Hoekstra: Capitol Hill a glass house on interrogations
posted at 8:44 am on April 23, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
Rep. Pete Hoekstra (R-MI) challenges both his colleagues on Capitol Hill and the Barack Obama administration to honest debate on the interrogations of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and Abu Zubaydah in today’s Wall Street Journal. Hoekstra, the ranking Republican on the House Intelligence Committee, accuses Obama of dishonesty by selectively releasing memos from the program — and he accuses Congress of cowardice by not admitting their own role in sanctioning the interrogations. He wants names and dates made public in this debate, a prospect that will likely chill enthusiasm on the Hill:
Unfortunately, on April 21, Mr. Obama backtracked and opened the door to possible prosecution of Justice Department attorneys who provided legal advice with respect to the enhanced interrogations program. The president also signaled that he may support some kind of independent inquiry into the program. It seems that he has capitulated to left-wing groups and some in Congress who are demanding show trials over this program.
Members of Congress calling for an investigation of the enhanced interrogation program should remember that such an investigation can’t be a selective review of information, or solely focus on the lawyers who wrote the memos, or the low-level employees who carried out this program. I have asked Mr. Blair to provide me with a list of the dates, locations and names of all members of Congress who attended briefings on enhanced interrogation techniques.
Any investigation must include this information as part of a review of those in Congress and the Bush administration who reviewed and supported this program. To get a complete picture of the enhanced interrogation program, a fair investigation will also require that the Obama administration release the memos requested by former Vice President Dick Cheney on the successes of this program.
An honest and thorough review of the enhanced interrogation program must also assess the likely damage done to U.S. national security by Mr. Obama’s decision to release the memos over the objections of Mr. Panetta and four of his predecessors. Such a review should assess what this decision communicated to our enemies, and also whether it will discourage intelligence professionals from offering their frank opinions in sensitive counterterrorist cases for fear that they will be prosecuted by a future administration.
We have known for years that Congressional leadership had at least seen some footage from waterboarding, and had unanimously approved it, with one exception after the interrogations had already ceased. Hoekstra has identified himself as one of those attendees, and Jane Harman would have been another; Nancy Pelosi has been confirmed as another as well. If more names in Congress get released, especially among those today demanding prosecution, get identified with specific dates and the procedures discussed, and their commentary during the briefings, shouldn’t they also get prosecuted for “war crimes”? After all, as Hoekstra says, they approved the effort.
Releasing the OLC memos only provided part of the picture — the part Obama wanted to use for political purposes. For some reason, Politico reports, he thought that would be the end of it — and got caught unaware when it created an explosion of recrimination:
President Barack Obama’s attempt to project legal and moral clarity on coercive CIA interrogation methods has instead done the opposite — creating confusion and political vulnerability over an issue that has inflamed both the left and right.
In the most recent instance, Director of National Intelligence Dennis Blair acknowledged in a memo to the intelligence community that Bush-era interrogation practices yielded had “high-value information,” then omitted that admission from a public version of his assessment.
That leaves a top Obama administration official appearing to validate claims by former Vice President Dick Cheney that waterboarding and other techniques the White House regards as torture were effective in preventing terrorist attacks. And the press release created the impression the administration was trying to suppress this conclusion.
The president, who has said he wants to focus on the future rather than litigate the past, also opened himself to distraction and attack by retracting the earlier assurance by top officials that they had no plans to prosecute lawyers for former President George W. Bush who approved the “enhanced interrogation” program.
A Democratic strategist close to the White House said: “The president looked resolute, and like he had threaded the needle perfectly on the substance: The heat from the right was preposterous, and the heat from the left was manageable. But now they look like the scarecrow, pointing in both directions. They got the policy right, but they look confused and beaten down by critics.”
When he released the memos, Obama apparently didn’t anticipate that calling the OLC complicit in a war crime would generate two reactions. The first would criticize Obama for failing to prosecute people who he thinks committed crimes, and the second would get angry over Obama only telling part of the story. Before the release, he only had a small group of people criticizing him for putting the issue in the past, and now he has everyone angry over his dishonest approach to the issue.
Obama can’t stick with the position that the most culpable people in the interrogation were the lawyers who responded to a request for clarification on the law. They neither ordered, approved, or conducted the interrogations. Legal culpability is the weakest for them if any crime was committed, and it’s frankly cowardice to only attack the OLC. If crimes were committed, then members of Congress, the White House, CIA leadership and the interrogators are the ones who have to answer for them, and we can only know that when all of the data is revealed. If Obama’s not willing to do that, then he never should have opened that can of worms in the first place.










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TORTURE, TRIALS, TORTURE, TRIALS…
gonna take common share in lieu of debt from the banks
http://thehill.com/dick-morris/obamas-leap-to-socialism-2009-04-21.html
TORTURE, TRIALS, TORTURE, TRIALS…
Skywise on April 23, 2009 at 8:49 AM
More proof of Obamateurism
jims on April 23, 2009 at 8:53 AM
This Obama guy seems to think no one would dare challenge him on his lies. He should – and could – be challenged every hour of every day because that’s how much he lies.
AubieJon on April 23, 2009 at 8:53 AM
If crimes were committed, then members of Congress, the White House, CIA leadership and the interrogators are the ones who have to answer for them, and we can only know that when all of the data is revealed. If Obama’s not willing to do that, then he never should have opened that can of worms in the first place.
Nuff said.
milwife88 on April 23, 2009 at 8:55 AM
Huh, the completely inexperienced guy from Chicago with the terrorist friends and shady associates, who ran on a vacuous platform of bullshiit and populist pus, got caught with his pants down? No kidding?
Bishop on April 23, 2009 at 8:56 AM
The arrogance of this man is quite astounding.
ladyingray on April 23, 2009 at 8:58 AM
Prosecute Obama for TREASON and HIGH CRIMES……….
doriangrey on April 23, 2009 at 8:58 AM
Another fine example of Barry being too stupid to think through his decisions prior to acting upon them. And I don’t want to hear any sorry, “rookie mistake” excuses. This dolt is not capable of handling the job of POTUS.
anniekc on April 23, 2009 at 8:59 AM
So, maybe it’s in the Republicans’ interests to sacrifice a few lawyers in exchange for Sen. Rockefeller and crazy eyes Pelosi doing perpwalks.
That’s if such an investigation would actually be impartial and bipartisan, which, considering Obama’s deep corruption is highly unlikely.
blue13326 on April 23, 2009 at 8:59 AM
I’d gladly trade Spector for Nazi Pelosi and Fairy Reid…
doriangrey on April 23, 2009 at 9:01 AM
Because Obama has gotten a pass his whole life does not mean he will get one as president. I can imagine him & Michelle in bed at night talking about “how mean” everyone is. While Mr. Obama for the first time in your adult life you are about to find out what the “real world” is like. You cannot change the world so it fit’s into your vision of it. I really doubt you will be able to change even though that is the mantra you ran under. No Mr. Obama, I am afraid your hope & change has died and we must bury it and MoveOn.
izoneguy on April 23, 2009 at 9:03 AM
Any decent middle manager would have considered the consequences of releasing the memos.
The Peter Principle personified.
keebs on April 23, 2009 at 9:03 AM
Yeah, if we can’t get anything going against true criminals like Dodd and Frank, there’s not much chance of ousting Pelosi for this.
anniekc on April 23, 2009 at 9:04 AM
This move toward criminalizing (ex post facto) opposing policies and practices comes on the heels of Napolitano’s tagging conservatives, veterans, etc. as terrorist threats under DHS and the Patriot Act. Both are profoundly unAmerican and a stunning threat to our liberty.
Napolitano must go, and Obama must repudiate her, her DHS behavior, and his own position on prosecuting his predecessors.
petefrt on April 23, 2009 at 9:04 AM
In response to Scott Shanes “News Analysis” in todays New York Times I wrote:
My comment is still in the Times moderation mode.
Rovin on April 23, 2009 at 9:04 AM
Why isnt the term torture being debated? I’ve read up on this and Im sorry it doesn’t fit my definition of the word. If we won’t even define what it is they are accusing people of, we have lost half the battle already!
tottoritodd on April 23, 2009 at 9:06 AM
The fact that Cheney wants more documents released (and has had a formal request in to do since March, I believe) and President Obama and Sec. State Clinton are balking leads me to believe that those documents would prove the previous administration was within the legal bounds the entire time and Congress was fully in the loop.
BadgerHawk on April 23, 2009 at 9:09 AM
Nice, it will be read by more people here. I don’t even bother responding to anything in any lib publications. They never post them. So you see the Obama
left thinking brain is the same way. It”s all one way. They never think things through to a logical conclusion. The left is devoid of logic. The left has no morality.
izoneguy on April 23, 2009 at 9:10 AM
Great response.
becki51758 on April 23, 2009 at 9:10 AM
I, too, want the names of the Democrats in Congress who were fully aware of this classified information. I can just hear them now saying, “we were misled”. If you approved the policy then, you stand by it now. This is so about politics. Everyone was acting in the best interests of keeping Americans safe soon after 9-11. Heck, it was nice back then when we shared the interest of protecting our nation. Those were the “good old days”.
pjean on April 23, 2009 at 9:11 AM
Oh what a tangled web we weave….
PrincipledPilgrim on April 23, 2009 at 9:11 AM
Ralph Peters also writes an excellent story in today’s New York Post titled PROSECUTING PATRIOTS—THE LEFT’S LOVE OF SHOW TRIALS
It’s good reading…..
Rovin on April 23, 2009 at 9:12 AM
Everything is backfiring on Mr. President and the Adminstration right now. All of America does not hold the societal viewpoint of the Far Left. They are overplaying their hand and it is blowing up in their faces. Soros is pushing this agenda and the Average American is not joining up.
kingsjester on April 23, 2009 at 9:13 AM
And the bigger issue is that the documents that Obama & Hillary don’t want you to see may prove that overall the EIT’s worked and provided valuable info that did stop other major terrorists plots. The fact that they will “hide” those should be proof enough that these people cannot be trusted with our national security.
izoneguy on April 23, 2009 at 9:13 AM
Ya’ll should have torture parties to show the world you support torture.
getalife on April 23, 2009 at 9:14 AM
Obama is instensifying his political brinksmanship. Very dangerous. How can you try people in a court (including the one of public opinion) with only half the evidence admitted? I guess if you’re a socialist empty suit supported by socialist sycohants, you can certainly try. But people are beginning to smell all the rats permeating our government and the ORKIN man is revving his engine for 2010 and 2012.
HomeoftheBrave on April 23, 2009 at 9:15 AM
I’m not sure this argument – that Congress including leading Democrats were informed on the matter – will calm the leftist fury. Well, I’m more than not sure. It won’t.
They are quite willing to string up Pelosi or Rockefeller or any other Democrat as long as they have Bush and Cheney as well.
Now, the effect of Hoekstra’s revelation may slow down the Leahys and Levins and force internal splits within the Democrats. Politically that may be wise.
But the lefties outside of Congress, the nutroots, are quite willing to burn the building down. They want blood and they’re not concerned as to whether some of their own tribe’s blood is mixed in.
The only solution for this is for Obama to issue full pardons to everyone involved and order that a bipartisan commission be convened to investigate the matter. If he truly wants to put this “dark period” behind us, that’s what he has to do.
SteveMG on April 23, 2009 at 9:17 AM
Good morning retard. Please define torture so we can make sure we throw the right kind of party.
BadgerHawk on April 23, 2009 at 9:18 AM
Consider yourself invited to all of them
anniekc on April 23, 2009 at 9:18 AM
I usually don’t attempt to publish anything there IG, but I just felt that if only half the story is getting written, some one should point it out. When I do get published at the Times, they usually release it at comment #2,496 so it’s rarely read.
Thanks Becki..
Rovin on April 23, 2009 at 9:20 AM
I wholeheartedly agree with you, but it’s bittersweet. I enjoy the backlash but then reality hits and you realize we are stuck with this bufoon for three plus years.
sherry on April 23, 2009 at 9:20 AM
anniekc on April 23, 2009 at 9:18 AM
No.
getalife on April 23, 2009 at 9:20 AM
The world wasn’t in the Towers on 9/11, so the world can screw itself. Russia and China are howling that we’re even discussing these matters.
BuckeyeSam on April 23, 2009 at 9:21 AM
He’s having trouble with this whole “Chief Executive” thingy. Never done it before at any level so who’s surprised? Watching him bumble through his first hundred days has been tough….but what’s worse is the realization that we have 3.75 more years of this.
Who’s for a weekend Tea Party next time?
Youngs98 on April 23, 2009 at 9:24 AM
There is no debate.
It’s up to the AG.
getalife on April 23, 2009 at 9:25 AM
sherry on April 23, 2009 at 9:20 AM
It makes you wonder if Obama, Soros, and the Democrats will keep on overplaying their hand in an attempt to wear down Americans into accepting the Marxist/Socialist philosophy.
They’ve tried to cram so much down our throats in the first 100 days, it’s ridiculous. And everytime they get too much grief for one of their proposals, they launch another as a diversionary tactic to take the public’s minds off of the last epic fail. For instance, from T.E.A. Parties to Let’s put the Bush Administration on trial, all in a couple of days. Massive misdirection. Hopefully, we can last until 2010, anyway.
kingsjester on April 23, 2009 at 9:26 AM
Consider yourself invited to all of them
anniekc on April 23, 2009 at 9:18 AM
Why ruin a perfectly good party?
Bishop on April 23, 2009 at 9:26 AM
Np…I do hope it wont get published at #2496. Of course,with the NYT it probably wont get published at all..or if it does you’ll have leftys hurling vicious insults at you.
becki51758 on April 23, 2009 at 9:26 AM
Perhaps the ‘law professor’ should consult with that Nifong dolt, for a refresher course in ‘withholding evidence’ ??
CaveatEmpty on April 23, 2009 at 9:27 AM
This is what I find so bothersome. As a law school graduate, as a half-ass practitioner for a couple of years, and as a “lecturer” in constitutional-law topics, Obama, somewhere along the way, should have acquired the skill of “seeing around corners.” I don’t care what anyone says about the guy, he’s an idiot. He reminds me of a colleague I once worked with in a large law firm: very smart in an intellectual sense, but completely unable to see down the road a ways. One of our superiors called him “the dumbest smart person you’ll ever meet.” And that’s my characterization of Obama.
And we are seeing the consequences of the stupidity of his actions day after day.
BuckeyeSam on April 23, 2009 at 9:29 AM
There is no debate.
It’s up to the AG.
getalife on April 23, 2009 at 9:25 AM
Who takes orders from the POTUS, Barack Hussein Obama, who is in the pocket of George Soros, who is running a web ad calling for prosecution.
kingsjester on April 23, 2009 at 9:29 AM
BadgerHawk on April 23, 2009 at 9:18 AM
+1
FireFly on April 23, 2009 at 9:30 AM
getalife, your claim of moral superiority with comments like this might work if your hapless “leader” hadn’t voted multiple times to toss a living baby in a dish to die following a botched abortion.
Youngs98 on April 23, 2009 at 9:31 AM
Torture is when someone goes to work in a tall building one morning, then less than two hours later has to chose between burning to death or jumping a thousand feet to the street below. Without knowing why he was chosen to die that day.
Del Dolemonte on April 23, 2009 at 9:31 AM
Yes, we are recovering from 8 years of the w disaster.
getalife on April 23, 2009 at 9:32 AM
based on the ‘memos’, it is beyond debate that we have an over capacity of waterboarding equipment. Can we utilize that shovel ready project by subjecting a select, elite, royalty-wanna-be group of 535 folks through a few ‘sessions’?
gatorboy on April 23, 2009 at 9:33 AM
Cherry pick your own quotes, douche.
BuckeyeSam on April 23, 2009 at 9:33 AM
Torture is also having your head sliced off by those who the left want to protect.
becki51758 on April 23, 2009 at 9:33 AM
Thank God!!! You are right…
The guy who called Americans a bunch of cowards.
Let’s have show trials so the real truth can come out.
I doubt the AG & Obama will go forward – then we will
see that they are the real cowards.
izoneguy on April 23, 2009 at 9:34 AM
How about Tea Party gatherings once a month? Weekends are fine. I thought waiting until Tax Day was too long. Look at the results of that one. Keep up the pressure.
BetseyRoss on April 23, 2009 at 9:36 AM
I saw somewhere that waterboarding was demonstrated in front of some members of Congress. At the time, it sounded to me like someone actually got soaked, right there in the room with the legislators.
hawksruleva on April 23, 2009 at 9:37 AM
Getaclue feels so strongly about this because he knows that even a merciless terrorist wouldn’t take the time to cut his head off, if for no other reason than he wouldn’t want to listen to the shrill mewling.
Complete and utter insignificance does have it advantages, as getaclue is discovering.
Bishop on April 23, 2009 at 9:37 AM
Created the impression? It was overt suppression of the facts.
Fine. Then let him put together a case which includes all of the actors, including Congress. You certainly wouldn’t have a problem with holding everyone accountable would you?
BacaDog on April 23, 2009 at 9:39 AM
That is your humble opinion. Since America was formed – Obama has
screwed up more in 90 days then anyone who has come before him. Obama is the man-made disaster we have all feared. And he is not done yet.
izoneguy on April 23, 2009 at 9:41 AM
heh Im listening to Laura Ingraham and Pat Robertson just said that when Congress was discussing torture back in 2002/2003, 1 Congressperson asked if they could be tougher.
becki51758 on April 23, 2009 at 9:41 AM
Whenever the Obamateur demonstrates his lack of ability to think more than one jump ahead I think of how Bush must be sitting back at Crawford saying, “Dang, Laura, I shoulda played a few hands of Texas Hold’em with that guy before I left. I could have relieve him of a lot of money–you know–improved his moral character, heh heh.”
Laura responds, “Now George, honey. That’s not a very Christian way to talk. You know as well as I do that he couldn’t beat the average 2nd grader at checkers.”
Bush chuckles. “Yeah, heh heh, you’re right as usual Laura.” Imitating second grader, “Boom, boom, boom. I triple-jumped you Mr. President!” Then imitating Obama, “Oooh, ouch son. Didn’t see that coming.”
smellthecoffee on April 23, 2009 at 9:41 AM
So an honest and thorough review would of necessity include investigating Bambi and his bufmucking of another safeguard against terriorists (sic)? Good.
Throw the bum out!
OkieDoc on April 23, 2009 at 9:41 AM
My guess is Obama’s going to authorize the release of all of the memos and records Cheney and Hoekstra are asking for roughly at the same time John Kerry releases his military records. The administration is still hoping to bluff this out, and that the big media people won’t start up a firestorm of demand for release of the information in the same way, say, that they wanted the release of the CIA data in the Valerie Plame-Bob Novak leak investigation.
jon1979 on April 23, 2009 at 9:42 AM
OT: Looks like Putin has made his decision on whether he considers our president a nancyboy.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jfCx1N9TFck0QbhRQt7fnFP_Da1gD97MUNO82
a capella on April 23, 2009 at 9:42 AM
Exactly, and then videotaping it. Or hanging mutilated American bodies from bridges or slicing the throats of pilots or terrorizing a nation by forcing thousands to leap 100 stories to their death.
This type of tortue makes waterboarding look like an upside-down margarita. The left needs to open their eyes and put things in perspective rather than follow their blind faith and hatred.
sherry on April 23, 2009 at 9:43 AM
From an international politics standpoint, that would send a pretty strong message to our enemies. To that extent, it’s an excellent idea!
But of course, we don’t support torture. We just disagree on the definition. By your definition, we torture our own servicemen. And all VMI cadets. Would it be ok with you if we made the three (3) prisoners who were subjected to enhanced interrogation techniques honorary VMI cadets?
hawksruleva on April 23, 2009 at 9:43 AM
Actually, I think beer bongs could probably really be considered torture, if you use the broad interpretation that the Left prefers.
hawksruleva on April 23, 2009 at 9:45 AM
Oh great. And the Taliban is within 60 miles of Pakistan’s nukes.
becki51758 on April 23, 2009 at 9:47 AM
—–Getaclue
(with apologies to Lewis Carroll)
iurockhead on April 23, 2009 at 9:53 AM
Awesome! And unfortunately, as we already know from the campaign, Mikheil Saakashvili doesn’t really have a friend in the White House.
BadgerHawk on April 23, 2009 at 9:53 AM
Does the attorney general approve of late term abortions? Now, this would be torture too wouldn’t it? As mentioned before having someone’s head cut off with a dull knife on video would be torture and would the AG be investigating these high crimes as well? You will say the freedom fighters don’t fall in the AG’s jurisdiction, but boy this guy sure seems selective on what bothers him. Getalife, I know you are unable to answer these difficult questions.
garydt on April 23, 2009 at 9:58 AM
Zing! Obama has just shown, once again, that he doesn’t have the foresight to think things through before he makes a decision. This isn’t going to turn out like he thought. I can only hope that it blows up in Pelosi’s face because I suspect she’s behind the whole idea and Obama’s just the lapdog.
scalleywag on April 23, 2009 at 10:00 AM
Most people keep making this mistake. He did run an organization, for years. The Annenberg Project. Guy was responsible for spending $150mln. We can say he didn’t produce any results, as the reading, writing, math, science grades and test scores stayed flat after years of the project. However, given our knowledge of Billy Boy Ayers, those sort of results were never desired. The funding not of those type of programs, but of multicultural ones, spanish language as a majority, revolution in third world countries and the like. What were the results of that? Well, since the Annenberg thing went on in the ’90s, and many of those kids were of voting age in 2008….you tell me what the results were.
bikermailman on April 23, 2009 at 10:01 AM
A one-move chess player
scottm on April 23, 2009 at 10:03 AM
There you crazy Reichwingers go again, making things up. Late term abortions don’t involve cutting off baby’s heads! (it’s stabbing the base of the skull, sucking out the brains, and collapsing the head) Why don’t you RethugliKKKans ever tell the truth!
/getaclue
bikermailman on April 23, 2009 at 10:04 AM
Ya’ll should have torture parties to show the world you support torture.
getalife on April 23, 2009 at 9:14 AM
Obama has to throw the party, being a supporter.
itsspideyman on April 23, 2009 at 10:04 AM
It’s going to be delicious when the house of cards starts to fall and one by one the dems get outed as having approved the torture. When that happens maybe the trolls will vanish!
scalleywag on April 23, 2009 at 10:06 AM
Trolls? Vanish? Gotta be kidding…the worse it looks for their side, the louder they get! :P
bikermailman on April 23, 2009 at 10:11 AM
That’s what you do… except you use the term “re-education centers”. Your best bud even shook hands with one last week.
Skywise on April 23, 2009 at 10:13 AM
It is ridiculous that we have a president that will not release all the information. If torture is really that horrible, then it shouldn’t matter what information we received was.
Unbelievable that we have someone in the WH that likes to lie and hide things.
deidre on April 23, 2009 at 10:15 AM
In my part of the country the local paper ran the first story out and headlines suggested the last administration had run a torture chamber out of control and that the trail went up to highest levels. All treaties and conventions had been violated. Everything the left wants the public to believe. The damage is done none of the current info will reach thousands of voters who now have their conformation that the Republicans all belong in jail. Only if the Main Stream Media picks up the stories will minds be changed. Score points for Obama he did what was intended bring disgrace upon the last administration. This story will not get legs for the majority of voting Americans and Obama will get high ratings that is how it works in my part of the country. Sad but true. My poll consists only of my neighbors, acquaintances, relatives and liberal friend all of whom are Democrats and number only a couple hundred. I live in a mostly liberal state most people are well educated and do well economically.
rsl775 on April 23, 2009 at 10:18 AM
For an issue that was supposed to be a cudgel against the GOP it seems to be undergoing the strange metamorphosis of sending the dems running for cover; and it cannot end well for them whichever way they turn. They have long fought the ghost of micromanaging Vietnam, Iranian hostages and Mogadishu. Now they will be seen as the party that is weak on defense, wants to hamstring operatives in the middle of a shooting war but were so embarrassed about their secret complicity they lied to our faces only to appease of bunch of far leftist hippy rabble.
Mr Snuggle Bunny on April 23, 2009 at 10:20 AM
I have been hearing that George Soros and his MoveOn.org are the driving forces behind the pressure on Obama to proceed with these “torture” investigations.
Remembering that Soros formed MoveOn to “move on” from the Clinton impeachment, it is time for us to characterize these brazen attacks on the Bush administration loudly and clearly.
Remember that Soros is a godless atheist who never did see anything wrong with Clinton’s victimization of women and the perjury that resulted from it (“it’s about SEX!”), and viewed Clinton’s impeachment as motivated by the pure political avarice by the “vast, right-wing conspiracy”.
Soros, MoveOn, Leahy and all their Leftist minions are simply trying to get even for the Clinton impeachment.
They, therefore, openly lie that the CIA methods constituted “torture”. They are screaming that word at the top of their lungs, hoping nobody will notice what they are really doing.
The CIA is being neutralized, the Bush administration slandered and the nation’s ability to protect itself is being permanently damaged because Obama is following the orders of the “Revenge” crowd. To them, political retribution is more important than our future safety from terrorists.
They tried for 8 years to impeach Bush just to get even for Clinton, and they failed. That’s why the Left is still so angry, even though they have their man in the White House.
They are not only after Bush, they are after the entire American establishment which understood that Clinton did indeed commit impeachable offenses.
The only way to fight these people is to expose their true motivation. Every time you talk about what they are doing you should characterize it for what it is: revenge for the Clinton impeachment!
jay12 on April 23, 2009 at 10:26 AM
Open Invitation to the next Caring and Compassionate
Liberal Torture Party!
To Understanding,Emotional and Feelings Torture Party.
Place: DNC Party HeadQuarters
Time: Cocktails,5:00PM-6:00PM.
Supper 6:00PM.-7:00PM.
Followed by Saddam Videos,and Beheadings.
(As to understand what drives the victims to make
the Jihadys angry enough to force the Jihadys to
cut heads off).
Special Guest Speakers: Rosie,’Y R they Mad at us’!
Garfalo,Jihadys are racists as well!
8:00-11:00PM. Individual,and group Waterboarding!
ID is required as well as Card Check!!!!!!(Snark!)hehe.
canopfor on April 23, 2009 at 10:26 AM
Let the left have their show trials.
We’ll remember come 2012.
Rebar on April 23, 2009 at 10:44 AM
that was one big huge ball of snark all rolled into one! love it!
scalleywag on April 23, 2009 at 10:44 AM
Just another example of complete and total ineptitude. “If you rise to great heights by Gearge Soros, then you fall to great depths by George Soros.” This simple idiom has been proven true by every leftist flake in today’s progressive movement. You’d think a man with the resources of the presidency would have gotten better advise. No?
Griz on April 23, 2009 at 10:46 AM
that was one big huge ball of snark all rolled into one!
I love it!
scalleywag on April 23,2009 at 10:44PM.
scalleywag: Sticking it to the Left!
Thats the beauty of Hot/Air,be creative!Hehe:)
canopfor on April 23, 2009 at 10:52 AM
I wish the Bush Admin didn’t waterboard those poor islamo-terrorists. There’d be a lot less loonie liberals in Los Angeles right now.
Bevan on April 23, 2009 at 10:53 AM
I find this whole situation comical.
Obama (and whoever is pulling the strings) decided to throw the left a little red meat, never expecting the right to say “bring it on”.
The ineptness of the single minded WH would be hilarious if it weren’t so dangerous.
ORconservative on April 23, 2009 at 10:56 AM
I guarantee worse is going on in Jordan and Egypt as part of the rendition program. I doubt the AG or “The Adults” will stop or investigate that.
Dawnsblood on April 23, 2009 at 10:57 AM
Obama just stuck it out there and he is about to get it cut off. The democrats got too cute by half for releasing “some” of the memos. They seem to not realize that many prominent democrats were in on the whole torture procedures as late as 2006. If any of the real intelligence memos are leaked by a patriotic American, assuming they haven’t been purged out of the CIA by the 0-team it will really shed light on just what magnitude of disaster was stopped by Bush & Friends.
A list of names of senators on the intelligence committee during those years would be helpful.
“Senator, what did you know and when did you know it?”
portlandon on April 23, 2009 at 11:00 AM
Is all this really necessary? The supposed “criminal offense” here is the “conspiracy to commit torture.” It’s a specific intent crime, or so it would seem. How, then, could legal advise construing the meaning of “torture” EVER be proven beyond a reasonable doubt to have been conspiratorial in nature? And what prosecutor would take up such a charge unless he was motivated by politics?
This is the Valerie Plame catastrophe all over again. Except now the prosecution isn’t sparked by President Bush’s appeasement of the Left in appointing a special prosecutor but by President Obama’s appeasement of the same. I’d anticipate the same level of political backlash that Republicans endured post-Lewinsky.
cackcon on April 23, 2009 at 11:08 AM
Every time you guys use the word “torture” yourselves, you lend credence to the wrong premise that liberals are using as the foundation of this entire debacle.
Show some discipline and stop using it.
Youngs98 on April 23, 2009 at 11:10 AM
This is spot on.
Not one liberal has addressed the fact that Obama is purposely withholding information.
The Obama administration is doing exactly what liberals accuse everybody else of doing,hiding the truth.
RELEASE ALL THE MEMOS LIBERALS.
Is it too much to ask that Obama at least try to keep one of his campaign promises,like maybe transparency and accountability.
Here are some of the democrats that approved of these methods:
What Congress Knew About ‘Torture’
Along with:
(D) Sen. John D. Rockefeller
(D) Bob Graham
(D) Jane Harmen
(D) Nancey Pelosi
In the spirit of honest discloser,democrats should release all transcripts of these meetings where elected members supported 100% these interrogation procedures.
Hill Briefed on Waterboarding in 2002
In Meetings, Spy Panels’ Chiefs Did Not Protest, Officials Say
By Joby Warrick and Dan Eggen
Washington Post Staff Writers
Sunday, December 9, 2007; A01
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/08/AR2007120801664_pf.html
While democrats are working out yet another “war on Bush” distraction from the circus that has become of the Obama administration,maybe they could explain the support of these policies from these entities:
Hayden: Chain of Interrogations Yielded Bulk of Intelligence Knowledge
Audio: Clinton endorses “torture” in special cases;
posted at 12:30 am on October 19, 2006 by Allahpundit
http://hotair.com/archives/2006/10/19/audio-clinton-endorses-torture-in-special-cases/
The best part is at the very end, where Billy Jeff chuckles at the notion that anyone would oppose torture in a true ticking bomb situation.
Here are procedures approved by Bill Clinton:
Officials call operation one of the agency’s great successes
By Andrew Higgins and Christopher Cooper
THE WALL STREET JOURNAL
http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/msg80840.html
Interrogation of terrorist suspect Shawki Salama Attiya
Justice Dept.
. . .
Hillary Clinton leaves open the use for these measures
Obama leaves open the use for these measures
Panetta: Rendition Will Continue, Would Ask Obama to Authorize Harsher Interrogation Methods “If Necessary”
Yes, let’s have a “we support torture” party.
It will practically look like the DNC Convention with so many liberals attending that use and support these methods.
Baxter Greene on April 23, 2009 at 11:41 AM
Nothing will happen with this.
It is simiply the distraction du jour.
Among other things, it is distracting from the imminent takeover of Pakisatan by the Taliban, as the Moron in the WH sits idly by. Sitting idly, of course, because his plan to purportedly make the “world safer” is to allow insane nutjob terrorists and other loonies to gain access to nuclear weapons.
notagool on April 23, 2009 at 11:43 AM
Congressman Hall made a point of saying that Obama had “ill intentioned advisers”. I got the impression the felling was that Obama’s advisers were even more radical left than even Obama.
anniekc on April 23, 2009 at 11:52 AM
*FEELING*
anniekc on April 23, 2009 at 11:52 AM
Absolute political amateur. Good thing being nice to our enemies will win them over, because there’s no way this idiot can out-smart them.
mr.blacksheep on April 23, 2009 at 11:56 AM
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