Hillary: I don’t consider Cheney a reliable source on “torture”
posted at 4:47 pm on April 22, 2009 by Allahpundit
Why would she? Cheney claims that enhanced interrogation works when all right-thinking people know that it doesn’t, except of course for Obama’s own intelligence chief. Ed has been all over the Dennis Blair story today but let me add my two cents in calling it a nuclear bombshell in how it incinerates the left’s bad-faith “torture” calculus — or rather, non-calculus. They’re unwilling to concede that there’s any moral choice to be made here because, when push comes to shove, they’re unwilling to say flatly that they’d risk American lives so that Abu Zubaydah doesn’t have to spend time in a box with a caterpillar or whatever. That’s why the Times buried the Blair story today and that’s why Hillary’s lip service about getting everything out in the open, in reply to a question about Cheney claiming that abuses were corrected, is so stunningly disingenuous. The very last thing The One wants is getting everything out in the open about how waterboarding or belly slaps prevented attacks because that means an honest debate on the subject, which in turn leaves him caught between the nutroots and a whole lot of swing voters. The beauty of the Blair story is that, for the very first time, they’ve got someone saying torture works whom they can’t dismiss as “unreliable.” Like I say, nuclear bombshell.
Update: And if you think this is some sort of academic debate, have a look at this. The stakes of extracting vital info in a ticking-bomb scenario are getting higher by the minute.










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No, she thinks Bill is champion torturer though…
kybowexar on April 22, 2009 at 4:49 PM
If I was Cheney, I’d return the favor with:
“Hillary, you’d be the first Witness in my defense I’d call to the stand if these Show Trials go fwd”
jp on April 22, 2009 at 4:49 PM
Of course, during her time getting all that wonderful pre-presidential leadership experience in the 1990′s while she occupied space in the White House, perhaps she could comment on President Clinton’s policy of “rendition?”
No? I thought not.
coldwarrior on April 22, 2009 at 4:50 PM
IF, Cheney ever gets tried for torture… I think his attorney should bring this up as proof.
Obviously he had no knowledge because he’s not a “reliable source”.
Skywise on April 22, 2009 at 4:50 PM
Great minds… :)
Skywise on April 22, 2009 at 4:50 PM
I love how BO is trying to be all moral about so called “torture”….considering his history of voting for tossing live aborted babies in the trash.
This guy would be funny if he wasn’t so sick and twisted.
Youngs98 on April 22, 2009 at 4:51 PM
I’m torn over who to believe. After all, Hillary was first lady for eight years.
fogw on April 22, 2009 at 4:51 PM
It’s more like they can’t say it out loud. Kind of like when they walked the line about not wanting the war to fail.
BadgerHawk on April 22, 2009 at 4:51 PM
Just ask Bubba, listening to Hillary IS torture.
HornetSting on April 22, 2009 at 4:51 PM
I’d like to be fair, did the Bush administration say horrible things about the Clintons? I don’t remember them doing it. This new administration is totally classless starting with the “Don’t Blame Me” tour all the way to pure partisanship on subjects that should be above it.
Cindy Munford on April 22, 2009 at 4:52 PM
what is even sadder is she has become a LAPDOG for someone she must absolutely dispise…..the true definition of a Political Whore….gosh, maybe Randi Rhoades was right?
SDarchitect on April 22, 2009 at 4:53 PM
Well, he could certainly twist words.
Count to 10 on April 22, 2009 at 4:53 PM
Typical Clitonian deflection.
Instead of addressing the issue of whether or not waterboarding is a valuable tool, she attacks the messenger.
I’d like to hear her defend why the administration redacted parts of the memo.
BacaDog on April 22, 2009 at 4:54 PM
Is it acceptable for a SecState to be openly contemptuous of the immediate past VP? Seems unbecoming the office. Could you imagine Condi saying something like this about AlGore?
clorensen on April 22, 2009 at 4:55 PM
The best part:
As Clinton made her first appearance before Congress as the nation’s top diplomat, California Republican Dana Rohrbacher asked if the administration planned to heed Cheney’s call to release documents showing information gained as a result of the Bush administration’s aggressive interrogation techniques.
“Well, it won’t surprise you that I don’t consider him to be a particularly reliable source of information,” Clinton said, to laughter from many in the committee room
Rohrbacher quickly hit back, saying, “Dick Cheney has asked for specific documents to be unclassified. We are not asking for your opinion of Dick Cheney. … If you want to maintain your credibility with us, what is your opinion on the release of those documents?”
Clinton ultimately did not answer the question, saying, “I believe we ought to get to the bottom of this entire matter. I think it’s in the best interest of our country, and that is what the president believes, and that is why he has taken the actions he has.”
rob verdi on April 22, 2009 at 4:55 PM
I loved this smackdown! haha
I agree…..Obama doesn’t want this to come out. Im against showing humanity to those who do not show humanity to us..or their own people. I wonder if those who live in LA would have wanted us to stop torturing at that time? We never would have known about that plot…or the many others.
becki51758 on April 22, 2009 at 4:55 PM
Can you imagine being in a situation where you have to call Hilary Clinton in as a character witness for you?
That is a terrible thought.
Almost torturous…hey!
kybowexar on April 22, 2009 at 4:56 PM
And Billary is a more reliable source….BHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA….
Hmmm….lets see, was she reliable when calling Patreus a liar, or when she was under sniper fire, or when she tried to convince us she believed her sexual predator husband when he said he never had sex with that woman, or is she more reliable when she now supports the very same things she bashed Obama over during the campaign!
Me thinks it’s all partisan politics and has nothing to do with being reliable, but if that’s how she wants to frame it well then all I can say is I wouldn’t rely on her to tie my shoes let alone be reliable in her current position!
Liberty or Death on April 22, 2009 at 4:56 PM
Ms Divisive weighs in.
Basilsbest on April 22, 2009 at 4:57 PM
Oh man.
Repurblican on April 22, 2009 at 4:57 PM
What we are seeing are the dangers of using peroxides much too often.
jdkchem on April 22, 2009 at 4:58 PM
How disgusting this new administration is! All they look for is laughs from the crowd when they try to diss Bush/Cheney.
Hey Hilary how about the torture you have put the American people through for the last 15 years?
I would love to see Cheney put her in her place. Demand an apology!
Frances on April 22, 2009 at 4:59 PM
I believe someone called time and stopped the questioner from going further, but I can’t access any video to find out.
BadgerHawk on April 22, 2009 at 4:59 PM
I posted this earlier but it fits here:
You have got to be kidding.
Hillary talking about “credibility”
I would be surprised if little Mrs. “overcharge” can even spell it.
This coming from the woman who dodges phantom sniper fire while being filmed and basically called General Petreaus a liar:
Hillary “Willing suspension of disbelief”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjcTb2ORVd0
Didn’t she help Bush lie America into the Iraq war according to liberals:
Dam#!!! that Cowboy diplomacy!!!!
Now she is the liberal darling and shining light on credibility after saying the same things about Saddam that Bush is accused of telling lies about.
How progressive!!!!!!
Baxter Greene on April 22, 2009 at 3:01 PM
Baxter Greene on April 22, 2009 at 4:59 PM
So Hillary does not think Cheney is a realible source and she is? Bwahahahahahaha! Hillary and reliable do not belong in the same sentence. I think Bill would agree, wink, wink.
txstar on April 22, 2009 at 4:59 PM
For the first time in my life I may go for the ignorance is bliss path.
WashJeff on April 22, 2009 at 5:00 PM
That is scary…any response from Obama over this? I would think he would give a speech announcing to the Tahl-eee-bahn, that we should all get along. ugh
becki51758 on April 22, 2009 at 5:00 PM
+100
That skank is on record saying that we weren’t doing enough (regarding the enhanced interrogations) when she was trying to be hawkish.
vapig on April 22, 2009 at 5:01 PM
This is how the world views Obama outside the leftist press and its drones:
Panicky US asks Pak to take stand against terrorists
23 Apr 2009, 0110 hrs IST, Chidanand Rajghatta, TNN
WASHINGTON: A stunned Obama administration said on Wednesday that Pakistan posed a “mortal threat” to the United States and world even as a rampant Taliban moved to within 60 miles of Islamabad by taking control of Buner district just outside the capital region.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Panicky-US-asks-Pak-to-take-stand-against-terrorists-/articleshow/4437334.cms
‘Panicky’ and ‘stunned’. Not exactly words you want describing your commander in chief.
blue13326 on April 22, 2009 at 5:02 PM
Honestly, with so many bad actors in the world, does Obama and the Left really think we have time for this nonsense?
I guess we’ll find out when the Taliban lobs a nuke into Iraq and knocks a good number of our trained forces. Or when either Manhattan or Hollywood gets flattened.
Is Perez Hilton of draft age?
BuckeyeSam on April 22, 2009 at 5:03 PM
Allow me to add to your list.
Of course everything was on the up-and-up when Hill was involved in Whitewater shenanigans. And she did nothing wrong by sending her staff into Vince Foster’s office to retrieve documents after they found him laying dead in Marcy Park.
Sure, we can trust Hill – but not that evil devil Cheney.
fogw on April 22, 2009 at 5:04 PM
Not really and we were demanding it. Bush never directly attacked the Clinton’s or the Democrats for their handling of things, even going so far as to extend legal protections to them from conservatives going after them.
The worst they did were vague insinuations.
“You go into war with the army you’re left with.”
This just further proves to me how low-class the Democratic party has become.
Skywise on April 22, 2009 at 5:04 PM
That blue secretary of state sign is huge. Talk about compensating.
lorien1973 on April 22, 2009 at 5:04 PM
Conservatives need to stop being so nice. I would love anyone in a position to question the Obama administration to just ask the question that follows logically: “Would you rather have thousands of Americans die or see enhanced interrogation techniques used on captured terrorists?”
davenp35 on April 22, 2009 at 5:06 PM
Can we stop pretending this woman knows anything about the military or national security? She used her husband’s charisma to get power and has no practical experience or knowledge. Meanwhile, the Left demonizes any conservative woman who actually gets in power without a famous last name.
Speedwagon82 on April 22, 2009 at 5:07 PM
Re-election for Obama won`t look too likely if he allows almost 200,000 American troops get nuked and the economy craters into BEYOND Great Deperession.
Looks like we`re back in power (of what, if anything) come 2012!
ThePrez on April 22, 2009 at 5:07 PM
I’m sure Cheney will cry himself to sleep at tonight over Hillary’s statement.
myrenovations on April 22, 2009 at 5:09 PM
Irony, thy name is Clinton.
Good for the congressman from California (know his name, don’t want to try spelling it…Rorbacher?) for dragging her ass back to the topic.
capitalist piglet on April 22, 2009 at 5:09 PM
Can it seriously get any worse than this? Talk about a perfect storm
youngO on April 22, 2009 at 5:10 PM
Obviously this President thinks he can do anything and is above reproach. He needs to think about what might happen while he is in office, the decisions he will make and how he wants his successor to treat him. Oh wait, maybe he thinks he is our new permanent leader.
Cindy Munford on April 22, 2009 at 5:10 PM
She pretty much summed it up for most Americans.
Constantine on April 22, 2009 at 5:10 PM
Let’s hope it doesn’t come to that.
capitalist piglet on April 22, 2009 at 5:10 PM
Nope… Bush’ fault. Even up til Obama’s last year in office and he gets two terms.
Skywise on April 22, 2009 at 5:11 PM
Summed what up?
Mrs. Corkscrew Landing calling into question anyone else’s credibility is laughable.
capitalist piglet on April 22, 2009 at 5:12 PM
Cry? No. But, Cheney, being the gentleman he is, will show decency and invite Hillary to go quail hunting with him, so they can discuss issues away from the prying eyes of the press.
coldwarrior on April 22, 2009 at 5:12 PM
democrats need to quit dancing around this issue and back up their leader Obama’s campaign promise of “total” transparency.
RELEASE ALL OF THE MEMOS!!!
Here is where Hillary needs to start in establishing “credibility” on torture since she got so much foreign policy experience being involved with Billy’s international “affairs”:
CIA-backed team used brutal means to break up terrorist cell in Albania
Officials call operation one of the agency’s great successes
By Andrew Higgins and Christopher Cooper
THE WALL STREET JOURNAL
http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/msg80840.html
How about it Hillary.
Care to clarify where you stand on the Clinton administrations actions here Mrs. “credibility”.
Do you agree with your husband here:
Audio: Clinton endorses “torture” in special cases; Update: World opinion opposes “torture”
posted at 12:30 am on October 19, 2006 by Allahpundit
http://hotair.com/archives/2006/10/19/audio-clinton-endorses-torture-in-special-cases/
But torture is okay if you are a democrat right Hillary??
Baxter Greene on April 22, 2009 at 5:14 PM
So let’s see…after three months of Obama the trials of those who sought to kill Americans is on hold but the trial of those who sought to protect Americans is a go. That’s great. That’s what the people in this country wanted?
AmericanUnderground on April 22, 2009 at 5:15 PM
Youngs98 on April 22, 2009 at 4:51 PM
spot on!
Ghoul aid on April 22, 2009 at 5:15 PM
And Hillary thought the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy concocted the whole Lewinski scandal.
ctmom on April 22, 2009 at 5:16 PM
1. Rose Law Firm
2. CIA
WHich one deals more with terrorism?
lasertex on April 22, 2009 at 5:16 PM
She pretty much summed it up for most Americans.
Constantine on April 22, 2009 at 5:10 PM
Most Americans do not avoid answering direct questions. Most Americans will approve of whatever it takes to keep our country free and safe. Most Americans are not evasive, egocentric politicians who got their position because of a campaign promise and their husband’s former position.
kingsjester on April 22, 2009 at 5:17 PM
Geez, Rep. Rohrabacher is just not an impressive questioner.
Fumbling, bumbling….
SteveMG on April 22, 2009 at 5:18 PM
Is this the same Hillary who is a marriage expert?
UH-OH THE VAST RIGHT WING CONSPIRACY IS OUT TO GET HER???
Branch Rickey on April 22, 2009 at 5:18 PM
Ain’t that the truth.
Good strong, stuff from Hillary today.
getalife on April 22, 2009 at 5:18 PM
+1
gatorboy on April 22, 2009 at 5:18 PM
Please feel free to add on, I know the Clintoon dirty laundry list is long and posting all of them would add at least 10 pages to this thread…
Yeah, she’s reliable all right, we can all rely on her to do whatever (lie, cheat, steal, etc.) if it helps her politically no matter how it hurts our republic and its people!
Liberty or Death on April 22, 2009 at 5:18 PM
Go to hell Hillary . . . since when have you become a reliable source?
rplat on April 22, 2009 at 5:20 PM
yea,
What happened to all of that “smart power”.
I don’t think anybody thought that meant “whimper and beg”.
Just more proof that liberals don’t have any substantial or coherent plans beyond “It’s Bush’s fault”.
What a joke!!
Baxter Greene on April 22, 2009 at 5:20 PM
Truth…? I don’t believe that word means what you think it does because truth not part of the Clintoon vocabulary let alone part of their legacy!
Liberty or Death on April 22, 2009 at 5:22 PM
Hi, Liar!
There comes a point when a liar can no longer even discern the truth. A pity really.
Spirit of 1776 on April 22, 2009 at 5:23 PM
I wondered where she’s been. I guess they took her out of the freezer for a time to be an attack dog. She needs to get a life, eh?
Dhuka on April 22, 2009 at 5:24 PM
I don’t think Hillary “I survived an attacked in Serbia” Clinton should be going around questioning other people’s honesty.
And she was stunned, stunned when she read in the NY Times that Bill Clinton was going to admit that day during testimong to having an affair with Monica Lewinsky. Up until then, she just knew nothing about it.
Yeah…
SteveMG on April 22, 2009 at 5:24 PM
I’d pay to see Hilary hooked up to a lie detector test,..see the results from just one name,…Vince Foster!!
Pay-per view could make millions!!… : o )
christene on April 22, 2009 at 5:25 PM
It Takes a Village Idiot.
fogw on April 22, 2009 at 5:25 PM
I don’t consider Shrillary a reliable source for logic.
RESET … I mean, OVERCHARGED!
How can she even show her face after that? Unreal.
progressoverpeace on April 22, 2009 at 5:25 PM
Rohrbacher was magnificent in his pointed questioning and not allowing her typical partisan attempt at deflection even though she didn’t answer. We all know the real answer is the Obama administration has no interest in transparency, openness or honesty and her attack on Cheney and then the demural to answer the actual question illustrates exactly that.
KittyLowrey on April 22, 2009 at 5:26 PM
If I was Cheney, I would turn around and say … Coming from Mrs Clinton, who called Gen. Petraeus a liar, I am in very good company.
MDWNJ on April 22, 2009 at 5:26 PM
You should know.
getalife on April 22, 2009 at 5:26 PM
Correction: it was Bosnia not Serbia.
Dodging sniper fire. Just like Monica was dodging fire.
Sorry, a bit of lockerroom talk there.
SteveMG on April 22, 2009 at 5:27 PM
Um, Mrs Bill, did you know that Mr Cheney was the Vice President of the United States and that he may have been privy to a little information?
Some one that would lie about a cookie recipe is a reliable source?
oakpack on April 22, 2009 at 5:28 PM
It’s up to the new sheriff, AG Holder.
He said it was torture and nobody is above the law.
getalife on April 22, 2009 at 5:28 PM
In order to accept anything this woman says I have to willingly suspend disbelief and ignore her long history of partisan lying.
Basilsbest on April 22, 2009 at 5:28 PM
Torture was cool under Clinton.
What happened?
drjohn on April 22, 2009 at 5:28 PM
Agreed, but when is someone going call OBama’s ass on the carpet for flat out lying about this?
drjohn on April 22, 2009 at 5:30 PM
Yup, I’m onto you.
fogw on April 22, 2009 at 5:30 PM
Shrillary’s sniper memories from Bosnia
progressoverpeace on April 22, 2009 at 5:30 PM
The woman was exposed years ago as dishonest and unethical by her supervisor from when she served on the Watergate Committee (where she recommended Nixon be denied counsel). She is shameless and is most likely gratified with getting to roll out her latest gutter ball against the real enemy, Republicans, not dreary, harmless terrorists, who are only to be shrieked about when she determines there’s partisan gain for herself to be had.
KittyLowrey on April 22, 2009 at 5:31 PM
Ahhhhh. Isn’t that cute. It’s trying to talk like a big girl. Here’s some candy. Why don’t you run along now and let us adults finish our conversation.
PappaMac on April 22, 2009 at 5:31 PM
There is no law against a lawyer misreading or misinterpreting a statute. Hell, Holder thinks that giving voting rights to DC representatives is Constitutional even though the document clearly only permits representatives from states to vote.
Although if the left wants to politicize this and ignore the country’s interests, I’m sure they’ll make something up.
If the Constitution can be a living document and changed at will, why not other lesser laws?
SteveMG on April 22, 2009 at 5:32 PM
Apparently lowlifes school literary magazine club meeting ended early…. (=
Branch Rickey on April 22, 2009 at 5:33 PM
I like the way the chairman jumped in to save her.
tommylotto on April 22, 2009 at 5:33 PM
“I think it’s in the best interest of our country” – libtard translation: “I think our constituents will only vote for us again if we do it this way”. Doesn’t matter if it’s corrupt, or just plain wrong.
kirkill on April 22, 2009 at 5:34 PM
Ah yes. I remember that, now.
I was one of the few who got to see her pathetic press conference to explain how she had been trading cattle futures like a pro but couldn’t remember any details about it. She also never came up with a good explanation as to why she never got margin calls, like every other person on Earth.
Shrillary is a cockroach of modern politics. She’s not the only one, unfortunately.
progressoverpeace on April 22, 2009 at 5:34 PM
So, said the Tigress of Tuzla.
Blarg the Destroyer on April 22, 2009 at 5:35 PM
If he isn’t a reliable source on tortue I guess that means Cheney wasn’t involved.
lavell12 on April 22, 2009 at 5:36 PM
This is why Lawyers are destroying America. If one says something is so, it doesn’t matter what the actual LAW says.
America is DOOMED, and that is what Obama and the Democrats want, they HATE America. They say they love America, but only because they see it becoming a socialist utopia full of fluffy unicorns.
kirkill on April 22, 2009 at 5:37 PM
All that Pakistan bashing is paying off! /s
KittyLowrey on April 22, 2009 at 5:39 PM
I don’t consider Hillary a reliable example of a woman.
AND…
I don’t consider GetaClue an adult.
JoeAvg on April 22, 2009 at 5:39 PM
Hey, something I finally agree with getalife on…is the sky falling?
You’re absolutely right GAL, no one is above the law and that should scare the shiite out of Billary especially if her and the rest of Obambi’s administration pushes this “torture” witch hunt cause’ she’s got skeletons my friend, lots of scary skeletons in her closet that I’m certain she wants to keep in the closet…so bring on the trials baby…yea!
*gets popcorn*
Liberty or Death on April 22, 2009 at 5:40 PM
That was awesome. Why anyone thinks any Clinton has credibility is beyond me, though.
scalleywag on April 22, 2009 at 5:41 PM
Hillary would know.
Del Dolemonte on April 22, 2009 at 5:41 PM
Siren at Drudge.
GM shutting down.
getalife on April 22, 2009 at 5:42 PM
Holder is guilty of the carnage at Waco & Ruby Ridge.
He has blood on his hands. He is a Political Whore and You look foolish every time you post your nonsense here.
old trooper2 on April 22, 2009 at 5:43 PM
I’ll join the chorus deriding Hillary’s willing suspension of disbelief that proved her an asshat on Gen. Petraeus’s achievements in Iraq.
Hillary’s ill temper is her favorite tool to fulfill her wish for a vast right wing conspiracy. She keeps poking people in the eye, such a Klutz. She so wants to be considered clever.
maverick muse on April 22, 2009 at 5:43 PM
Hillary also told us her husband wasn’t fooling around with Moanica Lewinsky. When he made a getalife out of her by admitting he had done so, she blamed his adultery on his mother and grandmother.
Hillary also told us that she voted to let Bush invade Iraq because her husband’s intel people told her that Saddam had WMDs.
Del Dolemonte on April 22, 2009 at 5:44 PM
Stay on topic.
Oh, that’s right, you’re getting your O’bama kicked. Better put some ice on that bruise.
Del Dolemonte on April 22, 2009 at 5:45 PM
Not the Hillary I knew. The Hillary I knew had no idea what was taking place under Bills desk. Since she admists to not knowing what is going on, at what point has all that changed?
“I don’t recall” Remember how many times she said that regarding her legal woes?
seven on April 22, 2009 at 5:46 PM
This coming from the woman who:
1. Blamed
hisher husband’s infidelity on the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy2. Hid legal files requested by Congress for two (2) years
3. Hired the White House security boss who kept hundreds of raw FBI files on Republicans
4. Was involved in the financial scam that led to the demise of the Savings and Loan industry
5. Has yet to explain how she converted a $1,000 investment into a $100,000 profit in the volatile cattle futures market
6. Was an not prosecuted by the Independent Counsel investigating her husband (even though there was evidence to the contrary)
7. Received monies from her ghost-written autobiography
LyingLiving History8. Conned the people of New York she had been a Yankees fan all her life growing up in the Chicago Cubs/White Sox market
9. Wrote her Seniors Paper praising Saul Alynski.
And we’re supposed to believe her?
SeniorD on April 22, 2009 at 5:46 PM
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