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Besides, what the hell are we going to do about it?

Who’s going to complain that will make any difference?

If you do, then you’re partisan, and that’s only allowed on the Left.

Notice this game they’re/He’s playing? “No, we won’t do that…yes we will…no, maybe not…on second thought.”

I thought the cap and trade thing was dead, but it’s coming back. They’re toying with the opposition (whoever that is). They allow something to be brought up, makes some news, they/He pretends to reject it, and then it pops up later through and alternate route.

If you complain the first time, and nothing happens, then the second time fewer will listen because then you’re Chicken Little.

Interesting game-just wish it was happening in a different country.

I increasingly believe us to be screwed.

To libs, a woman beaten, raped and left for dead is morally superior than a woman standing over her attacker with a smoking gun.

To libs, a city bombed with hundreds if not thousands of dead civilians is morally superior than if we had waterboarded one terrorist to have prevented it.

What’s worse, this nation seems to have a majority who agree with the lib mindset as they keep electing more and more who lean towards that perspective.

God protect this nation… because the libs sure wont.

:(

It seems to me that given the way in which they have conducted themselves, however, that they are not, in fact, people entitled to the protection of the Geneva Convention. They are not prisoners of war. If, for instance, Mohamed Atta had survived the attack on the World Trade Center, would we now be calling him a prisoner of war? I think not. Should Zacarias Moussaoui be called a prisoner of war? Again, I think not.

Team Obama regarding torture.

The folks at CIA are not at all happy with Obama.

We’re really not very good at this.

So, let’s not only expose the folks at CIA to undue legal harrassment, but let’s also bankrupt them at the same time.

Have had one or two former colleagues who are still paying off legal fees from over a dacade ago for having to respond to specious charges in relation to their work.

Obama was met with enthusiasm from the lower level logistics and admin personnel at the Agency yesterday. The operations types…not so much.

coldwarrior on April 22, 2009 at 12:54 AM

That’s an excellent and chilling point, especially when you consider that the high-end liberal trial lawyers of D.C. are unlikely to offer special discounts for persecuted Bush-era intelligence analysts and field officers.

Luckily, there’s no reason to suspect this Administration would ever try to destroy political targets by lawyering them to death. It’s not like any high-ranking officials in the Cabinet have a documented history of such villainy.

By the way, did you have any friends that worked in the White House Travel Office?

As for me, I’m about to go and take the ASVAB to prepare for service to my country. My country that waterboards or doesn’t. My country that allows law breakers or doesn’t. Your words are empty. Take peaceful action, get a hobby…

Dr. Manhattan on April 21, 2009 at 3:00 PM

I saw this earlier and forgot to congratulate you on your preparations for becoming an American Soldier.
It is a very strong decision and my family wishes you well.

I hope to join you.
I passed the ABSVAB and got through MEPS up until I was denied for severe hearing loss.
The Army sent me to a specialist who gave me a waiver.
The Chief Medical Officer gave me a waiver(reluctantly)but
the surgeon generals office ended up denying my waiver request.
I immediately set up getting the hearing loss corrected but was only 3 weeks from my 42 birthday.
I am home now after getting my right ear corrected and have to wait 3 months before I get my left ear done.

During this time I have collected referrals from Business’s that am associated with or they are accounts of mine.
I have worked with Veteran groups for years and asked the 101′st local Veteran affairs official write a referral for me also.
I am combining these recommendations with my college degrees,and MEPS paperwork(at 42 I am in pretty good shape with a 400 lb. bench press/550 lb. squat/and 4.7 40 time) and asked the state GOP leader to present them to Rep. Coble/Rep. Fox/Senator Burr for a chance to get an age waiver after my hearing is fixed.
I have already arranged previously to sell my business and
my Wife and Daughter support my decision to serve 100%.
I think it is a slime chance I will get in but am going to use every avenue I can to be an American Soldier.
I would love nothing more than to join you in serving this country and being a part of the biggest fight for Freedom the world has ever seen concerning the Jihadist and their quest for the modern Caliphate.

If I don’t join you,you and everyone that serves has the full support of my family and we wish you a safe return from a victorious mission.

Obama was met with enthusiasm from the lower level logistics and admin personnel at the Agency yesterday. The operations types…not so much.

coldwarrior on April 22, 2009 at 12:54 AM

Great points,your inside analysis is very informative.

The CIA has already stated they are ready to go to war against the Obama administration:

Comment: CIA Insiders Issue Political Threats Against Obama, Panetta
January 8, 2009 ·
http://intelligencenews.wordpress.com/2009/01/08/02-32/

Another “former senior official” warned Obama and Panetta to “think twice about pledges they make now [about the handling of terrorism detainees] because they may come back to haunt them in the future if some dire circumstances occur”.
Baxter Greene on April 21, 2009 at 4:24 PM

Do you see a lot of back door disclosure/leaks from angry,disgruntled CIA officials that don’t appreciate being politicized when they are trying so hard to keep America safe.

Baxter Greene on April 21, 2009 at 5:35 PM

Phenomenal work on that list!

Doctor Zero on April 21, 2009 at 8:10 PM

Wow!!
Like getting a compliment from Charles Krauthammer.

tigerlily on April 21, 2009 at 9:05 PM

Trochilus on April 21, 2009 at 10:46 PM

smellthecoffee on April 21, 2009 at 11:50 PM

Keemo on April 21, 2009 at 10:26 PM

I know there are several reasons for the about face by the Obama administration concerning politicizing the difficulties of war (such as massively moving the goalposts
on what constitutes torture) and Obama needs to appease his base (apparently BDS is all they have still),but when I see
discloser’s like this,it makes me wonder just how strong a case they really have here:

NYT: Harsh techniques worked, intel chief says
Private memo says interrogation methods helped nation in terrorism fight
By Peter Baker
The New York Times
updated 10:21 p.m. ET, Tues., April 21, 2009
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30335592/

Some parts of memo deleted

Admiral Blair’s assessment that the interrogation methods did produce important information was deleted from a condensed version of his memo released to the media last Thursday. Also deleted was a line in which he empathized with his predecessors who originally approved some of the harsh tactics after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

“I like to think I would not have approved those methods in the past,” he wrote, “but I do not fault those who made the decisions at that time, and I will absolutely defend those who carried out the interrogations within the orders they were given.”

A spokeswoman for Admiral Blair said the lines were cut in the normal editing process of shortening an internal memo into a media statement emphasizing his concern that the public understand the context of the decisions made in the past and the fact that they followed legal orders.

I call bullsh!t on this statement.

You don’t edit out statements of this magnitude for purposes of condensing a report.

I think Dick Cheney has thrown the Obama Administration a curve ball with wanting total disclosure and now Obama is going to have to open up for the world the democrats total involvement into the very practices they have called “war crimes” for years or face cannibalism from his left wing base.

This Micheal Mooring up of the news to fit the democratic agenda works on John Stewart/MSNBC/CBS crowd but has fallen flat when put to the test of factual analysis and proof of guilt by bi-partisan panels (Bush lied theme blown away by every investigation for example).

But everyone knows that dealing with lawyers and Congress,it’s not about “right or wrong” but who can poke holes in the law well enough to push their agenda and how the press frames the issue.

I suspect the democrats being in control will push for another seriously partisan review like the 2008 Senate Intelligence report that only took what President Bush and Republicans said about pre-war intel concerning Iraq and did
not hold democrats accountable for the more than 10 years condemning Saddam for his WMD/nuclear program and ties to Al-Qaeda.
Ironically,this report vindicated Bush concerning the bogus “Bush lied” drivel more than any other report put forward (especially vindicating Bush on Iraq’s ties to Al-Qaeda before the invasion).

democrats tried this “war on Bush” tactic with a rush of subpoena’s in 06 which helped drop their approval ratings
into the single digits for the first time in history.

Serious issues like the economy,Iraq/Afghanistan/Iran/Pakistan/N.Korea being muddled up with partisan witch hunts that already show serious cracks with the discloser’s about how successful these techniques were could really bite the democrats in the arse
IF REPUBLICANS STAY STRONG AND FIGHT ON THIS ISSUE.
ALL THE REPUBLICANS ON THE HILL NEED TO GROW A PAIR OF CHENEY BALLS TO STOP THIS PARTISAN WITCH HUNT.

n0doz on April 22, 2009 at 12:35 AM

Making a case, might be difficult.

Obtaining an indictment, easy as breathing.

Here’s the rub…

If ANY Agency personnel are indicted, consider this.

The average Agency operations officer earns between $45k to $98k…per year. Not a hell of a lot, considering what we had to/have to put up with daily.

I’m not talking about senior sub-cabinet inhabitants of the Office of the Director of national Intelligence, I am talking about the men and women out there on the tip of the spear. $45-$98k. And the upper end of that indicates at least 10-15+ years already in the field.

These folks, my former colleagues, are not rich. And salaries as these, in the DC area, maintaining a mortgage, and the added costs of living in DC, or in some of the various countries where they work? Puts them below most in private business with similar skills and experience.

Thus, IF indicted…they are going to have to lawyer up…and in the DC area, the average lawyer earns about $75k to $150k, and this includes the ambulance chasers and guys who handle DUI’s. To get a good or very good lawyer in the DC area, look for about $200-$400 for the hourly fees.

So, let’s not only expose the folks at CIA to undue legal harrassment, but let’s also bankrupt them at the same time.

Have had one or two former colleagues who are still paying off legal fees from over a dacade ago for having to respond to specious charges in relation to their work.

Obama was met with enthusiasm from the lower level logistics and admin personnel at the Agency yesterday. The operations types…not so much.