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Shep flips out: “We do not f***ing torture!”

posted at 3:25 pm on April 23, 2009 by Allahpundit
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From yesterday’s “Strategy Room,” a candid if predictable reaction to Blair’s admission that enhanced interrogation works: “I don’t give a rat’s ass if it helps!” Most of the mindless absolutism on this subject has come from the left; nice to see Shep upholding the tradition. Pew’s out with a poll today that I’m reluctant to link because the margin of error by party is so huge (eight points in the case of the GOP), but for what it’s worth, 49 percent of the public thinks torturing terrorists is often or sometimes justified, including 54 percent of independents. Toss in those who say it’s justified in rare cases and you’re up to 71 percent. The most interesting data point is the partisan shift in the last few months. As of February, 22 percent of Republicans said it was often justified versus just nine percent of Dems; two months into Hopenchange, the GOP number’s down to 15 and the Democratic number’s up to 12, proving that America’s comfort with the practice depends to some extent on how much they trust the occupant of the White House. In fact, only 44 percent of independents thought torture was at least sometimes justified as of February versus 54 percent now — which suggests, ironically, that their greater confidence in Obama not to abuse the practice has made them more enthusiastic for it.

While we’re on this topic, I should correct an egregious error I made yesterday. In the Hillary post, I said that the torture debate isn’t academic. In reality, it’s entirely academic. Read Gutfeld’s latest and you’ll see why. When push comes to shove, if Obama has reason to believe that detainees in CIA custody have info that might stop an impending attack, rest assured that he’ll give the order to slap it out of them if need be. If he doesn’t and we’re hit, he’s finished politically; whatever queasiness about stress positions that the public feels now will evaporate and they’ll turn on him viciously, and he surely knows it. Even if he’s personally squeamish, he’s not going to blow his shot at a second term for the sake of not breaking Andrew Sullivan’s bleeding heart. Content warning.


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Sheepherder Smith belongs on MSNBC, I won’t watch him. He’s too stupid to be on Fox. Hey Shep, waterboarding has been the policy under every president since FDR, get a clue!

nelsonknows on April 24, 2009 at 12:39 AM

Man I love Shep lol. I hope to see him in our bar this weekend, I think he lives around the corner from me, i’ll have to shake his hand for this.

Rbastid on April 24, 2009 at 12:50 AM

Well, he’s right, we don’t F’ng torture. Waterboarding. Is. NOT. Torture. Anyone that disagrees, I suggest you go back to the movie Braveheart (1995) and watch the William Wallace execution scene. Now THAT.IS.F’ng.TORTURE.

long_cat on April 24, 2009 at 1:59 AM

To sum up most of the people in this thread and every tortuous torture thread:

• Forcing someone to repeatedly aspirate water for 40 seconds so that their body tells them they are dying, invoking an uncontrollable and traumatizing panic is not torture. Drowning is fun!
• Everyone we waterboard is definitely a terrorist. Why else would we be waterboarding them? Are you suggesting that America tortu– er, does fun water-pouring stuff with innocent people? How dare you accuse our military of making a mistake!
Accused terrorists can’t be coaxed or reasoned with. They’re animals who only respond to pain water play time.
• Every accused terrorist has information about upcoming terrorism attacks. Even the ones that we’ve had imprisoned for over seven years without charge.
• The information that the accused terrorists have always involves a ticking time bomb.
• If you are against so-called-torture, you hate terrorism victims and their families.
• Supporting torture is noble, manly, and just. And Jesus totally approves.
• It’s only torture if you’re using a sharp instrument to cut into someone.
• It’s not torture if we do it.
• We could just execute everyone at Gitmo and solve this whole moral conundrum.

Mark Jaquith on April 24, 2009 at 5:11 AM

Mark Jaquith on April 24, 2009 at 5:11 AM

Just for your info, in waterboarding, you don’t “aspirate” water. Your mouth and nose are covered with plastic wrap and you get no water inside of you. But it is a sensation of drowning. During my military training we had it done to us. I assure you – IT SUCKS!!! And I guarantee you the three terrorists enemy combatants accused, misunderstood, freedom fighters whom we waterboarded would agree with me on how much it sucks.

As for whether it was warranted, that’s your opinion and you’re welcome to it. But be sure you tell the two or three thousand Los Angelenos (who weren’t killed in the attack that didn’t happen) know you believe Khalid Sheik Mohamads “civil rights” are more important to you than their lives, and their children’s lives.

Of course, according to the Geneva Convention he has no rights – and could be summarily shot for being a spy – but we’re better than that, right?

Squiggy on April 24, 2009 at 6:26 AM

waterboarding is not torture..now chopping ones head off IS TORTURE!…Get a clue Shep..He`s like a baby thats having a tantrum!

Lou on April 24, 2009 at 7:36 AM

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