Obama’s DNI reminds Obama that “enhanced interrogation” worked
posted at 8:44 am on April 22, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
Barack Obama’s top man in the intelligence community sent the President a memo defending the use of enhanced interrogation techniques, which the White House edited before releasing to the press de-emphasizing that defense. Dennis Blair, the Director of National Intelligence, pointed out that most of what we know about al-Qaeda came from using those techniques on Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and Abu Zubaydah, countering leaks last week from the Obama administration that claimed the methods produced no data:
President Obama’s national intelligence director told colleagues in a private memo last week that the harsh interrogation techniques banned by the White House did produce significant information that helped the nation in its struggle with terrorists.
“High value information came from interrogations in which those methods were used and provided a deeper understanding of the al Qa’ida organization that was attacking this country,” Adm. Dennis C. Blair, the intelligence director, wrote in a memo to his staff last Thursday.
Admiral Blair sent his memo on the same day the administration publicly released secret Bush administration legal memos authorizing the use of interrogation methods that the Obama White House has deemed to be illegal torture. Among other things, the Bush administration memos revealed that two captured Qaeda operatives were subjected to a form of near-drowning known as waterboarding a total of 266 times.
The New York Times, which got a copy of the memo, also notices some odd redactions from the version released by the White House:
Admiral Blair’s assessment that the interrogation methods did produce important information was deleted from a condensed version of his memo released to the media last Thursday. Also deleted was a line in which he empathized with his predecessors who originally approved some of the harsh tactics after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.
“I like to think I would not have approved those methods in the past,” he wrote, “but I do not fault those who made the decisions at that time, and I will absolutely defend those who carried out the interrogations within the orders they were given.”
In other words, the Obama administration covered up the fact that even their own DNI acknowledges that the interrogations produced actionable and critical information. When Dick Cheney demanded the release of the rest of the memos relating that information, he wasn’t just going on a fishing expedition. Cheney filed a request to declassify those memos in March, and the CIA has yet to decide on his request, but we can no longer doubt that records exist showing the success of those interrogations.
Obama has occasionally suggested a truth-and-reconciliation approach to probing the use of torture by the Bush administration, but this establishes that Obama isn’t terribly interested in “truth”. Withholding the truth that waterboarding produced information that saved hundreds of American lives, perhaps thousands, shows that Obama values public relations more than he does the truth. He wants to argue that none of this was necessary to secure the nation against terrorist attacks. In order to make that argument, he redacted Blair’s memo, including his defense of his predecessors, whom Blair acknowledges had to face some tough decisions to uncover plots against America.
Maybe Obama could learn a lesson from Blair in that regard.
We need to have an honest debate on interrogation techniques and securing America against attack from radical, committed terrorists. Conservatives should stop pretending that waterboarding isn’t a form of torture that the US has opposed for decades when used abroad, especially against our own citizens. But everyone else should stop pretending that it doesn’t work, and that we would have been safer without its use. The real question — the one Obama wanted to avoid in his cover-up of Blair’s memo — is how many American lives is it worth to say we don’t waterboard? Ten? A hundred? Three thousand? Fifty thousand, the intended result of 9/11 and presumably the Second Wave waterboarding stopped?










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Obama have an honest and open debate? Not going to happen… ever…
doriangrey on April 22, 2009 at 8:49 AM
All this talk of waterboarding is making me thirsty
blatantblue on April 22, 2009 at 8:52 AM
“Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice, moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.” Barry Goldwater, the Left’s favorite conservative.
Mr. Grump on April 22, 2009 at 8:52 AM
It’s never about the crime, but the coverup
gatorboy on April 22, 2009 at 8:53 AM
As long as he isn’t among the body count, I don’t think he gives a damn.
ladyingray on April 22, 2009 at 8:53 AM
Obama is an arrogant man. He is endangering America by releasing our techniques, to make himself look good for the left. Cheney being a thousand times smarter than anyone in the Obama administration called Obama’s bluff.
jencab on April 22, 2009 at 8:54 AM
These pretzels are makin me thirsty.
I should be a little mad that President Obama is covering up the fact that these techniques worked, but I’m more just smiling in trying to figure out how the left is going to spin it.
BadgerHawk on April 22, 2009 at 8:54 AM
OT: Freddie Mac acting CFO offs-self apparently
gatorboy on April 22, 2009 at 8:54 AM
I’d agree with that and add “And can blame someone else.”
Oldnuke on April 22, 2009 at 8:54 AM
The NYTimes is leaking confidential memos to embaress Obama?
Wethal on April 22, 2009 at 8:54 AM
Well, Dennis Blair is a frickin’ moron, isn’t he? “I like to think I would not have approved those methods in the past,” he wrote. But in the same memo, he acknowledges that the very thing he would not have approved SAVED LIVES.
hawksruleva on April 22, 2009 at 8:55 AM
I applaud President Obowa for taking a stand against torture. We will get better and more actionable intelligence by giving each
terroristhonorable detainee an Ipod in their choice of seven vibrant colors.This approach would be so obviously successful that even a deaf man can see it.
Bishop on April 22, 2009 at 8:57 AM
Well, it’s nice to know that the Slimes is an equal opportunity treasonous organization.
doriangrey on April 22, 2009 at 8:57 AM
An Inconvenient Truth.
2 scumbags got roughed up and, yes, it saved an unknowable number of lives. Oh, and congress signed off on it too. Lets start the political show-trials!
Mord on April 22, 2009 at 8:58 AM
“Patience to measure our lust for action, resolve to strengthen our obligation to lead, wisdom to illuminate our pursuit of justice and strength in defense of liberty.” A prayer made after 9/11 by then Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld. I believe the conditions of the prayer were met by the Bush administration, will we ever be able to say the same of the Obama administration?
AndAwayWeGo on April 22, 2009 at 8:58 AM
He comes from the gutters of Chicago.
Ya and honest conversation is next.
artist on April 22, 2009 at 8:59 AM
As long as Obama looks good to the world, any number of dead Americans is OK. Of course his teleprompter won’t be, but his teleprompter doesn’t have nearly the ego.
SKYFOX on April 22, 2009 at 9:00 AM
Obama and honest are not compatible in the same sentance.
Unless, of course, not is also present.
loudmouth883 on April 22, 2009 at 9:00 AM
sigh… If only KSM’s planned attack had been against San Fransicko and the CIA had not gotten that information out of him…
doriangrey on April 22, 2009 at 9:01 AM
By now it should be clear what Obambi’s motto is: ME FIRST, AMERICA LAST. :(
poxoma on April 22, 2009 at 9:01 AM
Meanwhile,Obama says he’s looking forward into the future
and not looking back,in his daily talkin points montra,
but hasn’t ruled out talking the Bush Administration to
court!!
canopfor on April 22, 2009 at 9:02 AM
There is nothing that Obama would not do to further his own aggrandizement and his own agenda. Nothing.
hillbillyjim on April 22, 2009 at 9:02 AM
That only applies to his associations with the criminal elements and the left extremists.
poxoma on April 22, 2009 at 9:04 AM
The “rights” of enemy combatants are clearly more important than the safety of Americans in the mind of this Administration. Tina Brown of The Daily Beast announced on Fox and Friends that AG Eric Holder is pushing to prosecute the previous administration over the issue. We have elected the modern day equivalent of Caligula’s horse (at least its’ rear end) with the Obama Administration.
kingsjester on April 22, 2009 at 9:05 AM
dorian!
I suppose we will have to ask them nicely to give us actionable intelligence on upcoming plots. They’ll see the new administration as open to dialogue, and stop hating us because of chimperor mcbushitlerburton.
If we decide that waterboarding is torture, then so is prolonged and loud noise, yelling at them, sleep deprivation, etc.
Those methods clearly are torture as is waterboarding, so they must be stopped as well.
/right
rightside on April 22, 2009 at 9:07 AM
Justifying torture is an excuse for breaking the law.
They used it to try to find an al qaeda connection to Iraq to justify that horrible decision.
They failed.
getalife on April 22, 2009 at 9:07 AM
Obama lies, about most everything. How stupid does he think Americans are?
tarpon on April 22, 2009 at 9:07 AM
but its not the same form of waterboarding tactics.
we can’t let the left define the language and use one word to mean both cutting off hands, toungues, etc. and also non life threatening and rather safe methods we have used in only a handful of circumstances.
There is a massive distinction that using 1 word for everything, waters down(pun intended). The question is where do you draw the line between using ‘Interrogation’ terminology and ‘Torture’.
jp on April 22, 2009 at 9:07 AM
in which all the witnesses called to testify would be top Democrats who signed off and knew about everything at the time.
jp on April 22, 2009 at 9:09 AM
CommanderDeceiver-In-Chief.profitsbeard on April 22, 2009 at 9:09 AM
Obama…messing with Cheney, you are way out of your league.
Here is a little advice, to someone I am beginning to despise…want to save you some heartache, but more importantly the U.S.
Drop this issue, and move on, Cheney will eat you up. He knows more about what went on, and going on then you will ever know.
Vice-President Cheney is a leader, not some snot-nosed, whiny beta-lib. You will lose, but more importantly, while trying to defend your weak ass, the U.S. will be harmed.
You won the election, you will lose this battle…move on.
right2bright on April 22, 2009 at 9:10 AM
I can see why Obowa and the ‘rats would want to prosecute Bush administration people; they want a handy excuse for the next time we get hit.
“If Bush hadn’t authorized torture, muslim anger wouldn’t have been so high and they wouldn’t have hit us, so this latest attack is not our fault. In fact every attack in the future won’t be our fault either, no matter how little we do to protect the nation.”
Bishop on April 22, 2009 at 9:10 AM
…but I’m more just smiling in trying to figure out how the left is going to spin it.
BadgerHawk on April 22, 2009 at 8:54 AM
They’re going with “we’ll never know if they’d give up info without it, because they were tortured”…spin.
qestout on April 22, 2009 at 9:11 AM
Damn, I was hoping that it was Barney Frank.
old trooper2 on April 22, 2009 at 9:11 AM
Somebody’s been sampling his Mom’s sherry again.
MarkTheGreat on April 22, 2009 at 9:12 AM
What level of manipulation and lies will it take before the “I love Obama” masses start to question, WHAT ELSE is he lying about?
anniekc on April 22, 2009 at 9:12 AM
CleverDeceptive editing in the West Wing?abinitioadinfinitum on April 22, 2009 at 9:13 AM
“In other words”, cherry picking information released to the public to provoke outrage of a policy that prevented thousands of more Americans from certain death is now SOP of the Obama administration……Got it!
Rovin on April 22, 2009 at 9:14 AM
His testes haven’t descended yet.
rightside on April 22, 2009 at 9:14 AM
I realize that Col. Nathan R. Jessup (Jack Nicholson’s character) in A Few Good Men ends up being a horse’s a**. But he’s got a few good lines in the climactic courtroom scene with Tom Cruise; lines that seem to apply in this discussion.
“I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. … My existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives.”
There are others, but I’ll add the “you want me on that wall; you need me on that wall.”
I say to Obama and to the left, I want these people on the wall. None of these terror detainees have lost a head, a limb, an appendage, or a teabag. They’re still in one piece and no worse for the wear. If Obama dismantles our intelligence-gathering operation, I hope the next attack hits either the heart of Manhattan or the heart of Hollywood. Sorry, all. Anymore, like Israel, I think we need to be on a constant state of alert. All Obama’s done is weaken our ability to protect ourselves, which is really what the federal government should be doing, as opposed to all Obama’s other nonsense.
BuckeyeSam on April 22, 2009 at 9:14 AM
I realize it’s unkind to speculate, but I wonder if there is a suicide note with any names in it.
anniekc on April 22, 2009 at 9:14 AM
I would only point out that, as I understand, our own military is trained to survive it. And the two AQ operatives survived it 266 times between them.
BigD on April 22, 2009 at 9:14 AM
Crap,I gaffed,should be takeing,not talking!Ugh.
canopfor on April 22, 2009 at 9:14 AM
Okay, did the WH edit this, or did Blair’s office, before releasing it to the press? Or is that distinction without a difference?
Midas on April 22, 2009 at 9:15 AM
I assumed Cheney knew why he put out that challenge. Thankfully, it’s gotten legs, too. Obama is now looking like a complete flip-flopper and deliberate about it, too.
Manipulation is, in my opinion, one of the worst things a president can do to ruin his credibility. Bush found that out.
AnninCA on April 22, 2009 at 9:15 AM
Thanks for making me spit out my cheerios.
blatantblue on April 22, 2009 at 9:15 AM
So bring it on bubba! Full congressional hearings… tv cameras, the whole shebang! I want to know every congressman and senator that signed off on this – WHICH THEY DID – I want their names and I want this all to come out.
Sorry – this will never happen. Obama is going to get a little rise out of this, but he’ll back off like he always does. Too great a political cost would be paid were he to bring down the entire government aparatus which supported, signed-off on, and condoned these interrogation techniques.
gatorboy on April 22, 2009 at 9:16 AM
And, hey – if we don’t waterboard, and a terrorist attack is the result, with thousands of citizen deaths… well, I’m sure Obama wouldn’t let that
opportunitycrisis go to waste.Midas on April 22, 2009 at 9:17 AM
This doesn’t sound like “actionable” information, and where exactly did Blair say waterboarding saves hundreds if not thousands of lives?
Ed, you do leave out some information of your own…
Tom_Shipley on April 22, 2009 at 9:17 AM
I
I feel badly about what happened to this man but that was the first thing I thought of also. If he did, chances are we’ll never know what was in the note.
sherry on April 22, 2009 at 9:17 AM
Yep….’now calling to the stand in defense of the Attorney General: Hillary Clinton, next up Harry Reid….’
jp on April 22, 2009 at 9:18 AM
Someone on GP suggested to posters reading the book, “The Third Terrorist”
I started it last night and couldn’t put it down. I’m not very far but there are striking similarities between the administrations/ I hope we don’t have another terror attack to show how many more similarities there are.
Anyone reading to combat what we currently are dealing with might want to consider that book. Maybe you already have……….
ORconservative on April 22, 2009 at 9:18 AM
The ODNI was designed after the 9/11
CommissionOmission to be the primary intelligence advisor to the President.Designed, under pressure from a Congress rabidly demanding “something” had to be done, in the aftermath of 9/11, as they refused to focus on the very real, very clear, reasons why we were asleep at the switch that long ago September morning. The ODNI was fashioned supposedly to cut through the chaff, and the clash of variant voices, and better synthesize intelligence to meet the needs of the White House and to allegedly streamline the processing of intelligence collection.
It has done none of these. It has actually become a major speed bump, if not a barrier, in the process. It has served as a black hole in which billions of dollars that could have, should have, been spent on actually enhancing our intelligence operations in support of our national security, have simply disappeared.
Now, a President conveniently selectively edits intel from the primary intelligence advisor to the President?
Edits out a most salient point, so as to make a vapid point to the American people?
All those bureaucrats, all those billions of ODNI dollars spent….and Obama ignores it all?
Pretty much demonstrates the actual value of this new 9/11 forced bureaucracy to our national security.
coldwarrior on April 22, 2009 at 9:18 AM
Our Social Worker of the United States (SWOTUS) reveals his absolute cluelessness on a daily basis. Interrogations work so let’s not use them??? What???
We get it now. Libtards won’t get it till thousands lie in smoldering ruins. But… then they’ll forget again in a few weeks.
Mojave Mark on April 22, 2009 at 9:18 AM
There’s no Ground Zero in Los Angeles thanks to use of this technique. How many lives would have been lost without this information about a Second Wave is unknowable but should still give rational people (hence this excludes most liberals and progressives like getalife) pause.
Indeed, without waterboarding we might not even now know about the identity of and might not have captured KSM the mastermind of 9/11. Just for that information received from waterboarding was worth its price in gold.
eaglewingz08 on April 22, 2009 at 9:19 AM
Why do you care about murderers?
Un-uniformed murderers that intentionally murder women and children?
Why do you care about these folks?
blatantblue on April 22, 2009 at 9:19 AM
L.A. for one, would have a massive crater in the ground if they had not poured water on KSM’s face
jp on April 22, 2009 at 9:19 AM
Based on this NY Times report, the Obama administration has now demonstrated its willingness to censor information that could be helpful to the defense if they put Bush administration officials on trial. And they’ve also demonstrated their willingness to stigmatize millions of Americans as threats to national security, without any supporting data other than our opposition to their policies.
How much further will Obama go in denying his political opponents our fundamental human rights?
Loxodonta on April 22, 2009 at 9:20 AM
I think he’ll prosecute, gator. First, the congresspeople will simply say they had no idea the extent of the use of the techniques. Second, he’ll ruin the careers of counter-intelligence agents without blinking an eye. Third, it’ll look like he “cleaned up” the immoral CIA.
An attack right now would stop this train.
Obama not only will prosecute, but he’s been setting it up to do so all along.
AnninCA on April 22, 2009 at 9:20 AM
Well said.
It was the right thing to do at the time to the people it was done to. It worked and we are safer for it. It should only be done in those dire circumstances to people like KSM, i.e. known high level terrorist, in a ticking bomb scenario, by presidential authority only. It should further be crystal clear that is not to be done by anyone else to anyone else under any circumstances.
Dash on April 22, 2009 at 9:21 AM
My point was not to thread jack but to say that Obama is a fool to open this stuff up.
If he has a terror attack on his hands (Clinton and Bush did, likely Obambi is next) he is pre emptively setting the scene for how he will be able to deal with it and it is just plain stupid.
ORconservative on April 22, 2009 at 9:21 AM
****No one feed the troll****
lorien will be here shortly to put the moron in its place.
BadgerHawk on April 22, 2009 at 9:21 AM
Truth and Reconciliation indeed.
This is precisely like those “open and honest” dialogs on race the left advocates: “You sit there and agree while we propagandize the heel out of this issue.”
maladapted on April 22, 2009 at 9:22 AM
and not innoncent babies in the womb(or outside in Obama’s case)
Or, increased use of Rendition which leads to more real torture, at the hands of Obama
Or, bombing innoncents in Pakistan and killing them?
Nope, instead lets not dump a few senior AQ figures and by result save Thousands of lives in cities like Los Angelos. Saving our Economy from complete collapse in the process.
jp on April 22, 2009 at 9:22 AM
gatorboy on April 22, 2009 at 9:16 AM
No, it’s up to Holder and the left won on this issue.
They will investigate.
getalife on April 22, 2009 at 9:22 AM
So retroactively applying Obama’s views, one could reasonably argue that the surge would not have happened and that the conflict in Iraq would either still be raging or lost, at the cost of hundreds if not thousands of lives. Information about the “Second Wave” would not have been discovered, as enhanced interrogations would not have taken place, again at the cost of hundreds if not thousands of lives.
Once again, as in Vietnam, the inclination of Democrats to give into naivete, feed their own misguided notions of moral superiority and place political interests over the nation’s interests would have to be paid for in lives. There is no greater evidence to demonstrate why they as a political philosophy and class are unsuited to run this country.
One should ask the president how many lives it will take, in his view, to pay the cost for “finding our moral compass.” What sacrifice of Americans does he feel will be necesarry to satisfy his moral superiority?
His views are all too reminiscent of a lyric from a song called “The Knife” by Genesis (Yes, Genesis before Peter Gabriel left and while the band was still musically interesting) that warned against the price of dictatorship – “Some of you are going to die, martyrs, of course, to the freedom that I shall provide.”
AmericanUnderground on April 22, 2009 at 9:23 AM
OT:
Catch this letter going to Congress today regarding Sebelius.
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MTAyZDI0NmFjNjYwMDIzMDY2M2NjM2Y0NTI3NTMyZjA=
BuckeyeSam on April 22, 2009 at 9:23 AM
Why do you care about murderers?
Un-uniformed murderers that intentionally murder women and children?
Why do you care about these folks?
blatantblue on April 22, 2009 at 9:19 AM
Judging from their words and actions, The Left, and, it appears this Administration, care more about the “rights” of our enemies and prosecuting the Boooosh Adminstration than they do about the safety of our citizens.
kingsjester on April 22, 2009 at 9:23 AM
O/T.
Re: FM CFO Harri Karri!
This is exactly how the Clinton Administration started out,
one by one,everyone around the Clintons were getting snuff
ed out,and distractions were in overdrive!!
FM,Might be the Tip of Zee Iceberg!!!!!!!!!!!!!
canopfor on April 22, 2009 at 9:23 AM
this is the book about Saddams connections to McVeigh and Ok. City bombing right?
see Jayna Davis website:
http://www.jaynadavis.com/
jp on April 22, 2009 at 9:23 AM
I think it’s another distraction to appease the far left bats#it crazies and at the same time, get the right off tea parties and our attention to the rest of of his ham-fisted attempts to push through their socialist utopian programs.
tru2tx on April 22, 2009 at 9:24 AM
and embarrass and ruin all the Top Democrats in Congress in the process.
you are politically retarded
jp on April 22, 2009 at 9:25 AM
Unless one were to have a heart attack it’s impossible to die from the version of waterboarding used against these particular terrorists. No water enters the lungs.
BadgerHawk on April 22, 2009 at 9:25 AM
The left was manipulated, getalife. Any one of us could easily have predicted the blogosphere’s reaction to releasing the memos. That move was designed to get together a left tea party quickly.
It worked.
AnninCA on April 22, 2009 at 9:25 AM
This demonstrates that even talking chimps can be treasonous.
mr1216 on April 22, 2009 at 9:27 AM
I simply have no sympathy for these people.
They are not US citizens. They are not soldiers designate of any country. They are illegal, asymmetrical combatants, therefore they have no rights.
And in regards to those who whimper about “universal human rights” all they’d like, but in my mind, these kalab (dogs), abdicated theirs when they began their assault on innocent men, women, and children.
I don’t care about these folks — do what is needed. I trust our interrogators. They know what they are doing. Their detractors do not.
blatantblue on April 22, 2009 at 9:27 AM
LOL I like that one
blatantblue on April 22, 2009 at 9:27 AM
not OT really, the Left is fully OK with this type of TORTURE against innoncent babies. Sucking their brains out of their skulls while in the process of being born and all.
but….pouring water on KSM’s face to save lives and thwart AQ is bad to them.
jp on April 22, 2009 at 9:27 AM
Blair was chosen specifically because he has always opposed “torture”, on Jan 22 before the senate he stated such.
His confirmation was based on the fact that he has always been against any of the processes.
This is a major departure from his original statement, and naturally to keep his job he has to back track and say the value has not outweighed the benefits.
The fact is, we did gain significant information…just now it is being confirmed that L.A. was a target that was removed from the list after waterboarding.
So the question goes back to those big fat liberal pigs…what city would they be willing to sacrifice not to have used waterboarding?
right2bright on April 22, 2009 at 9:28 AM
I agree, tru…it was in response to the tea parties. That shook them up. Plus, they had to admit yesterday that the Banks aren’t lending. All the huffing and puffing didn’t work.
Time for a distraction. It was like releasing the details of a murder victim’s wounds right before a trial begins.
AnninCA on April 22, 2009 at 9:28 AM
I completely agree with you. There has been too much criticism of his highness in the last ten days. He had to throw out a bone to his base. He went too far this time, this will be a huge mistake if he even attempts to prosecute anyone out of the previous administration. He is such a fool for even floating the idea.
sherry on April 22, 2009 at 9:28 AM
Yet the Waterboarding we have denounced our enemies for using, did in fact force water into the lungs.
jp on April 22, 2009 at 9:28 AM
jp on April 22, 2009 at 9:25 AM
It’s not a political issue. It’s a legal issue
Turn off the corporate media and stop being good little germans.
getalife on April 22, 2009 at 9:29 AM
You will never get an answer from a liberal regarding this…sucking the brains out of a baby is not torture, having a baby you don’t want is “torture”.
right2bright on April 22, 2009 at 9:30 AM
Why do you care about mass-murderers?
HM?
blatantblue on April 22, 2009 at 9:30 AM
Obama’s people know that they just have to get a lefty story canard started, or feed one that already exists, and it will continue to be quoted on news articles and shows and on blogs and chat rooms throughout the globe.
You’ll still hear people popping off about how Scooter Libby “outed” Valarie Plame or how President Bush skipped out on his military service.
Once the left gets a hold of something, true or not, they don’t let go.
29Victor on April 22, 2009 at 9:32 AM
If the detainees still have 10 fingers, 10 toes, legs, arms, ears, eyeballs, a tongue, and other more personal appendages, they have NOT been tortured.
pambi on April 22, 2009 at 9:32 AM
The question I have is about his own arrogance. It’s absolutely political suicide to flip-flop like this. The editorials are raging about it today, and the worst of this type of decisionmaking is that it grows legs that just keep pumping. Now, everytime he pronounces anything, he can be legitimately mocked: Maybe he means it, maybe not.
AnninCA on April 22, 2009 at 9:33 AM
WORD
blatantblue on April 22, 2009 at 9:33 AM
Well, here comes Squeaky, that fat little pig from Animal Farm…doing the bidding of your leaders.
Remember, Squeaky was that little pig (in Animal Farm) that made excuses for Napoleon every time Napoleon screwed up.
Squeal my little piggy…squeal for your leader…
right2bright on April 22, 2009 at 9:33 AM
GALs getting a bit nastier in her postings since the thread thumping she took from us the other night.
Am I to assume now that there is something wrong with being German?
BTW, that corporate owned media definitely carters more to you hollow-headed Donks than they do to us NASCAR fans.
hawkdriver on April 22, 2009 at 9:33 AM
You are soooo funny!!!
That’s a joke, right?
Always great to start off a morning with a good horselaugh.
tru2tx on April 22, 2009 at 9:34 AM
Oh, victor….that junk doesn’t matter. I’ve been participating on these blogs long enough to know which bloggers never have much to add other than drag up some old canard.
AnninCA on April 22, 2009 at 9:34 AM
Tom_Shipley on April 22, 2009 at 9:17 AM
Nonsense. Blair said that the techniques provided actionable intelligence, he was merely opining that the cost outweighed the benefits. I would like to see, along with every other concerned American, exactly what sorts of attacks were stopped using waterboarding or any other method and we can make our own determination on that score.
You don’t ask people what they are willing to endure in times of plenty, you ask them in times of need. You can bet your house that very few Americans would cry a single tear knowing that a terrorist was waterboarded if it kept a skyscraper from being smashed to rubble.
Bishop on April 22, 2009 at 9:34 AM
If Admiral Blair knew that Obama was going to distort the memo so badly, he should have threatened to publically resign. Obama’s so blatantly obssessed with his own image that he would back down.
In fact, he should resign now in protest over Obama’s detrimental politicization of national security.
I hold Admiral Blair responsible for his moral laxness. I expect craven behavior from politicians, but never from commissioned officers.
OhioCoastie on April 22, 2009 at 9:35 AM
One of the better definitions…might add…”and legal representation”.
right2bright on April 22, 2009 at 9:35 AM
It is a legal issue y’all. It will be comforting to know that no laws were broken, the next time innocent Americans are slaughtered, won’t it?
I know this is no longer cool but when you become a terrorist, you open yourself up to negative consequences. I wonder if some of those 9-11 murder victims would have preferred to be waterboarded instead of burned to death. Alas they are not around to ask. The bad guys still are.
John D on April 22, 2009 at 9:35 AM
off topic
miss cali is on faux news right now
omg shes so F*CKIN HOT
anyway
+trebuchet cost
blatantblue on April 22, 2009 at 9:36 AM
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