Obama on Chavez’s book: “I think it was a nice gesture”
posted at 7:37 pm on April 19, 2009 by Allahpundit
No, it wasn’t a “nice gesture,” as The One very well knows. It was a cheap stunt designed to put him on the spot so that Chavez can crow when he gets home about having confronted los Yanquis with evidence of their imperialist crimes. Obama can’t call him out, though, lest our precious nascent “dialogue” with Venezuela be jeopardized, so he’s forced to swallow hard and play the stooge. Good work, Barry. Note too the vague, politic rhetoric to describe Chavez’s long history of evil clownishness. If you’re not sure what he means by “interference” that’s a “source of concern,” let me spell it out: He’s talking about funding Marxist terrorists who’ve held Americans hostage for years on end. Mentioning that might spoil the dialogue, too.
As for his point that talking to Venezuela doesn’t hurt American strategic interests, that might be true or it might not — John Ensign, for one, seems to disagree, and we’ll have to see how the detente plays in South America — but Bush holding hands with the Wahhabi king wasn’t exactly a clear and present danger to the U.S. either and that fact didn’t seem to console the left (or right). It’s not a question of jeopardizing national security, it’s a question of conferring legitimacy upon a cretin who, in a just world, would be radioactively illegitimate. If Obama’s going to do that, the least he can do is not play dumb about it.
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You know, trolls are always annoying, but at least they usually attempt to debate at least on some level. This getalife character just throws these ridiculous bumper sticker/cheer leading lines. Does it even understand how ridiculous it sounds? Whoever is bankrolling its trolling should find a new one.
RightWinged on April 19, 2009 at 8:29 PM
This is what you get when you American Idol the US Presidency!
All you f*cking morons who voted for him should all be ashamed of yourselves.
BillaryMcBush on April 19, 2009 at 8:30 PM
Next, Iran’s President AckMyDumbJihad will present The One with a copy of Mein Kampf.
jgapinoy on April 19, 2009 at 8:30 PM
No……… No…….. No………
……. time to be strong. Try responding to “anonymous” if you really feel you have to.
We have taken the pledge……
………… no feeding.
Seven Percent Solution on April 19, 2009 at 8:31 PM
We must be strong………..
……… think of “it” as an unpleasant smell left in a public rest room.
Go about your business…….
………. and try not to add to it.
Seven Percent Solution on April 19, 2009 at 8:32 PM
Allow me to give you the answer, as I see it.
The GOP is so divided it couldn’t win a pissing contest right now with a bunch of kindergartners in a sandbox on the play ground, hell they would steal your lunch money. All you have to do is read the comments here and on other blogs. One group wants this, another group wants that, and then still some other group wants something else and everyone is calling everyone else names and talking sh*t about them instead of working together. Hell, I could run against the GOP and win with Marlboro in one hand and a Bud in the other.
It’s time to work together and put this silly, I don’t like you so I’m going to take my toys and not play, sh*t away, if not we will get people worse than Bullwinkle Obama in the WH for many years to come.
I am damn near 60 years old, a disabled Vet and a conservative, am I the only one that sees this?
That is my answer, now you all can take a dump on me, I’m a big boy, I can take it.
Fire away children.
Old Hippie Vet on April 19, 2009 at 8:34 PM
Add to the payers bad bargain by ignoring.
Cindy Munford on April 19, 2009 at 8:35 PM
Obama seems to think he can do better than Neville Chamberlain.
So does this new cooperation mean not dissing Uribe again? Or does it just mean being all friendly with a clownish thugh?
aikidoka on April 19, 2009 at 8:36 PM
Wow thats got to be some darn good crack.
getalife…when you run out, get your Obama fix here! Its perfect for you!
BillaryMcBush on April 19, 2009 at 8:36 PM
A-S-S-C-L-O-W-N.
JeffinOrlando on April 19, 2009 at 8:38 PM
How in the friggin world did that dips–t ever get
past first grade ? MUCH less win the last election
with such ease. . .We Are So Screwed .
Texyank on April 19, 2009 at 8:39 PM
TownBloghall democracy in action versus Flower Power.MB4 on April 19, 2009 at 8:39 PM
RightWinged on April 19, 2009 at 8:29 PM
Do you realize how ridiculios cons sound attacking our President’s every move?
Most of America does not agree with you cons.
Perhaps you should wait until he actually screws up.
Crying wolf all the time will get you ignored.
getalife on April 19, 2009 at 8:40 PM
I’m unwilling to get my panties in a twist because Obama shook the cretin’s hand and took the book handed to him. Heck, I still hold out my hand when my g-kids put their candy wrappers in it. It’s a reflex. At least Obama didn’t bow and scrape like he did to the Saudi king.
Hugo is an insufferable socialist thug, but, once diplomatically committed to the meeting, there was no good reason for Obama to rudely brush Chavez off or ignore him. Simple courtesy is just simple courtesy.
It’s what Obama does in the follow up that seems pivotal to me.
marybel on April 19, 2009 at 8:40 PM
One of the Miss USA finalists just got cheers for answering “no” on a question about bailing out companies with tax payer money. Sadly, I suspect most of those who cheered are unaware of what’s going on.
Wow… Perez Hilton is an f-ing judge? He just asked about gay marriage and Ms. California hemmed and hawed but then said that for her, and in her family, marriage is between a man and woman, and she got decent applause too.
RightWinged on April 19, 2009 at 8:41 PM
Here we have millions of people in Latin America who are pro-West and pro-US seeing the President of the United States extend legitimacy to thugs and cretins that wish to slaughter them.
That has got to be devastating.
It’s one thing to talk with a Chavez or Castro. Fine.
But at the very least promote US interests and US values when doing so.
Conversations are not one-way communications where one party gets to talk and the other just listens. The President needs to point out where we are right and they are wrong.
He doesn’t seem to understand that this is a battle of ideas and that his words and actions aren’t just being watched by Chavez or Castro. They’re being watched by others.
Get in the game Mr. President.
SteveMG on April 19, 2009 at 8:42 PM
Wow, an adult in the room.
Well said.
getalife on April 19, 2009 at 8:43 PM
getalife:
How is he going to free Cuba? Is he going to do a little regime change down there?
You are such an a** kisser.
The truth is Obama probably wants a new home for the folks at Gitmo and figures that the prisons of folks like Castro and Chavez would fit the bill. After all, the lefties really do not give a damn how many people these guys lock up, torture and kill.
So far all I have seen from Obama is one long groveling, simpering, pandering, fawning performance in which he has managed to shame and embarrass his country while giving credibility to dictators.
gag me.
Terrye on April 19, 2009 at 8:43 PM
You talking stupid all the time should get you ignored.
mantis on April 19, 2009 at 8:43 PM
and
also a copy of his very own 1st edition and autographed novel Proof that the Holocaust never happened and why it was a good thing even if it did
MB4 on April 19, 2009 at 8:44 PM
There is a middle ground between letting Chavez and Ortega walk all over you and your country and slapping them around.
Good, go talk with them. Shake hands and do the act for the cameras.
But talk about how the US’s values and ideas are better than their ideas.
Defend our system against theirs.
SteveMG on April 19, 2009 at 8:44 PM
getalife:
An adult in the room? I guess that means you are standing outside. You know something? four years the Democrats were right where the Democrats are now, don’t get too cocky.
If anything can unite conservatives and Republicans, it is Barack Obama..and I don’t mean that in a way that you might like.
Terrye on April 19, 2009 at 8:44 PM
Believe me, I don’t have nearly enough time to attack his every move. It would be a full time job.
As for what “most of America” thinks… you’re an idiot. Most of the country has been lied to. They didn’t vote for the socialist we got, they voted for the media created celebrity with ZERO experience. Now we’re on the hook for $80 trillion and his only plans are to make it worse.
I know in idiotland you guys can’t grasp what’s really happening, but it’s not good news. He is literally destroying this country, deliberately, to the point it will be unrecognizable and nothing like the founders envisioned.
RightWinged on April 19, 2009 at 8:45 PM
Preview is such a bother….I meant to say that the Democrats were where the Republicans are now.
I have got to stop reading getalife’s little missives, he annoys me so much I don’t read what I write.
Terrye on April 19, 2009 at 8:46 PM
Wow. I couldn’t agree more. This man’s obsession with treating the world like a kindergarten class is going to blow up in his (our!) face.
FuriousAmerican on April 19, 2009 at 8:47 PM
Yeah, it’s like the 4-year old that keeps asking you, “But why?
But why? But why?
SteveMG on April 19, 2009 at 8:47 PM
As bad as Chavez is, if we were to reverse presidents with Venezuela it would be a move to the right for us.
MaiDee on April 19, 2009 at 8:48 PM
And attacking everything Bush did, did not hurt the Democrats. Even when Bush had high ratings the Democrats still accused the man of anything and everything they could invent, lie about or concoct…and it paid off for them in the end in away.
So, I would say that attacking Obama is fair game. After all, there is no need to lie about the man. He really does look as ridiculous as a lot of conservatives say he is. No need to lie or concoct anything.
Terrye on April 19, 2009 at 8:48 PM
This guy is so ignorant of how the world really works it’s mind boggling. You’re the damn president, start acting like it.
therightwinger on April 19, 2009 at 8:48 PM
It’s in Spanish right? To the best of my knowledge, Obama can’t speak nor read Spanish.
Maybe he should go to Texas. I’m sure George W could probably read it to him. Since he can.
Then Obama can learn “muchos Gracias.”
mjk on April 19, 2009 at 8:48 PM
/FIFY
Immolate on April 19, 2009 at 8:49 PM
SteveMG:
Or who says did too did not did too did not….
Terrye on April 19, 2009 at 8:49 PM
All he wants is a reaction. Not worth the frustration. For him, ignorance really is halucinatory bliss with unicorns, rainbows, and Chavez and O holding hands singing kumbaya. Don’t give him what he wants.
XWing5 on April 19, 2009 at 8:50 PM
getalife on April 19, 2009 at 8:43 PM
You are the idiot in the room. Bold and indoctrinated does no make you credible. Showing up here to fling your tripe does not make you anything less than pathetic.
old trooper2 on April 19, 2009 at 8:52 PM
XWing5:
You are right of course.
Terrye on April 19, 2009 at 8:53 PM
I’m with you brother. See ya’ll at the next “tea party”
vulcannomad on April 19, 2009 at 8:53 PM
If I were convinced that the President was going to use all of this international capital he’s accruing to promote US interests and freedom and democracy, I’d be willing to give him the benefit here.
But he seems to think that “nice talk” by itself will somehow alter the worldviews of the Chavezs and Castros and other anti-American radicals.
These are people driven by self-interest and power and nice words and gestures will not assuage them.
I hope the President understands this. I think he does.
But man, I’d like to see a little more backbone.
SteveMG on April 19, 2009 at 8:53 PM
Our President has changed the game moving forward in the 21st century. Cons are stuck in the last century.
Well done sir.
getalife on April 19, 2009 at 8:54 PM
“I think it was a nice gesture”
Bwaahahahaha ! Obama, the colossal, terminal naif.
petefrt on April 19, 2009 at 8:55 PM
This makes more sense than anything I’ve read on HA in a long time.
Thank you, sir.
Right_of_Attila on April 19, 2009 at 8:56 PM
Obama in charge.
Cuba will be free again.
Cuba libre, yes?
letalife
carbon_footprint on April 19, 2009 at 8:56 PM
Good Lord this GetaLife guy really idolizes the President…
therightwinger on April 19, 2009 at 8:56 PM
In California Sean Penn is smiling :) His two favorite Presidentes.
BJ* on April 19, 2009 at 8:57 PM
The thing that annoys me the most about Obama and all this grinning and handshaking going on in Latin America, is that you know those people do not give a damn about their people. They are corrupt, they live in a feudalistic culture and they do not care about real reform…they just want to keep doing what they have always done and blame the gringo.
There were established settlements in South and Central America centuries before the Pilgrims landed at Plymouth Rock. There were European style capitols in Latin America when the US won its independence..and yet somehow nothing is their fault or their responsibility.
Well one thing is for sure, Ortega and Chavez do not have to worry about Americans sneaking across their borders to get jobs washing dishes and picking fruit.
Terrye on April 19, 2009 at 8:57 PM
Old Hippie Vet:
I agree.
Terrye on April 19, 2009 at 8:58 PM
Getalife’s pointless life is so low that all other lots getalife envies. Fame of getalife the world hath none; logic and wisdom both scorn getalife. Ignore getalife, look ahead and pass getalife by.
Tav on April 19, 2009 at 8:59 PM
SteveMG on April 19, 2009 at 8:53 PM
You ain’t just whistling Dixie. All Obama has done with the European Tour and the Latin American tour is convince the rest of the world that we have a spineless, weak, inexperienced, and naive President. All these countries, friends and enemies alike, are laughing at us because of President Pantywaist. He and his minions are trying furiously to spin this, but it is all out there on video for everyone to see.
kingsjester on April 19, 2009 at 8:59 PM
therightwinger on April 19, 2009 at 8:56 PM
No, but he is doing a great job so far.
I like progress and moving forward.
getalife on April 19, 2009 at 8:59 PM
Seriously, you are insane or paid to come here and lower the discourse. Again, all you do is cheer lead and post bumper sticker-ish type comments.
Nothing in the article is news to anyone, nor does it support your comments that followed.
How was the game changed “moving forward”? You mean by giving huge pieces of propaganda to people who hate us?
RightWinged on April 19, 2009 at 8:59 PM
Now this is silly…How much they paying you?
therightwinger on April 19, 2009 at 9:01 PM
Caption:
And when I pull the strings this way, his ears wiggle!
Loxodonta on April 19, 2009 at 9:02 PM
Obama, Chavez
Better friends have never been
Adults are in charge
carbon_footprint on April 19, 2009 at 9:03 PM
RightWinged on April 19, 2009 at 8:59 PM
Sorry, but the hate is coming from the cons.
Let it go and move forward with the rest of the world cons.
Adults are in charge.
It will be okay.
getalife on April 19, 2009 at 9:03 PM
The light you see at the end of the tunnel, getaclue? It’s a train!
Murphy9 on April 19, 2009 at 9:03 PM
And people wonder why trolls keep showing up………..
………. when they keep feeding them.
Seven Percent Solution on April 19, 2009 at 9:04 PM
Yes, the Cuban and Iranian and Venezuelan people are much closer to democracy and freedom now because the President smiles and shakes the hands of the thugs running these countries.
Only an idiot believes this (see above).
I hope – and believe (but it’s fading) – that the President isn’t this naive to think that his nice words and cordiality is going to change the views of these thugs.
He can’t be this gullible.
SteveMG on April 19, 2009 at 9:05 PM
Our astute Potus.
maverick muse on April 19, 2009 at 9:05 PM
Who are these adults you speak of? Pelosi…Biden? Obama? Some real juggernauts there..
therightwinger on April 19, 2009 at 9:06 PM
If only you would ignore us and just buzz off. Everytime this nitwit president goes off the rails, his internet army of ants marches to lockstep on every blog with their idiotic rantings telling us how great this smug fraud of a president is. Here’s a tip – you don’t have to bother. He doesn’t waste an opportunity to let the world know that time began at Obama A.D.
KickandSwimMom on April 19, 2009 at 9:07 PM
Obama celebrates Mexico! The past week was like like Cinco de Mayo Day all over the world, with Obama having made the USA the Pinata for any to bash for candy.
petefrt on April 19, 2009 at 9:09 PM
As for anger, tell it to all the Democrats who can not manage to sit aside the hate they have been spewing for the last 8 years. They won, and still they hate.
I guess it is just a way of life for some people.
Terrye on April 19, 2009 at 9:09 PM
Back to savagely beating my head against a cinderblock.
blatantblue on April 19, 2009 at 9:09 PM
Scrape all nuclear weapons.
Replace all nuclear power plants with windmills.
Replace all capitalist American Doctors and Nurses with socialist ones from Russia, Venezuela and Cuba.
Return the statue of imperialist Winston Churchill to colonialist England.
Require all Americans to learn Spanish so they can read my amigo, man of the people, Hugo’s wonderful book.
Ban all Tea Parties.
Adults are in charge.
Don’t worry, be happy.
It will be okay.
MB4 on April 19, 2009 at 9:10 PM
getabowelmovement is not at all afraid to admit that she voted for O’bama in November of 2008, yet is deathly afraid to admit that she voted for a male gigolo for President in 2004.
You go, girl!
Del Dolemonte on April 19, 2009 at 9:12 PM
Allahpundit, thanks for posting this and expressing your anger. The president’s behavior on this visit has been outrageous, his explanation is infuriating, and he posed a challenge to his MSM followers present that apparently none of them could field. I bet Hot Air posters can.
How could Obama’s interaction with Hugo Chavez damage US interests?
My first thought: Obama’s demure response to Chavez could embolden Hugo and other enemies of the US to take even harsher measures against the US, hoping that the US will demure again.
Loxodonta on April 19, 2009 at 9:14 PM
What progress have we seen thus far? Has Castro decided to stop being a dictator? No. Has Chavez stopped exploiting the poverty of his own people? No. Has North Korea behaved itself? No. Has Russia decided to help us with Iran? No. Has Iran decided to stop pursuing nukes? No. Has Pakistan stabilized and brought Islamic extremism under control? No. Has piracy stopped? No. Has the economy begun to recover? No. Have we devised a way to pay back the crippling debt this moron wants to dump on us? No. Has the UN stopped pandering to dictators and taking our money? No.
I can’t think of much of anything Obama has done but play the celebrity president who smiles for the cameras while anti Americans either laugh at him or treat him like he won a beauty contest.
He is a joke.
Terrye on April 19, 2009 at 9:15 PM
If I were getalife I would stay here forever…he is the most responded to poster…he rules the site..he pulls the strings…he is successful… We see to it…
CCRWM on April 19, 2009 at 9:15 PM
Aha. Aha. Raising the bar an inch when he and his were responsible for dropping it in the first place.
Obama Franks Waters LLC — destroyers of the world economy.
unclesmrgol on April 19, 2009 at 9:15 PM
After w, it will not take much.
Family Guy is hilarious tonight.
getalife on April 19, 2009 at 9:18 PM
I still think getalife might be Michelle Malkin just trying to get a reaction. It is almost parody when you think about it. Totally unhinged.
Terrye on April 19, 2009 at 9:18 PM
You are so smart.
blatantblue on April 19, 2009 at 9:19 PM
If I were getalife I would stay here forever…he is the most responded to poster…he rules the site..he pulls the strings…he is successful… We see to it…
CCRWM on April 19, 2009 at 9:15 PM
Thank you.
getalife on April 19, 2009 at 9:19 PM
Getalife: these are my last words to you:
You have 10 years for Cuba to be free or I’m declaring Obama a miserable failure.
And I’ll give Obama the chance you never gave bush.
Now to the rest of the boards:
Stop feeding the trolls plz!
Chaz706 on April 19, 2009 at 9:22 PM
More bumper sticker BS, no actual arguments or reaction to anything anyone has said. You’re pathetic.
RightWinged on April 19, 2009 at 9:23 PM
getalife
I want to thank you. I like what you do here. You give people fire in their bellies. You get them worked up. You get them mad! You are EXACTLY what the conservatives need! We need to start showing the kind of hot bellied emotion and anger that you are able to stir in us.
So, from the bottom of my heart, THANK YOU! Keep doing what you do, and hopefully conservatives will act on the emotion you stir up in them, whether it be at tea parties, or political rallies, or anywhere else that people gather. You get us pissed off, and we will spread the word to all that will listen!
fumpbump on April 19, 2009 at 9:28 PM
Obama: …”The American people did not buy it.”
I am an American “people” and I think receiving Chavez the way you did has embarrassed you and the USA.
Obama: “They own CITGO.”
And how did “They” come to own CITGO and what does that have to do with anything? Is Obama saying that we have to kiss their ass because they have oil?
I have news for you.
WE have oil too. we just won’t drill for it!!!!
Too frigging lame…
AnthonyK on April 19, 2009 at 9:29 PM
Yeah, it is tough arguing against a patriotic American supporting our President.
Have a great evening.
getalife on April 19, 2009 at 9:29 PM
He’s so sassy!
/Hartman
JohnJ on April 19, 2009 at 9:31 PM
gagamaggot is just Karl Rove playing reverse psychology games in his semi-retirement.
Magnificent Machiavellian bastard!
profitsbeard on April 19, 2009 at 9:33 PM
Yeah, my favorite so far is her assertion that the economy has already been saved/fixed. Obama’s policies? They worked! It’s already happened!
Kensington on April 19, 2009 at 9:37 PM
If there weren’t so much at stake, Obama would be funny. Unfortunately, he has done a lot. How is our country going to afford to defend itself while paying back a mountain of Obama’s debt?
Loxodonta on April 19, 2009 at 9:38 PM
Whatever medication you are on that reduces your expression of thought to three words at a time….do a google search for the LD50, multiply that by two, then ingest it.
daesleeper on April 19, 2009 at 9:40 PM
You get back to my quandary. Is Obama dangerously naive, inexperienced and incompetent? Or, is he dangerously anti-American and left-wing?
I don’t know yet. I just know he is dangerous.
Loxodonta on April 19, 2009 at 9:42 PM
Marxist Mutual Masturbation Marathon!!!!
WoooooWeeeee!!!!
hillbillyjim on April 19, 2009 at 9:43 PM
Well, I’ve done my part. I’ll check in after a while and see if anybody else can.
Loxodonta on April 19, 2009 at 9:44 PM
He is not stupid, he is not naive, he is not idealistic and he is not Carter. He is worse, he is evil.
califdreamnred on April 19, 2009 at 9:45 PM
And once again it will be a nice gesture. I bet Obama is really regretting giving Gordon all seasons of the Golden Girls when he could have given him some valuable literature…
Upstater85 on April 19, 2009 at 9:46 PM
Somehow you need to take out the US of KKK and replace it with the US of MMMM … At least Rev. Wright would be happy. He could be the circle boss.
Upstater85 on April 19, 2009 at 9:48 PM
While in other news: Pick-pocketing president caught red-handed with the wallet of the American people and plays it off!
youtube link
doctor horton on April 19, 2009 at 9:48 PM
I’ll admit, it’s difficult to support a president… a president who doesn’t support our country and its values, and is actively, and deliberately, trying to destroy it.
RightWinged on April 19, 2009 at 9:49 PM
I understand Obama wants to win an award for World’s Nicest Guy. Fine. Lofty ambition. But to call this book a “nice gesture” dilutes the meaning of the word nice. If the book is a nice gesture, then a weird kind of relativism has just been thrown down on foreign policy. Obama doesn’t know what to say to it or how to react, because he’s inexperienced. But in the effort to disguise the inexperience something worse is happening. We’re being asked to suspend all interpretation about what Chavez has done. And that’s not right.
tartan on April 19, 2009 at 9:53 PM
Obama is trying to peddle the false notion that American influence in world affairs is a bad thing. Our government should be in the business of ensuring America’s success and America’s future along with the security and opportunity of her people, not in the business of trying to make friends and garner popularity overseas for its own sake.
It seems that everything he has done to date, and every item on his agenda, is calculated to leave America broke, weakened , vulnerable economically and militarily, and less influential in the wider world.
hillbillyjim on April 19, 2009 at 9:54 PM
You saved me a lot of time and embarrassment.
Jaibones on April 19, 2009 at 10:01 PM
Huh?
Loxodonta on April 19, 2009 at 10:06 PM
You still here?
Loxodonta on April 19, 2009 at 10:07 PM
I’m hoping – against hope perhaps – that there’s a larger goal behind this nice face and friendly approach. That is, the President believes that by removing the image (unfair to be sure) of the US as the “bad guy” that the pressure will be shifted away from us and onto these regimes to change their behavior. That the Chavezs and Castros can’t blame the “evil America” anymore for their repressive policies.
But that assumes that world opinion – if it can be changed – will have an affect on these regimes.
If these rulers don’t care about the opinions of their own people, why would they be concerned about outsiders?
It also assumes that world opinion gives a hoot about these regimes either.
He’s taking quite a gamble.
SteveMG on April 19, 2009 at 10:09 PM
getalife on April 19, 2009 at 8:40 PM
All politics aside. Do you have a life? I have visited this site 3 times over the weekend for an average of 20 minutes each time and you have been here each time. A review of posts indicates you have nothing else going on. You should really get out in the sun light and develop some relationships with real people. No wonder you sound so ignorant when your whole existence is visiting left wing websites and cutting and pasting the talking points. Talk to some actual living and breathing people face to face who may be able to broaden your horizons. I feel so bad for you.
church on April 19, 2009 at 10:10 PM
It does seem that way, doesn’t it?
I just don’t know yet whether this is because Obama is dangerously naive, inexperienced, incompetent, anti-American, left-wing or a mixture of all of them.
Whatever he is, whatever his intentions, the consequences do not seem good for our country.
Loxodonta on April 19, 2009 at 10:10 PM
Yeah, but I’m more on the TEXAS thread… getalife is trolling over there ;)
Upstater85 on April 19, 2009 at 10:12 PM
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