Should we scold Obama for shaking Chavez’ hand?
posted at 3:12 pm on April 20, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
Barack Obama may have made some mistakes at the Trinidad Summit of the Americas this weekend, but does greeting Hugo Chavez with a handshake qualify as one of them? Andrew Malcolm reports on the latest eruption over protocol by the President:
Bad enough, in conservative thinking, that President Obama appeared to bow to Saudi King Abdullah during the G-20 meetings in Europe earlier this month.
Now, Republican critics are pouncing on the president for his charm offensive at the just-concluded Summit of the Americas in Trinidad and Tobago. The charge: He let Venezuela dictator Hugo Chavez maneuver him into a smiling one-on-one photo, and he failed to answer Nicaraguan leader Daniel Ortega’s 50-minute anti-American rant.
“Ortega disrespected America,” fumed conservative commentator Pat Buchanan on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” today. Recalling that President Reagan rebutted Soviet leaders who trashed America, Buchanan said Obama should have responded to the rant.
Chavez broke off diplomatic relations with the US in 2008 after years of ranting incoherently about George Bush being the devil. Last weekend, Chavez announced that he might consider restoring diplomatic ties in consideration of Obama’s change in policies towards Latin America. At this point in time, however, neither country has initiated diplomatic contact.
Technically, protocol would dictate that the two leaders should not have public contact at the summit. A handshake with Chavez doesn’t represent the egregious break from protocol and tradition that bowing to the king of Saudi Arabia does, though. It probably isn’t as bad as a handshake with Raul Castro would have been, either, although that would have been a similar protocol failure.
Obama has specifically promised to improve relations with Venezuela, including holding presidential-level talks, so this greeting was to be expected. At least this time, Obama limited himself to a handshake for a head-of-state greeting, rather than bowing (and scraping) as he did on the European Grand Tour.
Letting Ortega’s rant pass with just a quip about its length, though, deserves some scorn. If the President doesn’t want to defend his country at these international gatherings from unfair diatribes, what’s the point of attending at all?
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Palling around with terrorist, Obama is a loser.
Firebird on April 20, 2009 at 3:15 PM
I think he did about what you would expect from a crypto-Marxist.
maladapted on April 20, 2009 at 3:15 PM
Nope:
http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2009/04/20/explain-again-to-me-why-this-is-a-scandal/
Nuff said.
getalife on April 20, 2009 at 3:15 PM
Not upset about the handshake. Could have done without the smile, though.
YYZ on April 20, 2009 at 3:17 PM
If the President doesn’t want to defend his country at these international gatherings from unfair diatribes, what’s the point of attending at all?
Obama defend the United States? What?
The only difference between some of what he and these morons said is the nuance Obama has attached to it. For a lot of what Obama has said, he could have lifted the text from Ortega or Chavez themself for goodness sake. (OK, that may be a bit of a stretch, but not by much)
catmman on April 20, 2009 at 3:18 PM
He should have defended the country to Ortega as well as Chavez. Especially when he gave him the book. Knowing Obama, he probably already has the book or at least heard of it so he could have made a statement saying this book does not truly represent America or what it has done. That is the disgraceful part, that he cannot defend his own country but he worries about himself: I was only three months old. So what?
youngO on April 20, 2009 at 3:18 PM
The point of going is to promote “BARACK OBAMA” not the U.S.
ctmom on April 20, 2009 at 3:20 PM
Nothing new here… Obama’s radical buddies were known before the election to a sub-set of the population – effectively innoculating the masses.
Bottom line is that we’re toast – hope you all have contingency plans and are not going to be waiting on the federal government to but a band aid on your bloody knee.
gatorboy on April 20, 2009 at 3:20 PM
Sounds like a job for C3PO…
Scrappy on April 20, 2009 at 3:20 PM
Hannity’s tearing him a new one on this right now….hell yeah we should. 4 years can’t go by fast enough.
RepubChica on April 20, 2009 at 3:20 PM
Well, if The Precendent doesn’t want to be blamed for something that happened before he was born (Bay of Pigs) then I don’t want to blamed for something that happened before I was born, namely, slavery.
Isn’t that fair?
ladyingray on April 20, 2009 at 3:20 PM
Look, this is a guy who found William Ayers and Jeremiah Wright acceptable, but found John Roberts UNacceptable.
He’s is a life-long hard-leftist. Every step of the way, he has moved toward the left, toward racial division and racial grievance, toward socialism, toward anti-Americanism.
Most of us have known this for a year; sadly, the American electorate is woefully ignorant.
maladapted on April 20, 2009 at 3:21 PM
Just wait, he’ll change his tune once one of these guys stink palm him.
Seriously, you would think that his handlers would want to avoid a grip and grin so that when one of these thugs does something “embarrassing” there will not be a Rumsfeld/Saddam type photo getting plastered everywhere.
rw on April 20, 2009 at 3:22 PM
Obama probably thought it was a religious experience. Like a Jeremiah Wright sermon.
zmdavid on April 20, 2009 at 3:22 PM
Ed , DHS taking notes..
the_nile on April 20, 2009 at 3:22 PM
Will he ever NOT make mistakes when he travels outside the US?
deidre on April 20, 2009 at 3:22 PM
Obama should have either confronted Ortega, or gotten up and left during the tirade. He should have ignored Chavez. So what if we do not have diplomatic relations with Venezuela? It is not as if it matters.
I am not too concerned about allowing money made by Cubans to be sent back home, or by easing some travel there. In truth Castro is not the future, he is the past and there will be a vacuum when his regimes passes. It would be good for the US to be in a position to take advantage of that.
As for the rest of them, screw them as Kos might say. I am sick and tired of listening to corrupt Latin American thugs blame the gringos for everything.
Obama just looks like an idiot sucking up to these people. I know he thinks that if he is nice to them, then they will change…but they do not want to change, they are happy with things the way they are.
Terrye on April 20, 2009 at 3:23 PM
So the leftist leaders want to deflect blame from themselves, and blame the US for the piss poor shape their countries are in. They have a sympathetic ear from the Obama Worldwide 2009 Apology Tour. This a shock, how?
MDWNJ on April 20, 2009 at 3:24 PM
Obama…the propoganda tool of despots and tyrants.
Wyznowski on April 20, 2009 at 3:24 PM
Umm, wow.
YYZ on April 20, 2009 at 3:24 PM
I believe he is very tolerant of America haters. I mean really, look who he associated himself with which didn’t seem to matter.
deidre on April 20, 2009 at 3:24 PM
Nothing was achieved posing with Hugo. Barry should’ve skipped it. He definitely should’ve put Ortega in his place. Of course, Barry’s a babe in the woods, especially when it comes to foreign policy.
Christien on April 20, 2009 at 3:24 PM
+1000 Best comment of the day
gatorboy on April 20, 2009 at 3:24 PM
A cooly correct handshake wouldn’t have been so bad, but this was a warm handshake with Obama using his left hand to grasp Evil Clown’s arm. It was brief, but he didn’t have to be so cordial.
juliesa on April 20, 2009 at 3:25 PM
Fun for me, don’t know about you…
RepubChica on April 20, 2009 at 3:25 PM
Until I see evidence otherwise, I’m going to assume Obama agrees with Chavez and Ortega that America is evil. This was no gaffe, this is who Obama is.
zmdavid on April 20, 2009 at 3:26 PM
I can’t follow your circular argument.. seems to me that Obama is the evil clown, but now there are two evil clowns, and when they meet, what is the proper evil clown meets evil clown greeting? I’m soooo confused… Maybe I can get a job in the administration.
gatorboy on April 20, 2009 at 3:27 PM
Why must you ask such tough questions!? My cerebal answer…is yes. If Hussein had ‘punched’ him, how could Hussein’s Socialist-Marxist-Communist agenda have moved forward? Besides. if he did ‘punch’ Chavez…he would have gotten “b!tch-slapped.
JoeySlippers on April 20, 2009 at 3:28 PM
Another reason why Obama should have distanced himself from Ortega: a few years back, Ortega was found guilty in a Nicaraguan civil court for raping and sexually molesting his own step-daughter.
DubiousD on April 20, 2009 at 3:29 PM
And the book.
hawkdriver on April 20, 2009 at 3:30 PM
gatorboy:
Chavez was called the evil clown long before Obama came along.
Terrye on April 20, 2009 at 3:30 PM
It is just amazing how much time and money and energy is put into these ridiculous gatherings. No one cares about them.
Terrye on April 20, 2009 at 3:32 PM
Handshakes pale in comparison to releasing the TS CIA memos and this comment from Rahm about them:
“One of the reasons the president was willing to let this information out was that already the information was out,” Emanuel said Sunday.
This is atrocious. I guess causing grave damage to national security means little to the COS.
Otis B on April 20, 2009 at 3:32 PM
BO is a clueless moron. Of course that buddy buddy stuff will be used by Chavez to improve his image in his country, while at the same time making his citizens lives more miserable by the day. BO is on a world tour to make personal friends, vilify Bush on a world stage and appease his moonbat followers that would love to see our role as the leader of the free world falter. This is becoming more pathetic by the hour.
David in ATL on April 20, 2009 at 3:33 PM
He’s a Rev. Wright disciple vacationing in T & T on the Government’s dime with no teleprompter. Are you surprised?
GrahamCracker on April 20, 2009 at 3:33 PM
Yeah, since I don’t remember libtards EVER overreacting about Donald Rumsfeld, not even President, shaking hands with Saddam in the 80s when Iran was the bigger enemy, I guess we should let this slide.
/sarcasm
Speedwagon82 on April 20, 2009 at 3:33 PM
The handshake was a standard gesture whenever foreign leaders meet. I’m more annoyed that he posed with him smiling, which was a symbol of friendship, as well as refusing to comment on the anti-American screed given to him as a gift, which was a slap in the face to all Americans.
MadisonConservative on April 20, 2009 at 3:34 PM
+1
Not upset at the handshake, am at the limp-wristed response to Ortega.
rbj on April 20, 2009 at 3:35 PM
This photo shows just how much of a
bromanceget-a-room lovefest it was.econavenger on April 20, 2009 at 3:35 PM
Liberals are applauding this behavior and Obama thinks he’s the best thing since sliced bread. It’s not going to change unless something enormous happens.
I even wonder if that’ll make a difference.
shick on April 20, 2009 at 3:36 PM
The Apologist-in-Chief defend his country? Bah.
This is the man who saw nothing wrong with “Goddamn America” until it started hurting him in the polls.
This is the man who bemoans our “flawed Constitution.”
This is the man who got his political introduction in the living room of Bill Ayers.
Is it his country at all?
hillbillyjim on April 20, 2009 at 3:37 PM
How many Democrats scolded Bush for saying nice things about Putin?
Skywise on April 20, 2009 at 3:37 PM
A handshake is one thing, but if the cameras had left the room, there would have been some stainage on that expensive kevlar suit.
cntrlfrk on April 20, 2009 at 3:38 PM
Caption from a photo on that page:
So now you libs are willing to use Hussein’s atrocities as evidence that he really was a bad guy?
Scrappy on April 20, 2009 at 3:39 PM
Well, if The Precendent doesn’t want to be blamed for something that happened before he was born (Bay of Pigs) then I don’t want to blamed for something that happened before I was born, namely, slavery.
Isn’t that fair?
ladyingray on April 20, 2009 at 3:20 PM
From a black guy here, I totally agree. Very fair. Definitely best comment. Free the white people! lol
youngO on April 20, 2009 at 3:39 PM
Hussein, Klinger and Teleprompter now addressing crowd over at CIA.
It’s a chucklefest.
fogw on April 20, 2009 at 3:39 PM
I don’t care that they shook hands, my problem is that they act like blood-brothers politically.
kybowexar on April 20, 2009 at 3:41 PM
Tomorrow’s WH explation today… “Obama was clearly discreetly checking the scores on his blackberry”
gatorboy on April 20, 2009 at 3:41 PM
Would Obama smile and say “Goodbye, my friend,” to a leader of the KKK? Leftists never met an anti-American dictator they didn’t like.
FreeThinkerNYC on April 20, 2009 at 3:42 PM
Shaking hands may have been something Obama was more or less “forced” into, maybe, but putting his hand on the tyrant’s shoulder was not.
MB4 on April 20, 2009 at 3:42 PM
A cooly correct handshake is one thing. The ol’ Revolutionary Brothers Thumb-grip is a whole ‘nother thing.
Osama Obama clearly felt at home with the America-haters and Marxist thugs. Any thinking American — that excludes getajob, Drywall and the other trolls, of course — should find Obama’s actions loathsome.
Considering the scorn heaped on Bush for the slightest imagined “transgressions,” the child-president deserves no less in the way of treatment.
This is no reason to impeach him. We already have plenty of reasons to do that. Sadly, we also have a lefty lap-dog Congress full of criminals and fools.
MrScribbler on April 20, 2009 at 3:43 PM
how would you all behave when meeting a mentor?
Sheesh – this is a ‘first time at Yankee stadium’ experience for our young POtuS.
gatorboy on April 20, 2009 at 3:43 PM
At this point, shouldn’t we just be glad he isn’t joining in the anti-American rants? The man just finished an apology tour, explaining how horrible we used to be. No one here can possibly be surprised he didn’t defend us.
Esthier on April 20, 2009 at 3:44 PM
Everytime I hear The Precedent talk about “our values” (as he’s doing in his laughable address to the CIA) it makes me cringe. The guy is on the other side. Period.
progressoverpeace on April 20, 2009 at 3:44 PM
How could he? He looked and there was nothing on his teleprompter for him to say. Ergo, he said nothing.
Dingbat63 on April 20, 2009 at 3:45 PM
Yes he should be blamed. There are ways of avoiding these encounters. That is what your staff is for, they tell the other side in advance what the ground rules are. If Chavez breaks those rules, fine, then acknowledge him but then YOU MUST REBUKE HIM after the fact in your remarks.
Same with Ortega, I wouldn’t have blamed if he he had walked out and he should have. The obvious fact is that both of these dictators KNEW they could get away with this shit because Obama projects weakness and has even apologized for some of the nonsense they have brought up!
A strong president who made it clear in advance of what his views were on these 2 monsters would not have had that happen. The book should have been handed back to dip shit and his numerous attempts at photo ops rebuffed. He should have skipped the whole damn thing, citing their presence as the reason…
echosyst on April 20, 2009 at 3:45 PM
No more than we should have scolded Bush for shaking the hand of the Saudi King.
(Of course the left went ape squeezings when Bush did that.)
Shaking hands is one of those things polite people do when meeting. This was not the time to give an open insult to the troll from Venezuella.
MarkTheGreat on April 20, 2009 at 3:46 PM
Here’s why Obama should not have shaken Chavez’s hand.
Carl in Jerusalem on April 20, 2009 at 3:46 PM
yeah, he says “don’t be discouraged” to guys that are about to get shafted.
Otis B on April 20, 2009 at 3:47 PM
Heh. I got a kick out of that.
Esthier on April 20, 2009 at 3:48 PM
You have a pretty good site there, YO. Keep it current and expand.
hawkdriver on April 20, 2009 at 3:48 PM
I don’t know Ed. This is one of the first times I think I’ve not agreed with you completely.
I think palling around with Chavez is a big deal. Now I only read the comment that Obama made about Ortega’s speech, but if anyone else were to say what Obama said, I would see it as being a blowoff of the speech and almost an indirect scorn of the speech. Like some people say, if you don’t have anything nice to say, then don’t say anything at all, and that’s what it seemed like in the printed story.
Now either way, Obama was wrong on one of the two actions, trying to decide which one is just splitting hairs really.
MobileVideoEngineer on April 20, 2009 at 3:50 PM
thanks. I try to do what I can, I’m working on getting better at it. I’m in the oil&gas biz so that keeps me on my toes already. Obama’s trying to kill us.
youngO on April 20, 2009 at 3:50 PM
hawkdriver on April 20, 2009 at 3:48 PM
thanks. I try to do what I can, I’m working on getting better at it. I’m in the oil&gas biz so that keeps me on my toes already. Obama’s trying to kill us.
youngO on April 20, 2009 at 3:50 PM
youngO on April 20, 2009 at 3:51 PM
Well, thank goodness he did not bow to Chavez!
At least he kept it to a handshake and cuddles.
kybowexar on April 20, 2009 at 3:51 PM
The Precedent makes me sick. He’s a worm who doesn’t have a clue what America is about.
To the main thread discussion, The Precedent wanted to shake hands and be all smiley-face with the leftist dictators because he is one of them. He wants to turn the US into the old USSR and is looking to get all of the traditional Soviet allies to be his best friends, while sh!tting all over traditional US allies. This damage is so great that it is indescribable.
progressoverpeace on April 20, 2009 at 3:52 PM
You guys WOULD NOT SHUT UP about Rumsfeld and Saddam, so of course you think this is no big deal? Could you be any more disingenuous?
Speedwagon82 on April 20, 2009 at 3:55 PM
No joke. I imagine it’ll only get worse before it gets better. Sorry.
Esthier on April 20, 2009 at 3:55 PM
Yeah, well for short term we’re doing pretty good but long-term is the bad picture. We just figure we go overseas for business
youngO on April 20, 2009 at 3:57 PM
I think it will probably come through some hard lessons (and probably more hard economic times because of energy costs) but your field will survive. Even the liberals will come to the realization that the other technologies can’t produce the same rate of return yet. If you’re liking the business be patient and stick with it.
hawkdriver on April 20, 2009 at 3:59 PM
Chavez walked up to him and handed him the book. I don’t blame Obama for that. But I am bewildered by the geniuses who went straight to amazon.com to buy it.
YYZ on April 20, 2009 at 4:00 PM
Of course. And we’ll be finding out just how much in the next four years.
Esthier on April 20, 2009 at 4:00 PM
I just find Hannity really, really predictable, that’s all.
YYZ on April 20, 2009 at 4:01 PM
hawkdriver on April 20, 2009 at 3:59 PM
The funny thing is, I’m planning on moving to my specific-degree-industry which is investment management. God save me from this administration
youngO on April 20, 2009 at 4:04 PM
Rumsfeld was not the President of the United States when he met with Saddam. He was an envoy and if the left had anything to say about it, Saddam and Barack would probably be preparing for the Hussein family reunion today…so jabs at Rumsfeld seem a bit out of place.
I do remember Chirac giving Saddam a hug and calling him a close personal friend. But he is French and thus immune to the wrath of the left.
Terrye on April 20, 2009 at 4:04 PM
Bush shouldn’t have held hands with the Saudi either, I cringe every time I see that pic. I think most people on the right are consistent on this issue. Bush also didn’t do a worldwide tour apologizing for his country and trashing his predecessors.
echosyst on April 20, 2009 at 4:08 PM
thankfully most americans are not so insecure that they would ponder this question.
sesquipedalian on April 20, 2009 at 4:08 PM
No, we should scold Obama for kissing Chavez’ ass.
antoniojvr on April 20, 2009 at 4:12 PM
this is a pretty passionate issue for me and my family, but over the weekend, the entire family seemed to agree that there is no significance here… obama truly doesn’t care about chavez… obama is just a guy, with no real political/international experience, shaking hands with a megalomaniac… haha.
thedude on April 20, 2009 at 4:16 PM
Because Obama was probably nodding in agreement the whole time. Soft as a baby’s butt.
kirkill on April 20, 2009 at 4:16 PM
I think it’s just as bad, if not worse. The King of Saudi Arabia is at least an ally of sorts.
It would have been one thing for Obama to solemnly shake Hugo’s hand, but Barack looked like he was meeting his long lost best friend (or fellow traveler). It’s becoming clear that Barry is friendlier to the enemy than he is to Americans who didn’t vote for him.
Buy Danish on April 20, 2009 at 4:19 PM
YO that can’t be your real photo on your website, right? We were told by Axelrod and all his MSM/Hollywood flunkies and astroturfers that the tea parties were only for old, ignorant, white, redneck bigots who just can’t stand the idea of a black guy being president.
So who are you, really? A Republican party operative? A paid Fox News plant? A tanning bed addict? C’mon, YO, ‘fess up. We all know young, black, well-educated, middle-class guys don’t give a damn about onerous taxes or out-of-control government spending. Axelrod and Roesgen and Garafalo told us so — and we know they’re right because they’re experts on everything.
So tell us who you really are, YO. You’re not fooling us!
AZCoyote on April 20, 2009 at 4:24 PM
I think you’ll survive. I also think you’re exactly what a revival of true Conservatism requires in these times. Be vocal and never accept anything like what the left has made of Conservatism as a cliche to be the norm, or something to look the other way from. Where things exist that are an antipathy to true Conservatism, help get rid of it.
hawkdriver on April 20, 2009 at 4:25 PM
AZCoyote on April 20, 2009 at 4:24 PM
Ok, I’ll fess up. I’m a young hack for Fox News and the Republican Party (which I find distasteful). Hah! Those Obama stoogies love to put people in a box. Some of us have decided to think for ourselves. I just wish there were more of us…hopefully, with time.
youngO on April 20, 2009 at 4:31 PM
i whole-heartedly agree… i did a bit of that this weekend with a troop of obama-defenders at a cook-out. it got a little heated, but stayed respectful. it is mind-blowing how committed to the hype they are, and the looks on their faces when their ideas are challenged and proven wrong. i rather enjoyed it, so be it… conservatism has to be defended against “crisis, crisis, crisis, crisis”
thedude on April 20, 2009 at 4:33 PM
Handshake — if it was “against protocol” (of which I know very little), then he shouldn’t have done it. However, if you’re in a room with a famous guy and he comes up to greet you and the cameras are snapping — then it would certainly put you on the spot. Nevertheless, O’s handlers should have anticipated the situation (how could they have not?!?) and planned for it better. Yet another example of the inexperience of both O and his underlings biting him and the USA in the rear.
Book — like someone else said, you can’t blame O for taking it when it was shoved under his nose. He should have repudiated it later, though, after its identity was revealed.
Ortega rant — If O says nothing about this, then his reputation as Wimp-in-Chief will only be increased. Shameful!
KS Rex on April 20, 2009 at 4:34 PM
The “news source of choice” for most libs is CNN, which gave Saddam’s atrocities a pass for over a decade, solely so they could keep their precious Baghdad office open. The “network” even showered the Hussein family with gifts.
The funny thing about them getting their getalifes in a bunch over Rumsfeld’s shaking hands with Hussein is the fact that in reality, the US hardly sold him any military stuff at all. Basically some “light helicopters”. Even wiki is forced to admit that.
Del Dolemonte on April 20, 2009 at 4:34 PM
We should criticize Obama for anything and everything he does.
The media won’t do it for us…
bluelightbrigade on April 20, 2009 at 4:35 PM
hawkdriver on April 20, 2009 at 4:25 PM
Thanks for the kind words. I’m very bullish on the future of America but count me bearish on the short term with Obama and his peeps running things. You can almost say the same thing about the stock market.
youngO on April 20, 2009 at 4:35 PM
Let’s not forget that O’bama’s friend Joe Kennedy has been doing more than just shaking hands with Chavez for years.
Del Dolemonte on April 20, 2009 at 4:36 PM
Not for merely shaking his hand, no.
But for the ghetto grip style handshake and barely restraining himself from doing a lip lock with his fellow Marxist devotee; Yes. Yes indeed.
LegendHasIt on April 20, 2009 at 4:41 PM
Sometimes….. I wish that we had the head of the nation playing for our side.
jukin on April 20, 2009 at 4:45 PM
FACETIME on the campaign trail.
omnipotent on April 20, 2009 at 4:46 PM
Are you joking?! That shit eating grin Oslime-a was sporting was absolutely disgusting!
csdeven on April 20, 2009 at 4:48 PM
And I mean within our own ranks too. When you see the things the left characterizes us about actually maifesting itself, help get rid of that too.
hawkdriver on April 20, 2009 at 4:48 PM
The donkey shit eating fool reveals his ignorance again……
Obama pals around with domestic terrorists, attended church pastored by an America hating, whitey hating black supremist, and married a militant whitey hating racist.
Nuff said.
csdeven on April 20, 2009 at 4:52 PM
Bless you. And please, like hawkdriver says, stay active and vocal. We (and by that I mean conservatives/capitalists, not Republicans — which I am not, either) need to have smart young people like you helping to lead the way.
AZCoyote on April 20, 2009 at 4:53 PM
I don’t care about the handshake, the book, or the fact that he did not walk out of the idiotic speech that Ortega made, although he probably should have walked out, or at least made remarks to the press that refuted it.
What I care about is the fact that this President thinks that he can “talk” to our enemies, and because he is the “one”, they will simply no longer want to kill us or harm our nation. I think he believes that they are like the American press, so charmed and blinded by our furthest left president in history, that they will simply do as he wills, because he is so “smart” and charming.
That is going to get Americans killed, and harm our great country.
kam582 on April 20, 2009 at 4:54 PM
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