Video: Cheney and Hannity on interrogations
posted at 10:54 am on April 22, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
Via Jake Tapper, and interesting equally for what’s being said as well as the fact that it’s being said at all. The former VP got a mostly-undeserved reputation for conducting a media campaign against Obama a couple of months ago when Cheney gave a single interview, but I don’t think there’s much doubt now that Cheney wants to set a few things straight about the record. Cheney remains calm and courteous, but he leaves no doubt with Sean Hannity that he will fight to get the entire story about the interrogations on the table:
Cheney certainly has a better case now, with the NYT’s revelation that Obama covered up Dennis Blair’s assessment that the interrogations worked. If Obama wants to have a national debate on this topic, clearly Dick Cheney will not allow Obama to cut out key data from public knowledge. While George Bush enjoys his retirement, Cheney appears ready to fight for their legacy.
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We’d be looking at President Cheney had he opted to run.
long_cat on April 22, 2009 at 10:55 AM
The interrogations didn’t work, no matter what Cheney ever says:
starfleet_dude on April 22, 2009 at 10:56 AM
I miss that guy.
jewells45 on April 22, 2009 at 10:58 AM
Spin.
Dee2008 on April 22, 2009 at 11:00 AM
He is the only one fighting IMO.
deidre on April 22, 2009 at 11:00 AM
One of the best leaders we’ve ever had…too bad he wasn’t POTUS.
kirkill on April 22, 2009 at 11:01 AM
Any one of us could owe our lives to Bush-Cheney and their willingness to fight the good fight.
What is wrong with Obama, he came around some for awhile… he can see what the truth is… yet he caves to Moveon.org. How is that leadership?
petunia on April 22, 2009 at 11:01 AM
God bless Vice-President Cheney.
promachus on April 22, 2009 at 11:01 AM
Given how much Cheney was disliked by a large majority of Americans by the end of Bush’s Presidency, I’m pretty sure the Democrats are more than happy to have him keep on speaking up in public, especially when the facts about how torture was used to try and elicit false confessions comes out as well.
starfleet_dude on April 22, 2009 at 11:02 AM
It’s not just Cheney, and there is evidence that the Obama team deliberately misled (well, lied) about it.
Don’t you read the articles on this site?
capitalist piglet on April 22, 2009 at 11:02 AM
We want him on that wall; we need him on that wall.
BuckeyeSam on April 22, 2009 at 11:02 AM
starfleet_dude on April 22, 2009 at 10:56 AM
You are wrong.
petunia on April 22, 2009 at 11:02 AM
source please
oldernwiser on April 22, 2009 at 11:02 AM
He has forgotten more that Obama and Biden know.
He sure makes Biden look like the worst VP evah.
seven on April 22, 2009 at 11:03 AM
Cheney is one of the best VPs ever.
I like that he fights.
Something I see lacking with republicans in Washington and in the RNC.
jencab on April 22, 2009 at 11:03 AM
Are you totally blind and deaf? Or is it a truth allergy?
petunia on April 22, 2009 at 11:03 AM
Wise man say never trust someone afraid to provide the linky.
BadgerHawk on April 22, 2009 at 11:05 AM
Horse sh!t
Whatever methods are used to extract data from illegal combatants to save hundreds ( or thousands) of lives makes them morally correct.
oldernwiser on April 22, 2009 at 11:05 AM
AoSHQ’s Best of the Cool Facts About Dick Cheney.
NSFW. Spew Alert. Content Warning.
Christien on April 22, 2009 at 11:05 AM
Janeane Garofalo told him. Must be true then.
UltimateBob on April 22, 2009 at 11:05 AM
Waterboarding is torture, period. Using it hundreds of times repeatedly on anyone only shows that it was done to try and get a desired confession, not actual intelligence.
starfleet_dude on April 22, 2009 at 11:07 AM
Oh my bad
I humbly apologize
oldernwiser on April 22, 2009 at 11:07 AM
CaCa on April 22, 2009 at 11:07 AM
Tantamount to opening a can of Whoop-ass and worms all at the same time.
WhoopWorms!
Well played Dick, well played!
hawkdriver on April 22, 2009 at 11:08 AM
starfleet_dude on April 22, 2009 at 10:56 AM
Notice how it’s quoted, the author must be Keith Olbermann, Jeanene Garafalo, or Chris Matthews…or anyone at the Treason Times.
kirkill on April 22, 2009 at 11:08 AM
I do not care what anyones says, I have always liked Cheney. He at least stands up for himself, unlike some who are spineless in our government.
txstar on April 22, 2009 at 11:09 AM
I heard a clip of an interview with V.P. Cheney yesterday and may I say that I was not happy with the sound of his breathing. Considering his health problems it really bothered me.
Cindy Munford on April 22, 2009 at 11:10 AM
long_cat you read my mind. I totally agree. Obama could not have pulled half of the stuff on Cheney that he pulled on McCain. Cheney does not suffer fools. Agree with him or not, you know where he stands and he forces his political enemies to take a stand. No such animal, McCain.
Angry Dumbo on April 22, 2009 at 11:10 AM
What are you smoking!
the confession they got proved accurate and were used to stop another strike.
These were movie cops trying to get a conviction for their record. these were people trying to protect your sorry ass.
False confess ons were worthless to them.
oldernwiser on April 22, 2009 at 11:10 AM
By the way, Rasmussen had Obama’s poll numbers at something like 54/45 yesterday I think (at least I saw it yesterday)…and his “strongly approve” and “strongly disapprove” are almost even now – I think they’re at a +2 for him. Not very good, especially considering the short time he’s been in office.
It’s going to be a long four years, if we make it.
capitalist piglet on April 22, 2009 at 11:11 AM
These were NOT movie cops
correction
oldernwiser on April 22, 2009 at 11:11 AM
Waterboarding is torture, period. Using it hundreds of times repeatedly on anyone only shows that it was done to try and get a desired confession, not actual intelligence.
starfleet_dude on April 22, 2009 at 11:07 AM
What is up you people being so soft about waterboarding is torture? How is that torture? What kind of interrogations do you propose?
youngO on April 22, 2009 at 11:11 AM
I heard the same clip and am hoping it was just recorded or produced poorly.
BigD on April 22, 2009 at 11:12 AM
No, not period. An awful lot of people, myself included, would argue it doesn’t even come close to physical torture. Mental torture, obviously, but all interrogations are to some extent or another. Interviewing a suspect when he’s sleep deprived? Mental torture. Waterboarding is just the extreme end of mental torture, but if it gains valuable information and causes no lasting effects to the prisoner I’m not going to get too worked up over it.
Two valid questions, for which I’ve yet to see a solid answer:
1- If waterboarding is torture why do people keep volunterring to have it done.
2- If it can be done over 100 times to someone with no lasting effects how can it be torture?
BadgerHawk on April 22, 2009 at 11:12 AM
Why do you care about murderers?
blatantblue on April 22, 2009 at 11:13 AM
blatantblue on April 22, 2009 at 11:13 AM
Thank you!
youngO on April 22, 2009 at 11:14 AM
starfleet_dude on April 22, 2009 at 10:56 AM
Are you really getalife in drag?
fumpbump on April 22, 2009 at 11:15 AM
Cheney is absolutely right. Watch the MSNBC crowd rip him a new one though.
Hilts on April 22, 2009 at 11:15 AM
I’ll go with that to. His job is not done.
Cindy Munford on April 22, 2009 at 11:15 AM
I agree with your 2nd point.
I really like Dick Cheney. Always have.
Oink on April 22, 2009 at 11:15 AM
I’m pretty sure the Democrats are more than happy to have him keep on speaking up in public, especially when the facts about how torture was used to try and elicit false confessions comes out as well.
Yah, must be why Cheney WANTS the documents declassified for public perusal; definitely a sign of a man who wants to perform a cover up.
If there is something deleterious with which to hammer Cheney and/or Bush, Obowa can simply declassify everything and scream “See, I told you!” One can only wonder why he hasn’t…unless Americans were kept from being murdered because a few Islamist aholes got slapped around.
Bishop on April 22, 2009 at 11:15 AM
I imagine that Obama and the Left are quite concerned about VP Cheney and his ability to call them on their crap. Pres Bush may be willing to play stateman-like because he wants to improve his legacy.
IMO Cheney has no such interest. And I also think Cheny has the cajones to play at the same level the Left does to defend what he knows to be the truth. He is the adult in the room.
katiejane on April 22, 2009 at 11:16 AM
Yes, of course. No other conclusion is possible unless you’re not a moron.
DarkCurrent on April 22, 2009 at 11:17 AM
I don’t like Los Angeles. Too durn many people for me. BUT I sure like the fact that we had true patriots that were able to do their job and get the intelligence to stop another 9/11 from happening there!
I am just guessing, but I will bet that starfleet_dude doesn’t live there or he would be grateful for waterboarding and for the fact that it works!
fumpbump on April 22, 2009 at 11:18 AM
Arguing with trolls like starfleet_dude is really pointless. They are not here for intelligent discussion, they are here to ruin it.
Stankleberry on April 22, 2009 at 11:18 AM
Just because waterboarding doesn’t leave a physical mark doesn’t mean it isn’t torture. And those subject to it will say anything to stop it. Which is why it’s useless as an interrogation technique, because you can’t be sure you’re getting the truth.
Of course given how much President Bush wanted something, anything, linking Saddam Hussein to the attacks by al-Qaeda on 9/11/2001, the truth wasn’t the issue.
starfleet_dude on April 22, 2009 at 11:20 AM
starfleet_dude ( and any one else who cares to read this )
I am going to personalize this debate;
If you are holding my family hostage with threat to harm or kill them and I can get my hands on one of your children, I will do what ever I have to to protect my family. with zero hesitation. It might read ugly but it is also the truth.
My ( and most adult’s ) basic instinct in that situation is to protect me and mine no matter what it takes.
To argue otherwise tells me that you have never had your ass on the line.
oldernwiser on April 22, 2009 at 11:20 AM
He destroyed your country and you cheer him on.
Pitiful.
getalife on April 22, 2009 at 11:21 AM
Okay lets give the left the point and assume that waterboarding is torture. We can circle the wagons all day long on this, and legal guidelines not withstanding, no one is right. It is a matter of personal opinion.
The essence of the argument, which Cheney is fighting – Would you waterboard someone to save your own life? The life of your kids, your parents, your wife or husband? Would you waterboard to preserve your home, the community in which you live, the playground where your kids play? The cost of waterboarding on three terrorist, is it worth it?
EyesOpen on April 22, 2009 at 11:21 AM
Funny, I’ve never been asked a single political question ever, ever, on anything.
Large majority is redundant. Where are your sources?
Mommypundit on April 22, 2009 at 11:22 AM
LOL
Hey your Mom called, she wanted me to tell you it was time for you to come up stairs, it’s time for your mid day feeding and diaper change.
Old Hippie Vet on April 22, 2009 at 11:22 AM
It’s certainly your right, as an American, to give the comfort of one murdering terrorist greater value than the lives of thousands of your fellow American citizens. So don’t let being mentally challenged get you down. It’s your right to be dumb as a rock.
RBMN on April 22, 2009 at 11:23 AM
Stankleberry on April 22, 2009 at 11:18 AM
That is true, but I am occassionally glad that they show up. The reason being that they get those of us on the right fired up! They help to create that burning in our guts that makes us want to scream from the rooftops. They are one of the reasons that so many people showed up at the tea parties. To prove to American policy makers that not all of us on the right will just sit back and blog, but that we will get out on the street and we will stand up for what we know is right.
If nobody ever disagreed with us, we would all walk away from our computers feeling happy and content.
WE NEED TO STAY FIRED UP! It is the only way we will keep fighting the good fight!
fumpbump on April 22, 2009 at 11:23 AM
Of course, the gop wants him to go away and here is why:
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/66622.html
getalife on April 22, 2009 at 11:24 AM
This is clearly an issue where reasonable minds can disagree. As such, I’m open to possibly being swayed. Answer my two questions please.
To head off a possible line of argument, let’s distinguish between physical and psychological torture. Would you agree that all interrogations are psychological torture to some degree?
BadgerHawk on April 22, 2009 at 11:24 AM
A victim’s description of waterboarding:
What does waterboarding feel like? The CIA doesn’t discuss interrogation techniques, and those who may have been subjected to the technique aren’t exactly holding news conferences.
The most detailed descriptions come from eyewitness accounts and court records from wars past. The following is a transcript of the 1947 court proceedings in the trial of a World War II Japanese war criminal: Chinsaku Yuki. He was accused of the torture and murder of Philippine civilians, and ultimately convicted and sentenced to life in prison. This exchange is between the American prosecutor, Col. Keeley, and Filipino lawyer Ramon Navarro, who was subjected to waterboarding.
Col. Keeley: And then did he take you back to your room?
Navarro: When Yuki could not get anything out of me, he wanted the interpreter to place me down below. And I was told by Yuki to take off all my clothes, so what I did was to take off my clothes as ordered. I was ordered to lay on a bench and Yuki tied my feet, hands and neck to that bench, lying with my face upward. After I was tied to the bench, Yuki placed some cloth on my face. And then with water from the faucet, they poured on me until I became unconscious. He repeated that four or five times.
You mean he brought water and poured water down your throat?
No sir, on my face, until I became unconscious. We were lying that way, with some cloth on my face, and then Yuki poured water on my face continuously.
And you couldn’t breathe?
No, I could not, and so I, for a time, lost consciousness. I found my consciousness came back again and found Yuki was sitting on my stomach. And then I vomited the water from my stomach, and the consciousness came back again for me.
Where did the water come out when he sat on your stomach?
From my mouth and all openings of my face … and then Yuki would repeat the same treatment and the same procedure to me until I became unconscious again.
How many times did that happen?
Around four or five times, from two o’clock up to four o’clock in the afternoon. When I was not able to endure his punishment which I received, I told a lie to Yuki … . I could not really show anything to Yuki, because I was really lying just to stop the torture.
Was it painful?
Not so painful, but one becomes unconscious — like drowning in the water.
Like you were drowning?
Drowning. You could hardly breathe.
starfleet_dude on April 22, 2009 at 11:25 AM
It’s disgusting to watch this brave American being forced to respond to the likes of Obama and his pantywaist, inept nerds.
rplat on April 22, 2009 at 11:25 AM
Keep talking dick.
getalife on April 22, 2009 at 11:26 AM
I’d waterboard someone just to get them to attribute the quotes they post.
DarkCurrent on April 22, 2009 at 11:26 AM
Yeah that raspy breathing concerned me as well. Googling it you’ll find warm wishes at the Democratic Underground.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104×2455726
Since I tire of those who say we’re not supposed to hate, let me say I really hate these people.
macummings on April 22, 2009 at 11:28 AM
Details please. Rephrasing Democrat talking points doesn’t count.
TheMightyMonarch on April 22, 2009 at 11:29 AM
Please give us an ignore button!
I have conversations like this with my students sometimes–they don’t have any idea what they’re talking about and can’t cite a single fact, but oh, do they have opinions, and don’t seem to understand that an opinion without facts is nothing more than a steaming pile o’ manure (except not even that useful).
I wish I had an ignore button for them too.
Bob's Kid on April 22, 2009 at 11:29 AM
TheMightyMonarch on April 22, 2009 at 11:29 AM
Why?
You will cheer him on anyway.
You will spend eternity with him and it will not be in heaven.
getalife on April 22, 2009 at 11:30 AM
OK, I TAKE IT BACK!
One Troll I can live with, but 3?
This is just too much!
fumpbump on April 22, 2009 at 11:30 AM
Let’s start by distinguishing between the waterboarding you describe and the technique used by our interrogators. The Japanese technique actually involved forcing water into one’s lungs and stomache. That’s physical torture. Ours does not. You may or may not have known that distinction when you posted that text, I don’t know.
Next, I’m not sure if you don’t understand what the point of waterboarding is or if you do and simply don’t care. The point is to scare someone so badly that they give up the information they have and you need. In that respect waterboarding was very succesful (to the point of potentially stopping another attack on US soil).
Please take note of how I’m answering your questions with a reasoned argument and you’re ignoring mine.
BadgerHawk on April 22, 2009 at 11:31 AM
Yippee! We’ve got another troll! Judging by the screen name, I’m picturing a guy in his 30′s who’s never gotten past first base with a blow-up doll.
Same tired talking points. You’d think these wankers would learn to change it up a bit. But then, learning denotes intelligence. Silly me.
CurtZHP on April 22, 2009 at 11:32 AM
note how they flock to “torture” threads. they get off on it.
lorien1973 on April 22, 2009 at 11:32 AM
It just dramatically and sadly shows how lacking we have been in gravitas and instead of someone who is articulate and can actually speak, we get McCain vs a demagogue.
I only hope and pray the damage to the country is not irreparable.
Starlink on April 22, 2009 at 11:32 AM
getalife on April 22, 2009 at 11:30 AM
WHO THE HELL ARE YOU TO DECIDE WHERE I WILL SPEND MY ETERNITY!
You belong to the group that declares that we have freedom FROM religion!
Until you walk on water and perform miracles STFU about my, or anybody elses, eternity!
You have proven, once again, how completely moronic you are!
fumpbump on April 22, 2009 at 11:32 AM
Just because waterboarding doesn’t leave a physical mark doesn’t mean it isn’t torture.
So no screaming in the face of the terrorist then? No harsh language, no dropping the Koran on the ground in front of them, no panties on the head?
What CAN we do to them? I would like a definition of torture, if you please.
Bishop on April 22, 2009 at 11:33 AM
fumpbump on April 22, 2009 at 11:32 AM
Tell you maker you supported torture and see what happens.
getalife on April 22, 2009 at 11:34 AM
Just ignore the retard troll (lorien’s term which I think is just about perfect). She gets off on having people respond. There are some trolls and lefties you can have an argument or debate with; she is not one of them.
BadgerHawk on April 22, 2009 at 11:34 AM
My friend is a Navy pilot, I can’t think of the name of the training right now, but they were waterboarded in the training so they would know how it felt in case they were captured.
Not torture, unless the idiot twinkie sucking liberals in DC write a law making it torture. Sure it’s rough, and even hideous to have it happen to you, but you are on the moral side of people who cut off heads and put the video on youtube. Stop being a jackass.
kirkill on April 22, 2009 at 11:34 AM
I suspect we could test waterboarding “victums” for their truthfullness. How about taking a row of thugs and telling us which ones were waterboarded. It would leave scars or evidence if it was true torture like whipping does.
I suspect the nightmares and torture the widows and bereaved go thru after 9/11 is torture.
seven on April 22, 2009 at 11:34 AM
The Klingon’s transporter malfunctioned and scrambled his brains. Then they tried to restructure the proceedure and ended up with getalife. You really need to read the back of the kids cereal packages and get up to speed Pet.
Rovin on April 22, 2009 at 11:35 AM
Actually I think it’s a form of projection. The thought of it so scares them, that behind the shield of the internet, they strike out at it
oldernwiser on April 22, 2009 at 11:35 AM
LOL Now I have to clean my monitor again.
Old Hippie Vet on April 22, 2009 at 11:35 AM
Bishop on April 22, 2009 at 11:33 AM
Apparently we can put them up in the Hilton, bring them cool drinks with umbrellas, and listen intently while they tell us about the great infidel, America.
Durn dude, haven’t you been listening to the President?
fumpbump on April 22, 2009 at 11:35 AM
Um, except when they did, as it were. It’s called the news, “starfleet dude,” in which facts occasionally are reported.
Them’s the facts, “starfleet dude.” Ignoring them doesn’t change them.
Go back to the sewer from whence you crawled. By all means, take this juvenile nonsense to court. The subpoenas and testimony of the congressional Democrats on the Intel committees and other subcommittees who saw this and authorized these techniques in the aftermath of 9-11 should be worth the price of admission alone.
Would the last troll out please shut off the lights? Thanks.
Good Lt on April 22, 2009 at 11:35 AM
oh, that was for the Trolls…forgot the cut/paste.
kirkill on April 22, 2009 at 11:35 AM
SERE.
BadgerHawk on April 22, 2009 at 11:35 AM
kirkill on April 22, 2009 at 11:34 AM
It is called SEER training, and it is VERY useful!
fumpbump on April 22, 2009 at 11:36 AM
BadgerHawk on April 22, 2009 at 11:35 AM
You are right, and I now know why there is a preview button! It is to keep me from looking stupid! LOL
fumpbump on April 22, 2009 at 11:36 AM
Remember the pictures of those poor souls leaping to their death from the burning WTC? I do.
a capella on April 22, 2009 at 11:36 AM
It’s really easy to attack someone when you’re too chicken$#!t to stand toe-to-toe with them.
thomasaur on April 22, 2009 at 11:37 AM
The real problem with the last three years of the Bush administration was that they quit fighting.
Bush did not fire back at his political opponents… and muzzled the good VP from doing so as well…
Muzzles off… go Dick…
One of the most interesing things about VP Cheney.. is that like him, or hate him… everyone always LISTENS to him.
Romeo13 on April 22, 2009 at 11:37 AM
He’ll say “So do I!” and point at getalife down in Hell.
DarkCurrent on April 22, 2009 at 11:37 AM
thanks, SEER, that’s it. I think he said they did it in Maine.
kirkill on April 22, 2009 at 11:37 AM
Those who pushed to publish (to everyone, including the terrorists) our limits on interrogation seem like the smartass who reveals the tricks of a magician. The desired effect is ruined for all time. No, the woman isn’t really sawed in half … it’s an illusion. In the same way, our interrogators have had their bag of tricks emasculated. Bad for us, good for the terrorists. We don’t even go as far as the Israelis, who shake some suspects silly, sometimes causing neck injuries. What we did comes across as a lot more fearsome than it really was. That was the whole point! And now older brother Bob points out to the small children it’s not really a ghost, it’s just uncle John under a bedsheet. Nnthing to be afraid of! Besides, it’s just wrong to scare kids. Let’s tell them the Easter bunny and Santa Claus are fake too. ‘Cause it’s wrong to lie to kids. That’s liberal logic for you.
Paul-Cincy on April 22, 2009 at 11:38 AM
No, but you will get to know the ones that tortured his son.
The enemy too.
getalife on April 22, 2009 at 11:39 AM
Speaking of destroying the country, did anyone else see where a student group is trying to get American University to rescind its invitation to Barney Frank to speak at their commencement exercises? Frank, what a blowhard fraud. Rather than starting a witchhunt for Bush administration officials, we should be drawing and quartering Frank et al. for their roles in the credit crisis.
I love this misdirection towards people who protected us and away from turds who undermined us. I saw a stat yesterday that one of the large bank’s stress tests revealed that 25% of its nonoperating residential mortgage loans were to Barney Frank-type borrowers. Thanks, Barn.
BuckeyeSam on April 22, 2009 at 11:39 AM
Yawn….
Its NOT torture IMO…
But heck, what would I know… I did not read some biased account on the Net… however, I was waterboarded at SERE school.
Romeo13 on April 22, 2009 at 11:39 AM
I wonder why it is that Cheney was considered a great leader when he was SecDef during Desert Storm? Hmmm…. could it be that he GOT THE JOB DONE?
Why do so many in America have such short memories?
He was a great leader then, he was a great #2 for 8 years, and he would make an OUTSTANDING Commander-In-Chief in the future!
fumpbump on April 22, 2009 at 11:39 AM
BadgerHawk, we don’t know if the waterboarding that was done didn’t involve water being forced into the subject’s stomach as that information wasn’t in the documents released to the Senate.
starfleet_dude on April 22, 2009 at 11:41 AM
It’s called gravitas. And, he doesn’t have to use a teleprompter.
a capella on April 22, 2009 at 11:41 AM
Your unwillingness to answer my questions is telling. I responded to each of your points in kind, yet you cannot respond to mine.
As I mentioned earlier, my mind is open to being swayed on this issue, but I suspect you lack the argument to accomplish that task. I also suspect you realize the same.
BadgerHawk on April 22, 2009 at 11:42 AM
As an atheist I’m not too worried. So much for your moronic stereotypes of conservatives.
DarkCurrent on April 22, 2009 at 11:43 AM
BS con.
getalife on April 22, 2009 at 11:43 AM
Yep, those terrorist were framed.
Johan Klaus on April 22, 2009 at 11:43 AM
Several problems with your “logic”, kid.
1. A link between Saddam Huseein and al Qaeda had already been made, 3 years before 9/11, when Clinton’s Justice Department specifically cited it in their indictment of bin Laden, Read the document yourself and get educated:
http://www.fas.org/irp/news/1998/11/98110602_nlt.html
2. And in May of 2003, a US Federal Judge in New York City issued a legal ruling in a lawsuit brought by the family members of 9/11 victims that based on the evidence presented at the trial, Iraq did play a role in the 9/11 attacks.
Said Federal Judge was appointed by…Bill Clinton.
You’re dismissed now.
Del Dolemonte on April 22, 2009 at 11:44 AM
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