Video: Perez Hilton at the Miss USA contest?
posted at 1:35 pm on April 20, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
Mix an almost-anachronistic beauty contest with an outspoken gay liberal blogger, and you get … a classically awkward moment. I’ve gotten a lot of e-mail about Miss California’s response to Perez Hilton about her stance on gay marriage, all of it cheering her defense of traditional values:
According to the person who clipped and uploaded the video, Miss California got booed, but if so, not by many. Perez himself shakes his head in annoyance, but what did he expect? These beauty contests are celebrations of kitschy Americana — of bathing suits and evening gowns, of “world peace” and apple pie.
In fact, one has to wonder why the organizers invited Perez to be a judge at all. Surely Perez’ readership doesn’t represent their core audience, and his celebrity-dish-loving readers could care less about Gracie Lou from North Dakota anyway. It’s a very strange choice. And Perez proves it by calling Miss California a “dumb b****” for not agreeing with him:
Stay classy, Perez. And I think you need something much stronger than a cocktail. (Thanks to my co-blogger Allahpundit for the second vid)
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I’m against gay marraige but for gay divorce.
Think of the influx of ca$h to the economy after all of the 15 minute marraiges implode.
Marraige is difficult for all, but toss in the “multiple sexual partner” issue and you’ve got a powderkeg.
Good luck to all gays, but if we can’t change your minds, why do you think you can change ours?
omnipotent on April 20, 2009 at 2:29 PM
Yup… every fascist movement was sold as a “youth movement” dimsissing the “old guard.”
mankai on April 20, 2009 at 2:29 PM
Boy, oh boy. This is just over the top. Way to shove more immoral behavior down the throat of traditional Americans. I mean, is there NOTHING they will not politicize?
She was so nervous…what a stinking set up. I am proud of her and the audience seemed to approve.
How about they stop giving this lunatic any more credibility? Please? He isn’t mainstream and we aren’t hollywood.
Mommypundit on April 20, 2009 at 2:30 PM
I think on some level you know that isn’t true, but the fact that you want it is clouding your ability to see it.
Besides – you said the other day that you would be satisfied with civil unions, didn’t you?
capitalist piglet on April 20, 2009 at 2:30 PM
She’s a keeper. You done well Mom and Dad!
faol on April 20, 2009 at 2:31 PM
Yeah, and I knew reading this repeating theme that they’re “dying off.”
Wishful thinking on their part I guess.
hawkdriver on April 20, 2009 at 2:31 PM
They asked Miss California last night on the Miss USA panel
from earlier this morning
ThackerAgency on April 20, 2009 at 2:31 PM
Could someone direct me to a gay “No sex before marriage” web site? I want to encourage them.
mankai on April 20, 2009 at 2:32 PM
Getting rich and famous has nothing to do with “doing something very right”. In fact, I would argue that insisting on doing right is an obstacle to getting rich and famous.
Example: Do charity work and serve your community or exploit the personal private lives of others and attack numerous people in public. The first will get you nothing not even the title of Miss America. The second will get you wealth, fame and lots of hits on your website. This “guy” is living proof of what is sick in our culture right now.
bagoh20 on April 20, 2009 at 2:32 PM
THERE YOU GO AGAIN! Confusing a great feeling moment with the FACTS! Shame on you ;~}
All of this is based on FEELINGS… not facts…
CynicalOptimist on April 20, 2009 at 2:32 PM
I agree, to an extent, but many will grow older and change…and many will never embrace it. Many are also not educated at government reeducation camps…they are home schooled or private schooled. Until the gov. begins to outlaw what is taught there, they are still a force to be reckoned with.
Mommypundit on April 20, 2009 at 2:33 PM
They all said civil unions initially, and called anyone who said it was a precursor to gay marriage an alarmist.
It’s all about forcing everyone to agree with what they do.
TTheoLogan on April 20, 2009 at 2:33 PM
Don’t worry. It’s been made.
MadisonConservative on April 20, 2009 at 2:33 PM
Well, that was convincing. I think Perez should run next time.
booter on April 20, 2009 at 2:33 PM
And many have bibles and will oppose it for the same reason they’ve opposed it for thousands of years.
TTheoLogan on April 20, 2009 at 2:33 PM
We’re glad to hear that.
TTheoLogan on April 20, 2009 at 2:33 PM
I think Perez was projecting when he called Ms. Calif. a dumb B****. He seriously sounded a bit jealous of her.
4shoes on April 20, 2009 at 2:34 PM
Perhaps if Miss California had worn black, shown the judges her tattoo, performed “I Want to be Sedated” on the spoons, and displayed her address book filled with the names of all of her gay friends she would have passed Mr. Hilton’s litmus test.
And, JetBoy, I’m really surprised by the dismissive way you characterized all opponents of gay marriage. I struggled with my position on Prop 8 and have tried to educate myself about the arguments put forth by the No on 8 side. I can tell you that labeling everyone who disagrees with you as homophobic, Evangelicals, or “lame,” as you did in your first post, is not the way to persuade people to your side. You would do well to read some of the posts over at Gay Patriot, particularly the ones from last November, in which there was a sincere attempt to reflect on why Prop 8 passed and how the No on 8 arguments could have been framed better.
Y-not on April 20, 2009 at 2:34 PM
After Miss South Carolina a few years ago, I think beauty pageants have become as much of a joke as that little dipstick shaking his ham hocks in disgust.
MadisonConservative on April 20, 2009 at 2:34 PM
This really needs an answer from the “tolerant” crowd. I ain’t lettin’ go of this….
CynicalOptimist on April 20, 2009 at 2:34 PM
Bravo!
Matticus Finch on April 20, 2009 at 2:35 PM
I don’t know where your getting your information but, I work in the advertising media industry and you’re wrong. HA is #57 on the technorati top 100 blog and PH is not even in the top 100. Also, PH does a lot of manipulation of his numbers. He cumes page views and unique views so the monthly number looks higher. He also, as in TV tends to get higher numbers in the winter than the summer.
Get a clue!
xler8bmw on April 20, 2009 at 2:35 PM
Incremental creep. (not you, their process)
omnipotent on April 20, 2009 at 2:35 PM
Y-not, although this was a thoughtful response, I have to say the whole “framed” thing is telling. It’s not about their beliefs or feelings being any different, it’s just how they say it. That’s also called a “euphemism.”
TTheoLogan on April 20, 2009 at 2:35 PM
Where were the boos that Perez mentioned? After review I heard nothing but cheers for her.
Vegi on April 20, 2009 at 2:36 PM
Hey megs, not to rain on your parade, but I think you left a thought unfinished again.
TTheoLogan on April 20, 2009 at 2:36 PM
If he wasn’t going to get a tiara last night, the h*ll if he was going to allow her to get one.
BuckeyeSam on April 20, 2009 at 2:37 PM
And if he had had any takers, they would have deserved to be exposed as being hateful. That was a hell of a thing to say. You would agree, no?
I suspect it was hyperbole, but it’s incredibly ugly, and I can only assume the reason it’s still there is because whoever is responsible for pulling posts hasn’t seen it yet.
capitalist piglet on April 20, 2009 at 2:37 PM
As usual, you’re wrong.
MadisonConservative on April 20, 2009 at 2:37 PM
Through some twist of channel surfing fate, I saw this last night live. Someone is hallucinating – the crowd cheered. Yes, there were a couple of boos, but I heard mostly applause and cheers.
eaglesdontflock on April 20, 2009 at 2:37 PM
All you need to know about the gay lifestyle is to look at what happens when fully practiced. Let’s compare, shall we?
Let’s take a highly religious group, the Mormons. They live their religion faithfully, for the most part. And let’s take a highly gay group, like San Francisco. This, it can be argued, is what a truly gay society would be like.
Mormons: Nice, clean neighborhoods, good people. Some strange customs, like green jello and casseroles. Lots of kids. Modest girls. Law abiding. People taught to serve others and in fact well known for being much better at disaster relief than FEMA (not that hard, alas). Healthier, but likely to die from too much meat and potatoes
San Francisco gays: Folsom street, die from some STD. Assless Chaps. Protests, graffiting, blacklisting those who disagree with them and getting them fired. Calling for religions such as the Mormons a “detriment to society.” Wishing to prosecute and jail anyone who disagrees with them. Intolerant, fascist like movement.
Now, JetBoy and his gay friends says that if we choose option B, the gays, that we will have no ill consequences–we will have nothing but peaches and cream. But that the Mormons, option A, are the bigots who need to be silenced and are to be mocked and scorned, and that the Mormons are the real threat to society and should be run out of town, or at least not allowed to be seen as they are bigots and should not be someone to emulate.
Riiiiight.
Vanceone on April 20, 2009 at 2:37 PM
“I was the YouTube moment of the show.”
Self adulation. Of course, everything is about gay rights. Most certainly, the Miss USA Contest was ALL about Perez Hilton.
maverick muse on April 20, 2009 at 2:38 PM
Jetboy? You stated that no one loses anything if gay marriage is allowed. My question is, what does anyone gain by allowing gay marriage?
PappaMac on April 20, 2009 at 2:39 PM
Not a big fan of the whole beauty pageant thing, but who’s idea was it to let that freak Perez judge one? He’s got to be the most crude and rude of all the gossip sites. Everything he says and does is in order to generate publicity for himself.
anniekc on April 20, 2009 at 2:39 PM
BTW, can anyone in recorded pageant history remember such a crass comment by any judge after the event.
Thinking, thinking…
Nope not here.
What if the Miss California said in an after event interview, “I can’t believe the twink even asked me the question.”
She would be running for her life. But you know she has class and morals and wouldn’t say anything crass like that to begin with. Most of us wouldn’t.
hawkdriver on April 20, 2009 at 2:39 PM
Well, it’s nice to see the Phelps clan is adequately represented in this thread.
That said, Perez was, is, and always will be a complete jackass.
Vic on April 20, 2009 at 2:39 PM
You are letting the San Francisco Folsom Street attendees represent the gay lifestyle?
By that same token, you would present Warren Jeffs as an example of the Mormon religion.
MadisonConservative on April 20, 2009 at 2:40 PM
Nice try… thanks for playing.
mankai on April 20, 2009 at 2:41 PM
I am for gay marriage, but I am against gay divorce. Choose wisely.
The_Vig on April 20, 2009 at 2:41 PM
Thank you. And thanks to you too, progressoverpeace.
But this is just a strawman argument, to say that “Well, if we allow this, we’ll have to allow that.”
I’m not a proponent of bigamy, or marrying a chicken or a dog, or incest, or pedophilia, etc etc.
Gay marriage ONLY redefines “man and woman”. Nothing else. It’s still two consenting adults. Again, I’m sure there were people in the South who once thought “If we allow interracial marriage, next thing you know people will want multiple wives or a pet as a spouse.”
And yes, piglet…I still stand by my Civil Union argument. That’s fine…but it has to be equal to marriage under the law.
JetBoy on April 20, 2009 at 2:42 PM
I see the Pelosi clan is adequately represented in this thread.
mankai on April 20, 2009 at 2:42 PM
Miss NC was way hotter anyway. That is the real issue here. The hottest girl won — mission accomplished! Go Tar Heels!
dcwvu on April 20, 2009 at 2:43 PM
What’s the matter with three consenting adults?
mankai on April 20, 2009 at 2:43 PM
1. freedom of speech, workplace and thought…hate crimes laws will come before or after and criminalize dissent.
2. Honorable tradition based on sound biological functions and safety for raising children, i.e., the truth…will be leveled for a faux civil rights cause
3. Muddying of civil rights equating behavior with irrevocable physical traits (race)
4. Blurring of gender lines creating utter confusion for children…including dramatic language change, devaluation of parental roles and the nuclear family to make way for makeshift families of gay couples
5. tacit approval of an unhealthy lifestyle…an endorsement.
Endorsement is what is sought. Not tolerance. We DO tolerate…what the gay lobby wants is endorsement.
Mommypundit on April 20, 2009 at 2:43 PM
In some cases, it’s not a phobia, it’s a hatred against homosexuals that becomes so intense that the hater is consumed by the irrational hatred.
Homosexuals are human beings. They are not objects. And human beings don’t deserve to be verbally or physically abused or murdered simply because they are homosexuals.
Loxodonta on April 20, 2009 at 2:44 PM
I think civil unions are a decent compromise, and a good remedy to the equality issue, but it’s pretty clear that the gay community doesn’t agree with me.
Which leads me to the same conclusion. This is an attack on religion. And not just Christianity. All mainstream religion. That’s the only thing it could be.
capitalist piglet on April 20, 2009 at 2:44 PM
Sure I would agree. I don’t think homosexuals should be put to death for what they do, but in the case of people like jetboy, i’m definitely not going to be on the defensive and apologize for believing what I do just because he calls everyone names who doesn’t agree with him.
TTheoLogan on April 20, 2009 at 2:44 PM
Yeah, the Hot Air regulars are going to run right out and denounce gays by protesting dead and wounded soldiers. That’s us.
No.. wait. I just remembered. Phelps is a Donk and old Al Gore supporter.
hawkdriver on April 20, 2009 at 2:44 PM
MadisonConservative: Yes, I let the Folsom street fair stand for gays. I never hear of anyone gay who seems to think it is anything wrong. Or very few.
And Warren Jeffs is not Mormon, he does not claim to be Mormon, and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints has openly rejected his movement. If you call him Mormon, you might as well call Martin Luther Catholic. Same thing.
Vanceone on April 20, 2009 at 2:44 PM
Civil unions was always a stepping stone, not a compromise.
TTheoLogan on April 20, 2009 at 2:44 PM
Stop equating behavior with black skin. It isn’t the same. Your struggle is not the same and never will be.
Mommypundit on April 20, 2009 at 2:45 PM
+10
capitalist piglet on April 20, 2009 at 2:45 PM
This whiny nitwit lacks the intellect to understand that she has an absolute right to her opinion and her lifestyle . . . if he doesn’t like it then he can stick it in his ear or the orifice of his choice.
rplat on April 20, 2009 at 2:45 PM
Vanceone, unless you prefer wasting your time, I’d encourage you not to try to make a point with madisonconservative/megs mccain. It will only result in a lot of pain and disappointment for all parties involved.
TTheoLogan on April 20, 2009 at 2:45 PM
What is gained?
PappaMac on April 20, 2009 at 2:45 PM
Michael Jackson changed his skin color:)
TTheoLogan on April 20, 2009 at 2:46 PM
You get +15 for giving her +10.
hawkdriver on April 20, 2009 at 2:46 PM
So, what was this, then?
MadisonConservative on April 20, 2009 at 2:46 PM
people like perez only hurt others.
little ms. hilton does not deserve to be heard because because he’s gay – it’s because he’s an angry, hateful, self-loathing, little piece of sh*t of a person.
jcrue on April 20, 2009 at 2:47 PM
Perez is a jerk for politicizing the pageant the way he did and then personally attacking Ms. California because he did not like her answer. The girl was taken by surprise which is why she stumbled through it but in the end she just came out and said how she felt which should have been good enough. But like on college campuses everywhere, you can’t say what you feel but must lie in the name of politcal correctness.
surprisingly though, I agree completely with Perez Hiltons Federalist stance on the issue. I just don’t think that is how he truly feels.
Daemonocracy on April 20, 2009 at 2:47 PM
you know, they really figured out a way to ruin a buty pagent by letting Perez in it to talk about Gay stuff.
hot girls combined with a gay sex mental reference equals FAIL
good job Trump, no wonder you are going bankrupt
jp on April 20, 2009 at 2:47 PM
and you get +5 for given him +10 for giving her +15…
I guess I get 0
jp on April 20, 2009 at 2:48 PM
The redefinition of “man and woman” MATTERS because the procreative process is linked with marriage. Just because there IS divorce, or premarital sex, or children born from single parents does not make the standard wrong to uphold as a COMMON BIOLOGICAL GOOD, a safety for children and, historically, women, and the cornerstone of a sound, equitable society.
Truth matters and it is neither safe nor sound to endorse ricky behavior and approve of it by leveling standards for a false civil right.
Mommypundit on April 20, 2009 at 2:48 PM
Funny Jetboy, you didnt respond to me. Seems that CHRISTIAN MINISTERS do lose something, since they are being jailed:
Step 1. Legalize gay marriage
Step 2. Arrest Christian ministers for giving New Testament sermons that condemn homosexuality (see Sweden, 2003: http://www.albertmohler.com/commentary_print.php?cdate=2004-08-05 )
battleoflepanto1571 on April 20, 2009 at 2:48 PM
I’m warning you, Vance. Megs McCain/madisonconservative will not be rational. You’re opening up a pandora’s box here.
TTheoLogan on April 20, 2009 at 2:48 PM
risky. oops.
Mommypundit on April 20, 2009 at 2:48 PM
Oh, okay.
(At this point, I am as frustrated as you apparently are. Sarcasm is pretty much all I have left. As always, nothing personal – still think you’re a cool guy.)
capitalist piglet on April 20, 2009 at 2:48 PM
I listen to al every day. :o)
Mommypundit on April 20, 2009 at 2:49 PM
1 out of 50, or less(I don’t know the exact number) of heterosexual couples cannot have children.
50 out of 50 homosexual couples cannot have children.
TTheoLogan on April 20, 2009 at 2:49 PM
Quit trolling.
MadisonConservative on April 20, 2009 at 2:49 PM
Equality.
JetBoy on April 20, 2009 at 2:49 PM
You’re aware he thinks you’re a hateful, closed-minded bigot, right?
Not that you can’t think someone is cool who thinks that of you, just making sure you take that into the equation.
TTheoLogan on April 20, 2009 at 2:50 PM
“She gave the worst answer ever”
Nothing like having an opinion, you intolerant puss.
YoungAmerican on April 20, 2009 at 2:50 PM
Quit whining, megs.
TTheoLogan on April 20, 2009 at 2:50 PM
Good on Miss CA! I wonder if there’s any way for people to express their support of her, since I’m sure she’s getting lots of hate from the “tolerance” crowd.
KS Rex on April 20, 2009 at 2:50 PM
Donald Trump brought on Perez so that something controversial would happen and people would be buzzing about his show. Looking at the amount of comments here in this thread, I can say “mission accomplished”. We have all bought into his plan. Donald really is an evil genius.
dcwvu on April 20, 2009 at 2:50 PM
I haven’t seen a straight marriage aided by state endorsement. If the state is rewarding straight couples for marrying, it leaves the work up to them and pretty much ignores the high failure rate.
The state will give out a marriage certificate to a young couple who fell in love at first sight a few days ago. There isn’t much scrutiny put into the endorsement.
dedalus on April 20, 2009 at 2:50 PM
Again, Madison: I point out that the Folsom Street Fair occurs where gays are the most “tolerated.” It’s on the gays home turf, as it were. It takes place where gays view as a refuge–San Francisco. Are you saying that it is just an aberration? That the Folsom Street Fair isn’t what gays lead to? Then why is it in the hometown of the gay rights movement? Why is it supported so fiercely there?
Okay, look at the other bastion of “sexual freedom:” The Netherlands. Also gay friendly. Also the home of legalized beastiality, a huge red light district, and every other perversion. The home of a very young age of consent, I believe.
Look at the most “mormon town” that I know of: Provo, Utah. Thousands of clean streets, happy families, located in a county called “Happy valley.” Consistently rated one of the best cities to raise a family. People call it dull because there’s no “exciting” nightlife like massive drug parties, though it’s not unknown, of course–stupid people live in Provo like anywhere else. Point is, the two towns most representative of gays and Mormons show the results of those lifestyles: The Folsom Street Fair, and a “dull” lifestyle meant for raising a happy family.
By their fruits ye shall know them, after all.
Vanceone on April 20, 2009 at 2:51 PM
Thank you. You get +20 for giving me +15 for giving her +10.
(And you get +100 for your service to our country, if you’re the one I’m thinking of.)
capitalist piglet on April 20, 2009 at 2:51 PM
So thousands of years of Western Civilization was loaded with homophobes and “lame” definition of marriage? And I suppose that same-sex marrigae advocates are now completely enlightened, even more so than every prophet of the Torah and New Testament, so they can redefine the meaning of marriage? You, sir, are arrogant and ignorant, and if you disagree with me, you are worse than Hitler.
Andy in Agoura Hills on April 20, 2009 at 2:51 PM
At the price of freedom of speech of others.
hawkdriver on April 20, 2009 at 2:51 PM
You’re not equal. You can’t physically have children. This is sort of like demanding I be on a basketball team of 7 foot tall people when I’m 4 feet tall.
I do remember you being hateful, closed-minded, and bigoted about polygamous marriages. What about equality for them?
TTheoLogan on April 20, 2009 at 2:52 PM
Many here are not smearing homosexuals en masse, and don’t want that to happen. Please don’t smear all of us and Hot Air en masse. Let’s stay focused on individual behavior.
Loxodonta on April 20, 2009 at 2:52 PM
If he really wants some attention next time, he should show up at the next Tea Party with Ms. California. He is against the Obama spending and taxation, so why not.
Daemonocracy on April 20, 2009 at 2:52 PM
I’m not sure what you are arguing…
I am not saying that there aren’t some marriages where the couple choses not to have children or cannot have children. I am talking about (gasp) biological norms here.
(Yes, I am of the antiquated mind that there are limits to our biology and standards built into the fantastic design therein. somethings were not MEANT to go in some places…yeah…)
Mommypundit on April 20, 2009 at 2:52 PM
Pleading for sanity from madisonconservative/megs mccain is like asking jetboy to be tolerant.
TTheoLogan on April 20, 2009 at 2:52 PM
I’m well aware of Phelps’ political leanings, which is yet one more reason I have to loathe him. He is, however, a christian activist who tells the truth about his religion. Please feel free to re-read this thread to see my point – there are several posts here claiming that America should “go Iran” on gays, etc. All of this is in keeping with strict biblical law (Lev. 20:13).
Vic on April 20, 2009 at 2:52 PM
Ah, so you believe that two men can procreate. Interesting view into your psyche.
Obviously, gay marriage can never be equal to the marriage of a man and a woman.
PappaMac on April 20, 2009 at 2:53 PM
The point I am making is that homosexual marriages never biologically make sense, where heterosexual marriages do, even when you have cases where they cannot produce offspring.
TTheoLogan on April 20, 2009 at 2:53 PM
Oh, and Madison? Mormon means “the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.” NOT the “Fundamentalist” church. The Mormon church refers to the 13 million strong Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. For you to try to claim that Warren Jeffs is representative of Mormons is dishonest. Again, you claim that Martin Luther was Catholic? Or are you trying to avoid the point?
Vanceone on April 20, 2009 at 2:53 PM
You go ahead and take +15 out of petty cash for yourself too. ;-)
I might be. Thanks
hawkdriver on April 20, 2009 at 2:54 PM
Mommypundit on April 20, 2009 at 2:43 PM
Well said. Excellent summary.
KS Rex on April 20, 2009 at 2:54 PM
The homosexual lobby definitely wants endorsement. That’s why they are the same groups pushing for hate crimes laws/free speech infringements.
TTheoLogan on April 20, 2009 at 2:54 PM
I know of some members of the gay community who do not want SSM on parr with Male/Female Marriage. They realize the ramifications of such a move.
There’s more to marriage than having sex and sharing your life with someone.
I was reading last night in the Bible. The first reason is to become one flesh (which is impossible for those of the same sex) the second is proceation (and again… impossible)
CynicalOptimist on April 20, 2009 at 2:54 PM
I understand. Feeling is mutual. At least we’re all able to discuss this issue rationally. For the most part…
I really do respect everyone’s (well, almost everyone’s ?*cough* platypus *cough*) opinions on this. Just makes me want to fight harder for equal rights. And equal rights are all that I want.
Again, nothing to do with Christianity, or “killing it” as someone said. I’m at mass every Sunday. So please people, don’t tell me I’m against Christianity.
With that, I should go from this thread, as I’m riled up and likely to say something soon that I’ll regret. Taking a breather.
JetBoy on April 20, 2009 at 2:54 PM
All his douche qualities aside, Hilton does correctly say that it’s a matter that should be left to the states (though I’m sure the states that wouldn’t pass it are dumb bitch states).
But the point is lost in his being such a p***k.
Got a new stalker I see.
SouthernDem on April 20, 2009 at 2:55 PM
I’m not sure I understand your point, but let me clarify mine.
I’ve been in California for a couple of years now, after having relocated from Indiana. Prior to living in California I would have considered myself to be disinterested in the issue of gay marriage. It wasn’t much of an issue for me in Indiana — obviously, it is a much bigger issue here in California.
There are a number of arguments for gay marriage — and a number of arguments against gay marriage — but what I observed is that the No on 8 side focused on the “fairness” argument. In the best manifestation of their argument, the No on 8 group ran ads that tried to draw a comparison between gay marriage and the civil rights movement; however, there was a very strong undercurrent (made visible by vocal No H8′ers) of “Prop 8 supporters are bigots” in the No on 8 movement. Often, that sentiment bubbled up in really offensive actions and remarks by the No on 8 groups. I am not a bigot, but I felt that that’s what they were calling me. It didn’t help persuade me.
That, coupled with the fact that the gay marriage advocates failed to describe what the deficiencies are with the current situation (domestic partnerships), led me to pull the lever for Prop 8.
The follow up to the vote in which the No on 8 crowd began to smear individuals whose conscience led them to make $50 donations to the Prop 8 efforts has certainly not helped the proponents of gay marriage either, at least not in my eyes.
My recollection is that of all the blogs I visited, it was only at Gay Patriot where I saw some attempt to analyze why their efforts to defeat Prop 8 failed. As I recall, GayPatriotWest concluded that the “fairness” argument was not a good one. Every other No on 8 position I read focussed on demonizing the folks who voted for Prop 8.
So my original point is that when you have an issue that runs so close to the core values of Americans, as the gay marriage issue does, it is important to think carefully about which of your arguments you are going to emphasize.
For example, I’m pro-life, but I personally do not think hanging out at abortion clinics with big photos of aborted fetuses is the best way to win hearts and minds either. Sure, the pictures are completely accurate and, yes, you have a chance to persuade a couple of women to reconsider, but I think it is not a helpful strategy for the political movement.
Y-not on April 20, 2009 at 2:55 PM
Yes, I am aware of that.
I refuse to hate on JetBoy. He takes a lot of fire around here, a lot of it cruel and unfair, and whatever he thinks of me, I will disagree with him as a friend. Because I am a Christian, I know what it’s like to have people pile on you for a minority opinion, because of who you are and what you believe.
capitalist piglet on April 20, 2009 at 2:55 PM
Obviously you believe a married man and woman MUST have biological children. Or hey…dissolve the marriage!
Gotta go. It’ll get ugly if I don’t.
JetBoy on April 20, 2009 at 2:56 PM
Jetboy, you should regret saying what you already did. You constantly attack everyone who disagrees with you on here.
You are definitely against Christianity. Saying your opposition to all things biblical is justified by you going to mass is as ludicrous as Barack Obama saying he’s not against conservatism because he met with some conservatives.
TTheoLogan on April 20, 2009 at 2:56 PM
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