Obama to release photos of abuse

posted at 12:16 pm on April 24, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Here we go again.  The US will release dozens of pictures depicting prisoner abuse by the American military and intelligence agents after the Obama administration dropped an appeal to block a Freedom of Information Act request by the ACLU.  Will these pictures have the same demoralizing effect on both the troops and the CIA?

In a letter from the Justice Department to a federal judge yesterday, the Obama administration announced that the Pentagon would turn over to the American Civil Liberties Union 44 photographs showing detainee abuse of prisoners in Afghanistan and Iraq during the Bush administration.

The photographs are part of a 2003 Freedom of Information Act request by the ACLU for all information relating to the treatment of detainees — the same battle that led, last week, to President Obama’s decision to release memos from the Bush Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel providing legal justifications for harsh interrogation methods that human rights groups call torture.

Courts had ruled against the Bush administration’s attempts to keep the photographs from public view. ACLU attorney Amrit Singh tells ABC News that “the fact that the Obama administration opted not to seek further review is a sign that it is committed to more transparency.”

In 2004, the release of the pictures from Abu Ghraib overwhelmed the limited context of the abuse at that prison, which involved a handful of soldiers that had already come under investigation from the Pentagon for their abusive treatment of prisoners.  The release of those images created a firestorm of vituperation against the American military around the world, calls for immediate firings and purges, even though the military had already acted to clean up the problem.  The damage done to the Army’s reputation in particular has never been undone.

Small wonder the intelligence community has erupted in anger over this and the previous release of OLC memos:

Calling the ACLU push to release the photographs “prurient” and “reprehensible,” Dr. Mark M. Lowenthal, former Assistant Director of Central Intelligence for Analysis and Production, tells ABC News that the Obama administration should have taken the case all the way to the Supreme Court. …

Lowenthal said the president’s moves in the last week have left many in the CIA dispirited, based on “the undercurrent I’ve been getting from colleagues still in the building, or colleagues who have left not that long ago.”

“We ask these people to do extremely dangerous things, things they’ve been ordered to do by legal authorities, with the understanding that they will get top cover if something goes wrong,” Lowenthal says. “They don’t believe they have that cover anymore.” Releasing the photographs “will make it much worse,” he said.

There is a natural tension in a free republic between transparency and national security, especially in wartime. If abuses occur, we need to make sure that the crimes get investigated and punished appropriately.  Unfortunately, there has never been a war where abuses did not occur.  Even in World War II, the war hailed even by most pacifists as an example of a true good vs evil conflict, Allied troops shot prisoners and committed war crimes, some of which got attention and reaction, and some of which did not.

Those atrocities did not represent Allied troop behavior then, and a few examples of abuse do not reflect the efforts of American troops and intelligence agents now.  Would we have published the pictures of such atrocities while in combat against the enemy then, and ruined the reputation of brave men and women fighting fascism and totalitarianism?  Not a chance.  And when we did it in 2004, the end result was to besmirch the entire military and chain of command, because photos carry no sense of context and are much more inflammatory than informative.

Now we get to go through it all over again, and the context of the photos will likely get the same scant coverage.  Did the abuse shown result in investigations?  Disciplinary action?  Will the press cover it even if the US acted against the alleged perpetrators?  Based on the quality of reporting in 2004, that seems doubtful.


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Ampersand:

I am not so sure this will make Obama look good, not to the people he needs to vote for him if he is going to win a second term anyway. After all so far they don’t let Europeans vote in our elections.

A couple of years ago I read a story about a UN worker, a Frenchman I believe, who was taking pornographic pictures of African children. If they wanted food, they had to submit. The left did not want these pictures to be released. They did not want the UN to be seen in that way.

But our own military? They could care less. If people die because Obama did this, he just might get some of the blame. Blaming Bush will only go so far.

Terrye on April 24, 2009 at 5:58 PM

Obama probably Photoshopped some old photos from Abu Ghraib.

Steve Z on April 24, 2009 at 5:58 PM

I just hope no one gets killed.

Terrye on April 24, 2009 at 5:59 PM

Obama better be careful. The CIA may start investigating his background.

kasubo on April 24, 2009 at 6:02 PM

I guess we need to look into the Clinton rendition program and release all documents and records related to that.

echosyst on April 24, 2009 at 6:10 PM

It has been very interesting to learn the true morality of the people in my life since all this torture and abuse stuff has come out.

beekiller on April 24, 2009 at 6:21 PM

I just hope no one gets killed.

Terrye on April 24, 2009 at 5:59 PM

When I read about the planned release, this was my first thought. I am praying for our armed forces members.

Loxodonta on April 24, 2009 at 6:22 PM

I recall that two US soldiers were caught by al quaida or the taliban and when their bodies were recovered, they were unrecognizable because of the horrible torture they had endured before they were murdered.

Their families had to receive their dear ones who had been marred beyond recognition, and were left with the nightmare of what these poor men endured before the end.

I think this happened no more than five or so years ago. Does anyone remember the incident?

I empathize with Daniel Pearl, but the unspeakable horror visited on these two brave soldiers should be brought up every time someone tries to claim that the US tortures.

These poor men should be put forward as an example of the atrocities that are as natural as breathing to these insane lot of muslims.

As for Obama – his feverish pace is only quickening. It is really unbelievable that there is no one with the courage to stop him – as in – call for impeachment now!

tigerlily on April 24, 2009 at 6:22 PM

Obama better be careful. The CIA may start investigating his background.

kasubo on April 24, 2009 at 6:02 PM

Should do, ASAP!!!

tigerlily on April 24, 2009 at 6:23 PM

Treason, straight up. Nobama and Peloser will rue the day they messed with Cheney.

Maybe Bush 41 still has some pals in the agency who could look into this situation.

Philly on April 24, 2009 at 6:24 PM

Will these pictures have the same demoralizing effect on both the troops and the CIA?

Do you also worry that exposing steroid abuse in the Olympics has a demoralizing effect on cheating athletes?

benny shakar on April 24, 2009 at 4:10 PM

Setting aside the fact that there’s a difference between a game and a life-or-death struggle, your analogy is distorted. You should ask if we worry that exposing steroid abuse (by a small number of athletes) will have a demoralizing effect on NON-cheating athletes. And if the game is important to you (as the life-or-death struggle certainly is), then the answer would be “yes”.

RegularJoe on April 24, 2009 at 6:33 PM

While he’s at it, Obama ought to release :

** the photos of the carnage caused by his but Billy “The Bomber” Ayers,

** The photos of the Tate – Labianca Manson Murders that his buddyette Dorhn admired so much

** The victims of Fidel Castro’s Regime – You know the guy commie he has been sucking up to

** Photos of the abuse by the Saudi Government.. ie the schoolgirls who burned to death because the religious police wouldn’t let them exit a burning building, under the king he bowed to.

** Photos of the Abuse by Hugo Chavez… The guy who got a hearty Handshake by Obama

** Photos of Mary Jo Kopechne in Teddy’s Oldsmobile.

** Photos of all the people murded by Islamic goons in the last couple of years, Daniel Pearl, the schoolgirls, etc.

** Photos of the dead from the World Trade Center, the Pentagon and Flight 93

Yep, Obama ought to get himself a FLIKR account and post all that stuff.

bullseye on April 24, 2009 at 6:43 PM

Don’t worry. Getalife will probably not keep her word.

I’m betting she has more than one other name to post under. Someone will mysteriously step right in to the getalife void.

Ampersand on April 24, 2009 at 5:50 PM

# posting_name = “getalife”;
posting_name = “gotanewlife”;

make HotAirScript

HotAirscript

Done

AZfederalist on April 24, 2009 at 6:47 PM

Well, let’s see if there are more young men and women interested in joining the Armed Forces. With decisions like these, this is a good barometer to know if controversial decisions like this one (and boy oh boy, am I being incredibly diplomatic and civil on this!) will affect the morale of current soldiers.

Will there be defects? AWOLs? Dubya will be this summer here giving a speech, I can’t wait to see if I can get in as general public!

ProudPalinFan on April 24, 2009 at 6:54 PM

I suggest we remove water boarding and move on to posting undestructible nude photos of Helen Thomas in Jihadist Cells

William Amos on April 24, 2009 at 6:58 PM

I suggest we remove water boarding and move on to posting undestructible nude photos of Helen Thomas in Jihadist Cells

William Amos on April 24, 2009 at 6:58 PM

Dude! Even though non-uniformed combatants are not covered by the Geneva conventions, there are still some things that are too horrible to inflict upon even vermin like these AQ types.

/Trying to get that mental image out of my mind. BLECH!

AZfederalist on April 24, 2009 at 7:02 PM

No doubt some of these people were picked up on the battlefield so any combat related injuries will be noted in the narrative beneath each photo so passions will not be o unduly inflamed or politicized.

moxie_neanderthal on April 24, 2009 at 7:18 PM

firestorm of vituperation

Nothing after that held my interest….”firestorm of vituperation” Wow!

Dr. ZhivBlago on April 24, 2009 at 7:25 PM

To what end? To protect Obama’s ridiculously tender feelings? The left would rather rehash old news and play “we hate Cheney” than exhibit the smallest shred of common sense. This country is being run by angry children.

We have American soldiers in the line of fire. I am so outraged at this infantile, despicable action that I am shaking.

inmypajamas on April 24, 2009 at 7:36 PM

Maybe Obama isn’t all that dumb, this will cause riots and thus thin the Islamic Herds.

- The Cat

P.S. Obama doesn’t care about Muslim People.

MirCat on April 24, 2009 at 7:40 PM

and to think that outing V. Plame caused such an out rage.

el rey on April 24, 2009 at 7:46 PM

I am banning myself.

The stink of evil on this blog is too much for me.

The devil is at work here.

I will pray for you.

getalife on April 24, 2009 at 1:32 PM

Woe to those (like getalife) who call call good ‘evil’ and call evil ‘good.’ One wonders to whom he prays.

baldilocks on April 24, 2009 at 7:47 PM

This is just the powerpoint presentation of the mea culpa tour. The CIA is reaching the culmination of a highly politicized pogram that began early in the Bush administration. Similar to the crap that began at the State Department, we have guys cut from the Tyler Drumheller mold who are now in the driver’s seat and will be facilitating the political end game of this administration.

I expect more efforts to demonize the Bush administration through strategic leaking while the Obama administration can rise above it all via his truth and reconciliation meme.

The only reason to release photos is for their inherently incendiary impact.

mmmmm…..cui bono?

moxie_neanderthal on April 24, 2009 at 7:47 PM

Flight 93 Time for a re-release?

canditaylor68 on April 24, 2009 at 12:41 PM

Who do we need to contact to re-release this.
We need to get the public to turn their back on what has happened.
IT’s ALL in CONTEXT with what was happening. Even Pelosi was onboard with it.
The dems were even saying are we doing ENOUGH….!!!

scruplesrx on April 24, 2009 at 7:50 PM

Republicans shouldn’t be worried because pictures wouldn’t show any torture right?

nice343 on April 24, 2009 at 12:40 PM

There will be no photos of heads being chopped off.

Fool #1.

fogw on April 24, 2009 at 12:42 PM

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Need the photos of the burned bodies in Iraq……the headless bodies.
What CONTEXT are we talking about.

scruplesrx on April 24, 2009 at 7:51 PM

getalife

Everything has it’s evil, as Plato said. Evil is that which corrupts and destroys. Rust is the evil of iron, and sin is the evil of the soul. Your pride indeed, is your evil.

Dr. Manhattan on April 24, 2009 at 7:55 PM

Obama to release photos of abuse

Barack Hussein Obama =

* Aiding and abetting the enemy.
* During war, a treasonous act.

byteshredder on April 24, 2009 at 7:56 PM

Woe to those (like getalife) who call call good ‘evil’ and call evil ‘good.’ One wonders to whom he prays.

baldilocks on April 24, 2009 at 7:47 PM

I’d guess either Tash, Barak, or Michelle’s left bicep.

- The Cat

MirCat on April 24, 2009 at 8:00 PM

Zero is following Marxist ideology and is working to dehumanize and demonize those considered enemies of the State. Unfortunately, Zero’s chosen enemy is not only the Conservatives, nor just the military, nor just the security and intelligence agencies, it’s America herself. Zero is working to humiliate the US before the entire world as an act of prostration and degradation to soften us up for the utopia to come.

Maquis on April 24, 2009 at 1:52 PM

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Sometimes I feel the timing is such to create a distraction from Bambi’s weakness……..then I see calculated path that he is taking.
I feel the heartland needs to get with TEXAS and leave while we have our dignity.

scruplesrx on April 24, 2009 at 8:06 PM

While he’s at it he should make available videos of the beheading of American citizens like Eugene Armstrong and Nick Berg. Obama and most of the liberals in this country are cowards at best and wouldn’t give a damn if any of us ended up with the same fate.

TrickyDick on April 24, 2009 at 1:54 PM

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And all the UN corruption that was done in africa in the last 10-20 years

UN soldiers accused of atrocities in Somalia: Human rights group urges adherence to Geneva Conventions
RICHARD DOWDEN, Africa Editor
Friday, 30 July 1993SHAREPRINT ARTICLE EMAIL ARTICLE TEXT SIZE NORMALLARGEEXTRA LARGE
THE United Nations force in Somalia (Unosom) is accused of atrocities including killing of unarmed people, the bombing of a hospital, beating civilians and theft, according to a report published in London today.*

Africa Rights, a newly formed human rights body, accuses the United States-led operation of ‘grave breaches of the Geneva Conventions’ and acting with ‘near-total impunity’. Complaints procedures against the UN are woefully inadequate, the report says. It calls on the UN to reverse the policy of militarisation of the aid operation and for strict adherence to the Geneva Conventions.

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We need to make these public ……..photos anyone

scruplesrx on April 24, 2009 at 8:11 PM

“never let a good crisis go to waste”.

————————-
Bambi is manufacturing one crisis after another.
One of these crisis’ he will not be prepared for……
I fear he is going to fall prey to his own devices.

scruplesrx on April 24, 2009 at 8:15 PM

Michelle O must be so proud…wow! 2 times in her lifetime to be proud of America.

poppieseeds on April 24, 2009 at 8:55 PM

The release of the original Abu Ghraib photos were 6+ months after the abuses and well into the military investigation in which several officer and Soldiers had already been relieved of their duties. I know, I was there.

While full disclosure is part of our system in such cases, the result was many service men and women killed due to the backlash in Iraq. The abuse of these prisoners was already know to the average Iraqi, but the public release and media backlash stoked the fire and further targeted Americans.

Now, all these years later and with the successes we have attained, this Administration wants to allow the release of the remaining photos which will only have similiar results and jeopordize the improved relationship with the Iraqi populace. The Arab world has long memories (they still remember the Crusades as if it were yesterday) and this needless release will only put more Americans in danger. For what? There is nothing to be gained. Sad day and the lack of willingness for this Adminstration to fight the release is purely political.

Av8tor on April 24, 2009 at 9:02 PM

The Left will soon have another thing to hate George W. Bush for – because he proved to be such a better man than the precious SpendZell Washington.
The Tards are going to try to prosecute officials as high as possible – this could be their last opportunity to criminalize W or Cheney.

Dork B. on April 24, 2009 at 9:06 PM

Pelosi lied and detainee cried!

moxie_neanderthal on April 24, 2009 at 9:08 PM

Obama is neck deep in it now, and we can expect this non-sense every time he is on the ropes.

Bush Derangement Syndrome was their campaign strategy; is their political strategy; will be their continual distraction strategy.

Watch the other hand closely, folks.

Saltysam on April 24, 2009 at 9:46 PM

I just want to say thank you to the the four of you left in America who still valiantly defend Bush and his policies. You provide an excellent source of perspective for the rest of us. Keep up the good work! Feel free to explain to your loved ones how you would support the use of torture on them if they knew of an imminent threat to America. It’ll make ‘em feel warm and cozy.

pm123 on April 24, 2009 at 9:48 PM

I just want to say thank you to the the four of you left in America who still valiantly defend Bush and his policies. You provide an excellent source of perspective for the rest of us. Keep up the good work! Feel free to explain to your loved ones how you would support the use of torture on them if they knew of an imminent threat to America. It’ll make ‘em feel warm and cozy.

pm123 on April 24, 2009 at 9:48 PM

getalife? Is that you? I see you took my advice to format the database output into paragraphs instead of Carriage Return / Line Feed after every extracted talking point. Almost makes it look like a real person typed that bilge. Problem is, even though you are formatting things better, the stupid can’t be fixed. You’ll have to improve the database to fix that.

AZfederalist on April 24, 2009 at 10:10 PM

Feel free to explain to your loved ones how you would support the use of torture on them if they knew of an imminent threat to America. It’ll make ‘em feel warm and cozy.

pm123 on April 24, 2009 at 9:48 PM

I wouldn’t have to explain it to them. They already know that if they are involved with the mangling and killing of innocent people, they will get what they deserve.

And the most amazing thing is, not one of them is a rocket scientist.

Saltysam on April 24, 2009 at 10:20 PM

I just want to say thank you to the the four of you left in America who still valiantly defend Bush…

I’m guessing you stopped at four, because that’s how high you can count.

ProTip: You can use your thumb and other hand to count. That takes you up to 10! Master that, then come back to us adults and we’ll show you that there are more than 10 numbers (as well as those that don’t think that “we can’t tell you which way is East” is the equivalent to sawing off someone’s head with a dull knife).

CatsGodot on April 24, 2009 at 10:24 PM

getalife on April 24, 2009 at 1:32 PM

If Obama and the garbage that he surrounds himself in his personal life is your idea of good, then you can call me the Prince of f**king Darkness, baby. If Obama is the new good, I’m proud to be the new evil. It’s off to evil medical school for me.

austinnelly on April 24, 2009 at 10:27 PM

Baldilocks would like your perspective on this story

Nigerian Muslims are threating Christians over Obama’s grandma.

William Amos on April 24, 2009 at 7:52 PM

Nigerian? So what.

baldilocks on April 24, 2009 at 10:28 PM

pm123 on April 24, 2009 at 9:48 PM

If a relative of mine knew of an impending threat to this country, I’d happily beat it out of them myself. Shocking? Well, maybe to someone like you. Someone breaks into your house to ravish your wife or sister, instead of grabbing a knife or a gun, you get a video camera and boot up your computer.

austinnelly on April 24, 2009 at 10:29 PM

William,

I guess you meant Kenyans. I didn’t see any threats, just Muslims being their insecure selves.

I realize that the Kenya conflict of last year was set up by many American bloggers as a grand struggle between Christianity and Islam, but that set up was total BS. It was a tribal conflict.

baldilocks on April 24, 2009 at 10:32 PM

Lets publish pictures of William Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn plotting their murders and bombings.

That would certainly make America safer.

BKennedy on April 24, 2009 at 10:57 PM

Wherever there is a UN compound in Africa, drug trafficking and child prostitution soars.

Dhuka on April 24, 2009 at 11:38 PM

Eight years, three-and-a-half desert bound tough ones, and my son has decided enough is enough. He won’t serve after November. Y’all are losing a good man (father’s prejudice aside). Come on home, son, we have a nation to rebuild.

Limerick on April 24, 2009 at 12:41 PM

In twelve years, he may think differently.

Speakup on April 25, 2009 at 12:02 AM

Speakup on April 24, 2009 at 12:19 PM

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!

D2Boston on April 24, 2009 at 12:24 PM

I’m glad somebody got it.

Speakup on April 25, 2009 at 12:03 AM

Lets publish pictures of the 911 aftermath, the uncensored ones.

Speakup on April 25, 2009 at 12:05 AM

I am banning myself.

The stink of evil on this blog is too much for me.

The devil is at work here.

I will pray for you.

getalife on April 24, 2009 at 1:32 PM

Meaning: Obama’s abuses are no longer defensable.

itsspideyman on April 25, 2009 at 12:08 AM

I just want to say thank you to the the four of you left in America who still valiantly defend Bush and his policies. You provide an excellent source of perspective for the rest of us. Keep up the good work! Feel free to explain to your loved ones how you would support the use of torture on them if they knew of an imminent threat to America. It’ll make ‘em feel warm and cozy.

pm123 on April 24, 2009 at 9:48 PM

If any of my loved ones knew about an iminent threat to America, and weren’t willing to turn over that information, I’d support them being waterboarded to reveal said information.

Your statement is ridiculous.

ManInBlack on April 25, 2009 at 12:16 AM

Getalife…please dont assume that you can pray for me…just dont let the door hit you in the ass on your way out of here…

mldlalex on April 25, 2009 at 12:28 AM

I don’t trust the man-child president any further than I could throw him. When he is not cryptically and surreptitiously trying to bring socialism main stream, he is carefully placing distractions. I feel the release of photos does two things for him, 1, makes Bush look bad thus making him look better in the eyes of the average voter, (this is actually a classic Alinsky tactic) and 2, creates enough of a distraction that another small yet radical step is taken towards communism for the US. Where am I wrong?

long_cat on April 25, 2009 at 12:31 AM

Lets publish pictures of the 911 aftermath, the uncensored ones.
Speakup on April 25, 2009 at 12:05 AM

Dandy idea… I’ll start.

benny shakar on April 25, 2009 at 12:45 AM

Lets publish pictures of the 911 aftermath, the uncensored ones.
Speakup on April 25, 2009 at 12:05 AM

Won’t work on these people.

Loxodonta on April 25, 2009 at 12:49 AM

pm123 on April 24, 2009 at 9:48 PM

Hey, getahusband is back!

Fitting screen name, pm. Pre-menstrual.

On Planet Earth, “waterboarding” took on a new meaning on 9/11, when a lot of people were burnt alive by burning jet fuel falling over 500 feet down the elevator shafts of the World Trade Center.

Would you rather be tortured that way, or by having someone make you think you were drowning?

Thanks for the entertainment, kid.

Del Dolemonte on April 25, 2009 at 12:50 AM

Dandy idea… I’ll start.

benny shakar on April 25, 2009 at 12:45 AM

Sigh, poor Benny. Forced to post a Photoshopped picture.

Why do you hate America, Benny?

Del Dolemonte on April 25, 2009 at 12:52 AM

I am banning myself.

The stink of evil on this blog is too much for me.

The devil is at work here.

I will pray for you.

getalife on April 24, 2009 at 1:32 PM

Sooooo….. you are going to stop wasting your time? Well, I’m gonna miss you and your crazy-ness getalife. Godspeed.

Rightwingguy on April 25, 2009 at 1:18 AM

pm123 on April 24, 2009 at 9:48 PM

I know that you hate to think about this, but the reason that you are alive right now may be because of Bush’s policies. Shudder the thought.

Johan Klaus on April 25, 2009 at 1:30 AM

Dandy idea… I’ll start.

benny shakar on April 25, 2009 at 12:45 AM

I heard that book was just translated into Austrian.

Jim Treacher on April 25, 2009 at 5:26 AM

Obamasama and his legions should all go to hell. Go ahead and show the gitmo “torture” pictures but preface this showing with videos of Americans having to junp from 100 stories from the Twin Towers. What a vile scum of an adminstration we have…

jsanderssr on April 25, 2009 at 6:44 AM

This is an intentional effort to undermine the American military. Obama is a far left socialist. He must be fought at every turn.

Phil Byler on April 25, 2009 at 8:28 AM

Maybe if we didn’t abuse prisoners, there wouldn’t be any photos. So don’t start blaming Obama (this website should re-name itself Blame Obama First) for something the Bush administration ordered.

athensboy on April 25, 2009 at 9:30 AM

the problem was being dealt with nutbag, before these pictures were release, idiot…this is political backseat driving and foolhardy

tomas on April 25, 2009 at 10:07 AM

Lets begin.

Rare Home video 911 WTC

Speakup on April 25, 2009 at 10:17 AM

athensboy on April 25, 2009 at 9:30 AM

Oh, cry me a river. And remember, Hillary Clinton told us almost 6 years ago it was our Patriotic Duty to criticize our pResident.

Del Dolemonte on April 25, 2009 at 10:34 AM

The Hokey Pelosi!

She puts her left foot in,
She puts her left foot out,
She puts her left foot in,
and her credibility’s in doubt,
She gives a hokey excuse,
and turns it upside down,
Politics is what’s its about.

Mr. Joe on April 25, 2009 at 10:42 AM

I said to my wife if there is one way that Obama could destroy the success in Iraq this is it. Nothing surprises me from this destroyer, every single wrong move and he does it, its like watching a European leader in action.

Now you Americans know what it feels like to be a European and I don’t say that to rub salt into your wounds, I feel sick in side having this odious man in charge of the one country that was to many a beacon, imperfect but still a beacon. Now those that chide us quite rightly for our cowardice and meekness know what it feels like to be under the control of people like Obama.

TrueBrit on April 25, 2009 at 11:08 AM

At Day 96….

WORST! PRESIDENT! EVER!

Goddamn I cannot stand this man.

rollthedice on April 25, 2009 at 11:16 AM

Feel free to explain to your loved ones how

you allowed one person to die, just one, because you were so self-righteous that you would not have pored water up the nose of the person that could have saved them. pm123 on April 24, 2009 at 9:48 PM

Now please, go up your kid, or wife, or you husband or whoever is dear to you, look them in the eye and say, “I value my moral stance againt waterboaring more that I value your life. I would rather see you dead than have someone waterboarded to save you.”

Me? I’d waterboard someone to save my dog.

Rod on April 25, 2009 at 11:32 AM

Do you think former Cpl. Charles Graner Jr. be released from prison now?

beekiller on April 25, 2009 at 11:34 AM

Obama to release photos of abuse

I’m confused, now it is abuse, or has abuse become torture, or is torture now simply abuse?

N4646W on April 25, 2009 at 11:57 AM

Just a guess, but this is just a smokescreen. Meat for a salivating media and the MoveOn.org types to enjoy while the Man in the Oval Office does something big that we aren’t supposed to notice. Keep your eyes on the other hand.

Rethuglican on April 25, 2009 at 12:10 PM

Do you think anyone would care now if Mohamed Atta had been waterboarded?
I don’t think so.

Would the ACLU have protected him while the people on the planes, the WTC, the people who worked there and the people who tried to save them burned and were crushed to death?

Yes they would have, without remorse, still would and still do.

Speakup on April 25, 2009 at 12:10 PM

I never forgave those liberals who pushed for and advocated for our defeat in Iraq. Their defeatism was borderline assisted suicide against our nation/military in a way.

Now this.

I’ve disagreed with liberals in the past. I’ve been angry with liberals in the past. I’ve been disgusted with liberals in the past but it’s pretty much graduated into full blown hatred which is dangerous in itself as it could lead to irrational thoughts from myself but damnit, there is nothing endearing or virtuous about what these bastards are doing to our country.

The Abu Ghraib photos lead to some of the most violent times in Iraq and were a vital recruitment tool for AQI. Pres. Obama HAS to know this yet he’s planning on releasing these photos anyways? I guess I shouldn’t be surprised considering this is from a man who went to a church for 20 years that said “Goddamn America” and got his political introduction from a domestic terrorist who actually had a part in setting off bombs in our own country. It makes perfect sense actually considering who it is… I just wish our country didn’t have to suffer the consequences.

Yakko77 on April 25, 2009 at 12:29 PM

Exit question:

If Putin had been elected our President, would he have done anything differently than Obama?

faraway on April 25, 2009 at 12:50 PM

Can I get a few poster sized, and some wallet sized prints?

Jerricho68 on April 25, 2009 at 12:53 PM

Someone let some basement dwelling Alex Jones fringe tards in.

Jerricho68 on April 25, 2009 at 12:56 PM

The Abu Ghraib photos lead to some of the most violent times in Iraq and were a vital recruitment tool for AQI.
Yakko77 on April 25, 2009 at 12:29 PM

It wasn’t the Abu Ghraib photos that led to some of the most violent times in Iraq…in fact, they probably had zero to do with it.
(Moktada al-Sadr & his Shi’ite “army” plus the Saddam faithful/Sunni were the ones who pumped up the violence.)
No-one but bleeding heart Liberals in this country thought Abu Ghraib was terrible–in fact, many Iraqis snickered, remembering how awful Abu Ghraib had really been under Saddam Hussein.
Releasing these photos will do nothing but give our enemies courage by showing how soft, weak and whiny we are and announcing that will be even nicer to them in future.
Meanwhile, they have no plans to stop truly torturing and beheading us or our friends.

Jenfidel on April 25, 2009 at 1:05 PM

The left wants us to understand the Root Causes for those who would kill us, but they want to destroy those who would save us.

Dhuka on April 25, 2009 at 1:12 PM

Maybe if we didn’t abuse prisoners, there wouldn’t be any photos.

Maybe if we didn’t have prisons, there wouldn’t be prisoners. They can stay at your house, okay?

So don’t start blaming Obama (this website should re-name itself Blame Obama First) for something the Bush administration ordered.

athensboy on April 25, 2009 at 9:30 AM

The Bush administration didn’t order the abuses at Abu Ghraib, as you well know. And you know that the abusers were prosecuted and punished. Other than that, cogent point as usual.

Jim Treacher on April 25, 2009 at 1:15 PM

Jenfidel on April 25, 2009 at 1:05 PM

I’m not disagreeing with you. The “abuse” at Abu Ghraib was essentially college hazing pranks by comparison to what went on there before under Saddam. IIRC from Michael Yon’s book, those photos were used as a propaganda tool by AQI and did in fact hurt the reputation of our forces and were used to gain recruits for AQI. The photos of course weren’t the cause of the violence but they were used as an excuse.

Yakko77 on April 25, 2009 at 1:25 PM

This recruiting stuff is bull…they would be frigging nut jobs anyway…this is an excuse.

It’s just like Pirates…do you really think people will go oh my gosh its the US we had better go to the negotiation table now.

These are bad people and there is only one way to deal with them…come at them endlessly and harder than they could imagine. And don’t shock and leave…like Colinoscopy likes.

In Iraq, people have kind of figured out who the bad guys were and felt empowered by our presence to take steps.

In Afghanistan, we have our coalition there to wheel and deal and scare the shit out of the locals. They know, like the UN they could give a rats about them so THEY are continuing to try and find the best deal when the shit hits the fan.

There hasn’t been an awakening. I think we were/are better off by ourselves.

tomas on April 25, 2009 at 1:55 PM

I am banning myself.
The stink of evil on this blog is too much for me.
The devil is at work here.
I will pray for you.
getalife on April 24, 2009 at 1:32 PM

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Sounds like progress!

DSchoen on April 26, 2009 at 1:11 AM

Obama to release photos of abuse

To me, the most common sense comments on this issue came from past CIA director Porter Goss:

“We can’t have a secret intelligence service if we keep giving away all the secrets.”

byteshredder on April 26, 2009 at 1:45 AM

Man that pic of our first lady modeling the spring line is hideous.

Jerricho68 on April 27, 2009 at 10:09 AM

As for Obama – his feverish pace is only quickening. It is really unbelievable that there is no one with the courage to stop him – as in – call for impeachment now!

tigerlily on April 24, 2009 at 6:22 PM

Nope. You won’t find any takers while his approval ratings are still riding high.

Now, when The One’s policies result in disaster (as many experts are predicting) and his approvals start tanking, then you’ll have calls for “impeachment” coming out from the woodwork!

sarahpalinfan99 on April 28, 2009 at 3:40 AM

and to think that outing V. Plame caused such an out rage.

el rey on April 24, 2009 at 7:46 PM

+10 That’s a winner! Ding, ding, ding!!

sarahpalinfan99 on April 28, 2009 at 3:44 AM

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