated and punished appropriately. Unfortunately, there has never been a war where abuses did not occur. Even in World War II, the war hailed even by most pacifists as an example of a true good vs evil conflict, Allied troops shot prisoners and committed war crimes, some of which got attention and reaction, and some of which did not.
Those atrocities did not represent Allied troop behavior then, and a few examples of abuse do not reflect the efforts of American troops and intelligence agents now. Would we have published the pictures of such atrocities while in combat against the enemy then, and ruined the reputation of brave men and women fighting fascism and totalitarianism? Not a chance. And when we did it in 2004, the end result was to besmirch the entire military and chain of command, because photos carry no sense of context and are much more inflammatory than informative.
Now we get to go through it all over again, and the context of the photos will likely get the same scant coverage. Did the abuse shown result in investigations? Disciplinary action? Will the press cover it even if the US acted against the alleged perpetrators? Based on the quality of reporting in 2004, that seems doubtful.










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DarkCurrent on April 24, 2009 at 1:48 PM
The Liar has spoken.
fogw on April 24, 2009 at 1:48 PM
I’m sure this has been asked before but Why Are There Photos.
Do whatvneeds to be done to protect the country no photos, keep your mouth shut and avoid this kind of destruction of the true patriots keepin us safe everyday.
as was said numerous times above in what kind of country can we not see the birth certificate of POTUS, health records , college records, term papers, anything that even hints that the guy might be qualified yet we keep and divulge photos of interrogations.
Wise up this is a battle for our lives being fought against the enemies within. We, The American People are loosing, bigtime!
dhunter on April 24, 2009 at 1:51 PM
Zero is following Marxist ideology and is working to dehumanize and demonize those considered enemies of the State. Unfortunately, Zero’s chosen enemy is not only the Conservatives, nor just the military, nor just the security and intelligence agencies, it’s America herself. Zero is working to humiliate the US before the entire world as an act of prostration and degradation to soften us up for the utopia to come.
Maquis on April 24, 2009 at 1:52 PM
While he’s at it he should make available videos of the beheading of American citizens like Eugene Armstrong and Nick Berg. Obama and most of the liberals in this country are cowards at best and wouldn’t give a damn if any of us ended up with the same fate.
TrickyDick on April 24, 2009 at 1:54 PM
Promises, promises.
tom on April 24, 2009 at 1:54 PM
Boy that’s a big 10-4.
BigWyo on April 24, 2009 at 1:55 PM
“Amrit has a long history of taking on the Bush administration for its acts of commission on civil liberties. As an ACLU attorney in charge of its Immigrants’ Rights Project, she hauled the Bush administration to court in the post-September 11 years on issues ranging from discrimination against airline passengers with brown skin to allegations against US soldiers that they knowingly desecrated the Quran.”
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1090424/jsp/frontpage/story_10868297.jsp
“…a truly remarkable book published by Columbia University Press, Administration of Torture, that answers all of them and is written by Jameel Jaffer and Amrit Singh, two lawyers working for the American Civil Liberties Union.”
Guy La Roche at http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/culture/administration-of-torture-by-jameel-jaffer-and-amrit-singh/
From Wikipedia now:
Amrit Singh is a staff attorney at the ACLU’s Immigrants’ Rights Project. She has fought for the release of thousands of US government documents related to the conduct of the War on Terror and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Singh has been a counsel on American Civil Liberties Union v. Department of Defense and Ali Saleh Kahlah Al-Marri v. Donald H. Rumsfeld.[1]
Amrit Singh is a graduate of Cambridge University, Oxford University and Yale Law School.[1] She is the youngest daughter of Indian prime minister Manmohan Singh, and is married to Barton Beebe, a professor of law at New York University School of Law. She is co-author of the book “Administration of Torture”. [1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amrit_Singh
Al-Marri v. Donald H. Rumsfeld:
Al-Marri was allowed access to legal counsel in October 2004. His lawyers report that al-Marri has described being subjected to extreme cold, with insufficient bedding and clothing. He has been deprived of all reading material, except a Qur’an. Unlike the cells at Guantanamo Bay, which all have an arrow painted on the floor that points toward Mecca, his guards reportedly decline to inform him of which direction is East. In addition to his cell’s window being merely translucent (rather than transparent), he also claims to have no clock, preventing him from knowing the proper times to say prayers. He has also reportedly been deprived of personal hygiene items. [7] The lack of such items have reportedly also rendered him unable to pray as a result of ritual impurity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Saleh_Kahlah_Al-Marri_v._Donald_H._Rumsfeld
How are we to defend our country and ourselves if scum eager to destroy us can count on ACLU and lawyers like the one here, and when CAIR and other moslem groups are permitted to operate without impunity?
It is suicidal.
albertpale on April 24, 2009 at 1:57 PM
ACLU attorney Amrit Singh tells ABC News that “the fact that the Obama administration opted not to seek further review is a sign that it is committed to more
transparencyBush/Cheney bashing and weakening of the Republic for rank political gain.”Well-done, Barack.
Buy Danish on April 24, 2009 at 1:57 PM
I thought the whole idea behind closing GITMO and releasing the interrogation crap was to make friends in the Muslim world and elsewhere, to make everyone feel nicey-nicey about us.
How does releasing these photos, photos of stuff that everyone in America thinks is an awful crime whose perpetrators have already been punished for, advance that idea?
How does it do anything at all but give our enemies another propaganda tool? How does it do anything but endanger American (and since they tend to kill each other when bad, bad pictures come out of the West) Muslims?
29Victor on April 24, 2009 at 1:57 PM
“Amrit has a long history of taking on the Bush administration for its acts of commission on civil liberties. As an ACLU attorney in charge of its Immigrants’ Rights Project, she hauled the Bush administration to court in the post-September 11 years on issues ranging from discrimination against airline passengers with brown skin to allegations against US soldiers that they knowingly desecrated the Quran.”
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1090424/jsp/frontpage/story_10868297.jsp
“…a truly remarkable book published by Columbia University Press, Administration of Torture, that answers all of them and is written by Jameel Jaffer and Amrit Singh, two lawyers working for the American Civil Liberties Union.”
Guy La Roche at http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/culture/administration-of-torture-by-jameel-jaffer-and-amrit-singh/
albertpale on April 24, 2009 at 1:58 PM
Maybe Axelrod retains them on six month shifts. It kind of sounded like he was saving up his final freak out for his last day. Good riddance.
anniekc on April 24, 2009 at 1:59 PM
From Wikipedia now:
Amrit Singh is a staff attorney at the ACLU’s Immigrants’ Rights Project. She has fought for the release of thousands of US government documents related to the conduct of the War on Terror and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Singh has been a counsel on American Civil Liberties Union v. Department of Defense and Ali Saleh Kahlah Al-Marri v. Donald H. Rumsfeld.[1]
Amrit Singh is a graduate of Cambridge University, Oxford University and Yale Law School.[1] She is the youngest daughter of Indian prime minister Manmohan Singh, and is married to Barton Beebe, a professor of law at New York University School of Law. She is co-author of the book “Administration of Torture”. [1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amrit_Singh
Al-Marri v. Donald H. Rumsfeld:
Al-Marri was allowed access to legal counsel in October 2004. His lawyers report that al-Marri has described being subjected to extreme cold, with insufficient bedding and clothing. He has been deprived of all reading material, except a Qur’an. Unlike the cells at Guantanamo Bay, which all have an arrow painted on the floor that points toward Mecca, his guards reportedly decline to inform him of which direction is East. In addition to his cell’s window being merely translucent (rather than transparent), he also claims to have no clock, preventing him from knowing the proper times to say prayers. He has also reportedly been deprived of personal hygiene items. [7] The lack of such items have reportedly also rendered him unable to pray as a result of ritual impurity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Saleh_Kahlah_Al-Marri_v._Donald_H._Rumsfeld
How are we to defend our country and ourselves if scum eager to destroy us can count on ACLU and lawyers like the one here, and when CAIR and other moslem groups are permitted to operate without impunity?
It is suicidal.
albertpale on April 24, 2009 at 2:01 PM
I am banning myself.
The stink of evil on this blog is too much for me.
The devil is at work here.
I will pray for you.
getalife on April 24, 2009 at 1:32 PM
You can smell the evil stench of Pelosi and Franks lies, all the way here, to this blog? Wow!!!
capejasmine on April 24, 2009 at 2:02 PM
Go back to timeout, young’un.
Johan Klaus on April 24, 2009 at 2:05 PM
He has an “out” by saying this is a court ordered release. The “Almalgamated Communist Liberals Union” is ultimatly to blame on this one, but the obamamessiah could have had the DOJ to appeal the order to the SCOTUS. From the pictures I have seen of these poor abused prisoners, the majority of the “abuse” was embarrassment, and psychological intimidation. As far as I’m concerned, all detaniees should be given a shower of pig’s blood immediately upon entry into a detention facility.
Nuts4koi on April 24, 2009 at 2:05 PM
getalife is praying??? Better not let your liberal friends know that, you’d be out of the club
Bevan on April 24, 2009 at 2:07 PM
So, now you libs believe in prayer and the devil? Maybe there is hope yet.
Johan Klaus on April 24, 2009 at 2:08 PM
This is BS! This is like the third time they’ve done this and it was redundant the second time! There is nothing new in these freaking pictures and there’s no reason to release them!
These jerks are up to something and are using this as a smokescreen!
vapig on April 24, 2009 at 2:08 PM
This is BS! This is like the third time they’ve done this and it was redundant the second time! There is nothing new in these freaking pictures and there’s no reason to release them!
These jerks are up to something and are using this as a smokescreen!
vapig on April 24, 2009 at 2:08 PM
Clearly, not knowing the very second to pray and not having a toothbrush is equal to, if not worse than, beheading others.
Please, pray for us, getalife. Clearly, we’re utterly misinformed on the definition of “torture.”
Exit question: based on albertpale’s note above, does that mean I can now file a lawsuit against my in-laws? By that definition, when the hot water goes out while visiting and I can’t shower, they’re committing a warcrime. …cha-ching.
CatsGodot on April 24, 2009 at 2:10 PM
With other possible news topics being 640,000 new jobless claims, $18,000,000,000 down the drain at GM, Pakistan on the verge of chaos, and imminent “stress test” results, this move smacks of deflection.
SlimyBill on April 24, 2009 at 2:12 PM
I think it’s time to take the ACLU to task for this, protest, slam their offices with calls, whatever it takes to make them jump off the roof. Then, we deal with obama administration failure to keep us safe.
HornetSting on April 24, 2009 at 2:13 PM
Making our enemies happy by reminding them they should be mad at us.
shick on April 24, 2009 at 2:14 PM
Zero will kill Muslims by riot with this move. But he will injure us more, and that makes it worth it to him.
Maquis on April 24, 2009 at 2:14 PM
Now, all we need is a self-ban from anti-semite nice343…
Attila (Pillage Idiot) on April 24, 2009 at 2:14 PM
Sorry, this is long, but I’ll try to make it worthwhile. A year ago, I would have listened to someone saying the things I’m about to say and thought they were loony. And maybe I am, but here goes:
Consider:
* The Dems predicted a nightmare in Iraq — having predicted it, in some ways certain of them came to WANT it (NOT claiming this is true for the average Dem, but a few — Reid, for example) would still love to see us lose in Iraq.
* This will cause an uprising against Americans (and those who have cooperated with us) in Iraq, possibly changing the willingness of Iraqis to work with Americans — which could cause the “predicted” nightmare scenario (and we know the MSM will not connect the cause to the effect — it will be Bush’s fault).
* In addition to the crisis in Iraq, there will be general crisis throughout the Muslim world — Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Syria, Hezbollah, etc.
* What do we know about Obama and Rahmbo, with regard to crisis? They like it: “never let a good crisis go to waste”.
* Obama’s every move since becoming POTUS has been orchestrated to destroy existing political and economic structures and replace them with new ones, in all cases more tightly controlled by the ruling class.
So what might we expect as a result of this action?
* Loss of the war in Iraq.
* Sufficient casualties in Afghanistan to get public behind a pull-out, which will be a loss there.
* As an act of contrition for our misdeeds, an offer to help Iran, Hezbollah, etc.
* Greatly expanded civilian control of the military.
I’m absolutely terrified. When I read all over the MSM what a brilliant, unparalleled, exquisite, “hip”, divine first 100 days our one-of-a-kind, unlike-any-before-him, healer of hurts / genius / wunderkind of a Prez is, I know we can’t count on any sort of critical assessment of his actions and words (and I mean critical as in ‘honest and analytical’, not as in ‘negative’).
I’m terrified for my country. I used to fear that Obama would fundamentally damage our free market economy, causing problems it might take years to repair. I now fear that we’re headed for life in Winston Smith’s Oceania, with no road back at all.
Pray.
RegularJoe on April 24, 2009 at 2:17 PM
It bit it’s own head off, like some guy in a ‘Dude’ post. It never really seemed to need the head though. It might still come back.
DarkCurrent on April 24, 2009 at 2:18 PM
It’d be fine with me if he (assuming male, could be wrong) goes away; he’s kind of like dog crap on your shoe. Doesn’t really hurt anything, but smells bad. But getalife has too long of a history as a liar for me to really believe he’s gone.
RegularJoe on April 24, 2009 at 2:20 PM
And it’s a great distraction from the megabillions he’s poised to spend on get you on the sunken path to universal health care (a one-way road once taken), the fact that the banks are still a mess despite the trillions put into them, the fact that the government is taking ownership (fascism anyone?, the unsustainable debt he and the houses of congress are going to be piling up for your children and grandchildren to bear…
He’s using this as a smokescreen to get his domestic agenda through, and doesn’t give a fig what damaging effect it has on the military or the intelligence community, or national security.
ProfessorMiao on April 24, 2009 at 2:20 PM
ENOUGH, ALREADY!!!!!
Good God, impeach this goober cheese before he runs us all right into the ground!
-Dave
Dave R. on April 24, 2009 at 2:21 PM
Please. A moment of silence.
Getalife has banned his/her/itself because of our wretchedness.
Shame on us. Don’t you all just feel awful now, you evil people?
Rod on April 24, 2009 at 2:25 PM
YOU ARE EXACTLY RIGHT!!!!
We need to ask ourselves what it is that he isn’t wanting us to see right now…what is being passed in congress? what is DHS up to? what is he really trying to do?
This is old, old, old news…and if it is really all about THIS, than he is just stroking the fires of his violent base rather than divulge any new info. It’s all old news.
Mommypundit on April 24, 2009 at 2:28 PM
What do you mean?
In my case, it is difficult to say, because the line between “disobeying the President” and supporting and defending the Constitution would have to be defined more clearly than it is.
It would be extremely hard for me to stop defending America, regardless of the political consequences. I don’t really think about the President when I do my job – I do it because I know what is expected of me through my training.
The trouble comes when you don’t feel supported by your President or the people. Will the rules governing intelligence activities be the same tomorrow as they are today? That uncertainty is one I’ve had to deal with under three different Presidents – under Bush, I felt like he was going to watch my back, but under the other two, not so much.
Otis B on April 24, 2009 at 2:31 PM
I tried to avoid this person/troll-bot for the most part, and I do despise it’s bile and antagonism, but I won’t celebrate it’s departure to the extent my fellows here are for the sole fact that we can’t know it’s truly gone. How many screen names did this person/troll-bot register when it last had open registration? It could still be here as another “person” already. I’m pleased if it’s truly gone, but unfortunately we can’t know that’s so.
Maquis on April 24, 2009 at 2:34 PM
getalife was the best troll I ever knew *wipes away a stray tear*
DarkCurrent on April 24, 2009 at 2:35 PM
Thanks Otis – I have never served & was curious as to how military personnel manage to put aside all these horrific antics from obama’s camp while still remaining vigilant. It seems he is unmercifully & purposely trying to demoralize the troops, which I feel is treasonous. My family will always support the troops; May God bless you guys & gals every second.
Ris4victory on April 24, 2009 at 2:39 PM
good riddance. I hope my question about you being OK with cutting a hole in a babie’s head and sucking out the brains, but not waterboarding, helped get rid of you.
your god is the devil…
right4life on April 24, 2009 at 2:41 PM
Has DHS done a report on the threat to the U.S. that the ACLU poses?
thomasaur on April 24, 2009 at 2:49 PM
I didn’t read all of the comments, and must have missed this one, but it is an EXCELLENT point. Whenever some liberal sends me some torture-porn, I’m just going to by asking “Will you help put an end to THIS torture? http://www.silentscream.org/“
RegularJoe on April 24, 2009 at 2:51 PM
Gender is not a static or well-defined feature in getalife’s species. Within the limits of our experience and the English language it was best referred to as a ’she’.
DarkCurrent on April 24, 2009 at 2:52 PM
I think of defending the country like defending my family – I don’t want any harm to come to any of my fellow Americans, that comes first and foremost.
The way I see it is that there are some political games being played right now that are arguably harmful to national security – however, at the end of the day, these things will have to be overcome through increased vigilance on our part.
Otis B on April 24, 2009 at 2:52 PM
Given your libel of others it’s hard for me to believe any prayer of yours would get past the ceiling. To whom or what do you pray?
Shay on April 24, 2009 at 2:52 PM
Baal Obama
thomasaur on April 24, 2009 at 2:54 PM
They should have them enlarged and placed in the Smithsonian. It would good to see devil worshipers getting what they deserve.
Jerricho68 on April 24, 2009 at 2:55 PM
It’d be a great coffee table book! I want one!
thomasaur on April 24, 2009 at 2:58 PM
This whole topic is the Lefty’s crying towel.
They’ll not be satisfied until the USA is on its death-bed.
SilverStar830 on April 24, 2009 at 2:59 PM
Just great.
Anyone got any good KKK photos that should now be republished or released? That would probably help us in our ongoing and interminable race relations discussions as well. Just in the interest of transparency, mind you.
The next poker game I go to, I hope the other players at the table are transparent like this as well. Just so nobody gets their feelings hurt and folds with a winning hand or anything tragic like that.
Consequences? Piffle.
connertown on April 24, 2009 at 3:00 PM
Does ANYBODY Care that we have Men In THE FIELD right now?!
We are AT WAR.
bridgetown on April 24, 2009 at 3:05 PM
Well, hip hip hurray, and don’t stumble on the way out, dearie. /the cook from Mary Poppins.
TheQuestion on April 24, 2009 at 3:06 PM
And WHY are there even Pictures TAKEN at all of this crap?
bridgetown on April 24, 2009 at 3:07 PM
The devil is at work? LOL* There was a similar left-winger on Morning Joe today. My, my….but the liberal left is starting to show their true roots.
I’m convinced they were all raised in fundamentalist homes and are in rebellion. When provoked, here comes the self-riteous indignation usually associated with right-wingers.
AnninCA on April 24, 2009 at 3:08 PM
I read yesterday, bridge, that the picture aren’t all that provocative.
We’ll see, I’m sure.
AnninCA on April 24, 2009 at 3:08 PM
AnninCA on April 24, 2009 at 3:08 PM
regardless…a bit of photoshop could go a long way in villages that DON’T HAVE TELEVISION….ugh..
sorry for yelling. I’m so fired up about this.
bridgetown on April 24, 2009 at 3:10 PM
Hey, I win on one point here, guys.
CNN did suspend that reporter who was so out of line at the tea party.
Apparently, they aren’t quite ready to thrown in the towel yet and become completely without credibility.
AnninCA on April 24, 2009 at 3:11 PM
AnninCA on April 24, 2009 at 3:11 PM
If she was suspended With pay….I call that a vacation.
bridgetown on April 24, 2009 at 3:11 PM
I hope they do, bridge. It will prove Bush’s point. I’m speculating here, but I am anticipating a lot of very high rhetoric coming from our enemies the minute the pics are released.
AnninCA on April 24, 2009 at 3:12 PM
She’s the scourge of her entire profession, bridge. Even the progressive blogs were embarassed by her performance.
AnninCA on April 24, 2009 at 3:12 PM
very high rhetoric coming from our enemies the minute the pics are released.
AnninCA on April 24, 2009 at 3:12 PM
heh…already happening….the ACLU, Nancy Pelosi, Obama, etc..spewing poison.
bridgetown on April 24, 2009 at 3:13 PM
Oh man, Pelosi is taking it in the chops today. Much deserved, I say.
To suggest that she didn’t know was a complete lie. To suggest that she couldn’t do anything to speak out isn’t going to wash with anyone remotely objective.
I’m glad because it just shows that she’s willing to adopt that tone and wag her finger when she’s flatly lying.
People don’t forget.
AnninCA on April 24, 2009 at 3:14 PM
Releasing these photos seems like appropriate behavior to the Left because they are Citizens Of The World. Obama clearly sees himself that way, and most liberals would consider it a compliment to be named as such, not an insult. As a Citizen Of The World, Obama feels an obligation to document the crimes and abuses of George Bush, who was not his predecessor, but something akin to a defeated insurgent. Obama believes his betters in Europe will celebrate his openness and thank him for more evidence they can file away for that war crimes trial of Bush and Cheney they like to daydream about.
The effect of photos like this on the Muslim world is irrelevant, because as any liberal will tell you, Muslims are not responsible for their own words or actions – they only react to the evils of the West, which therefore has an obligation to conduct itself in the most pristine, saintly fashion possible, until the Islamic fascists realize how kind and noble we are, and stop murdering us. If we could only treat every terrorist like a presumed-innocent criminal defendant, extending the highest courtesies and comfort to them, along with the finest legal talent and unlimited access to the media so they’d have a chance to air their grievances against America… we’d be able to release those pampered terrorists back into their culture like little hope-and-change bombs, detonating in showers of compassion and scattering wallet-sized copies of the Geneva Conventions across all of Araby.
Obama will be pleased to see these CIA interrogation photos turning up at Very Serious Meetings of the United Nations, where he remind everyone that someone else was in charge when all this happened. He can wait for them to pat him on the back for his obedience to the Global Community, then issue a sternly worded letter of condemnation to the departed Bush Administration – you know, the kind of letter Western liberals regard as tremendously significant, and which despots and murderers use as toilet paper.
Remember this about liberals, and pass it along to anyone you know who ever considers voting for a Democrat president again: they do *not* believe this country has an intrinsic right to defend itself, act to prevent attacks, or retaliate against aggression. They are deeply committed to the idea that terrorism is a criminal action, to be investigated and prosecuted by law enforcement under the watchful eye of the Global Community. They do not believe the use of pure military force is ever justified, not for an advanced, socialized nation. Remember that, no matter how they later scrambled to hail Afghanistan as “the good war” once it was politically necessary to do so, they initially opposed even a military retaliation against the Taliban. They think terrorists should be arrested and prosecuted, with exquisite attention to proper jurisprudence, and they are perfectly comfortable with the idea that some of the terrorists would therefore walk free on legal technicalities. War is harmful to children and other living things. Violence is the last resort of someone who has lost an argument… and liberals never think the argument is over.
The only thing that will make liberals reconsider this enlightened position is when a duly exalted leader of the Party, with the appropriate Absolute Moral Authority, designates a foreign leader as “the next Hitler.” Then it’s okay to bomb the crap out of them from thirty thousand feet, because they have lost their membership in The Global Community, and can be disposed of like vermin. Only properly credentialed liberals, with the consent of the Party leadership, can rescind a foreign nation’s membership in The Global Community – it was very bad form for a primate like George W. Bush to assert that authority for himself. So, until the Lightworker chooses to designate a terrorist leader as The Next Hitler, terrorists are accused criminals with the presumption of innocence, and CIA interrogators are rogue cops. Evidence against these rogue cops should be immediately forwarded to the Internal Affairs division for the global police, which can be found in the offices of the United Nations, or reached care of the New York Times.
Doctor Zero on April 24, 2009 at 3:20 PM
Obama continues deconstructing America
So much to do so little time
entagor on April 24, 2009 at 3:24 PM
Along with these pictures will be the pictures of the people who were beheaded, pictures of the children mauled by dogs, pictures of the mass graves, so many other pictures.
I could take a picture of kids on Halloween, and if you didn’t know it was Halloween, you would be horrified.
The fact is, without narrative, without perspective, the pictures amount to a marketing campaign designed to distract us from the worse 100 days in presidential history.
This is a way the Obama thinks will shore up the many foolish mistakes he has made…foreign policy, cabinet, economic, each with their own major mistakes.
A desperate attempt to stop the down sliding of support…it won’t work, but he is desperate.
right2bright on April 24, 2009 at 3:28 PM
Apparently, they [at CNN] aren’t quite ready to thrown in the towel yet and
becomeacknowledge they are completely without credibility.AnninCA on April 24, 2009 at 3:11 PM
No charge, Ann!
RegularJoe on April 24, 2009 at 3:29 PM
If another secession poll was taken in Texas today, who could doubt it’d be MUCH higher in favor?
Rebar on April 24, 2009 at 3:31 PM
He really does hate this country and our troops, doesn’t he? It’s not enough that he’s deliberately destroying a country, via the economy, because he doesn’t believe in it’s ideals or values… but his cherry on top is to help the enemy recruit more terrorists, in regions where we are actively fighting wars, just after teaching them how we interrogate?
RightWinged on April 24, 2009 at 3:32 PM
Woo-hoo, I can’t wait for the first slide show with appropriately funny music to hit the internet.
The downside (or upside, depending on your view) to releasing the photos is that those poor, embarrassed savages will forever be known only for how goofy they looked as they posed for these pictures.
The upside (or downside, depending again on your viewpoint) is that now we’ll all see that tweaking their 12th century sensibilities can hardly be considered torture by any 21st century standard.
n0doz on April 24, 2009 at 3:39 PM
The polls must have him worried some. I wonder if these pix will have any effect. Most Americans value our right to protect ourselves. Certainly if the shoe were on the jihadist’s feet, our people would have been slowly separated from their body parts or brain cells without even a ripple of regret on the part of the terrorists. I think most folks understand that. Can’t help wondering just what is prompting Obama to do this. His motives worry me more than public reaction to it. Why is he going out on this shaky limb? Who benefits from this and how? Obama seldom does anything if he and his don’t profit from it one way or another.
jeanie on April 24, 2009 at 3:50 PM
It’s too good to be true that one of our trolls is self-destructing. Frankly, I don’t believe it.
jeanie on April 24, 2009 at 3:53 PM
No, but they are working one up on former intelligence operatives, complete with their names and home addresses.
Right_of_Attila on April 24, 2009 at 4:04 PM
Surely the book will be banned in Bush’s whites-only Texas hideaway.
benny shakar on April 24, 2009 at 4:06 PM
Gosh darn hilarious!!
Grow Fins on April 24, 2009 at 4:06 PM
Do you also worry that exposing steroid abuse in the Olympics has a demoralizing effect on cheating athletes?
benny shakar on April 24, 2009 at 4:10 PM
Not sure what book you refer to, but Condi Rice will no doubt be shocked to learn that Bush is some kind of raaaacist, as will all the Africans who love him and named their children after him.
Dumbest. Analogy. Ever.
Which is not surprising at all, considering the soulless, mindless, heartless, pathetic dolt who ‘thought’ of it.
Buy Danish on April 24, 2009 at 4:22 PM
I suspect that ‘demoralizing’ may be an understatement. All those groups will see it as a signal to ‘go underground’ because one cannot trust permissions and edicts from our government. Unfortunately it also exposes obama as as man with little or no grasp of the psyche of the military and the various Federal law enforcement groups. They will most certainly close ranks and by tacit agreement back away from any genuine trust of this administration. This was what happened duing the years when Congress was witch hunting the FBI and ATF. Neither of those organizations has even yet recovered from those attacks. Both have shied away and reduced their effectiveness over time.
jeanie on April 24, 2009 at 4:24 PM
getalife returns
DarkCurrent on April 24, 2009 at 4:25 PM
Speaking of abused people, hateful Leftist “cartoonist” Ted Rall has been…laid off.
Any of you Leftists here want to take his place? After all, you all are certainly cartoon-like…
Del Dolemonte on April 24, 2009 at 4:47 PM
If your dumb enough to take pictures of it, you should face the consequence of your idiocy. Small wonder these people were hired in the first place.
On top of that, maybe the CIA shouldn’t of been the ones leaking information on this sort of stuff in the mid-Iraq War years when we first learned about these “abuses.” Classic case of the CIA doing one thing and ending up screwing themselves and the country they work for royally over, years later.
PresidenToor on April 24, 2009 at 4:50 PM
Maybe Barry ought to worry more about fixing the economy than the treatment of a bunch of terrorists 6 years ago…
Wyznowski on April 24, 2009 at 4:53 PM
So,Hopey/Changey has pissed off the right,with their
manufactured RightWing so-called Militia Groups!
Not to be outdone,Obama and the Fools of the Liberal
Party,thinks its impairative,once again to show the
world,ala Part Deux Redo of showing the world what the
US Military,might of,and might not have done to Terrorist
prisoners!
More pictures again eh!
Now AxleBrokenRod,Ayers,Obama want to gin up,agitate,mix
and stir the ‘moderate Jihadys’into a whipped up fervor
of “DEATH TO AMERICA-Big SATAN”crap all over again!
WHY!! WHY!! WHY!!
JACK#SS’S,the entire stinkin Liberal Party!!
canopfor on April 24, 2009 at 4:59 PM
The only explanation for this is politics – and Obama should be ashamed. This hurts our country.
Sheerq on April 24, 2009 at 5:10 PM
benny:
Oh spare me the sanctimony. These people risk their lives everyday so that some snotty little parasite like you can take cheap shots at them.
After Viet Nam, a lot of people did not want to join the military and be treated like crap. Now it might come to pass that a lot of people will not want to join the military or the intel community if they have to wonder whether or not some back stabbing politician looking for away to divert public attention is going to get them killed.
Terrye on April 24, 2009 at 5:15 PM
I guess we can forget all about that outreach to the veterans thing that Obama has been doing. This is just like John Kerry and the Genghis Khan crap. So much for a face lift for America. We are going to have to endure the haters and the finger pointers once again.
This is from 2003? And these people are still in jail?
Terrye on April 24, 2009 at 5:17 PM
jeanie:
My brother in law went to work for the Justice Department right out of grad school back in the Nixon years. He is still there, think of all the presidents he has seen come and go. These people are the permanent government and they don’t like being hung out to dry by politicians.
Terrye on April 24, 2009 at 5:21 PM
Terrye, this is Obama’s outreach to the military. It’s being done with an open palm slap to the face. And with a careless disregard for the potential negative effects on recruitment, our service members in the field, and veterans. This isn’t the first and it’s not going to be the last.
Loxodonta on April 24, 2009 at 5:23 PM
Terrye on April 24, 2009 at 5:15 PM
So right! I wonder sometimes why some elect to go into law enforcement when they must know that they can be subject to abuse not only from the very people they protect but from a government from whom the least they should expect is support. These guys were NOT mavericks, they were doing what they were authorized to do by the then government. Whatever is obama thinking to skewer these in the name of political gain. Despicable behavior.
jeanie on April 24, 2009 at 5:25 PM
1 The smell has already improved since you left.
2 I thought you needed a deliverance from the devil. But I was respectful and didn’t say anything.
3 I do not believe you are gone.
seven on April 24, 2009 at 5:31 PM
But where will I get my in depth one sentence social commentary?
Oh that’s right, from Obama.
I know you aren’t leaving, but in case you are… good riddance.
ManInBlack on April 24, 2009 at 5:34 PM
Committing torture isn’t a crime. Releasing photos of the torture is totally illegal though.
e-pirate on April 24, 2009 at 5:35 PM
Loxodonta:
Indeed. And you know what else? If after years have gone by, Obama starts all this up again and people get killed…I am not so sure he won’t get a little of the blame.
Terrye on April 24, 2009 at 5:40 PM
e-pirate:
I read some time ago that there are privacy issues concerning the people in the pics.
Terrye on April 24, 2009 at 5:40 PM
There is nothing I’d like better than to sit on the deck under a beautiful blue sky with a breeze blowing through, while I read the thought provoking comments of all HotAir readers but after reading just the post itself, I feel it necessary to get to Home Depot as quickly as possible, stock up on plastic sheeting, duct tape and water, buy a generator and the hit the local Sam’s Club for canned goods and peanut butter. After that, I think I’ll stop by my church and light a candle for all of us. Nothing good will come of this and everything bad is entirely possible.
The only reason our disgraceful excuse for a POTUS could have for releasing this information is to give aid and comfort to those that would destroy our nation from, within and without. Everyday he tramples our freedom, attacks our liberty and demeans our tradition in the international community. Let me be the first to say it – that cowardly fraud is NOT MY PRESIDENT.
gopmom on April 24, 2009 at 5:40 PM
Actually, while I never answered his/her posts, I’m going to miss getalife some. He kept me on my toes because he reminded me to try to make my statements as clear and definitve as I am capable(yes, I know I fell short frequently, but not for lack of trying) and to be as careful as I could about my facts. I’m sure I can find a substitute though.
jeanie on April 24, 2009 at 5:44 PM
Well this will hurt America and the previous administration but… it’s make Obama look good and lofty. I’m betting this was an easy decision for Obama. The welfare of America is a small price to pay in order for the one look good and score political points.
Ampersand on April 24, 2009 at 5:45 PM
gopmom on April 24, 2009 at 5:40 PM
I feel your pain, but yes, he IS our President.
As gut-wrenching as that feels.
We have GOT TO fix the Educational system in this country. They start early…like pre-school in indoctrinating the children.
bridgetown on April 24, 2009 at 5:49 PM
Don’t worry. Getalife will probably not keep her word.
I’m betting she has more than one other name to post under. Someone will mysteriously step right in to the getalife void.
Ampersand on April 24, 2009 at 5:50 PM
sad
BoomJunkie on April 24, 2009 at 5:50 PM
Does that mean that getalife gotalife? If so, the devil is no longer at work here!
Steve Z on April 24, 2009 at 5:57 PM
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