Cheney formally requests release of two CIA memos on detainees

posted at 5:25 pm on April 24, 2009 by Allahpundit

When he talked to Hannity about this, I thought he meant he had general recollections that coercion had produced good intel and was going to ask the agency to review its records and declassify anything it found. Nope — he’s got two documents very specifically in mind, which means he must be awfully confident they’ll say what he thinks they say. The One’s strategy here pretty clearly was to give his base a satisfying Two Minutes Hate by releasing last week’s memos and then to declare that we don’t need any prosecutions or investigations because it’s time to move forward. Instead, the base and the media blew up and Cheney came out swinging to defend his legacy and now Obama’s got a royal clusterfark on his hands that’s only going to get more regal if/when the docs Cheney requested are released. No wonder the White House has suddenly lost its appetite for torture show trials. If 71 percent of the public is already willing to condone torture at least on rare occasions, what’ll the number be if those two memos prove Cheney right about waterboarding having prevented attacks?

At the Telegraph, Gerald Warner says good going, President Pantywaist:

That is why he opened Pandora’s Box by publishing the Justice Department’s legal opinions on waterboarding and other hardline interrogation techniques. He cynically subordinated the national interest to his partisan desire to embarrass the Republicans. Then he had to rush to Langley, Virginia to try to reassure a demoralised CIA that had just discovered the President of the United States was an even more formidable foe than al-Qaeda…

Obama promised his CIA audience that nobody would be prosecuted for past actions. That has already been contradicted by leftist groups with a revanchist ambition to put Republicans, headed if possible by Condoleezza Rice, in the dock. Talk about playing party politics with national security. Martin Scheinin, the United Nations special investigator for human rights, claims that senior figures, including former vice president Dick Cheney, could face prosecution overseas. Ponder that – once you have got over the difficulty of locating the United Nations and human rights within the same dimension.

President Pantywaist Obama should have thought twice before sitting down to play poker with Dick Cheney.

As Karl noted in the Greenroom, the only prominent Democrat left who wants to delve further into this subject is Pelosi, and after the beating she took yesterday for her “lame excuse,” expect her to have a change of heart too. Presumably the plan going forward is to let the matter drop and then, when Cheney gets his docs, to accuse him of trying to refight old battles from which the country’s moved on. Savor the irony.


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nukes would take big bites out of the population.

the_nile on April 24, 2009 at 6:07 PM

Thanks for proving my point about irrational fears.

e-pirate on April 24, 2009 at 6:08 PM

e-pirate on April 24, 2009 at 6:00 PM

So, since you were privy to the CIA operations, why didn’t you stop the waterboarding?

Johan Klaus on April 24, 2009 at 6:08 PM

As far as Dick Cheney being a bed wetting coward, if Clinton had done his job…there would not have been a 9/11. Bush might not blame him, but I do.

Terrye on April 24, 2009 at 6:04 PM

Really goes back to Carter and there is plenty of blame to go around since then, however to unravel what had been accomplished is modeled by Clinton and Obama is walking in Clinton’s shoes.

Wade on April 24, 2009 at 6:08 PM

ses:

You guys love water boarding doncha. The hysterical moral preening is just so comical. This coming from people who idolize Che and Mao.

Terrye on April 24, 2009 at 6:09 PM

Let the DoJ, the Justice branch, deal with them.
Like the Founders intended.

I hope they hang ‘em high.

strangelet on April 24, 2009 at 5:52 PM

Speaking of the founders…

Pretty ruthless bunch. They didn’t exactly follow the established protocols of international diplomacy or warfare in their time, did they?

They won. We should study their passion, persistence and victory in the pursuit of higher ideals.

cs89 on April 24, 2009 at 6:09 PM

So, you predicted 9-11, or 9-11 never happened?

Johan Klaus on April 24, 2009 at 6:04 PM

The left wing logic is that if those nice people hadn’t been water boarded and Bush invaded Iraq , 9/11 would never have happened.

Everything evil started with Bush.

the_nile on April 24, 2009 at 6:09 PM

Releasing memos that say we torture = political, places country at risk.

Releasing memos that say “here is the actionable intelligence we got from detainees, please don’t arrest Cheney” = not political, A-OK, etc

Thanks for the clarification, Dick.

e-pirate on April 24, 2009 at 5:31 PM

Hey your boy opened the can of worms and poured half of them out. Too late to put them back, might as well pour the rest out.

Greed on April 24, 2009 at 6:09 PM

So, you predicted 9-11, or 9-11 never happened?

Johan Klaus on April 24, 2009 at 6:04 PM

Great point. I might also ask anyone to help me with this one thing.

Libs write off the savage behavior of nearly everyone else in the world based on past against transgressions against them.

Why aren’t American allowed to have a healthy fear of the intentions of radical Islamist after 9-11? Christians are still blamed for the strife because of the Crusades centuries later, but I’m not even allowed to be pissed or fearful of another 9-11 after eight short years.

hawkdriver on April 24, 2009 at 6:10 PM

Which U.S. city would you sacrifice

Johan Klaus on April 24, 2009 at 6:03 PM

Wait, we’re going to lose a city now?
The worst terrorist attack to hit America killed 3000 people, .01% of the population of New York.

Is it your belief the next attack by some guys in caves will take out a city?

e-pirate on April 24, 2009 at 6:10 PM

e-pirate on April 24, 2009 at 6:05 PM

Another one who thinks that torture hasn’t been going on everywhere for decades, including the west.

Then again, President Obowa has kept extraordinary rendition intact, so all the lefties out there can wallow in pity for the terrorists who are getting truly tortured by experts.

Bishop on April 24, 2009 at 6:11 PM

Wade:

Yes, indeed there is enough blame to go around. And I bet that if Clinton had it to do again, he would kill Osama no matter what the collateral damage was. He might even water board a couple of people to get to Zawhiri. Who knows? But these guys want to go back to 9/10/2001..oblivious to the fact that what followed was 9/11.

Terrye on April 24, 2009 at 6:11 PM

Sure, go jackbauer if you need to.
But at the time, and in situ.
And I’m sure that WWII paratroopers in Germany might have spontaneously pistol whipped some intell of an in-situ prisoner in theater.
But to freakin’ plan for torture, and pre-legalize it with sketchy judicial opinons????
You are kiddin’ meh.
Those guyz are criminals.
Release ALL the docs and let the DoJ have them.

strangelet on April 24, 2009 at 6:12 PM

Seriously, what is a “proven” method of getting vital national security information out of men that would sooner die than look at us?

hawkdriver on April 24, 2009 at 6:03 PM
Good point. Nobody has ever been interrogated prior to 9/11.

We’ve never had enemies or fought in any wars, so we have no experience interrogating people.

Thank god hawkdriver is here to set us all straight.

e-pirate on April 24, 2009 at 6:05 PM

Thanks for proving my point. This is the best we have. They aren’t afraid of dying, let’s use something that does scare them.

Next subject.

hawkdriver on April 24, 2009 at 6:13 PM

CHENEY kicks ass.
Cheney/Palin 2012!!!

jencab on April 24, 2009 at 6:13 PM

9/11 is the fault of everyone except whoever was actually president on 9/11!

e-pirate on April 24, 2009 at 6:13 PM

I’m still waiting for these magical methods you Donks keep referring to.

hawkdriver on April 24, 2009 at 6:03 PM

interrogation methods currently used by the FBI.

sesquipedalian on April 24, 2009 at 6:13 PM

e-pirate:

Remember Clark, that guy who became such a hero to the left after he turned on the Bushies? I remember seeing him on a 60 Minutes segment back in 2000 saying that the likelihood of a mass casualty terrorist attack on an American city was 100%.

But then again, unless you are one of the dead, it ain’t sweat of your behind now is it?

Terrye on April 24, 2009 at 6:13 PM

Speaking of the founders…

Pretty ruthless bunch. They didn’t exactly follow the established protocols of international diplomacy or warfare in their time, did they?

They won. We should study their passion, persistence and victory in the pursuit of higher ideals.

cs89 on April 24, 2009 at 6:09 PM

I recently read 1776. Great book. Several times during that year, before imminent battles, General George Washington himself issued orders that any man that showed cowardice in battle was to be shot immediately.
I don’t believe there was any mention or due process or worry about their rights.
Would that he were in charge again…

redshirt on April 24, 2009 at 6:14 PM

Is it your belief the next attack by some guys in caves will take out a city?

e-pirate on April 24, 2009 at 6:10 PM

For the moment , they NOW live in caves for a reason.

the_nile on April 24, 2009 at 6:14 PM

strangelet, you still didn’t answer whether you meant to “literally” hang them.

hawkdriver on April 24, 2009 at 6:14 PM

interrogation methods currently used by the FBI.

sesquipedalian on April 24, 2009 at 6:13 PM

Specifically?

hawkdriver on April 24, 2009 at 6:14 PM

I have a simple solution that involves no “enhanced” techniques…follow the Geneva convention, no flag, no uniform, one bullet.

Les in NC on April 24, 2009 at 6:14 PM

interrogation methods currently used by the FBI.

sesquipedalian on April 24, 2009 at 6:13 PM

What interrogation methods are available after a suspect asks for a lawyer and invokes his right to remain silent?

rw on April 24, 2009 at 6:15 PM

ses:

A lot of those methods that are used now, were used then. And they are always coming up with new methods…and even now there is a loophole in that legislation that allows for enhanced interrogation in the case of a ticking bomb scenario..which means the FBI is prepared to use those harsher techniques again.

Terrye on April 24, 2009 at 6:15 PM

The hysterical moral preening is just so comical. This coming from people who idolize Che and Mao.

Terrye on April 24, 2009 at 6:09 PM

exactly. i wear che on my undies everyday. BTW, remember when nixon smiled at mao and the western civilization ended?

sesquipedalian on April 24, 2009 at 6:17 PM

Sure, go jackbauer if you need to.
But at the time, and in situ.
And I’m sure that WWII paratroopers in Germany might have spontaneously pistol whipped some intell of an in-situ prisoner in theater.
But to freakin’ plan for torture, and pre-legalize it with sketchy judicial opinons????
You are kiddin’ meh.
Those guyz are criminals.
Release ALL the docs and let the DoJ have them.

strangelet on April 24, 2009 at 6:12 PM

So, in other words, sometimes it is OK?

redshirt on April 24, 2009 at 6:17 PM

What interrogation methods are available after a suspect asks for a lawyer and invokes his right to remain silent?

rw on April 24, 2009 at 6:15 PM

Obama cabinet position.

the_nile on April 24, 2009 at 6:17 PM

Is it your belief the next attack by some guys in caves will take out a city?

Not to stoke any ‘fear’, but are you paying attention to what’s happening in Pakistan? Are you aware they have nukes? Or do you actually believe The One will wave a magic wand and somehow pull those weapons out of harms way.

GarandFan on April 24, 2009 at 6:17 PM

The worst terrorist attack to hit America killed 3000 people, .01% of the population of New York.

Well, when you put it that way, the number of dead really was insignificant, unless of course you were one of them.

So what is the acceptable number of dead a city the size of New York can suffer in an attack before it becomes a problem?

Bishop on April 24, 2009 at 6:18 PM

e-pirate:

Back when Democrats actually liked to pretend that they cared about national security the fear was rogue nations giving weapons to terrorists. I can recall speeches by Clinton administration officials on that very subject a decade ago. No one called them liars or fools. And even now Obama is allowing drones to bomb villages in Pakistan, so he must be at least a little concerned about some guys in caves.

Terrye on April 24, 2009 at 6:18 PM

Yeah right. Only a 3,000 dead people. Those dead victims are no where near as important as 3 dead live terrorists who were water boarded.

Terrye on April 24, 2009 at 6:19 PM

e-pirate on April 24, 2009 at 6:10 PM

Your buds in caves are about to take over nuclear weapons in Pakistan. Of course, they would never use them against the U.S., would they?

Johan Klaus on April 24, 2009 at 6:19 PM

That should be 3 live terrorists. Wishful thinking I guess.

Terrye on April 24, 2009 at 6:20 PM

So, in other words, sometimes it is OK?
redshirt on April 24, 2009 at 6:17 PM

I guess it is, as long as you don’t have a plan. If you grab a guy out in the field, erect a portable waterboard and start asking questions, it’s all okey dokey; just don’t bring them back to base where the permanent waterboard is.

Bishop on April 24, 2009 at 6:21 PM

I have a simple solution that involves no “enhanced” techniques…follow the Geneva convention, no flag, no uniform, one bullet.

Les in NC on April 24, 2009 at 6:14 PM

The “A” answer.

From Saving Private Ryan: “Look, I washed my hands for supper.”

BuckeyeSam on April 24, 2009 at 6:21 PM

ses:

Yep. I am sure you do. And I am sure that a decade ago who wrote hysterical letters to your Congress critters demanding an end to rendition too.

No one cared about anything like this until the left thought it was politically useful to them. That is all this is, political preening from people who do not hesitate to pander to folks who do a whole lot worse than interrogate someone.

Terrye on April 24, 2009 at 6:23 PM

he worst terrorist attack to hit America killed 3000 people, .01% of the population of New York.

Well, when you put it that way, the number of dead really was insignificant, unless of course you were one of them.

So what is the acceptable number of dead a city the size of New York can suffer in an attack before it becomes a problem?

Bishop on April 24, 2009 at 6:18 PM

The left is truly sick ,rationalizing away 3000 DEAD people over waterboarding 3 people who committed it . They never reach logic.

the_nile on April 24, 2009 at 6:23 PM

Gerald Warner is a gem. I wish we had reporters like him here in the US.

President Pantywaist Obama should have thought twice before sitting down to play poker with Dick Cheney.

carbon_footprint on April 24, 2009 at 6:23 PM

2000 and 2004 Bush and Cheny won get over it Libs.

how about focusing on the Future like you promised or are you afraid to debate that ?

William Amos on April 24, 2009 at 6:24 PM

CHENEY 2012!

ThePrez on April 24, 2009 at 6:24 PM

Whats fun now is that Cheney now can provoke the lunatic left to dig themselves deep into this. He now is the puppeteer.

the_nile on April 24, 2009 at 6:25 PM

strangelet, you still didn’t answer whether you meant to “literally” hang them.

hawkdriver on April 24, 2009 at 6:14 PM

It was figurative.
I am a law-abiding mini-black hole.

strangelet on April 24, 2009 at 6:25 PM

The only way to defeat a ruthless opponent is to show said opponent that you are willing to be just as ruthless as he to defeat him. Our Military and Intelligence services have to make their enemy believe that we will do whatever it takes to ensure or victory.
These men and women are what I like to call Alpha-Americans.
Those who live under the safety and freedom that these Great Americans afford them and complain and denigrate the manner in which they do it I like to call Beta-Americans.
If you have a problem with the manner in which that this country is defended I suggest that you pick up a weapon and join the fight or shut up and go on your merry way. Either way I don’t care what you think they should do or how they should do it.

thomasaur on April 24, 2009 at 6:25 PM

9/11 is the fault of everyone except whoever was actually president on 9/11!

getalife’s sister on April 24, 2009 at 6:13 PM

Washington, April 9, 2004. A hush fell over the city as George W. Bush today became the first president of the United States ever to be removed from office by impeachment. Meeting late into the night, the Senate unanimously voted to convict Bush following a trial on his bill of impeachment from the House.

Moments after being sworn in as the 44th president, Dick Cheney said that disgraced former national security adviser Condoleezza Rice would be turned over to the Hague for trial in the International Court of Justice as a war criminal. Cheney said Washington would “firmly resist” international demands that Bush be extradited for prosecution as well.

On August 7, 2001, Bush had ordered the United States military to stage an all-out attack on alleged terrorist camps in Afghanistan. Thousands of U.S. special forces units parachuted into this neutral country, while air strikes targeted the Afghan government and its supporting military. Pentagon units seized abandoned Soviet air bases throughout Afghanistan, while establishing support bases in nearby nations such as Uzbekistan. Simultaneously, FBI agents throughout the United States staged raids in which dozens of men accused of terrorism were taken prisoner.

Reaction was swift and furious. Florida Senator Bob Graham said Bush had “brought shame to the United States with his paranoid delusions about so-called terror networks.” British Prime Minister Tony Blair accused the United States of “an inexcusable act of conquest in plain violation of international law.” White House chief counterterrorism advisor Richard Clarke immediately resigned in protest of “a disgusting exercise in over-kill.”

When dozens of U.S. soldiers were slain in gun battles with fighters in the Afghan mountains, public opinion polls showed the nation overwhelmingly opposed to Bush’s action. Political leaders of both parties called on Bush to withdraw U.S. forces from Afghanistan immediately. “We are supposed to believe that attacking people in caves in some place called Tora Bora is worth the life of even one single U.S. soldier?” former Nebraska Senator Bob Kerrey asked.

When an off-target U.S. bomb killed scores of Afghan civilians who had taken refuge in a mosque, Spanish Prime Minister Jose Aznar announced a global boycott of American products. The United Nations General Assembly voted to condemn the United States, and Washington was forced into the humiliating position of vetoing a Security Council resolution declaring America guilty of “criminal acts of aggression.”

Bush justified his attack on Afghanistan, and the detention of 19 men of Arab descent who had entered the country legally, on grounds of intelligence reports suggesting an imminent, devastating attack on the United States. But no such attack ever occurred, leading to widespread ridicule of Bush’s claims. Speaking before a special commission created by Congress to investigate Bush’s anti-terrorism actions, former national security adviser Rice shocked and horrified listeners when she admitted, “We had no actionable warnings of any specific threat, just good reason to believe something really bad was about to happen.”

The president fired Rice immediately after her admission, but this did little to quell public anger regarding the war in Afghanistan. When it was revealed that U.S. special forces were also carrying out attacks against suspected terrorist bases in Indonesia and Pakistan, fury against the United States became universal, with even Israel condemning American action as “totally unjustified.”

Speaking briefly to reporters on the South Lawn of the White House before a helicopter carried him out of Washington as the first-ever president removed by impeachment, Bush seemed bitter. “I was given bad advice,” he insisted. “My advisers told me that unless we took decisive action, thousands of innocent Americans might die. Obviously I should not have listened.”

Announcing his candidacy for the 2004 Republican presidential nomination, Senator John McCain said today that “George W. Bush was very foolish and naïve; he didn’t realize he was being pushed into this needless conflict by oil interests that wanted to seize Afghanistan to run a pipeline across it.” McCain spoke at a campaign rally at the World Trade Center in New York City.

Del Dolemonte on April 24, 2009 at 6:26 PM

Wait, we’re going to lose a city now?
The worst terrorist attack to hit America killed 3000 people, .01% of the population of New York.

Is it your belief the next attack by some guys in caves will take out a city?

e-pirate on April 24, 2009 at 6:10 PM

So I guess unless its a whole city, then idiots like you don’t give a crap.

You ever hear of nuclear weapons dude?

Funny how Getalife says he’s leaving and never coming back, then somebody with the same ‘intellect’ comes by.

Coincidence?

RedbonePro on April 24, 2009 at 6:26 PM

Hey Buttpirate,

You are way out of your league. There are some here who have worked in the Intel bizz and have reading yours and all the other your Leftie BS here, it is a f*ckin joke.

You don’t know the rules of any of the agencies or the protocol involved. Have a nice day.

Old Hippie Vet on April 24, 2009 at 6:26 PM

strangelet on April 24, 2009 at 6:25 PM

Reassuring.

Later all.

hawkdriver on April 24, 2009 at 6:26 PM

I can recall speeches by Clinton administration officials on that very subject a decade ago. No one called them liars or fools.
Terrye on April 24, 2009 at 6:18 PM

Nobody said “time to institute torture” either.

The government is

supposed

to track terrorists, capture them, interrogate them, use drones in Pakistan etc. I fully support all those activities.

On top of all other counterintelligence activities, should we torture detainees because omg they r scary? Of course not.

e-pirate on April 24, 2009 at 6:26 PM

“President Pantywaist Obama should have thought twice before sitting down to play poker with Dick Cheney.”

BOOM…….. SHAKA-LAKA!!!

Seven Percent Solution on April 24, 2009 at 6:27 PM

The left is truly sick ,rationalizing away 3000 DEAD people over waterboarding 3 people who committed it . They never reach logic.
the_nile on April 24, 2009 at 6:23 PM

Well the libs do have a point, there is no need to worry about a bunch of guys living in a cave.

It’s not as if they would ever be able to hijack four planes and fly them into our buildings, or blow up a commuter train, or demolish a few buses and subway cars, or destroy a military barracks with a truck bomb, or smash a U.S. Navy warship.

Come on, they’re just a bunch of guys living in caves.

Bishop on April 24, 2009 at 6:27 PM

strangelet on April 24, 2009 at 6:12 PM

e-pirate on April 24, 2009 at 6:10 PM

sesquipedalian on April 24, 2009 at 6:17 PM

Would you’ll go for feeding them a bacon sandwich.

Johan Klaus on April 24, 2009 at 6:28 PM

Good point. Nobody has ever been interrogated prior to 9/11.

We’ve never had enemies or fought in any wars, so we have no experience interrogating people.

Thank god hawkdriver is here to set us all straight.

e-pirate on April 24, 2009 at 6:05 PM

Since we’re not a banana republic until now, how do you know what interrogation methods were previously used? How many of our prisoners had worse done to them to protect this country?

What if Clinton had used these methods? Could we have averted 9/11?

Personally, if it causes pain or mental distress, but not permanent injury, it’s not torture, though we should only do things like this to people caught on the battlefield engaged in battle against us.

PastorJon on April 24, 2009 at 6:28 PM

So, in other words, sometimes it is OK?
redshirt on April 24, 2009 at 6:17 PM

Yes. Sometimes it is ok. But it is NEVER legal.
You need a special waterboard? Built to government torture standards?
F*ck off, criminal.
MY country doesn’t torture.

strangelet on April 24, 2009 at 6:31 PM

e-pirate:

Yes, we did interrogate people before 9/11, but we did not have one of the two political parties using those interrogations to pretend some sort of moral superiority. We did have John Kerry and his army of Genghis Khan testimony, but once he got some publicity out of that it kind of petered out.

Terrye on April 24, 2009 at 6:32 PM

rw on April 24, 2009 at 6:15 PM
hawkdriver on April 24, 2009 at 6:14 PM

i have no specifics to offer beyond what i understand to be a wide variety of methods, from a trust-based one to some amount of physical intimidation. having a long experience in prosecuting organized crime, and excellent intelligence on al qaeda, the FBI should be interrogating these people, not the CIA. if we capture suspects, they should be brought to American soil and interrogated here by the FBI. if captured on the battlefield, they should be interrogated by military officers following the guidelines of the army field manual. does this sound revolutionary to you?

sesquipedalian on April 24, 2009 at 6:33 PM

On top of all other counterintelligence activities, should we torture detainees because omg they r scary? Of course not.
e-pirate on April 24, 2009 at 6:26 PM

Yeah, that’s it, we put the technique to the terrorists because they’re scary, not because they might know something we need to know.

What next, our soldiers are murdering Iraqi babies for the fun of it?

Bishop on April 24, 2009 at 6:33 PM

strangelt:

Who says it is never legal? My understanding is that even under the 2006 law there was a loophole included that would allow for exceptions to be made..thereby making it legal.

Terrye on April 24, 2009 at 6:34 PM

This is not going away. The Boychurian Candidate has unleashed hell, on himself. The rabid Left smells blood in the water, but they don’t realize it’s theirs.

EMD on April 24, 2009 at 6:34 PM

Yes. Sometimes it is ok. But it is NEVER legal.

I’ll give $1000 of Olberman’s dollars to anyone who can explain that to me.

Bishop on April 24, 2009 at 6:35 PM

e-pirate:

I think the whole torture narrative is bogus. You do not even believe it. You don’t care about these people. You just want to have something to beat the other guy over the head with and right now getting all morally outraged and screeching torture at the top of your lungs is the best weapon you have.

Terrye on April 24, 2009 at 6:37 PM

Yes. Sometimes it is ok. But it is NEVER legal.

I’ll give $1000 of Olberman’s dollars to anyone who can explain that to me.

Bishop on April 24, 2009 at 6:35 PM

She’s an idiot and very misinformed.

Our JAG is in on daily decisions and evaluations of the ROE and how they affect current operations. They have to be these days. It’s no different echelons above.

hawkdriver on April 24, 2009 at 6:38 PM

Presumably the plan going forward is to let the matter drop and then, when Cheney gets his docs, to accuse him of trying to refight old battles from which the country’s moved on. Savor the irony.

Ed, the plan going forward is to release the photos which will incite more outrage and get more people on Obama’s side. Remember, it’s Chicago politics now.

therightscoop on April 24, 2009 at 6:38 PM

e-pirate on April 24, 2009 at 6:26 PM

And, what do you think of U.S. citizens right to purchase scary looking weapons.

Johan Klaus on April 24, 2009 at 6:39 PM

Yes. Sometimes it is ok. But it is NEVER legal.

I’ll give $1000 of Olberman’s dollars to anyone who can explain that to me.

Bishop on April 24, 2009 at 6:35 PM

I could try but removal of the frotal lobe is necessary for true understanding.

Les in NC on April 24, 2009 at 6:39 PM

MY country doesn’t torture.

strangelet on April 24, 2009 at 6:31 PM

Well , Obama doesnt exclude it . How do you handle that.

the_nile on April 24, 2009 at 6:39 PM

I’ll give $1000 of Olberman’s dollars to anyone who can explain that to me.

Bishop on April 24, 2009 at 6:35 PM

That’s just MoveOn sh*t talk. Read it closely and you will see how the Socialist/Communists frame a sentence to draw you in. Some people actually fall for it.

Old Hippie Vet on April 24, 2009 at 6:40 PM

OKay, many of you are blaming years past, Clinton, Carter, etc, for the terrorist attacks.

I Blame the Terrorists!!!!!!!!!!!!

bridgetown on April 24, 2009 at 6:40 PM

These people are such hypocrites. I have often wondered what the reaction would have been if Bush had been president when 80 people were burned to death in Waco after the government moved in forces. Those people were Americans. They all had rights. Many of them were children. Death by fire would be a lot worse than water boarding. And if Bush had been president I can only imagine the eye ball popping hysterics we would have endured.

Terrye on April 24, 2009 at 6:41 PM

Ed, the plan going forward is to release the photos which will incite more outrage and get more people on Obama’s side. Remember, it’s Chicago politics now.

therightscoop on April 24, 2009 at 6:38 PM

Do you think he will follow through , it looks like obama is losing support for that stunt.

the_nile on April 24, 2009 at 6:41 PM

A MAN calling out a BOY in his dad’s subsidized suit. Let’s see what you got Barry, you unamerican piece of garbage. Never had a job. Have never done SH*T.

marklmail on April 24, 2009 at 6:41 PM

I could try but removal of the frotal lobe is necessary for true understanding.
Les in NC on April 24, 2009 at 6:39 PM

You mean I need to be….*shudder*….a liberal?

Bishop on April 24, 2009 at 6:41 PM

Torture! Torture! Torture! Pay no attention to the TEA Parties, the DHS Secretary, Nukes in Pakistan, and the fact that the President is in way over his head. We must talk about the three Terrorists getting wet. Torture! Torture! Torture!

You Trolls are pitiful. Just pit-i-ful. The lights are coming on. You guys need to scurry back under the refrigerator.

kingsjester on April 24, 2009 at 6:41 PM

Terrye on April 24, 2009 at 6:37 PM

Exactly! Right On, Terrye!

bridgetown on April 24, 2009 at 6:42 PM

MY country doesn’t torture.

strangelet on April 24, 2009 at 6:31 PM

Hahaha … hahahahahahaha

Can we put a uniform on this one and airdrop his or her ass into Afghanistan? Preferably with a special forces unit?

darwin on April 24, 2009 at 6:42 PM

Yes. Sometimes it is ok. But it is NEVER legal.
You need a special waterboard? Built to government torture standards?
F*ck off, criminal.
MY country doesn’t torture.

strangelet on April 24, 2009 at 6:31 PM

How do you assure that the soldiers in the field won’t be prosecuted? There has to be a legal protection.

redshirt on April 24, 2009 at 6:43 PM

So, in other words, sometimes it is OK?
redshirt on April 24, 2009 at 6:17 PM

So the cursing starts.

Johan Klaus on April 24, 2009 at 6:43 PM

Funny how Getalife says he’s leaving and never coming back, then somebody with the same ‘intellect’ comes by.

Coincidence?

RedbonePro on April 24, 2009 at 6:26 PM

No coincidence necessary. It’s all just liberal group think, supported by daily reinforcement by talking-point-lists. The lists are beamed to chips that have been implanted in their heads. It’s kind of like an early version of twitter. Hence the homogeneous nature of low intellect.

Yoop on April 24, 2009 at 6:44 PM

MY country doesn’t torture.
strangelet on April 24, 2009 at 6:31 PM

Apparently your country led by your boy has no problem sending detainees to countries that specialize in torture in an effort to gain information.

You must be whirling in a depressive angst over that news.

Bishop on April 24, 2009 at 6:44 PM

therightscoop:

I am not so sure that will work out for Obama. I know he is thinking he can blame Bush for everything forever, but this is his decision and he will have to be responsible for the consequences.

I know Democrats don’t think like that. Barney Frank does not think he is responsible for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Pelosi does not think she is responsible for the looming problems in social security. As far as these people are concerned, they want all the power and none of the blame..but if this causes death and mayhem Obama’s piss poor judgment might be questioned.

Terrye on April 24, 2009 at 6:44 PM

You mean I need to be….*shudder*….a liberal?

Bishop on April 24, 2009 at 6:41 PM

Precisely and I enjoy your posts too much for that to happen.

Les in NC on April 24, 2009 at 6:44 PM

My country does not torture. What a sanctimonious little prig you are. What do you think was going on in the cold war? Hell to hear you guys tell it even letting woman question these men is torture.

Terrye on April 24, 2009 at 6:45 PM

Terrye on April 24, 2009 at 6:37 PM

cite please.
where is TORTURE legal?

I repeat, release all the memos, Obama has other things to do, let the judical branch deal with the mess.
Obama can step in IFF (if and only if) he decides to pardon anyone.

strangelet on April 24, 2009 at 6:45 PM

Your buds in caves are about to take over nuclear weapons in Pakistan. Of course, they would never use them against the U.S., would they?

Johan Klaus on April 24, 2009 at 6:19 PM

Im sure they would have no problem giving nukes to alqaeda. But if the taliban nuke anything it would be kabul. I dont think they have a problem killing other Afganistans. Bringing any resemblance of govenment to its knees. Leaving a big vacuum for them to fill.

Greed on April 24, 2009 at 6:45 PM

So, in other words, sometimes it is OK?
redshirt on April 24, 2009 at 6:17 PM

So the cursing starts.

Johan Klaus on April 24, 2009 at 6:43 PM
Um, are you accusing me of cursing?
Or causing cursing by making sense?

redshirt on April 24, 2009 at 6:46 PM

Bishop:

They could care less. If Obama wants to send people to some Egyptian prison where they end up being put up against a wall and shot, it is fine with them. As long as Cheney isn’t involved.

Terrye on April 24, 2009 at 6:47 PM

“Hey peeps–real quick clarification pls–the pics that were released in the Abu Ghraib (sp) fiasco were taken by soldiers that had their cameras confiscated, yes?? so the next set of pics that are supposed to be released…Who took them?”

Equality 7-2521 on April 24, 2009 at 5:36 PM

The pics were taken last week by Rahm Emanuel, Obama, and Janet Napalidumbo, Michael Moore did the staging and editing, they were taken on a sound stage in Hollywood. Acorn volunteers provided the talent. San-Fran-Nan, who was present, will later say that she heard about this, but didn’t think it would actually be used. Hillary will blame a “vast rightwing conspiracy”, Bill will say “I did not have sex with that woman”, Obama will say he inherited it from the Bush administration, then apologize to Zimbabwe.

M-14 2go on April 24, 2009 at 6:47 PM

MY country doesn’t torture.

strangelet on April 24, 2009 at 6:31 PM

What is the word; I think that it starts with an r; oh yes, rendition.

Johan Klaus on April 24, 2009 at 6:47 PM

Apparently your country led by your boy has no problem sending detainees to countries that specialize in torture in an effort to gain information.

You must be whirling in a depressive angst over that news.

Bishop on April 24, 2009 at 6:44 PM

LOL I was going to wait to drop that one them but….it’s all good. LOL

Old Hippie Vet on April 24, 2009 at 6:47 PM

You go, Cheney.

He’s the only Republican I’ve seen lately who doesn’t have to grow a pair. Newt comes a close second, but the rest are pansies, including Steele (maybe ESPECIALLY Steele).

Daggett on April 24, 2009 at 6:48 PM

Terrye on April 24, 2009 at 6:45 PM

I am not a sanctimonious little prig.
I am a law-abiding mini-black hole.
TORTURE is illegal in America.
Otherwise Bybee wouldn’t have had to write memos redefining it.

strangelet on April 24, 2009 at 6:49 PM

redshirt on April 24, 2009 at 6:46 PM

I accuse you of causing.

Johan Klaus on April 24, 2009 at 6:49 PM

Apparently your country led by your boy has no problem sending detainees to countries that specialize in torture in an effort to gain information.

Bishop on April 24, 2009 at 6:44 PM

as long as we don’t ask those countries to torture information out of them for us, what do we care where they go?

sesquipedalian on April 24, 2009 at 6:50 PM

strangelet:

Where is torture legal? I never said it was. I am saying that in case of a ticking bomb scenario the government retains the right to use enhanced interrogation. You guys are the ones who seem to think that anything other than reading these people their rights is torture.

It has such a nice ring to it, doesn’t it? It allows you the opportunity to strut and lecture and moralize. My country does not torture the brave liberal screeched in indignation.

Terrye on April 24, 2009 at 6:50 PM

strangelet on April 24, 2009 at 6:49 PM

Obama, rendition.

Johan Klaus on April 24, 2009 at 6:51 PM

I repeat, release all the memos, Obama has other things to do, let the judical branch deal with the mess.
Obama can step in IFF (if and only if) he decides to pardon anyone.
strangelet on April 24, 2009 at 6:45 PM

A useless endeavor; Bush, Cheney, Rice, etc. can simply claim they thought it was “ok” to use coercive techniques on detainees.

They can use you as a material witness since you agree with that notion. I should warn you though, you are probably going to lose your liberal cred after taking the stand to defend Dick Cheney.

Bishop on April 24, 2009 at 6:51 PM

I am a law-abiding mini-black hole.

strangelet on April 24, 2009 at 6:49 PM

So many come-backs, so little time.

hawkdriver on April 24, 2009 at 6:51 PM

He’s having way fun with this.

AnninCA on April 24, 2009 at 6:51 PM

sesquipedalian:

But we do ask them to get information for us. How do you think Clinton got the information he got on the millenium bombers?

I love the attitude. It is okay fine for the messiah to send captured people off to certain torture at the hands of shady allies, just so long as we don’t get any useful information out of them.

Hypocrite.

Terrye on April 24, 2009 at 6:52 PM

sesquipedalian on April 24, 2009 at 6:50 PM

I guess you’re the one and only donk that wasn’t up in arms about reditions when it was the Bush Administration doing it.

hawkdriver on April 24, 2009 at 6:52 PM

as long as we don’t ask those countries to torture information out of them for us, what do we care where they go?

sesquipedalian on April 24, 2009 at 6:50 PM

So, as long as you don’t know, it is OK?

Johan Klaus on April 24, 2009 at 6:53 PM

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