Update: And if you think this is some sort of academic debate, have a look at this. The stakes of extracting vital info in a ticking-bomb scenario are getting higher by the minute.

Leave it to…

AllahPundit

to blow an easy lay-up… by invoking hyperbolic comparisons…

Guess it matters where the hyperbole is coming from, eh? The Beast and Libertarians good. The GOP Representatives in the House bad. Got it. *wink*

they’ve got someone saying torture works

Is the official Hotair position now that the IET did indeed constitute toture?

So then what was the Obama administration hiding by blacking out so much of the memos?

How much the procedures failed? I very much doubt it.

Go read those two transcripts…

Conservatives, isn’t it pathetic that you find yourselves defending to the death the virtue in torturing people? Is there not a pause in your conscience to think that maybe as a country it’s good we are having this debate? No, better to write everyone who has the slightest bit of apprehension regarding matters like these as weak kneed traitors and terrorist sympathizers…

After hearing so many Democratic representatives (Ron Paul did too) praising Ms. Clinton and Pres. Obama’s willing to listen and hear the opinions of everyone at the Summit of the Americas (inferring Chavez and Ortega) I began to wonder.

If Barack and the Democrats are so willing to listen to dictators that truly represent the elite few in their respective countries, why does he refuse to listen and hear the 46% of the American citizens didn’t vote for him and disagree with his policies?

Yes, I anticipate the childish “he won” response from the Libtards.

No Raining on Obama’s Parade, As Nets Fail to Remember Attacks on Hillary
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/rich-noyes/2008/12/01/no-raining-obama-s-parade-nets-fail-remember-attacks-hillary
By Rich Noyes (Bio | Archive)
December 1, 2008 – 15:32 ET

Less than nine months ago, the Obama campaign was slamming Hillary Clinton as utterly unqualified on foreign policy, having had no substantive experience during her husband’s administration and being dreadfully wrong in her judgment as a Senator when it came to “the most critical foreign policy judgment of our generation,” the war in Iraq.

Senator Clinton’s Claims of Foreign Policy Experience Are Exaggerated
By Greg Craig
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/03/clintons_exaggerated_experienc.html

To: Interested Parties

From: Greg Craig, former director, Policy Planning Office, U.S. State Department

RE: Senator Clinton’s claim to be experienced in foreign policy: Just words?

There is no doubt that Hillary Clinton played an important domestic policy role when she was First Lady. It is well known, for example, that she led the failed effort to pass universal health insurance. There is no reason to believe, however, that she was a key player in foreign policy at any time during the Clinton Administration. She did not sit in on National Security Council meetings. She did not have a security clearance. She did not attend meetings in the Situation Room. She did not manage any part of the national security bureaucracy, nor did she have her own national security staff. She did not do any heavy-lifting with foreign governments, whether they were friendly or not. She never managed a foreign policy crisis, and there is no evidence to suggest that she participated in the decision-making that occurred in connection with any such crisis. As far as the record shows, Senator Clinton never answered the phone either to make a decision on any pressing national security issue – not at 3 AM or at any other time of day.

The Clinton campaign’s argument is nothing more than mere assertion, dramatized in a scary television commercial with a telephone ringing in the middle of the night. There is no support for or substance in the claim that Senator Clinton has passed “the Commander-in-Chief test.” That claim – as the TV ad – consists of nothing more than making the assertion, repeating it frequently to the voters and hoping that they will believe it.

This rebuke is not from the “Right-Wing Conspiracy” that Mrs. Credibility likes to site all the time,
IT IS A SMACK DOWN FROM THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN!!!!

Or something like that.

SeniorD on April 22, 2009 at 5:46 PM

Nice list but you forgot Travelgate.

Those on both sides are pretty much set and those in the middle aren’t concerned anyway so don’t even know what Hillary or some other Comrade says on C-Span.

Smacked around Pence too:

http://tpmtv.talkingpointsmemo.com/?id=2409880

The gop can’t stand up to rush let alone Hillary Clinton.

getalife on April 22, 2009 at 8:05 PM

I’m STILL waiting for your answer to the fact that EVERYONE on the FBI Most Wanted List for Domestic Terrorism is a Left-wing extremist. It’s been 5 days, or does the TRUTH gag you that much?

This is not a Church Committee in the making. Obama and the gang are making another huge miscalculation that will leave them on the defensive.

The shrewdness of the political calculations are looking embarassingly less shrewd.

Safire is correct.