Labor: Union loss in vote proves secret ballot bad

posted at 12:55 pm on April 21, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

George Orwell had nothing on Big Labor, and apparently, the New York Times.  The paper gives a credulous reading to the union’s position that two failed elections in a Louisville hospital to organize nurses shows the need for Card Check and the elimination of the secret ballot.  Instead, the outcome shows how easily card-check systems can get manipulated to overwhelm the will of the majority:

The battle has ground on for 20 years. In 1989 and again in 1994, a clear majority of nurses at a Louisville, Ky., hospital signed cards saying they wanted a union. But each time a majority of the nurses later voted down the idea when it was put to a secret ballot.

Organized labor points to the fight at Norton Audubon Hospital as proof that America’s labor laws need to be overhauled: judges ruled that management had prevailed by illegally intimidating and firing nurses.

Nurses who want a union plan to try again, and they had expected a Democratic president and Congress to retool labor laws to make it easier to win. Instead, in Louisville and around the country, organized labor may be facing a major setback in the most contentious fight over labor laws since the 1940s.

In this fight, the NLRB found many violations of law by management regarding their efforts to persuade the nurses not to unionize.  Seven years ago, a judge ordered the union recognized as a penalty against management, even though the union lost in a secret ballot 366 to 220, an overwhelming majority.  An appellate court upheld other penalties against the hospital, but overturned the recognition — which means the union has to hold another organizing effort.

Now, if management treated people that badly, then one might expect the nurses to overwhelmingly support a union for their own protection.  A secret ballot would give them the best opportunity to implement that, clearly and honestly.  So far, the nurses have not opted to do that, which speaks louder than the court about where the nurses see their best interests.

What lesson are we to take from this story?  Is it that management intimidated the nurses so badly that they somehow forced the nurses to vote against unionization in secret, even though they had publicly signed cards supporting the organizing effort?  Does that make any sense at all?  The obvious explanation is that the act of getting signed cards does not accurately reflect the wishes of the workers, and that any intimidation that occurred would have impacted the card-check process — where people are public about their positions — rather than in the secret ballot that followed.

Recall this previous post: Video: Another cautionary Card Check tale.  In that case, the employer colluded with the union to use Card Check instead of a secret ballot in order to get a loan, and it took a secret ballot initiated by the employees to chase the union out of the workplace.  The secret ballot is the antidote to intimidation by both sides and should be protected as a key part of the process in organizing workplaces.

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And in the mean time the NYT is busy trying to bust the Union at the Boston Globe. Oh the irony.

TheBigOldDog on April 21, 2009 at 1:00 PM

Secret ballot – as long as it is honest – is the only sort of ballot that reflects what people actually want.

Corruption is exactly what signed ballots will ensure – in the form of intimidation if nothing else.

kybowexar on April 21, 2009 at 1:01 PM

Corruption is exactly what signed ballots will ensure – in the form of intimidation if nothing else.

kybowexar on April 21, 2009 at 1:01 PM

Very good, Watson. You’ve cracked the code!

mr.blacksheep on April 21, 2009 at 1:03 PM

Card Check is supposedly dead, so we’ll just let judges rule it into power.

And now we’re going to prosecute those that tried to keep us safe.

We are so screwed.

Knucklehead on April 21, 2009 at 1:06 PM

Unions have ALSO lost when it tried to organize an Indian Tribal Casino:

Unions Lose

Secret ballots WORK

originalpechanga on April 21, 2009 at 1:06 PM

Stop the world I want to get off! Where have all the adults gone?

Fuquay Steve on April 21, 2009 at 1:09 PM

I just went to a thing were I work. Of course it was anti-union propaganda. (Note: I am Anti-Union myself) But it showed how it would be easy for organizers to say, “Hey, sign this” and mislead people on what they were singing. Making it out like they would be signing a petition type thing, not that the signed card IS the vote.

- The Cat

MirCat on April 21, 2009 at 1:11 PM

Secret ballots are un-patriotic.

Transparency is needed across the board. I submit that in order to preclude voting fraud, voters must stick their finger in a bottle of indelible purple ink to indicate they have already voted. To provide transparency and allow exit polls to accurately forecast the outcome of the election, I further submit that the index finger of the appropriate hand (left for voting Dem, right for the good guys) be used to indicate which candidate was selected by the voter.

BobMbx on April 21, 2009 at 1:11 PM

O/T: Geithner has now come to the realization that it’s hard to price the “toxic” assets.”

Well, hallelujah! Man, is that guy a genius or what? And here I was, all along thinking that the root of the problem was that the price of the assets was well known. Good thing we’ve got Turbo on the job, who knows how badly wrong we might have gone had he not figured this one out.

/big-time sarc

mr.blacksheep on April 21, 2009 at 1:12 PM

Raise your hand if you’re ready to take up arms against the creetins in DC?

larvcom on April 21, 2009 at 1:12 PM

“In 1989 and again in 1994, a clear majority of nurses at a Louisville, Ky., hospital signed cards saying they wanted a union. But each time a majority of the nurses later voted down the idea when it was put to a secret ballot.”

my LONE question for any union type involved with that hospital — WHY?

Buckaroo on April 21, 2009 at 1:13 PM

my LONE question for any union type involved with that hospital — WHY?

Buckaroo on April 21, 2009 at 1:13 PM

“A diabolically clever plot by the stupid cavemen in management” is the only logical answer.

mr.blacksheep on April 21, 2009 at 1:14 PM

And now we’re going to prosecute those that tried to keep us safe.

We are so screwed.

Knucklehead on April 21, 2009 at 1:06 PM

Obama is nothing but a panderer, and a liar. How anyone can justify this piece of trash, is beyond me.

capejasmine on April 21, 2009 at 1:15 PM

When you don’t win, change the rules until you win. Classic Progressivism.

Weebork on April 21, 2009 at 1:15 PM

Union leader to female nurse: “Wouldn’t it be wonderful to have a union represent your interests? Please sign here!”

Nurse: “If you twist my arm any harder, I’ll be a patient!”

Steve Z on April 21, 2009 at 1:17 PM

The secret ballot also gave us Barack Obama, Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi.

Star20 on April 21, 2009 at 1:17 PM

Meanwhile, Tampa Bay Ray fans say that their World Series loss is “proof” that the Phillies cheated.

LibTired on April 21, 2009 at 1:18 PM

Odd, not even one mention that those who signed cards may have done so by intimidation. Given the NYT’s treatment of union workers in Boston, isn’t this a case of the pot calling the kettle black?

GarandFan on April 21, 2009 at 1:19 PM

MEGHAN MCCAIN IS THIN AND BEAUTIFUL!!!!

Ghoul aid on April 21, 2009 at 1:21 PM

BobMbx on April 21, 2009 at 1:11 PM

What if I vote independent or 3rd party? Do I just flip my middle finger?

What about split ticket voting across multiple offices? different colored ink for each finger on each hand?

It’s very complex.

Thus begins a series of house and senate committee meetings to reform the BobMbx Voting Act.

BacaDog on April 21, 2009 at 1:24 PM

Hey if the DOJ is going to go after the CIA agents that used harsh methods will the also go after the Congress people that knew about them?????????????????????????????????????????

Rick007 on April 21, 2009 at 1:26 PM

This just proves that “O” Dumbo Ears is a Muslim.

He runs the Country just like the Quran. It can be changed daily with idics.

Rick007 on April 21, 2009 at 1:28 PM

Stop the world I want to get off! Where have all the adults gone?
Fuquay Steve on April 21, 2009 at 1:09 PM

The “Adults” have left the building.

When you don’t win, change the rules until you win. Classic Progressivism.
Weebork on April 21, 2009 at 1:15 PM

These “Adults” grew up in a world that let them do whatever they wanted just so their self esteem would not suffer. Now when they don’t get what they want they cannot accept it. So they call it unfair and change the rules….

Bogeyfre on April 21, 2009 at 1:30 PM

Our nation has become insane. Nothing of common sense is of value. Only insanity is the norm. Wake up American. We are in a hand basket. Don’t you see where this is going?

vulcannomad on April 21, 2009 at 1:31 PM

What lesson are we to take from this story? Is it that management intimidated the nurses so badly that they somehow forced the nurses to vote against unionization in secret, even though they had publicly signed cards supporting the organizing effort? Does that make any sense at all? The obvious explanation is that the act of getting signed cards does not accurately reflect the wishes of the workers, and that any intimidation that occurred would have impacted the card-check process — where people are public about their positions — rather than in the secret ballot that followed.

What this proves is that the Union was intimidating these people to sign the cards but that once they got behind closed doors and voted, their true intentions of now wanting a union prevailed. I once worked at a unionized shipyard in New OOrleans that built vessels for the U.S. Navy. Beleive me, unions do nothing but drive up the cost of building anything. We caught union workers sleeping on the job on an at least weekly basis. The union rules said 2 supervisors had to witness this before the person could be written up but not fired. So even if one member of management saw them sleeping, someone would wake and warn them before the supervisor could return with a second member of management.

TrickyDick on April 21, 2009 at 1:36 PM

Thus begins a series of house and senate committee meetings to reform the BobMbx Voting Act.

BacaDog on April 21, 2009 at 1:24 PM

Ha ha! I sense a filibuster.

BTW, I have 20 fingers and toes (or tos in someplaces) combined. Using a rainbow selection of inks, up to 10 ballot choices can be indicated.

It should be obvious that only males will be allowed to vote for 3rd or independent party candidates. These votes will by necessity and decorum (excepting San Fran) remain secret, only because some votes would be bigger than others.

BobMbx on April 21, 2009 at 1:41 PM

Perhaps a little OT, but the recent discussion of the Miss USA pageant highlights the reality of speaking out publicly and the importance of a secret ballot.

For providing the opinion in her heart, rather than the politically correct response, Miss California has been ridiculed in some quarters and has even been called a b*tch and a c*nt by the judge who posed the question that she was required to answer. I don’t have a problem speaking my mind in groups, but many people have difficulties doing so. Hence, I’m not surprised that in the public card polls, the union gets a thumbs up, when, in a secret ballot, the union gets the thumbs down.

As far as the secret ballot goes, in the Miss USA pageant, it’s my understanding that the judges could hide their votes from the public–though may be not from each other–so that they could vote as they wish. Those are the rules of the game. I’m sure that we know how the Hilton clown voted, but the others get to keep their votes to themselves, if they choose.

Secret ballots are essential because they empower people to to vote their true desires when fear might prompt them to vote otherwise.

BuckeyeSam on April 21, 2009 at 1:45 PM

Wow! They’re even dumber than I give them credit for.

Attila (Pillage Idiot) on April 21, 2009 at 2:08 PM

It’s the typical leftist mentality: “We didn’t get what we want, so we’re going to change the rules, and keep on changing them until we do get what we want.”

Vic on April 21, 2009 at 2:12 PM

Oh please — there MUST be another 147 votes that will be discovered under a bedpan in the janitor’s closet, amiright?
/.

CaveatEmpty on April 21, 2009 at 2:27 PM

Secret ballots WORK

originalpechanga on April 21, 2009 at 1:06 PM

I still don’t see how it can be constitutional to force a worker into a union just because a majority of his coworkers vote for it. That alone should be illegal.

Count to 10 on April 21, 2009 at 2:30 PM

This illustrates everything a lib believes. How could ANYONE vote against unionizing? Maybe people know what the union promises is an absolute lie or for what ever reason don’t want to unionize.

lwssdd on April 21, 2009 at 2:38 PM

Whether pro or anti-union (I am anti), when people start changing the rules of voting, it means they are losing in an honest debate.

radiofreevillage on April 21, 2009 at 2:46 PM

Unions often use intimidating tactics to get people to sign. Oten people will sign just so that organizers will leave them alone and then vote differently in secret. Maybe large employers should join us here in the south where we have the right to work law plus our southern hospitality, they will definately feel welcome! Labor unions are thugs and mobs. They have outlived their usefulness. If you do not think so, ask yourself what have they done for you and Europe lately. NOTHING!!!

sargentj on April 21, 2009 at 3:08 PM

I will do anything, including voting for a Republican who normally might irritate me, to keep out EFCA.

My best friend in my early 20′s was a gal whose father ran Stran Steel. I saw union violence up close.

They shot at this friend’s house. Over nothing.

Want to know why we lost the steel industry?

It was due to unions.

AnninCA on April 21, 2009 at 3:54 PM

Here in California we have seen the result of unionized nurses. The California Nurses Association has become completely politicized. It’s famous here for sending out screaming crowds to harrass politicans with which it disagrees. Poor Arnold has been badgered to death by these goons.

They also are responsible for endless walkouts and strikes by nurses here. They “demand” a say in how the hospital is managed, which to my mind has nothing to do with nursing.

Keep voting them down!

sdillard on April 21, 2009 at 3:55 PM

Well you can count unions and union workers in the ranks of those who are opposed to freedom and the right to choose. Little do they realized how they will be oppressed by the strong totalitarian central government that they support.

docdave on April 21, 2009 at 4:03 PM

I would sign the card just to force the vote, and then so the union would subsequently let sleeping dogs lie. If the don’t get enough signatures to get the vote to happen, they’ll just keep bothering workers.
It’s like calling the question, and it doesn’t indicate a real commitment at all.

winoceros on April 21, 2009 at 4:23 PM

Whether pro or anti-union (I am anti), when people start changing the rules of voting, it means they are losing in an honest debate.

radiofreevillage on April 21, 2009 at 2:46 PM

+1, And same thing when they use judges to change the law.

kirkill on April 21, 2009 at 4:28 PM

Unions these days serve no purpose except for their own greed.

kirkill on April 21, 2009 at 4:29 PM

In this fight, the NLRB found many violations of law by management regarding their efforts to persuade the nurses not to unionize

Offering pencils to their employees to mark the ballots would be considered “violations”.
If management happens to say in a meeting, “we really encourage you to vote the right way” that is a violation. They cannot state anything the management is for, unless an official union representative is present. So even if a boss says, “be sure and vote”, he is now in violation.
But the union has total and frees access to employees at all times, and during breaks and lunches.
Basically management has to hire a union attorney and consultant to keep on staff during these times.
There has to be “violations” so when the union loses, they have some kind of case.

right2bright on April 21, 2009 at 5:07 PM

If management happens to say in a meeting, “we really encourage you to vote the right way” that is a violation

Another violation of the 1st amendment. The courts are really to blame for this travesty as they either sanction it by silence or edict.

docdave on April 21, 2009 at 5:12 PM

Democrats via the Teacher’s Unions destroyed the very sucessful voucher program for washington’s minority school children.

UAW has destroyed GM.

“Unions will bankrupt NYC”- Mayor Bloomberg (April 2009)

Haven’t the Unions destroyed enough?

TN Mom on April 21, 2009 at 9:37 PM

“Count to 10 on April 21, 2009 at 2:30 PM”

yer young, right?

/unions — america’s vanguard of authoritarian collectivism for decades …
:-(

Buckaroo on April 21, 2009 at 10:21 PM